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If God wanted more money in His house, why did Jesus do what He did in the House of God?

"And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the MONEY changers… and said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves" (Matt. 21:12-13).

The old questions again

What is the real message of Malachi’s prophecy for believers today?

Did Paul finance his international ministry through the tithing system?

Is there even one example of Christians paying tithes in the Bible?

Why did Jesus not pay tithes or the Temple tax commanded by the Law of Moses?

Will you or anyone be "cursed with a curse" for not tithing?

Start another topic on giving

bari_kade:
@Hnd-holder,


what actually justifies the argument in favour of any other type of giving at all in the NT?

If it is in engineering. Nigerian HND can be allowed into Masters 1&2 at Cranfield University (silsoe). But Engineering Technology program is diffrent from Engineering in course content. You will need a PGD to cross to another field.

Somebody here must be feeding fat on the so called tithe. They will do everything possible to maintain their stand.

bari_kade:
When I read seasoned arguments addressing these issues, perhaps then I would be in a better position to share what we all have been missing.

Cheers.

I hope it will not be too late then if by now you can not keep to the right lane. " Another seat and look style"

God will first give to Jacob, Jacob will give God back a tenth

"The God Who makes the world and all that is in it, He, the Lord inherent of heaven and earth, is NOT dwelling in temples made by hands, " (Acts 17:24).

How then, under the New Covenant, does a believer give a tenth, when he is supposed to give his all
(Rom. 12:1), to a priesthood that does not exist, but now he himself is part of a priesthood (I Peter 2:9),
at a temple that does not exist (Mat. 24:1-2),
but rather he himself is the temple wherein God dwells.
No longer do we have priests with spiritual infirmities interceding for us, but rather we have Christ Jesus as our perfect intercessor and High Priest seated at the right hand of the Majesty in the heavens (Heb. 7:28-8:1).
At this time in history, Israel owes no tithe to anyone. And, of course, we who are a new creation and the true Israel of God--Gal. 6:16 were never instructed to tithe in the first place.

“Abraham went to war on behalf of Sodom (SODOM, mind you), to rescue his nephew, Lot. He then gave 10% of these spoils of war to Melchizedek, and allowed Sodom to keep 90%, while he himself kept NOTHING”

HND holders need not trade words with them. GRADUATES they call themselves but are they not full of empty pride? Why are they not Talking again. WE HND HOLDERS has won.

Because of the polyechnic's practical skill
that is one of the reason they hate the HND.
So that degree holders can come and do the practical work,
How many houses collapse last week? They are the work of degree holders

Jesus christ did not use tithe as a condition for miracles. He demanded for FAITH.

Unless you call it polytechnic university. Nigerian hates Polytechnic they call it senior Technical college. So let the Polytechnic die too.

Tithing is unscriptural under the New Covenant , Prophet Malachi was sent to the priests and nation of Israel not Nigerian "Wherein have we robbed Thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse….": "Will a man ROB God?"
Malachi 3
SOME SHOCKING TRUTHS ABOUT THE TITHING DOCTRINE
1. Abraham never tithed on his own personal property or livestock.
2. Jacob wouldn’t tithe until God blessed him first.
3. Only Levite priests could collect tithes, and there are no Levite priests today. 4. Only food products from the land were tithable.
5. Money was never a titheable commodity.
6. Christian converts were never asked to tithe anything to the Church.
7. Tithing in the Church first appears centuries after completion of the Bible.

Tithe War
From Wikipedia
The Tithe War in Ireland (1831-36) refers to a series of periodic skirmishes and violent incidents connected to resistance to the obligation of Catholics in Ireland to pay tithes for the upkeep of the Church of Ireland. The first clash of the Tithe war took place on 3 March 1831 in Graiguenamanagh, county Kilkenny when a force of 120 armed police forcibly took possession of cattle belonging to a Roman Catholic priest, in lieu of Tithes. He had, with the approval of his bishop, organised people to resist Tithe collection; his example soon spread, and shortly afterwards, in Bunclody, county Wexford, a crowd resisting the seizure of cattle was fired upon by the Constabulary, resulting in twelve deaths and twenty fatally wounded.

