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SirWere:
Why will I go to hell for being an Atheist I honestly don't understand.

Because you never created your self.
The world you came into is not yours.
The one who created you gave you two options to choose from - either to be on his side and follow him and make heaven or you reject him and get the hell fire punishment.
Whether you reject him by being an atheist or under any order guise, all amounts to rejecting him and attracts same punishment.

01Mysticdon:
Please someone should tell me where God is.
Don't tell me he is ominipresent, if he were to be the 3 people that were shot when they were coming back from night vigil few weeks back would have been covered by him.

And also this cult killings would have stopped, come to ONELGA in Rivers State especially the Egi Clan of the Ogba kingdom people are killed almost everyday, if God were to be omonipresent won't he save them.
And these churches here are disturbing us with their loud speakers, the mosque here in Egi has been almost deserted.


Is God on a holiday?
Don't he value our lives?

Note: I'm not an Atheist, I am also not a Christian or a Moslem.
I believe God and other spiritual forces exists because of the Jazz these cultists are displaying.

Omo no be here, niggas like me dey take cover.
Egi dey smell blood and our so called Ominipresent God dey watch.
I worship him not.
I support no religion.

I'm still in a dilema whether God exists or not.

Where is God?


otemanuduno why is Domino not helping?
Muafrika2 why is Jehovah not helping?

Here is my answer.

For the three people that died after night vigil- God never promised christians that they will not see death in this world neither did he promise us that christians will not die horrible death. Infact some of the apostles of Jesus died horrible death. Jesus himself experienced horrible death so theres nothing strange about what you said happened.

Concerning the cultism cases -
If you read thru the bible you ll understand that this world was not structured to be free of evil. It's a place where man has been given freedom to make good use of his brain and other attributes and gain or make bad use of it and suffer the consequences..
Those who engage in cultism chose to be in it. Yea their activities do affect innocent ones sometimes but that's a world mixed with good and evil. This is not to say that God does not deliver people from evil. He does but sometimes too one is caught up in the evil. That's part of life's process.
And of course God delivers the believer and unbeliever just as he allows the sun, the rain, the air etc upon both too.

otemanuduno:
your emotion found you, not God.
All religions are inspired by the gods. God who created the universe with a Big Bang does not operate through religion. His powers are inherent in nature and he does not even approve of the idea of religion because it limits the use of the brain.
Reverad the father of Jehovah, Odin and all known gods do not approve of religion but the use of our brains. He doesn't judge anyone after death as well. He only broadens your vision to see all your mistakes while on earth, and religious mistake is one of the mistakes we have all made. THE WAY OF THE SCIENTISTS IS THE WAY OF OUR GOD. religion is just a short-circuit based on false hood.

I AM OTEM, SENT BY EARTUM THE BROTHER OF JEHOVAH TO REVEAL ALL THE HIDDEN TRUTH FROM THE TIME OF THE BIG BANG TILL DATE.

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Cheap liar seeking for undue relevance. You have failed.

ValentineMary:
In case u did not notice, ur previous statement potrayed anger and hate. The summary of what u said is "Why would they not burn in hell".

So u believe they should burn in hell for not believing a jew died for them, for not believing bats are birds as stated in Deutronomy, for not believing a virgin gave birth, for not believing a guy turned his stick to a snake, is that enough reason for punishing them forever? what if their moral lives is better than xtians should they still burn in hell?

What is so special about beliefs?

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And since you were not there when the biblical events happened then you have no grounds to say it never happened.
I still make my point that those who are not on God's side will be punished in hell fire forever. I am not forcing anybody to believe and i cannot stop saying it because you don't believe in it.

ValentineMary:
You are just angry at atheist because they don't believe what u believe. That's utter foolishness.

I can't be angry at someone for believing what he believes but I have heard several theist say they HATE atheist. That is folly.

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I am not angry with them. Telling them the consequences of their belief does not amount to being angry with them.
Learn to differenciate between anger and being frank. What will i gain from being angry with them? Nothing.

