₦airaland Forum

Seun:
I won't say it's wrong. Isn't it rather funny that the alleged creator of the entire universe loves the smell of burning meat so much, though?

yea just like some of the features you put in nairaland may appear funny to us but to you it is of importance and beneficial to you.

Like i said, a creator has reasons for creating and his primary aim is to please himself. Pleasing his creature is secondary.
God has reasons for creating animals. PART of it (not all o) maybe for the purpose it served in the old testament.
That it appeared funny to some humans is just for us bro.

Rilwon:
Lol.. But you said he neve requested for human sacrifice?

Pls read from verse 12 of that chapter and you will see that the issue there is about God punishing a city for serving other gods. King James version never referred to it as a BURNT offering. It only said that they should gather all the spoils of the city after killing its inhabitants and burn the spoils with fire. And to show you that it wasnt a burnt offering/sacrifice as you want to claim, there was no mention of God savouring the sweet smell of what was burnt (even in the bible translation you used). So what happened to "the sweet smell that pleased God" reference that you usually gave?
Again where God required for animal burnt offering he usually required them to use clean animals so even if God wants to use "human as burnt offering" (as you wrongly claim tho), why will he now use infidels/unholy people who are serving other gods?
Obviously you still have no point here bro.

Rilwon:
You are only trying to change the theme of my question.. Na you sabi.

You are only trying to dodge.
There is no difference between your question and what i related it to.

you have no point to counter my submissions so keep a cool head bro.

Rilwon:
deut 13:16' You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt,

This does not in any way show that all that God requires for the atonement of sin is a burnt sacrifice of animal. It does not even contribute to the issue at hand so you have no point here bro.

Rilwon:
If this had been his plan from onset, why didn't jesus just come out after Adam? What was he thinking when he was busy requesting for burnt animals when actually he can come and appease himself by himself once and for all?

what you said here is just like saying that since God knew he will create you and me, why didnt he create us all the day he created Adam? why dont we all die same day since we will die after all?

Honestly you have no point.


God who created this world and made it to operate with time and season wants things to happen in line with time and season. His plans for us go in line with that too so keep a cool head bro. You have no point.

Again i have told you in the scripture where God said that Jesus is his beloved SON, again there are places where Jesus made it plain in the scripture that God is his father but if you choose to cling to what some persons said here and use it to judge the scripture then you are on your own.

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Rilwon:
You are the one that is not getting it.. What is the need for Jesus sacrifice if all he wanted was burnt sacrifices of animals? If he is delighted in the aroma of animals before he can forgive sin, what makes you think he was delighted in the sacrifice of jesus when he wasn't an animal neither was he roasted like they do for animals in the OT?

All he wanted?? Nah.. There is no place in the bible that he said that all he wanted was a burnt sacrifice of animal to forgive sins and thats not what i said pls.
What i said is that God does not require burnt sacrifice of human. What i mean here is that there is no place he required that a human should be used in a BURNT sacrifice. If a sacrifice should be burnt it must be only animals and NOT HUMAN. Thats the point.
Also its not all the burnt sacrifices in the scriptures that were made for sin. Some were made for thanksgiving and appreciation too God so dont mix things up. The Abraham example i gave was not even a sacrifice of atonement of sin that he required from him at that time.

infact the major thing about the forgiveness of sin is the shedding of blood which was the reason Jesus died so that his blood will be shed once and for all to replace the blood of the animals which were used in the past to atone for sins. And the birth and death of Jesus was prophesied right from the old testament so dont thiink it is an invention of the new testament age as it seems you are thinking,
it is simply Yaweh's plan and how he wanted to go of which you and i cant change it.

He is the greatest and he runs his affairs as he wants it. Those who are angry with him can only be angry and nothing more can they do to him.

Rilwon:
Lol.. Mumu man, you saw the mention up there but refused to address by attacking another thing.



Well, I've made my points, you can continue blabbing

Oh ok you ve admitted here that your koran is blabbing because what he posted here is your koran and not his own words.
Now that he has quoted one of the stinking portions of your koran you want to use style and dodge him.
Anyways you ve said it all that your koran is blabbing and the message is clear.

Rilwon:
nothing. Lol


Well then, you still haven't answered this question:
If God required the scent of burnt offerings for atonement in the OT , why wasn't Jesus body charred for the smoke to go up to the air for God to smell? Maybe the explanation for that is that was because it was God himself . So, then, how is God satisfied with his own death ? Was it the smell of his own dying body ? Did the curiosity of being killed finally satisfy him? If so, why?