That is why we want HND dead in Nigeria

ANS THAT IS Why This Discrimination Between B.Sc & HND. Nigerian HND is equal or more than bachelor degrees
B.Tech,
BSc
B.Eng etc

Confusion in the house

This topic is "To Tithe or Not to Tithe?"

Do you mean to start new topic such as

bari_kade:
@Hnd-holder,

Biblical perspective on tithing and giving being argued for and against?

Governmental collection of religious offerings

Nigeria
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England
The right to receive tithes was granted to the English churches by King Ethelwulf in 855. The Saladin tithe was a royal tax, but assessed using ecclesiastical boundaries, in 1188. Tithes were given legal force by the Statute of Westminster of 1285. Adam Smith criticised the system in The Wealth of Nations (1776), arguing that a fixed rent would encourage peasants to farm more efficiently. The Dissolution of the Monasteries led to the transfer of many tithe rights from the Church to secular landowners, and then in the 1530s to the Crown. The system ended with the Tithe Commutation Act 1836, which replaced tithes with a rent charge decided by a Tithe Commission. The records of land ownership, or Tithe Files, made by the Commission are now a valuable resource for historians.

At first this commutation reduced problems to the ultimate payers by folding tithes in with rents (however it could cause transitional money supply problems by raising the transaction demand for money). Later the decline of large landowners led tenants to become freeholders and again have to pay directly; this also led to renewed objections of principle by non-Anglicans.

The rent charges paid to landowners were converted by the Tithe Commutation Act to annuities paid to the state through the Tithe Redemption Commission. The payments were transferred in 1960 to the Board of Inland Revenue, and finally terminated by the Finance Act 1977.


Scotland
In Scotland teinds were the tenths of certain produce of the land appropriated to the maintenance of the Church and clergy. At the Reformation most of the Church property was acquired by the Crown, nobles and landowners. In 1567 the Privy Council of Scotland provided that a third of the revenues of lands should be applied to paying the clergy of the reformed Church of Scotland. In 1925 the system was recast by statute and provision was made for the standardisation of stipends at a fixed value in money. The Court of Session acted as the Teind Court. Teinds were finally abolished by the Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc. (Scotland) Act 2000.


France
In France, the tithes -- called "la dîme" -- were a land tax. Originally a voluntary tax, in 585 the "dîme" became mandatory. In principle, unlike the taille, the "dîme" was levied on both noble and non-noble lands. The dîme was divided into a number of types, including the "grosses dîmes" (grains, wine, hay), "menues" or "vertes dîmes" (vegetables, poultry), "dîmes de charnage" (veal, lamb, pork). Although the term "dîme" comes from the Latin decima [pars] ("one tenth", same origin for US. coin dime), the "dîme" rarely reached this percentage and (on the whole) it was closer to 1/13th of the agricultural production.

The "dîme" was originally meant to support the local parish, but by the 16th century many "dîmes" went directly to distant abbeys, monasteries, and bishops, leaving the local parish impoverished, and this contributed to general resentment. In the Middle Ages, some monasteries also offered the "dîme" in homage to local lords in exchange for their protection (see Feudalism) (these are called "dîmes inféodées", but this practice was forbidden by the Lateran Council of 1179.


Germany
Germany levies a church tax, on all persons declaring themselves to be Christians, of roughly 8-9% of the income tax, which is effectively (very much depending on the social and financial situation) typically between 0.2% and 1.5% of the total income. The proceeds are shared amongst Catholic, Lutheran, and other Protestant Churches. In 1933 Hitler had the entry "church tax" added to the official tax card, which meant that the tax could now be deducted by the employer like any of the other taxes.

Some believe that the church taxation system was established or started through the Concordat of 1933 signed between the Holy See and the Third Reich. This is a simple misunderstanding or misrepresentation of §13 of the Appendix (The Supplementary Protocol) of the Concordat (Schlußprotokoll, §13). The article reads: It is understood that the Church retains the right to levy Church taxes . Notice that §13 states that the Church "retains the right" .The church tax (Kirchensteuer) actually traces its roots back as far as the Reichsdeputationshauptschluss of 1803. Today its legal basis is §140 of the Grundgesetz (the German "constitution" in connection with article 137 of the Weimar constitution.

