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tayooluwole:
U did not answer an aspect of my question yet... I said, while praying to God, we should not bother ourselves asking for protection ? Since he never guarantee us protection and since he discriminate by choosing who ever he will protect( according to d first part of ur comment )...

If you can find the husband of the woman that was killed and discuss with him you will still discover that there were times God delivered the woman from evil in the past.
You will even see that she has given several testimonies of God's protection in her church.
This time around death came and this is the way it came. There's nothing anybody can do about it.

Ranchhoddas:
So people in the new heaven and new earth will be UNABLE to use their freewill for bad. How then is this freewill?

Freewill as given by God is based on what he has placed on ground. In this life the freewill is between good and evil. In the new heaven and new earth righteousness will reign so the freewill will be righteousness based.

I ve always said it that there is no absolute freedom anywhere.

4evergod2:
I think you are the one mistaken consciousness with awareness.

Consciousness is not what makds u know you are a boy or girl or that you can drive. Its way beyond that. Consciousness is your wake up moment in life. Example.....sperm meetd egg and implants and begins the process of becoming a baby. In that process at a point the heart begins to beat and we say the baby is alive but without consciousness the baby may well still assume he or she is not alive.

Example again.....science itself has repeatedly shown that there is consciousness even after someone has been certified as clinically dead. In these cases people who died and were brought back to life told those who brought them back all they saw them doing while they lay dead. It was like seeing everything from above or from a corner of the room

So how could they have accurately seen and known all this even in death?

You need to read up bro. Science is in the dark regarding consciousness.

Beautiful.

tayooluwole:
This is what is baffling me the most, what is the rationale behind spreading and worshiping a God that can not protect us from evil that may want to purnish us by horrible means, even against our will... With this ur point, do u think it will be a sin if I protect my self with charms ?

Even those who use charm still die and even horribly too so charm is not a sure security.
My dear you dont need to stress yourself. This life is full of mysteries.
For God not to have stopped evil from entering into creation shows there is a reason for that.
Looking at it from the angle that a creator is not meant to please the created rather the created is meant to please the creator because that's the purpose of his creating in the first place.

UyiIredia:
It's actually one of the arguments I posted earlier on this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/2353987/three-arguments-gods-existence

The argument from consciousness: Consciousness is not a physical thing. It's also called awareness and that's not physical. It's not a physical thing that you can observe and measure but is the means by which you observe and measure. It's critical to my argument that consciousness be understood as something immaterial, which it actually is, going by its definition. If you think about it all knowledge stems from consciousness because to truly know anything you must be aware of it. You cannot know what you are not aware of.

Now if atheists are right then there should be no consciousness at all. In a purely physical world consciousness would be the anathema, something strange. But there is consciousness and therefore the atheist is not correct. Consciousness being immaterial cannot be explained by physical means. It did not evolve since evolution applies to physical beings. It does not spontaenously emerge because emergence typically deals with how complex PHYSICAL systems arise from simpler precursors. Atheism being materialistic in nature has nothing to offer to explain mental awareness. But the theist believing in an eternal conscious God has a means to explain consciousness. And that my friends wraps up my argument.

Cc thehomer Seun cloudgoddess Blaqsmith dalaman ichommy

Right.

Ranchhoddas:
What assurances do you have that there will be no rebellion/pride/sin again in heaven? That the whole Lucifer/ Adam and Eve scenario will not occur again?

The Adam and Eve scenario is a different case and has played its role in life. The next phase of life will be different because God will create a new heaven and a new earth. Here is the scripture -
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2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

tayooluwole:
I have heard many cases of God's word preachers who have been killed, slaughtered and brutally mutilated while preaching or on other duties in respect to biblical God's commandment. Many were burnt alive while withing the church premises praying and praising God, many captured and were easily slaughtered, many were captured within their own house, raped and eventually killed and many more cases like that.

Seriously, all these occurrences left me with one critical question that has been dominating my mind for years, that why would God keep silent while such horrific murder is being unleashed on his consistent servant ? Why can't God, weather spiritually or physically, prevent such tragedy, to at least encourage other worshipers and consolidate the believe that God is truly mighty as it is being claimed. Preventing such tragedy, to me, has the efficacy of preventing many people from waking up one day and start thinking at all weather God exist or not.
Should we say our so called popular pastors, knows that there is no divine assistance they can enjoy while facing assassinating temptation and that is why most of them move all around with sophisticated security outfit...

I beg, rational whosiper should come to my rescue in answering this question ooo...