You still have refused to see the answer to your questions which i provided simply because you want to make unneccessary mockery of the scripture. .
Now get this clear.
God wanted burnt sacrifices of ANIMALS not HUMAN.
When God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac for him why did He (God) stop Abraham from going ahead to kill Isaac if he wanted burnt sacrifices of human?
And he provided a lamb there for Abraham to use for the sacrifice in place of Isaac. Why will he provide a lamb if he wanted a burnt sacrifice of human?
You are the one that failed to see that God wanted burnt sacrifices of ANIMALS and NOT HUMANS.

Ymodulus:
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Quran, Bible and all religious books

And because its not fiction you can see it doesnt have a disclaimer.

TrajansKong:
honourhim yesterday, eagerly anticipating the eternal torment of the unbelievers and mockers

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It is a sure thing that unrepentant sinners will go to hell. It doesn't matter whether i anticipate it or not.

God will help us.

Seun:
I had these same thoughts after reading Genesis recently. The first murder according to Genesis was caused by this issue of suya/BBQ. Cain, a farmer, offered what he had - his grains - to God, and yet God was displeased. Abel, a shepherd, offered sheep BBQ and God loved it. God didn't tell Cain the reason why his offering was not accepted, otherwise he would've stolen/bought Abel's sheep for BBQ instead of killing him.

Yea so what"s wrong if God requires the sacrifice of what he created? And if that's part of the reason he created animals What"s wrong about it?
You created Nairaland for a purpose and you are happy when that purpose is being fulfilled. Don't play hypocrisy here pls. .
Please get it into your head that God is a creator and he has a reason for everything he created. His first and major reason of creating is not to please what he created rather to please himself FIRST then us.

Rilwon:









My point is this: Why the aroma of burnt animals is a satisfactory offering to receive his forgiveness of yhwh?
If God required the scent of burnt offerings for atonement in the OT , why wasn't Jesus body charred for the smoke to go up to the air for God to smell? Maybe the explanation for that is that was because it was God himself . So, then, how is God satisfied with his own death ? Was it the smell of his own dying body ? Did the curiosity of being killed finally satisfy him? If so, why?

Very simple questions

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Who told you that Jesus is God himself?
When Jesus was baptized, God spoke from heaven and said - this is my beloved SON in whom i am well pleased.... .
Is the above statement not explanatory enough of the place of Jesus in God?.
Why are you telling us what pastors said and using it to make your point? Obviously you have no point.

hopefulLandlord:
Really? But theists are not?

Truth is almost every theists that says for certain that god exists on this forum are actually saying "there should be a god" if you really read their posts; check almost all your and other theist's posts on this forum and confirm that for yourself

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I have always said there is God. I have no doubt about this. I can't be so foolish to look at this universe as big and sophisticated as it is and say it has no creator.
At least today we are seeing those who said in the past that there is no God are beginning to doubt there stand. While some may not be bold enough to confess their new stand openly because of the shame they will attract to themselves, some others like you are getting healed of the foolishness of atheism. keep it up if you can.

hopefulLandlord:
No one, I mean NO ONE is 100% atheist

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The truth is gradually coming out to prove that atheists and their likes here are a confused bunch.

naijadeyhia:
And you say you are not confused? So you are neither here nor there but still there sha. Thats like saying I am not a man nor a woman but I share both sex organs.

Honestly you shouldn't even be talking when either Atheists or theists are bantering because from your statement you just want to be a distraction. So is it right if we put you under the category of "entertainment"?

True.

hopefulLandlord:
Confused? Arguing for agnostics? What is this one saying?

Simply put : Face your atheism and leave others alone.

crusadistic:
Wow! so those cute little atheism talks here actually have this much effect on xtians.

truthman2012,true2god,annunaki2,parisbookaddict... were art thou.Am yet to see how any of your rantings have made any Muslim loosing or almost loosing his faith.

@ Vick4rill this is actually the beginning stage...you're still likely to turn atheist if you continue peeping at their forbidden threads.

See your imbalanced reasoning. You failed to recognize that there are much more threads of christians vs atheists than Muslims vs atheists in this forum.
You also failed to recognize that in the muslim section they dont give room for argument with people of other belief. They dont tolerate contrary opinion to their belief. Why don't you people allow your belief to be criticised like we christians? If you are sure of your faith and what you preach then open your section for criticism like us or you hide your face in shame.
You can see how atheists are being messed up here by christians.
Open your section for criticism and see how we will turn your belief into shreds. .

hopefulLandlord:
So, you almost turned atheist but you stopped that notion? That shows you almost did something not wrong, I'm not trolling here but if at some point you strongly considered atheism, it shows that even you don't have proof for the existence of your god, you might not be an atheist but you're actually Agnostic

Agnostic is what you are right now, you keep going to church and worshipping Yahweh but its the truth

Agnosticism is a middle ground between atheism and theism

Agnosticism and atheism is gaining ground in Nigeria through this forum, hopefully atheists would be more acceptable by the Nigeria society in the nearest future

If that happens, you'll be shocked at the number of church goers and mosque goers who are one

Why are you arguing for agnosticism? You people are so confused. Face your atheism and leave others alone to define where they belong.