Church tax (Kirchensteuer) is compulsory in Germany for those confessing members of a particular religious group. It is deducted at the PAYE level. The duty to pay this tax theoretically starts on the day one is christened. Anyone who wants to stop paying it has to declare in writing, at their local court of law (Amtsgericht) or registry office, that they are leaving the Church. They are then crossed off the Church registers and can no longer receive the sacraments.


Ireland
Tithes were local religious tax-like payments paid in Ireland by members of other faiths as well as its own adherents to maintain and fund the established state church, the Anglican Church of Ireland, to which only a small minority of the population belonged. The collection of tithes was violently resisted in the period 1831-36, known as the Tithe War. With the disestablishment of the Church of Ireland, tithes were abolished.


Denmark
All members of the Church of Denmark pay a church tax, which varies between municipalities. The tax is generally around 1% of the taxable income.


Spain and Latin America
Both the tithe (diezmo), a tax of 10% on all agricultural production, and "first fruits" (primicias), an additional harvest tax, were collected in Spain throughout the medieval and early modern periods for the support of local Catholic parishes. The tithe crossed the Atlantic with the Spanish Empire; however, the Indians who made up the vast majority of the population in colonial Spanish America were exempted from paying tithes on native crops such as corn and potatoes that they raised for their own subsistence. After some debate, Indians in colonial Spanish America were forced to pay tithes on their production of European agricultural products, including wheat, silk, cows, pigs, and sheep. The tithe was abolished in several Latin American countries, including Mexico, soon after independence from Spain (which started in 1810); others, including Argentina and Peru still collect tithes today for the support of the Catholic Church. The tithe was abolished in Spain itself in 1841.


Sweden
Until the year 2000, Sweden had a mandatory church tax to be paid if one did belong to the Church of Sweden which had been funneling about $500 million annually to the church. Due to change in legislation, the tax was withdrawn in year 2000. However, the Swedish government has agreed to continue collecting from individual taxpayers the annual payment that has always gone to the church. But now the tax will be an optional checkoff box on the tax return. The government will allocate the money collected to Catholic, Muslim, Jewish and other faiths as well as the Lutherans, with each taxpayer directing where his or her taxes should go.


Austria
Church tax is compulsory in Austria and Catholics can be sued by the Church for not paying it. Anyone who wants to stop paying it has to declare in writing, at their local municipal council, that they are leaving the Church. They are then crossed off the Church registers and can no longer receive the sacraments. The tax amounts to about 1% of the income.


Switzerland
There is no official state church in Switzerland; however, all the 26 cantons (states) financially support at least one of the three traditional denominations--Roman Catholic, Old Catholic, or Protestant--with funds collected through taxation. Each canton has its own regulations regarding the relationship between church and state. In some cantons, the church tax (up to 2.3%) is voluntary but in others an individual who chooses not to contribute to church tax may formally have to leave the church. In some cantons private companies are unable to avoid payment of the church tax.


Finland[/b]Members of certain churches pay a church tax of between 1% and 2.25%, depending on the municipality.


[b]United States
The United States has never collected a church tax or mandatory tithe on its citizens, under the principle of separation of church and state. The United States and its governmental subdivisions also exempt most churches from payment of income tax (under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code and similar state statutes, which also allows donors to claim the donations as an income tax itemized deduction). Also, churches may be permitted exemption from other state and local taxes such as sales and property taxes, either in whole or in part. However, churches are required to withhold Federal and state income tax from their employees along with the employee's share of Social Security and Medicare taxes, and pay the employer's share of the latter two taxes, unless the employee is an ordained minister.

Actual collection procedures vary from church to church, from the common, strictly voluntary practice of "passing the plate" in Catholic and mainline Protestant churches, to formal, church-mediated tithing in some conservative Protestant churches (as well as the LDS Church), to membership fees as practiced in many Jewish congregations. There is no government involvement in church collections (though some contributions are considered tax-exempt as charity donations), but due to less-strict income and tax reporting requirements for religious groups, some churches have been placed under legal and media scrutiny for their spending habits.

The UK DIPLOMA is Equal To Nigerian WASC While their HND is Lower in content and contact hour

We shall supply more prove that today noise about tithe is just stealing by method.

I stand to confirm that it is true HND can cause High BP.

But nobody in Nigeria need the HND skills

Seun Osewa

Approach him kindly and be soft in your words Sure he has network that will be of help.