BlackHummer:
God found me using 3 different mediums:
1. The agency of spiritual songs: this could hardly be explained. It is better experienced. Those who have experienced God from the impulse of deep spiritual songs will understand this.
2. Undying conviction: at some point, I asked deep questions about the origin of the universe, why bad things happen to good people etc. These questions were honest and sincere. My fellow christian friends didn't help matters; they postulated that I wasn't initially genuinely saved, that's why I asked such 'blasphemous' questions. I struggled with believing God but then there was this undying conviction about the existence of God. As a result, I pulsated between agnostism, pantheism and atheism. Then number 3 came to the rescue.
3. Jehovah Jireh: While I was in my dark state of disbelieve, I had this inner witness that God was pruning my motives and desire for him. But I thought they were just residual christian ideologies persisting in my thoughts. It was layed in my heart that God was with me even though I thought my pursuit of God was nothing but a wild goose chase. One day, I was somewhere in lagos and short of transport. Then my spirit became 'alive' and I became so conscious of a presence I can't explain. I became so convinced that somehow, I would find my way home. When I finished the business of the day (around 8pm), I stepped out of the building where I worked and for no reason, a car stopped and the partially drunk guy driving said with a smile said, "you look like my guy" come in let me give u a lift. Since we were going different directions, he dropped me at a bus stop and went his way. While I was still deliberating whether or not it was all coincidence, a taxi driver stopped within 5mins after I was dropped at the bus stop, and gave me another lift. He dropped me at a spot where I got a bus going my way and the amount I had on me was exactly sufficient. This did not happen once. One time, I and a friend had transportation that was just sufficient for one person. A taxi driver stopped and offered to pick both of us with the exact amount we had with us, which was just enough for one, even without us telling him what we had initially. Finally, at least 3 different men of God have told me my purpose in life. I would be very foolish to call all these coincidences. God proved to me that He is Lord and He can neither be compelled nor tested. He clearly showed me that He keeps watch over me and will always provide for me. He revealed himself to me as Jehovah- Jireh

Good testimony.

They have disappeared. That's their style, once you put up something that punctures their belief they run away and go looking for another thread they can attack.
They are deceiving themselves.

Teempakguy:
why?

Why not?

cloudgoddess:
Judgment doesn't await sinners in Christianity lol. A Christian can perform any sin he wants as long as he prays to Jesus after. I saw it all the time as a Christian and I still see it all the time.

Christianity has nothing to do with morality. It's a get out of jail free card for people who are sufficiently gullible to take the bible -- with all it's inconsistencies, contradictions, shady history, science blunders and logical fallacies -- as true.

Now you are saying there is no judgment in christianity. The next minute you will be angry that God said that sinners will be punished at last in hell fire.
Do u even have a stand?

UyiIredia:
It is admittedly rare but argument sometimes changes people's minds. It changed the mind of a notorious atheist in the UK, Anthony Flew.

Well you have a point there. What it means is that Anthony Flew was meant to be hit by that argument in other to have a change of stand. God can bring us back thru any means that can do the work better because he knows us best. Thanks bro.

johnydon22:
Nope it's not about what pleases everybody, it's about contradiction of characteristics.

Just like telling this is "All white" and then go ahead and show me black patches all over and still maintain it's "all white"

that is a contradiction such a thing cannot exist, something all white cannot have black patches if it does it's no longer all white.

So too is the relationship of the characteristics of the biblical deity as laid out by you lot and the roles it is being showed to play.

it's characteristics as you guys peddle speak something while it's behaviours as seen everywhere in the bible or the christian doctrine speaks the complete opposite.

The whole idea of HELL is variance with notion of an all good and all loving deity

the whole notion of conformity to escape punishment is variance with the idea of unconditional love and goodness.

The whole notion of universality contradicts the idea of tribal inclination and favouritism towards one group of people.

the whole idea of a perfect God makes the enthusiastic piety and belief irrelavant.

I could go on forever to show you how the characteristic of God as laid out in the christian or biblical terminology contradicts and annihilates it's behaviours in the doctrines of christianity and also the bible..

such character contradictions is paradoxical therefore such a thing cannot be said to exist like the paradox of all white with black patches.

A God with hell cannot be all loving or all good, if you still maintain it is then it is a paradox and it cannot exist.

So goes for all other character variances..

Kindly show me in the bible where God is said to be all good and all loving. You are still telling me what preachers are saying about him.

And if you cant show me then what makes you think that the characteristics of God should be all - good and all - loving?

Are you the one to impose on God what he should be so that if he is not, then he isn't God?

Have you not seen in the bible where it is said that God creates evil and good?