Arguing with atheists further reveals to me why the scripture called them FOOLS.
I have always known that i am on the right track being a Christian.

hopefulLandlord:
Agnostic can be a theist or an atheist bro
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_theism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

JackBizzle:
An agnostic is an atheist

hopefulLandlord:
So, you almost turned atheist but you stopped that notion? That shows you almost did something not wrong, I'm not trolling here but if at some point you strongly considered atheism, it shows that even you don't have proof for the existence of your god, you might not be an atheist but you're actually Agnostic

Agnostic is what you are right now, you keep going to church and worshipping Yahweh but its the truth

Agnosticism is a middle ground between atheism and theism

Agnosticism and atheism is gaining ground in Nigeria through this forum, hopefully atheists would be more acceptable by the Nigeria society in the nearest future

If that happens, you'll be shocked at the number of church goers and mosque goers who are one

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Two confused people deceiving themselves.

KingEbukaNaija:
The fool says in his heart there is no God



The universe has a cause and the cause of the universe is its creator .



Any cogent reason for that ?



God is omniscient , infinite and eternal . He has always been in the predominant spiritual realm .



God possesses supernatural abilities . His nature does not limit his abilities . Take a look at game development :

You have AIs which reside in a virtual environment . Their "world" was created by the game developer and he implements whatever idea he has in that environment - this explains how God created the physical universe from the spiritual realm .

Example

Your FIFA16 game . Those AIs present are in their own reality . Their features , abilities , the stadiums were all developed by the game's mavens . But the programmer is human while the AIs are not .



The bible clearly says God spoke the non physical into existence (Romans 4 : 17)

Ex nihilo - creation out of nothing . Nothing means non existence and not an empty space .

Beautiful submissions

Ranchhoddas:
Wetin this one dey talk?

He rants again. Atheist indeed.

Elohim1:
We Already Know The Truth Bro Atheism Is Not For The Week

Elohim1:
I Don't Understand What U Saying Bro Pls Could U Speak English??

Yea just like i dont understand what you said that atheism is not for the week. Could you pls speak good English? Next time spell weak. Its different from week pls.

Elohim1:
Hmmm What U Explained Is What Pantheistic Believe In So What The Diff In That Sense

You are confused. You wrote in your OP that a fool says in his heart that there is a God and proved to you why it is you that says there is no God that is the fool and here you are ranting.

Ranchhoddas:
And I insist that your statement though true, is not the Christian position. Have ytou stopped being a Christian?

He simply proved to you why it is foolishness for somebody to say that there is no God.
You people have been ranting without being able to disprove his points.
Truth will continue to hunt you people.

Domislaz:
See this girl O! Don't you know that logical sets comprising a theoretical ontology are implicitly incapable of providing comprehensive evidence for atheism? There is no proof that there is no God and it is far from self evident that God does not exist .

The girl 's brain seems to have lost control.

Elohim1:
Ur Argument Was Week How Does That Apply To A "God"

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Rather your argument is so weak and has been utterly destroyed by his powerful submissions.
Truly a fool says in his heart that there is no God.

Sinkills:
There are people who seriously doubt the existence of hell fire - a place where unrepentant sinners are punished forever. Some agree that since the Holy Scriptures affirm its existence including Christ Himself (Psalms 9:17; Matthew 25:41,46; Luke 12:4,5; 16:22-31) then hell fire must be real. There are others who think that God is too merciful to cast the people He created into hell fire for all eternity. Well, you are entitled to your thoughts. However, my take is that one should be on the safer side. If you live your life with the belief that there is hell fire and you die only to discover that there is nothing like that, you don't have anything to lose, do you? On the other hand, if you believe there is no hell fire which affects tour attitude, lifestyle and choices and then you die only to be confronted with the reality of its existence, what will you do?

The lake of fire is real. Stop playing double games about it. Those who will not repent will not repent and tbey will end up there.

Jozzy4:
My point which you misunderstood is that someone shares a belief contrary to you doesn't make them a JW . you already attacked him as JW even before he made the clarification that he only attend their meetings and he isn't a member .