The world wasn't created to be free of evil.
God never promised us as christians that we will not die neither did he say that the christians will not die in a horrible manner.
Both the christians and the unbelievers enjoy the sun and the rain together. If God wanted to draw a separation he would ve created a different world for christians so there's nothing strange about a christian experiencing horrible death. Jesus experienced it, some of his disciples experienced it too.

DJHANDSOME:
So were was Jesus when this happened ?


Didn't he promise to protect his children ? GOD why??

Did he promise them that they won't die?

hopefulLandlord:
It is about fear

Remove hell and heaven from the Bible and see members number plummet

Check their comments on Nairaland and its all "accept Jesus or burn in hell"

Not even heaven and hell, remove only hell and the number will plummet. I believe many are serving God because of the fear of hell.

bloodyBLOGGER:
If you want to be broken free from the lies of tithe, pls google:-

The tithe is illegal by Gary Amirault


It might take you close to 3hrs to complete the reading, but it would be worth it cos you will be freed from the pentecostal lies that has held you down for ages.

pls, read it.

Stop making noise and start helping the poor around you.

They are joking. I will give birth to a child then they will tell me what i shouldnt train them with. That's madness.

hopefulLandlord:
I won't do such either

Oh.. Ok.. Continue with the counting of gods.

hopefulLandlord:
I don't know

But all gods including Yahweh are man made

You dont know. And here you drew conclusion about God and you want me to believe you? I wont do such.

Niflheim:
@OP, and all christians who do not acknowledge Allah will burn FOREVER in the Muslim Hell!!!

Leave Muslims to come and defend their belief. Face your atheism.

hopefulLandlord:
The same creator of all gods


HUMAN

Who created human?

Niflheim:
Satan was created by the "horror-fiction" writers who wrote the bible!!!

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Who told you that the bible writers are horror fiction writers? Who told you that the bible is a fiction?

twosquare:
God created Lucifer; Lucifer recreated himself to Satan.

And what are you driving at? If someone sins, then God didnt create him or what?

Goodyman:
Dearly Beloved, let me have your views on this very important issue - Who created Satan? Did God create him?

God created him.

Millex:
Salvation came through Jesus, we repent and are saved, Restitution is however need after repentance that what ever we have stolen we return with interests, whoever we have offended we go back and seek forgiveness, who we killed seek forgiveness from the family. No one said it would be easy but getting to final rest in Heaven is the ultimate goal. The earth is temporary, where would you spend your eternity, believe it or not Heaven and Hell is real.

100% correct. Remain blessed.

Millex:
Correction : Sin is anything that is against righteousness, all unrighteousness is sin. Any person who commits sin is a sinner. It's in the bible that though hands may be joined together (prayer) no sinner will go unpunished. Accepting Jesus as Lord and personal saviour doesn't mean the one won't recieve punishment for sins. An armed robber, rapist etc who repents, on restitution is to Go Back and confess to the victims what ever the victims or authorities punishment for the sin committed would be served. However in Heaven the moment a sinner accepts Christ, grace comes and erases past records. That however doesn't stop punishment but it saves from Hell, which is the second death. It is what the bible speaks of in," the soul that sinneths shall die"

Note that by man's standards of "good" doesn't guarantee salvation, on accepting Jesus would. Afterall the criminal crucified with Jesus who repented got saved but still served his punishment of being crucified.

For any man to then hide under the umbrella of Christianity to sin, and expect that grace would about? God would not be mocked... whether a "Christian" or not as long as He or she sins the person is going to Hell. So let no man fool you that because he is a Christian he can sin as long as he goes back to ask for forgiveness, God isn't mocked, Grace would not always be there, the person could die before having a chance to repent.

About the last part, that's grace for you, as long a who ever sins repents genuinely with a sorrowful heart, grace would about. We are all sinners, in heaven whether a rapist, or armed rubber, or axe murderer, or a liar, or a cheater or corrupt politician etc, they are all the same. No big sin or little sin, sin is sin. However if true repentance is done all sins are forgiven, though the punishment for the sin would be there. The rapist could go to life imprisonment, the axe murdered would be punished by the law, the liar could loose friendship, trust nd opportunity, the corrupt politician could be arrested by efcc and jailed nd lose all his money.

Good submissions. As if both of us read each other's post before writing but we never did.
God bless you.

cloudgoddess:
Read carefully before you respond to things please.

In Christianity, "SINNERS" - loosely defined as people who do bad things, do NOT recieve judgment for their sin as long as they remain Christian and pray.

Hellfire is for people who do not accept Jesus & Yahweh. That's really the only purpose it serves, a negative reinforcement to discourage leaving the faith. A fear based motivator to help ensure that people remain Christians. Under Christianity an axe murderer and rapist can make heaven. What judgment do they recieve for their killing and rape if all they have to do is pray it away?