Have you not seen in the bible where it is written that God said Jacob have i loved and Esau have i hated? So what is it about all loving and all good?

johnydon22:
It is amazing that you don't find the whole idea of a God who says "believe i exist, i'll reward you, if you don't i will burn you forever" repulsive.

Isn't such show of chronic egoism and unparalleled childishness something you'd expect a supposedly all powerful creator of the cosmos to be way above?

Who gave u the standard of measurement that will determine whether God should be God or not? Where in the bible is it written that why God is God is because he does what pleases everybody?

Ranchhoddas:
This is like saying 'Islam is a religion of peace.That you disagree with it does not make it incorrect or false' How does that sound to you?

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If the tenets guiding islam is that of peace then its peaceful.
That a few people are making it look violent doesn't mean it is not peaceful.

Ranchhoddas:
Which answers?

Many threads have been opened here where lots of questions have been asked and answers provided to you guys. That you disagree with an answer giving to a question doesn't make the answer incorrect or false.

Ranchhoddas:
They are having panic attacks.

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Nope. You people came to a religion forum when you claim you are not a religionist. You started asking us questions which we have been giving answers. Now we ask questions to you or make comments based on our findings about you and you scream blue murder. So what do u people want? For us to keep quiet while only you talk?

johnydon22:
If nobody talks about you then you are nobody... the constant mention of atheists/atheism shows the growing effects of atheism on this board, some are bothered and threatened by it so wage war against it while others are just curious.

Even my name has become a constant topic of discussion among theists these days, i get up to 20 - 30 mentions when ever i log in, half of them are unnecessary mentions from people using my name as their topic of discussion.

This thread is simply to caution fellow christians to focus on preaching the word more than arguing too much with atheists.
I'm not afraid of the influence of atheism because its not strange. Its in the bible and i ve given some deeper meditation to some parts of the scriptures and discovered that it's not by our too much talk or arguement.
If you will repent you will repent but if not, you die an atheist and end up in hell.

Tufanja:
The title of this thread is demonstrating a serious form of intellectual deficiency.

Continue to wail over the title. Meanwhile i ve passed the message i want to pass.

ichommy:
Continue

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What?

Those that will repent will do when the messages that will hit them to repentance comes . I do not think our duty is to argue the existence of God. Just keep preaching the word. Those that wont repent will not. No need for unneccessary arguement.
That's my own view.

loopman:
E pain the flatthhead
You still dey talk abi? Mumu, e be like say to chop e-slap dey worry you truly?

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Cracked head . You can only make noise. I believe in practical. Let's go physical if u are not a COWARD.

Nkem4040:
When Will Buhari Visit SE and Core ND States...What Is He Afraid Of? Jonathan visited core Northern states barely few months in office as acting president despite Buhari winning core northern states. Don't come here and give me useless hogwash excuse that he visited Cross River...no he visited an highway, flagged off an invisible highway and flew out immediately...didn't last few hrs. I ask again, When will the president of the country visit SE and core ND states: Anambra, Delta, Rivers, Imo, Abia, Bayelsa, Ebonyi, Enugu and Akwa Ibom? He has visited over 40 countries and yet to visit these regions and he claims he is their president? Is he being vindictive because they didn't vote for him? How many votes did Jonathan receive from core northern states?

Of what gain is his visit to you? Detach yourself from the Ijaws and focus on the east. Stop weeping for Jonathan, he failed this country.

loopman:
When your governors start inviting him to commission completed projects. Abi they don't hfave any capital votes in their budgets?

The one he said he was coming to kick start in Ogoni did he come,? Stop being stupld.

ejilife:
..Same here! In IPOB voice......"We are loving the excellent Job well done of our Kiths and Kins"

Keep deceiving yourself.

Avelo:
Chaii Igbo amaka. A people steeped in hard work and industry even from adam. All akenzhuas submissions point to a hardy, thrifty and above all very capitalistic people. I love the part about not wanting anu favours from anybody. The Igbo is willing to work his way to the top, the very reason they were top dogs in pre colonial times when fairness and equity reigned supreme IGBO KWENU!!!. Igboid more submissions please

Yes o igbo amaka. A friend of mine who is a pastor was dashed a parcel of land by one his church members recently, he insisted that he wont take the land for free that he will pay for it and he paid. That's the spirit of an igbo man. We take pride in working hard towards our success unlike the Ikwerre man who takes pride in collecting money and land from people forcefully.

