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chinedumo: Frosbel follows the path of jehovah's witness on this.

Hence the disbelief in eternal torments is also tradition and feel good' emotionalizm

Am just seeing feel good emotionalizm in his teaching. Never seen a convincing presentation inspite of the numerous quotations that laced his defence/teaching. For now his stand here is false, false and false until otherwise proven.

Ok u r talking to alexleo but I don't see bad in that advice pls.

OLAADEGBU: What has the doctrine of hell got to do with tradition? And why do you have to type in uppercases, what are you angry about?

frosbel: ^^

I am not a Pastor

I am simply a 'small fry' who has recently decided to examine the scriptures for MYSELF not according to Pastor A or Pastor B or any particular church's doctrine.

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I like your humility though but you cannot also claim that your own research outcome is very correct.
I ll rather believe the outcome of the studies of the churches you are condemning because I believe they ll have forums where they delibrate on biblical issues with everyone making input than the outcome of your one man study which may at one time or the other be propelled by your whims and caprices.
If soul and body are the same how come Acts 2:31 seperated them? Jesus too seperated them when he said do not fear him(man) who destroys only the body but fear him(God) who can destroy both soul and body in hell?
How come you use the biblical portion that says that there will be no night in the new heaven and the new earth to cancel the portions that says that the angels will watch satan and his cohorts in the lake of fire? Did the bible say that the lake of fire will be in the same new heaven and the new earth. Each of those places and the events that will take place in them shows that of different environment so why do u talk as is lake of fire is just like a large container in the new earth where whatever that is happening in the new earth prevails there too.
Or did the bible tell you that the lake of fire will be in this earth so that when God shall wipe out the heaven and earth to create a new one then the lake of fire is wiped out?
Again how come you people are placing a limit on the word "forever" when it actually has no limit? These are what I call desperate attempts.
Hope u know am not arguing with you. We are just rubbing minds on the scriptures so keep it going that way but also bear in mind that am a learner.

@frosbel,
Your answer to ken4christ does not hold water at all. It still sounds like those desperate attempts you pastors make to deceive us. See the way he addressed all your issues. And when someone is dismantling your points you people will quickly bring in pagan myth accusation. Una dey try. As for your reply to me, you just said nothing meaningful than the same desperate attempt.

@ken4christ,
Thanks for this beautiful exposition you made and may God bless you. The way Frosbel is busy gathering scriptures here and there to drive his point, obviously tells me he is just wrong. This exactly is the way pastors who deceive the congregation into parting with their hard earned money go gathering bible quotations anyhow just to convince us to give. One thing I cannot do is to joke with the message of my eternal destiny and as such I can't believe frosbel. Those who likes sweet messages can believe for all I care. What shall it profit me to believe him only to see when I die that his message is false. How then do I get chance to come back to life and change the false believe. And I lose my soul to hell just like that? God forbid.

GEJ is trying and another good thing is that he doesn't engage in media hype like some governors do. Just like Sullivan in Enugu who works but doesn't make noise about it.

glowithdan: Its a shame, we still talk about (re)construction of roads, in 2013! When fund spent on it already is enough to put up car/plane/machines and tools producing factories!

I wonder when we'll wake up from our stupidity and face reality!!

My friend you are just making noise. The most important thing is that things are being put in place now than before. You count one before you count two so go and deal with your silly feelings.

frosbel: "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." - 2 Corinthians 9:7

This is it.

inurmind: Care to give details?

You are an atheist while he needs men of God.

I disagree with you pls. This is a forum where we rub minds concerning our belief. Anonny just stated his belief that smoking cigarete isnt bad. it is now left for those of who see it as bad to state our points, which we have done. Anybody who is desirous of the truth will see it and know that this is the truth. But those who want to hear cheap word of God (which are usually filled with lies) will go with anonny's lies. (and i mean lies on this issue). He is not an agent of the devil pls. He may be misled by the devil to have a false understanding on this issue thats why i said he should be careful in what he is supporting and spreading because we all we give account of what we preached at the judgement throne. Bros lets always bear the fruits of the spirit. God will help us.

FXKing2012: I've come to the conclusion that mr_anony is a false teacher misleading people which is why atheists agree with him.

Imagine him saying smoking and consuming alcohol is not bad. These are substances so dangerous to the body that even governments and unbelievers preach against them while a "Christian" who should operate on a even higher standard is advocating for such dangerous substances.
The eeeeeeediot even equated cigarette and tattoo to food and water. Doesnt that tell you he even lacks wisdom as much as he's confused? Just imagine him teaching such in his church...

I unequivocally and without mincing words declare that mr_anony an agent of the devil out to mislead people. Remember the Bible says in the last days such people will abound and they will appear like agents of light deceiving people - even the very elect.

Logicboy03: See this bible remixer! What is the difference between a scar and a tattoo? My friend has a scar from an iron that looks like a tattoo! Or the Yoruba people that have tribal marks will go to hell abi?


When they say "our body is the temple of the lord", it is not literal. It doesnt mean the human body, rather what we do with our lives.