You can write to seun. Our nairaland landlord I am sure he will assist you. Regards

Let her try it now she might be lucky like me and you. Who knows

Please let them know that POLYTECHNIC above ND is a waste of time.

@ishmael

Please tell your friends to run away from HND o

You may go to this thread  for HND problems
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-134.192.html
FG suspends scrapping of HND programme
By Jude Owuamanam, JosPublished: Tuesday, 12 Jun 2007
http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art20070612451185

The Federal Government has suspended the scrapping of higher national diploma programme in Nigerian polytechnics.The National Publicity Secretary of the Academic Staff Union of Universities, Mr. Victor Dawurung, told our correspondent in Jos on Monday that the decision to suspend the cancellation of the programme was received by the union from the Federal Ministry of Education last week.He said the decision was conveyed to the National Board for Technical Education through a letter with reference number DHE/POLY/53/CI/V.II/266 and signed by the acting Director, Tertiary Education, Dr. Jamila Shu‘ara, on behalf of the former Minister of Education, Dr. Sayyadi Abba Ruma.Dawurung said the Federal Government had stated in the letter that the decision to suspend the action was due to the proposed consolidation of federal polytechnics and the colleges of education.He said the former minister had explained that the decision to scrap the HND programme was wrongly taken because the consolidation required the enactment of an enabling law through the National Assembly.The ASUU secretary, therefore, advised all stakeholders to await the completion of all legislative process.Dawurung said the union had decided to reopen negotiations with the Federal Government on the September 2001 agreement, which was suspended as a result of the union‘s objection to the scrapping of the programme.He said the renegotiation of the agreement was scheduled for June 18 to 21.Dawurung said that the meeting would address the disparity between polytechnics and universities, funding and running of degree programmes by the polytechnics.He added that other issues in the 2001 agreement including the setting up of the National Polytechnics Commission, enhanced salary for chief lecturers and retirement age for polytechnic teachers would be discussed.Dawurung said the union also intended to reach a new agreement on the new consolidated tertiary institution salary structure.The former agreement was rejected because it lumped together academic and non-academic staff.While commending the Federal Government for bringing sanity to polytechnics, Dawurung said by the decision, the admission of prospective students into the HND programme in polytechnics would continue.

This is what I read just pending the time the house pass the law. Not yar'adua

“Do all the good you can, By all the means you can,
In all the ways you can, In all the places you can,
At all the times you can, To all the people you can,
As long as ever you can.”
~ John Wesley

New Testament is the principle that "you reap what you sow." Paul told the Corinthian brethren that "he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully" (II Cor. 9:6). God is able to supply your every need so you don't ever have to worry about giving "too much." Jesus reminded us of this principle when he said "Give and it shall be given to you . . . with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you. (Lk. 6:38). This "cause and effect" relationship between behavior and benefit is powerfully taught throughout the Bible. Consider these truths:

Sowing to spirituality reaps spiritual rewards. Paul wrote to the brethren in the Galatian region and encouraged them to generously support those who teach and preach God's word among them (Gal. 6vr6). He explains that if their mind and money are in support of spiritual things they would reap great spiritual benefits. "For he who sows to flesh will . . . reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will . . . reap everlasting life" (Gal. 6 vr8). While we are to accept this particular law of "cause and effect" simply because God said it is so, anyone who has practiced it has proven it over and over. If we give freely to others, God will give more to us so we can give more to others and the cycle goes on and on. What a great God we have above – what woes unto them who never know the joy of freely giving.

Sowing sin reaps sorrow (Prov. 22vr8). The prophet Hosea addressed a rebellious Israel and pronounced judgment on their land. They had trusted in their earthly allies to deliver them instead of their all-powerful God. Hosea explained that they had "sown the wind" and they would reap the whirlwind of God's wrath (Hos. 8vr7). The divine principle of sowing and reaping works both ways. The Roman letter explains the same end to those who sow their own pride and rebellion. Paul taught that "in accordance with" the Jews' hard and impenitent heart they were "treasuring up" the wrath of God. After all, God will "render to each one according to his deeds" (Rom. 2:5-6). Note the phrase "in accordance with." This shows that to the extent the Jews refused God's goodness they would reap His righteous indignation (Rom. 2vr8).