You are telling me what some pastors told you. I dont base my relationship with God on what pastor said.
I know what you are talking about. Some of them come here to tell me that if a christian commits adultery and dies on top of the woman he will still go to heaven. Foolish preachers.
Judgment awaits every sinner. Any christian who sin is a sinner too. Repentance and salvation is the way out for everyone. Yet people do suffer for their evil deeds while on earth even when they have repented.

cloudgoddess:
And neither do you have any grounds to say it did happen.

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The bible is my grounds. And of course none of the men of the generations that wrote the bible came up with a counter book to tell us that what was written in the bible never happened. . And the book kept growing in popularity all these years . How come Its only people who lived after the bible generation that out of their evil mind started writing against it? I cant have confidence in such second or third hand info.
The old testament was written several centuries before the new testament yet there was no counter book that came up at that time. if you have any pls show me.
Again the new testament was written and no book came out at that time to tell us it was false. Christians have been going on pilgrimage at biblical historical sites till date. The world has not stood up to tell us that the pilgrimage sites we go to in Isreal has no such historical background as claimed in the bible.
If certain generations could produce intelligent men who wrote the bible why couldnt they produce intelligent writers who will counter the bible claims if they were false as you claim?

badthinds:

Didn't God [meet] void according to the creation story?

Nope. The earth was created first. The form of it when created was void and covered with darkness. Then God went further to add light and other creatures into it.
Read that scripture again.

dblackninja:
Won't want to hear? I believe most atheists know that verse.. It is the Christians that doesn't. I just said that those particular words obfuscated where he claimed creating darkness.
The Christians will say that Satan is the author of evil (attributing all manner of evil to him), while god is actually the creator evil. There's no single place even in that fable showing an evil satan committed. It is God that lies, steals, kills and destroys all through

If you don't know that the bible attributed god as loving..then your not a good student of the bible.

Satan is the evil one and there are several places he instigated evil in the bible which you will not understand and wont want to understand. . Yes God created him but have you asked yourself why God created someone he knew will turn out to be evil?
Why God created a world he knew will be evil?

Life and what surrounds it is too big for you to wake up and start condemning things /info that existed hundreds upon hundreds of years before you were born.

Again i didnt say God is not loving. It is all loving that i said i ve not seen in the bible

[quote author=jammyrock post=47348889][/quote]. From where did the earth come from?

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dblackninja:
Oh okay.. When reading that part of the fable, the glaring words [size=16pt] "and create evil" [/size] obfuscated everything...so I didn't know that god claimed that one too. Nice one from the loving creator

Thank God you ve seen it now. I always tell you atheists that God said he creates evil and good but you people wont want to hear that one. Even some christians too don't want to believe it.
Again there is no where in the scripture that i have seen God claim that he is all loving. You and some christians here are the ones claiming all loving for him just to satisfy your selfish reason.
God said he is a jealous God, he carries out vengeance and punishes those who engages in iniquity etc. Never said he is all loving.

jammyrock:
From the account of creation, the bible tells us that "darkness filled the earth".

That is to say that everywhere was dark. Then God started his creation. Now, this is my question; who created darkness?

Polite response please.....

Read your bible well.


Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
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God first created the heaven and the earth. Then the earth he created was covered with darkness and he pronounced light.

Darkness wasn't there before the earth was created as you want us to believe.


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hopefulLandlord:
Talk to me please

Why do you say that?

The starting point is God. Some refer to the starting point as a force or whatever they wish, for us, that starting point is God.
I disagree with you that if the force can stand on its own then the world can exist on its own.

hopefulLandlord:
If a force has to create the universe because something can't exist without a creator

Then a force has to have created a force that created the universe

Law of infinite regress sets in

If that force can come to be on its own, then the world can exist on its own

This sounds quite stupld.

01Mysticdon:
hmm, I don't know what to say

I ve answered your OP as i told you i will do later. . Go check it up in the main page.

Teempakguy:
That's a sociopathic question.

compare


sociopath: He looked at me funny. I'm going to kill him

X: Why?

sociopath: Why not?



sociopath: I raped her over and over again.

X: Why ?

sociopath: Why not?


sociopath: I will burn my enemies and eat their flesh with mayonnaise

X: Why?

sociopath: Why not?




I believe I've made myself clear on the matter.

Why do you people choose to read only what you think you can find a loophole in? We ve gone beyond this stage in the discussion.
Read the other posts both of us exchanged where the "why" and "why not " have been presented.