If it was literal, people with scars, tribal marks, scars from surgeries that they chose etc, are now evil

can you see that you know the bible but you just allowed satan to deceive you by being an atheists. My friend, you dont have excuse before God. May God save your soul. Amen.

Joagbaje: It doesn't matter how it sounds. What counts is the source. Either it's rabarababa o or borororo . so far as its from the depth within. So it's not in the sound but in the power activated

and when its from the spirit of God the difference is very clear. Except if you havent experienced it.
All these ones you people speak now sounds more like ritualists incantations. And its almost the same incantation from brother A to sister B to pastor C. The language of the spirit is clear, distinct and sweet. it comes with humility. its not used for showmanship like the way the so called speaking in tongues is being displayed in most churches, gospel music album and sermons.

ijawkid: And may I join in this discussion by saying equating FOOD with body mutilation or tattooing doesn't fit too.....because you have been using pauls mention of food to drive home your point why a christian getting a tattoo isn't wrong......food is a staple commodity tatto-ing is not....infact tattooing is useless...........there isn't any moral ground that would justify a christian with a complete bible trained conscience to go get tattoos........
No early 1st century Christian would run to go get tattoos thinking God would like it......only pagans drew tattoos on the bodies........


......Jesus dying for us does not mean we should do what ever we like thinking its all gonna bring praise to GOD.........our Body is so much important to GOD......we live for GOD and for his son and not for our selfish cravings.......

And may God bless you for this.

Ubenedictus: dis wasnt even among their points. They didnt even mention "private jet" in their letter to CAN.

Even if it was one of their points they are not wrong. Why should CAN ask them to pull out? Is that the way good leadership should operate? I dont see anything wrong yet about catholics stand on this issue except i ll see it tomorrow. Until then, catholic is on the right track.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]My friend do you mean to tell me that if I preach to a young native Swahili girl who walks around n[color=#000000]ake[/color]d as part of their culture, that the Holy Spirit won't work with her because she is n[color=#000000]ake[/color]d? I don't think so.

In fact I will go on to say that if Jesus had not been Jewish but was ancient Igbo, he would most probably have walked around dressed in nothing more than a loincloth and his mother Mary (or maybe her name in this case would be Amaka) would have also walked around to[color=#000000]ple[/color]ss.

The point is that the gospel as much as it is steeped in Jewish culture, it is not Jewish culture. Christ by far transcends nationalities and cultures. Please don't reduce Him to petty cultural observations and customs.[/quote]God is interested in we covering our unclothedness. See Genesis 3:21- The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Oh no, I don't dismiss anything in that passage carelessly at all. I am just categorizing them appropriately. You and I will both agree that tattooing falls into the same category of outward appearances like shaving hair, joining different fabrics and sowing different seed. We both know that it is the God inside that matters and not the outward appearances.

This tattoo business is very similar to the Jewish disciples who were trying to enforce circumcision in the new testament church. Having a tattoo or not having a tattoo does not affect your standing with God in any way. The only reasons why one might not get a tattoo is for the sake of conscience due to cultural background and for the sake of other brethren who may equate tattoing to sin. As for tattoos in themselves, there is absolutely nothing wrong with them.[/quote]The bible said that our body is the temple of the living God. Dont you think the owner of the temple will be interested how the temple is being kept? I think we shouldnt be quick in dismissing things done with our body with the statement- God looks in the heart.
Yes God looks in the heart. Before the man went for the tattoo, he first of all thought about it and had reasons in his heart why he wants to tattoo (which usually has much to do with lust of the flesh) and of course God sees the thoughts of his heart and judges him accordingly. This goes for every other thing we do in life as children of God(including our dressing). Not only tattoo. when you dress to kill, or appear hot or seductive etc, God sees the intents of your heart and judges accordinly. God looks in the heart because the heart is the centre of every action we take in life. Before you do anything you first conceive it in your heart. It is very easy for us as human beings to say that we did something out of our plain mind whereas in our hearts we actually did not do it out of plain mind thats the more reason why God looks in our heart more than our outward. The heart is where the true picture is. God not looking at our outward does not mean that we are free to appear anyhow or do things anyhow.

Logicboy03: For once I agree with you!

then am afraid.

Goshen360: @ honourhim,

Thanks so much for the indepth contributions. However, in my Op if you read. I mentioned that the tongues in Acts 2 was a well known tongues that was understood by men present.

There's also a praying tongues as revealed in 1 Cor. 14: 2 and 14. It is the tongues with which we talk to God for NO ONE understands such and it is UNKNOWN or NOT UNDERSTOOD by anyone except God, not even the one that prays/speaks in tongues.