It's not enough to just sit by and let the great opportunities for good go unheeded. We must take every advantage of sowing spiritual appetites both in ourselves and in our fellow man. God's pure-positive law of "reaping what you sow" is as constant and steadfast as the immutability of His nature. Let us not grow weary in doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.
http://www.surfinthespirit.com/charity/reap-what-you-sow.html

The above is not tithe? It is just giving. Act of stealing by method using only Mal. 3 vr 10. known as tithe is what I feel is fake as Paul never mention Tithe as a way of receiving God blessing.

http://www.allstrettonhistory.org.uk/Tithe/tabid/269/Default.aspx
From the early middle ages, land owners had been compelled to give a tenth of their produce to the Church: one in ten eggs, one in ten pails of milk, one in ten sheaves of corn etc. This was obviously a cumbersome form of taxation, and in addition, from the Reformation onwards, it was complicated by various arrangements involving cash. By the early 19th century there was great political pressure behind the movement for a simpler and more equitable system for paying one’s dues to the Church, and in 1836 the Tithe Communication Act was passed, introducing cash payments based on the price of corn. As a consequence, parishes were surveyed to establish the exact quantity of each property, and a map was produced, with a book of reference, showing the apportionment of the tithe due from the whole parish. This book, commonly called the “apportionment”, gave the name of the owner and the occupier of each individual holding, the names of fields, and the amount due for each property. Each field or house or garden was cross-referenced between the map and the apportionment by numbers.

The tithe map for the parish of Church Stretton is dated 1840, but there is good reason to believe that the survey actually took place in 1838.

We will soon get to that level in NIgeria.

@ stimulus
This topic is asking a question to pay or not to pay tithe we should limit our self to that topic. Give freely or free will action has its own blessing because only in the given can you receive.

That is what ever you sow you will reap.

What ethereal did was never IT is is a working experience.

@bari_kade
Thanks you are right.I love your person. I have written alot on this tithe issue. Even the history of tithe it was a bloody issue in IRELAND at a point in time. I am going home now till monday. Best regards

bari_kade:
@Hnd-holder,

Does that mean all that Abraham gave Melchizedek as tithes were agricultural products?

But no record that he tithe every month he did it once. Not from his hard earn money.

] Leviticus 27:30-33, "And all the TITHE of the LAND, whether of the SEED of the land, or of the FRUIT, of the tree, is the Lord’s: it is holy unto the Lord. And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. And concerning the TITHE of the HERD, or of the FLOCK, even of whatsoever passes under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord. He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it, "


] Numbers 18:24-28, "But the TITHES of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the Lord, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance. And the Lord spoke unto Moses, saying, Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the TITHES which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the Lord, even a TENTH part of the TITHE. And this your heave offering shall be reckoned unto you, as though it were the corn of the threshing floor, and as the fullness of the winepress. Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the Lord of all your TITHES, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the Lord’s heave offering to Aaron the priest."

[b]Deut. 14:22-29, "Thou shall truly TITHE all the INCREASE of thy SEED, that the field brings forth year by year." "And you shall eat before the lord your God, in the place which He shall choose to place His name there, the TITHE of thy CORN, of thy WINE, and of your OIL, and the FIRSTLINGS OF THY HERDS and of thy FLOCKS: that thou may learn to fear the Lord thy God always.And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set His name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:Then shall thou turn it into MONEY, and bind up the MONEY in your hand, and shall go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:And thou shall BESTOW THAT MONEY FOR WHATSOEVER YOUR SOUL LUSTETH AFTER, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for WHATSOEVER YOUR SOUL DESIRES: and YOU shall eat there before the Lord thy God, and THOU shall rejoice, THOU, AND THINE HOUSEHOLD.And the Levite that is within thy gates, thou shall not forsake him; for he has no part, nor inheritance with thee.At the end of three years thou shall bring forth all the TITHE of thine INCREASE the same year, and shall lay it up within thy gates:And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the STRANGER, and the FATHERLESS, and the WIDOW, which are within thy gates, shall come, and SHALL EAT AND BE SATISFIED; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of your hand which thou doest."[/b]

This third year of tithing

Deut. 26:12, "When thou hast made an end of TITHING all the TITHES of your INCREASE the third year, which is the year of TITHING, and has given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled."