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chisombenedicta:
Many want to spend their eternity in heaven not because they really love God, but for the fear of hell fire.

So whats your point? People should do hard man and go to hell or what?

edogho:
olaadegbu, spreading untruth since ides 15bce. if d righteous get everlasting life, simple logic should tell u that d unrighteous will get d exact opposite, that is if u agree that everlasting life is a gift. refer to 2thes 1:6-9. that portion of d bible will give u a glimpse of what the second death spoken of in revelation entails. oya correct ursef now and listen to Canticles

God's love and judgment are eternal. The one you choose is the one you ll face. The attributes of God are eternal. Making people believe that his love is eternal while his judgment is not eternal is a height of deceit.

CANTICLES:
@ OP answer this .... 1 If there is an afterlife , why the need for a Resurection ?? , 2. Ressurection is for the dead NOT the living , why do people who are already living in heaven or hell need a resurection ?? .... 3 . " there is going to be a ressurection of the righteous and Unrighteous" Act 24:15 , why would God ressurect the unrighteous if they are presently in hell as religion claim ?? 4 for someone to be tormented, he has to be conscious, are the dead conscious (ecc 9:5) ?? 5 for sinners to be tormented in fire, they must be living , will God grant the GIFT of everlasting life to sinners OR they will perish as clearly stated in John 3:16??

You like twisting the scripture deceiving your own self.

IWillSucceed:
The best answer for the Op question is goes thus: Is it just for the righteous to inherit eternal life for just 70,80 years of righteousness? If God must award eternal life for the righteous for their short time of earthly righteousness,then justice demands He rewards eternal punishment for earthly short time of unrighteousness.

You are simply right.

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benega:
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I'm still waiting to see your reply to this guy below.

vooks:
Nonsense.
1.What's the make/ model of the device am using now?
2.When and for how much was it acquired?
3.What's my passport number?
4. What's my birthday?
Answer those four and then tell me my problem

yungEX:
buhahahhahhahahahhahahaahahahHahahahhahahahhahahaaaahahahaahahahahabahhahahahahaahhahahahahahhahahahaahhhaha


I PRAY U DIE IN UR MISERY-

Bro this is wrong pls. This doesn't call for what are doing now. Even those who abused Christ he still prayed God to forgive them at the cross. Stephen did same for those who stoned him. Pls watch it. Thanks.

frustratedman:
He lost every war against the misfortunes of those who believes in him. I am living testimony. He has failed me many times and I have nothing left. He is just a lazy arrsee and powerless as a stone. Fvking basstard God. I hate God

Since you stared abusing God have you become rich? Calm down bros. All hope is not lost. God will still show you mercy but calm down. What you are doing now is a fruitless effort pls.

frank317:
i pray u die in your ignorance and delusion.

You are an atheist, who are you praying to? You dey deceive yourself bro.

benega:
bro take care of ur temper issues and everything will settle itself. Instead of paying that tithe 2 church why not use the money to help people that genuinely need the money #food 4 tought.

. Which temper? Which tithe? You no talk nothing bro.

I have issue

paxonel:
that Scripture is not talking about rapture, we have proved it before. it is talking about the day we will die, we all will die someday, to we Christians, death is like twinkling of the eye (like blinking the eye, close and open again less than a second ) and we will be alive again, this time, with a new body as a new born baby in the womb of another woman.
the sound of the trumpet there is like calling us, using trumpet, that our time has reached to die, our life has ended, so death is the end,it is actually a sleep(during which there will be judgement,as it is appointed once for men to die,after that,judgement)
but we will come back to life again just a matter of less than one seconds,after the judgement, to continue our eternal life here on earth
we have proved all that before, read that 1cor 15 down and understand the whole chapter

The way you people twist the scripture is quite pathetic. You people think that the scripture will fulfill in line with your interpretation. Wake up bro. Dont be afraid of the coming our Lord Jesus rather prepare yourself.

kay29000:
I went to see my parents today, and my aunt (who is staying with them temporally) came back from church when I was there. And she said she had to leave the church when the pastor told her all Muslims are going to hell. I am non-religious, so I am always furious when I hear stuff like that. I would rather burn in hell (even though I don't believe in hell) with the billions of Muslims, than be enjoying in a mythical heaven knowing that some good people are burning somewhere.

I was surprised that my Christian parents were also angry with the pastors statement. It was only my born again christian cousin that stood by the pastor's words. So, what do you guys think of this? Do you think all Muslims are going to hell?

Though the preacher was too blunt yet what he said is not wrong.
Jesus is the way to heaven. Even the quran mentions the name of Jesus much more than that of Muhammed.
The quran described Jesus as the word of God.
The quoran recognized the miracles of Jesus.
The quran recognized the death, ressurection ,ascencion and second coming of Jesus.
The quran recognized the mother of Jesus and the virgin birth.
The quran called Jesus a prophet.

The bible does not recognize Muhammed.
The many wonderful and mysterious things written about Jesus in the quaran ware not written about Muhammed.

The quran honoured Jesus. The bible also honoured Jesus. I believe Jesus. He is truly the way, the truth and the life.

candy:
Don't mind me, I didn't check the date...thought you posted today

I charge you for false accusation. Receive three knOcks on your head- kpo kpo kpo..... Now go and sin no more.

paulGrundy:
Out of over 100,000 religions in the world, one of them must be the truth, don't be too hasty to jump into conclusions.

Why are you wasting time trying to convince people that there is God? We ve passed this stage in nairaland long ago. Pls don't take us backwards. Just preach the word and keep moving. Its not everybody that will enter heaven. It is whosoever will.

lonelydora:
Thank you.

Thanks bro.

lonelydora:
Is like this Seun guy is a muslim

He is an atheist but don't bother yourself about nairaland. Just do your post and keep moving. Cheers.

That2:
A very foolish reason if you ask me! Any sane man who hears this should move even further away from this egocentric, jealous, most wicked god. What about babies born with a hole in the heart or without limps or the millions of Africans dying of starvation? Your god put them in that condition waiting for them to call on his name and then he will popup from nowhere with a miracle. Attention starve god! !

Do you know what it means to be a creator?

lonelydora:
Why is it that any topic about Islam on front page usually goes with Islam creed before you comment Our Christian topics has no creed on them and it makes non-Christians to insult us.


Moderators please do the needful, what is good for the goose also good for the gander.

I rest my case.

Nairaland has not impacted positively to the christian world. Some christians came here and were either deceived into atheism or some other kind of belief. Don't worry yourself about whether we are in front page or not and whatever surrounds it. NaIraland has no positive impact to play in christianity.

vickyO:
Your soon is getting too long... How soon will you die? E don tay wey I chop burial rice......

My dear ask him o. . People here don't seem to know how this guy operates.

Ajibam:
Be sensible for once

I'm suprised you believe the OP. Seems you don't know his track record.

Its really very annoying to see churches doing this. Sometimes I ask myself whether people in those churches are fools. Don't they know they are disturbing the peace of others?

Churches should just keep their activity in a way it will not disturb outsiders.

May be people should begin to call the police to intervene.

ayando:
Jesus became flesh to understand how we feel as humans. He went through pain, sufferings, hunger and everything the flesh can suffer and overcame. This is to set as an example for His followers.

One thing you must know is God is not an autocrat. If he was, He would never given us the free will to choose.

Why are you wasting your time arguing with an atheists who insults your believe? Avoid any atheist that insults your believe. There are some of them that dont do it, discuss with those ones.

CANTICLES:
What is he saying , is that the answer to the question I asked !! Ur conscience is tellin you that your answer to that question may expose u ,

You are the one that his conscience is worrying. You are afraid of hell that's why you chose to massage your emotions with your false teaching.

That's why you are madly opening similar threads here and there as if that will change what is on ground.

If you can't believe the teachings of Jesus on this issue then you be wayo.

CANTICLES:
.... Nothing is on ground , every creature dies , " for He (God) well knows how we are formed, remembering that WE ARE DUST " !!! PSALM 103:14 ., remove the wool from ur eyes ; who is the "YOU" in genesis 3:19 ??

You are just deceiving yourself. I ve quoted verses to show you your errors in a similar thread but you chose to wallow in your false teachings.

davien:
so their actions before their deaths entailed something beyond life?....elaborate please..

Yea, quite a good number of cases and Its better seen than told.

davien:
apologies for your younger brother....i've witnessed the deaths of a lot of my relatives.......and nearing death the body does what it does best.....try to keep the brain active.....oxygen deprivation and neurones firing off within the brain cause a lot of weird things....even in the living oxygen deprivation through auto-er.otic asphyxiation can lead to extreme euphoria...

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Thanks bro. I do not intend to argue with you on this issue because we all will die someday. I just want to clarify the points i made. What i'm talking about is not what happened at the hour of death and the struggle/pain surrounding it. Some of these people died in accidents on the spot, some were not sick at all but died suddenly, some were also sick. The mysteries that surrounded their actions, the words of their mouth some days before their death(I mean before the accident or whatever that killed them) are things one cant have time enough to tell. But they are mysteries that makes the reality of the after life obvious to whoever that witnessed such things.

davien:

[b] For many years when i was a theist i held such things as true also but when you take a closer look objectively....its a convolution of sorts....
results of alleged ndes' experiences varies throughout history....and are mostly influenced by culture....beliefs...society...and even suggestive messages affect and produce nde's……… i bet you wouldn't believe me if i told you people become atheists after nde's just like the reverse cases you are used to hearing.....the thing is i can't suddenly say "aha,that means blah blah blah"..as you are presenting to me right now...

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May be you are looking at afterlife as a one room where everybody that enters it will have the same story to tell. Even here on earth, someone in Nigeria cannot have exact story to tell as someone in the USA will tell. Yet the after-life is far much more than here. Whether we have same story to tell is not the issue i"m raising but the fact that a lot of people of different religion have experienced this. Even if i would doubt them, i wont doubt the one of the atheists (both whites and blacks) who have experienced it and today they are no more atheists. Some of these atheists were born into the families of atheists. I have witnessed some of these happenings live and have also heard or read about some of them too.

CANTICLES:
Genesis 3:19 reads " in the sweat of YOUR face YOU will eat bread until YOU return to the Ground, for out of it YOU were taken. For Dust YOU are and to dust YOU will return" ..... But som pple will tell you that this verse refer to Adam's Flesh only to prove religious afterlife:::: but the question remains: WHO IS THE YOU IN THIS VERSE ?

Engaging in foolish debate over this issue is a waste of precious time. Experience is the best teacher. Dont worry yourself, when you die(as we all will die someday), you will know whether you have believed and preached a lie or not. And I pity you if when you leave this world you discover that there is actually an afterlife, then sorry for you. Engaging in series of argument will not change what is on ground so why waste our time?

davien:
Among most if not all religions has come the promise of prolonged or everlasting life.....but how do we know this to be true?
how do we know with 100% accuracy that this is true?
For most people it is true because a book says so...
For others it is true because they can't fathom an only mortal life...
For the others still... they have convinced themselves of it being true...
Here lies the question.....when what you believe cannot be taken as true on its own merits but through unsourced and unfalsify-able ways and then passed on to others especially children as 100% accurate....is it indistinguishable from deceit?

If you ve witnessed the mysterious events that took place within the dying period of some people(christians, muslims, athiests etc) you will know that this world is not the end of life. I have witnessed a lot of them personally, including that of my younger brother who died some years ago.

Again if you ve heard testimonies of those who had near death experience across the globe (christians, atheists, muslims , budhists, traditionalists), you will know that life doesnt end here on earth. I have witnessed such testimonies face to face with those that experienced it. I ve also read some of the testimonies both online and offline.


Bro, life is larger than you think. I am not forcing you to believe but your unbelief doesnt change anything. Even if i decide to agree with you, it still does not change the truth about this mystery.

plaetton:
I am just using you own words, otherwise I would asked from which biological family did guys like you evolve from.

You are lying. You used the word because the truth of it is so obvious to you. Just that you conciously decided to deceive yourself by denying its reality.

timawoku:
I puzzle when I read about people who call themselves atheist, tell stories about how there is no God and how religion is but a gimmick to hypnotize the masses into being controlled by a few, now here are the reasons why you can't be an atheist:

*hope: who gave you the right to hope? Hope is supposed to be meant for people who believes in a supernatural turn of events, if you hope, your sub consciousness believes in a superior effect (check le chateliers principle, in this case, you have denied yourself of belief of an external effect).
*burials: you should not attend burial ceremonies, afterall, the dead has gone into oblivion and you should move on immediately, no need to celebrate a dead person.
*last respect: why should you pay respect to someone that has gone into oblivion?
*goodluck: you should not believe in any luck as you believe in a system generated by incidences.
*ghost: if you believe in ghosts, you are wrong
*if you live and/ work in some countries like USA, you are wrong (in God they trust,remember?) You should go to an isolated village or forest and be with mother nature (then again, you shouldn't even believe in nature)
*uncertainty: this is an unknown risk, you should be sure of anything now that you have termed yourself a 'mini' god
*happiness: you should not be entitled to this also, largely because happiness is a state of mind beyond any scientific reasoning and fact, you should exist like an amoeba, devoid of emotion.
*love: what reasons do you have to love? It is not scientific and as you don't believe in metaphysical, you should not love, love is unseeable
*socialize: why should you socialize? This creates a feeling of 'belonging' which is not reasonable as socializing makes you join groups which you somewhat understand and have reassurances about (with time) thereby believing in them, then again, who are you to believe in anyone? You are an atheist remember?

Very good one. Let me also add that atheists shouldn't hate, they shouldn't be angry after all we don't see these things.

timawoku:
you obviously did not send a message

You don't understand him yet bro. A stone has no emotion, no hope, no happiness. That captures how atheists should be because they are just existing. I believe that's what he means.