I agree with you my brother but according to that verse 2, it says by the spirit. once the speaking comes by the spirit of God thats ok. But this sherimamamama, dorimamamama and oroboskata stuff that people are parading today as speaking in tongues(which of course they learnt from pastors and ministers) are not part of it.

brokoto: I have not watched it, not because I don't want to but because I can't. I'm using a mobile phone now and my laptop is unavailable at the moment
I'll surely watch it but not now. In the meantime if you have any other contributions not involving youtube videos kindly bring it/them here. Thanks

You may be sincere in what you want to find out so I advice you patiently watch the clips because this is a historical evidence which are still there till today for all to see. take a trip to isreal and you see for yourself. If Jesus was still in the grave, our hope in him woud ve been in vain but thank God he is alive. Not only the bible confirms this but history also has its evidence. You can also make use of a cyber cafe if you have a good one around you. Thanks.

Acts2:1-11.
1.And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

The above biblical portion clearly explains the issue of speaking in tongues which is a sharp contrast to what we see in churches today as speaking in tongues.
First the apostles were desirous of the the promise of the comforter to be fulfiled.
Secondly, when the Holy Spirit came he gave them utterances to speak in tongues as recorded in verse 4.
Thirdly, the language they spoke were languages of different people as recorded from verse five down.
people of different countries/nations and tribes heard them speak their languages and wondered at it.
The truth is that most of today's christians are so lazy to honestly and earnestly seek to experience some of these things in their lives. The church these days is always creating short cut for their members hence the nonsense they speak now and call it speaking in tongues.
All of them are speaking the same sherimamama, ribabababbaba, santoriririiri and all the nonsense. Compare it to what the apostles experienced when they received the Holy Ghost and you will see that these people are joking. In the church i attend we are taught to earnestly seek for the Holy Ghost and i can tell you that several times i have witnessed those who were praying and received the Holy Ghost. when it happens you ll see the person who for example might be a Yoruba or Igbo person speaking Hausa or Efik or another known language. I mean new comers and old members who earnestly pray for the Holy Ghost. In our annual international convention in the USA you ll see white people speaking Efik, Igbo, Yoruba etc when they receive the Holy Ghost.
Not what we see today where christians memorize one rubbish and be speaking it.
you see somebody coming straight from the market jumps into the church and immediately joins others to speak ribababababbab, domamamamamama. nonsense.
Any child of God that wants to experience the real speaking in tongues should sincerely go to God in prayer. Ask him to give you the holy ghost. When you experience it, you will hate what you see in churches today as speaking in tongues.
I am a living testimony that what is recorded in acts 2;1-11 is still happening in our own time. When i went to God in prayer, i told him that i truly needed to experience the Holy Ghost in my life as recorded in the case of the apostles. I continued in the prayer for quite some time and i was really determined that i wasnt going to stand up from the prayer until i receive the Holy Ghost yet i had a very strong faith in me that 'whatever God has promised, he is able to perform'. As i continued in prayer, i felt such an ocean of joy like the type i had when i received salvation. Then i noticed that my tongue was speaking another language which was different from the one i was praying with. somehow shocked at this discovery, i shut my mouth so as to revert back to the original language i was praying with but when i open my mouth to continue with the original language i still continued with the other one. And of course i had that assurance in me that THIS IS IT. Yes this was the experience i was looking for. Since then till now, each time i go deep in prayer, i experience this.
I dont know where today's church learnt the one they are parading today as speaking in tongues.
How can pastor tell the church to speak in tongues and you see all of them repeating the same lines that they ve learnt from each other? You dont learn speaking in tongues. Pastor cannot tell you to speak in tongues. He has no such right, it is the Holy Ghost that gives the utterance. Again you dont just jump into a prayer session and start speaking in tongues. you must pray and establish a clear link with heaven before you experience the holy ghost in that dimension. Your heart environment must truly be prepared for the holy ghost. He doesnt come into people anyhow.
Some churches even have school of speaking in tongues. Na wa o.
I dont even understand what some people here are confusing themselves with praying in tongues and speaking in tongues. its part of the lazy inventions of today's church.
Speaking in tongues can only come as the holy spirit give utterances and when apostle Paul talked about interpretation it clearly shows he was refering to speaking in tongues as experienced by the apostles in Acts 2;1-11 where they spoke other people's languges. Any other thing besides this i consider it as lazy inventions of today's church. If we should stop being lazy and quit looking for short cuts, we ll prove some of these experiences of the apostles in our lives as christians.

honey001: Point of correction, all sins will lead to hell if one fail to repent from them all.

yeah, you are right. Sin originated from satan and God can never identify with it. He has no need to do so because "the blood of Jesus christ his son clenaseth us from ALL sin".(1 John 1:7) If one now fails to make use of the availability of the blood of Jesus when he has sinned then he has him/herself to blame.

Lght situation in Enugu has been 70% good. With this i think it may hit 90 to 95% good. At least they did well by informing us earlier. Shows that they are improving.

Ola one: O ga oo, Odunnu.
Always there for Chime. I wouldn't know why though

Because he is a governor that is really working in Enugu State yet he doesnt make noise. unlike what we see in abia state where Orji's picture hang everywhere including at the refuse dump.

tattoo is not decent for a child of God. i dont even see any thing that is worth desiring about it. Our body is the temple of God and i think we should be careful how we handle the temple. we shouldnt be too fast in pursuing whatever that is in vogue.