That kind of mentality is bad . many people even atheists and agnostics also some Churches reject the hellfire teaching . yet that doesn't make them JW . its wrong to tag their beliefs " JW belief " . focus on is , are they making a vital point not searching for where they got their beliefs from.

There is a man called L.Ray Smith who reject almost all the teachings of Christendom . this man is a times mistaken for a JW even when he do say it countless times that he is not and that he have a differing belief from JWs in some aspect .

So stop that tag!



Calm down , Immortality means cannot die! If humans are immortal beings , how then can Jesus claim to save then from death ?
That's the question!




That's the problem with you guys , am talking about the Resurrection as stated in John 5:28,29 and Act 24:15 not first ressurection please!

Its a shame that the term second ressurection is never found in the scripture ! The term first Ressurection is used to describe the ressurection of the few ones selected to reign with Christ over the EARTH . but your understanding of verse 5 is funny indeed, does it mean they will Reign with Christ over an empty earth , since if taken literally it means all the dead humans are not yet ressurected ?


** RESSURECTION Read John 5:28:29 and see all the dead getting ressurected together , in line with Act 24:15.

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Again regarding your question, second death as I explained earlier is scriptural.

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Trash. See how you are twisting the scriptures to suit your false teaching.

You have failed to tell me why christians who have received Christ are still dying just like sinners despite your claim that Jesus died to save us from physical death. Why are the just still dying, even on daily basis?
We ve had this argument extensively in the past where we trashed this heaven, hell, immortality etc matter . You can look up the threads and go thru them. I ve no time to start going thru the argument all over again.

cloudgoddess:
Damń. It must really suck to live each day believing such horrible things. How can you not see that these beliefs have you trapped in a psychological cage?

Don't be deceived. Your acceptance or rejection of heaven and hell doesn't matter. These are realities everyone one of us must face so your feelings about it doesnt make any change. .

Jozzy4:
Trash, so that makes him a member of Jw , right ?

What concerns me with whether he is a member of JW or not? The point i made in my post was that hid belief was that of JW. when he is already attending their meetings what else are you saying? So you mean its only when you claim membership of an organization that you can share in their belief? Trash.

Jozzy4:
Don't evade my question , if humans are immortal ... Why then did Jesus save us from death ?

So you mean Jesus came and suffered what he suffered just to save us from physical death? I pity you. And if physical death is such a horrible thing before God why on earth should the righteous die at all in the first place? Jesus came to save you from physical death yet both the righteous and sinners are dying on daily basis. What kind of trash are you talking?

Jozzy4:
* Regarding your question it boils down to lack of proper understanding, " There is going to be a ressurection of the righteous and unrighteous " Act 24:15, after the 1000 years of Christ Reign, each Ressurected individual will be allowed to make their decision to follow God or Satan who will be allowed to tempt all. Those who survived this last test will be given the promised " gift" of everlasting life , while Those who succumb will have the wages of their action , Death ( ROM 6:23)

Trash.
Here is the biblical details of the Acts 24;15 you quoted-

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection is for the righteous so dont lump it together as if the just and unjust will be resurrected same time.

The second resurrection is for the unjust and it will take place after the 1000 years reign so carry your false teaching out of here abeg.
My question remains-
Why will the sinners be resurrected again just for the purpose of killing them again? What sense does it make? Many of these people died thousands of years ago. many died in most horrible way, and you want to tell me that they will be resurrected again only for the purpose of judging them and killing them again? NO pls. They are being resurrected to face something worse than physical death and that is eternal torment.

Read through revelations 20 and stop deceiving yourself. I can see you are trying hard to paint a picture of an all loving God and thereby messing up yourself. Deceiver.

dorox:
I study the bible with JW and attend their meetings every once in a while, but I have not yet decided to become a member at this time.

Jozzy4:
Its funny how some people reason , once a person disgagrees with them such ones are automatically labelled a JW , or atheist even agnostics . in other to divert themselves from the point such ones are making



Dorox ask one question , [size=27] if humans are immortal.. Why did Jesus come to save us from death ? [/size]

Very valid question . meanwhile, this immortality is the basis of the burning hell. Destroy this root and see the whole bricks of hell fall like Jericho


I await someone who can answer that question, let's address this stuff from it's very foundation!

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Liar. He has already admitted that he attends JW and study the bible with them so stop deceiving yourself.

Again, if everything ends in physical death why will God need to raise dead Sinners up on the last day only to kill them again? Does that make sense? You have failed to answer my question because you are afraid of the truth it poses before you.