Igboid:
Yoruboid being. This one pain am wella.

E pain am no be small o.

Igboid:
If Ndiigbo can possess 73% of the lands in Abuja, a place where we have no power over, and years after we lost everything in Biafra and had to start afresh, then imagine how much more the powerful pre Civil war Igbo could have acquired in Abuja or even anywhere else.

It doesn't take a soothesayer to know that all the lands Ndiigbo acquired in PH were fairly and legitimately acquired from the government of the day, which only happened to be Igbo dominated and from the indigenous Ikwerre people of PH who were more than eager to sell their lands at a fair sum.

It's sheer wickedness on the part of Ikwerre elders who sold these lands to Ndiigbo and who didn't have the money to apply for land from the Eastern government because they were too lazy, to turn around after the war, and start accusing Ndiigbo of unjustly taking their lands from them, simply to justify their agenda of dispossessing the Igbo man of his hard earned property, because he was rendered weak by a civil war loss, so much that he couldn't protect his interests anylonger.

Well spoken my dear brother. Chukwu gozie gi.

HopeAtHand:
An Ikwerre proverb says "If we keep explaning how war was fought, we might find ourselves fighting another war again"

Honourhim, that proverb is for you.

A proverb in Igbo says - atuo asi otutu oge o dizie ka o bu eziokwu. Meaning that - when a lie is told several times it will now appear like the truth.

The lies that your fathers have told you severally have now appeared like the truth to you people. None of you can stop our progress. Keep operating on lies that does not lead to success in life.

Igboid:
He is an Ijaw man. Every inconsequential ethnic group in deep south, now feels they can define for Ndiigbo who is and isn't Igbo. Not only do we have to bear the insolence from the North and Yorubas, we now have to bear it from them. Can you imagine?

My dear brother, Ochu nwa okuko nwe ada, nwa okuko nwe mwemwe oso.

Igboid:
If you have any documented evidence of Ndiigbo overlording other non Igbo ethnicities in the Eastern region Post it here.

If you have evidence of Igbos printing Bread to mock Hausas after the Jan coup led by Nzeogwu, post it here. Remember also that Nzeogwu though a bonafide Igbo man was not from the East, but from the mid west.

All the stories your parents told you about Igbos were all lies and non of them are evidence backed. They lied to you to avoid accepting the fact that they were lazying about, when the average Igbo man was toiling in his farm to send his sons to school, get enough money to acquire property and become actively involved in the local politics.

It was all too easy to blame the Igbo man for their woes than to accept their inadequacies before their children and advise them to learn the importance of hardwork and communal spirit in moving their communities forward from Igbo.

Good submissions.

Adaure4ever:
What is wrong with you dumbheads, Ikwerres are NOT Igbos, leave them na.
You IPOBs are embarrasing Igbos, why opening another thread about them?
You guys are just annoying! Leave them alone 4 heaven sake.
@OP. SHAME ON YOU.

First, count me out of your IPOB. If you go thru my past posts you will see a thread i opened sometime ago stating my stand on Biafra issue.

Secondly if you go thru my past posts again you will see that i'm not one of those igbos who claim that Ikwerre are igbos and this post is not making such claim.
The issues raised here is what Ikwerre people proudly say and there is nothing wrong in addressing it.
It's quite a shame that you responded to my post without reading it. Learn to read before reacting to a post. Thanks.

Ojiofor:
Ikwerre fathers told their children all kind of lies against Igbos to justify their shameful act of living in a stolen property.

Exactly what i was going to reply him.

Imagine people that stole our properties from us now opening their mouth to make a baseless assertion.
Truly their fathers used those lies to cover the attrocities they committed against us. But has that helped them any better? No.

1shortblackboy:
i know for a fact that ikwerres or other niger delta people dont have any problem or hate igbo people infact 3 out of every 5 niger delta people has an igbo mother or grandmother so dont get it twisted d igbos are not hated. D only issue they have with igbos is the tendency of igbos to tag every and anyone as igbo if they have any cultural exchange with d igbos. Pls be guided o

Forget about Niger Delta and face your Ikwerre. The post i made here is not directed at Niger Delta so don't confuse issues here.