Nairaland is riddled with tribalism and hatred. It's the owners I'm sorry for. They are allowing people sow seeds of discord and calamity.

Sore losers

over foolish sef

CosmoDroid:
I know, I will not leave this world without my consciousness being transferred to my clone or a biological robot of my preference. I can't take chances at Afterlife.

My Avatar Ego must live on, in 3D.

I will ensure its deleted

Poverty is a socio-economic problem brought upon people by politics.

There's a special romance btw poverty and religion

You must be god or something

alBHAGDADI:


Read malachai 3

You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing Me, this whole nation!
MALACHI 3:9 AMP
https://bible.com/bible/1588/mal.3.9.AMP

Nation here concerns Israel. Are you an Israelite?

You have been educated about this severally in your first fruit thread.

I'm convinced that you are only trying to save your means of livelihood.

Tithing is a religious something and it won't help your cause of eternal life in heaven. What you are practicing is Religion. And you have abandoned the Good News.

You don't know God because why would God punish a believer saved by the blood of Jesus for not tithing. Any no curse for another believer for just lying.

Love and the Holy Spirit is the core of Christianity. If you like raise the dead, speak different languages, heal the sick but you don't have love, there's no heaven for you.

Keep tithing.

Since not tithing won't keep me from heaven. Let God punish me on earth but I'm sure according to you that ...Yet what we suffer now is nothing compared to the glory he will reveal to us later.
Romans 8:18 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.8.18.NLT

Keep your threats to yourself. Worst the devourer will come for me. The devourer is nothing but money worshipping evil people in this country like you that don't do what's right. That care only about what they will eat today and have no love of Christ in them.

I spit on your thread.

Nonsense

alBHAGDADI:


If you don't pay tithe but believe in Jesus, heaven is sure for you. But God will punish you here on Earth for not paying tithe.

I'll like to see this stated in the Bible.

God is so loving, that he'll punish me for not paying tithe and bless another who didn't believe in him for not paying tithe?

Please don't beat about the bush and answer my question.

alBHAGDADI:


Do atheists pay tithe?

Answer my question first.

alBHAGDADI:


If you don't pay tithe but believe in Jesus, heaven is sure for you. But God will punish you here on Earth for not paying tithe.

God is so loving, that he'll punish me for not paying tithe and bless another who didn't believe in him for not paying tithe?

alBHAGDADI:


Sorry dude, you don't just create a silly table with nothing under.

Kindly place 20 laws in each of those tables and see how far you will go with the falsehood you've been deceived with.

You even said tithing falls under judicial commandment meant for Israel alone. The tithing Abraham and Jacob paid, were they under Israel? You just copied the above trash from a link someone posted on this thread and you think you now have a point. You know nothing dude.

Alubagdaddy

If I don't pay tithe. I'll not go to heaven abi?

NoSidonLook:


I bet the so-called customer doesn't have a son who crashes a 50 million naira power bike

Or a wife who wears jewelries worth millions and whose CSO stole billions from her

Buhari remains the biggest hypocrite of a President this country has ever produced...at least Abacha didn't even hide under the guise of being a saint...he himself knew he was evil

there will be great jubilations when Buhari finally vacates that seat than when he forcefully took it

There's no 50million naira worth of power bike ever

alBHAGDADI:


Funny man.
.How do you claim you love God when you disobey is commandments?

Examples: Don't bow down to idols, don't covet, don't have sex with a kin, don't wear woman's clothes etc?

But according to you, you do t need to obey those laws, just have love. Jesus said if you love him you will keep his commandments. How can you say you have LOVE when such love doesnt involve keeping God's commandments?

Christians have broken the 613 Commandments into three categories for nearly two thousand years:

The Judicial Commandments, on how Israel should run herself as a civil state were only valid for Israel. They may or may not be valid if your country’s government enacts similar laws. They have no moral standing one way or the other. (Tithing falls under here)

The Ceremonial Commandments, like nailing a Mezuzah to the lintel, wearing tassels, men covering their head while praying, keeping Kosher, and circumcising male infants. These commandments were all foreshadowing the Messiah. To obey them now would be to state your belief that the Messiah had not come and you were still awaiting him. Thus it has been a serious sin to obey any of these commandments and think that in them you are saving yourself. (Sacrifices fall under here)

The Moral Commandments : ie: the Ten Commandments- these are based on our natures and are universal. They are valid for all men at all times, and thus are the ones that Christ concentrated on and taught, and expanded for His Church. (Love God and your neighbor)

I'm confident you don't understand this, no scratch that, I'm confident you will reject this. You are simply adamant and you cannot reason. You lack understanding. Don't worry there're plenty of mugu for you to ensnare. Mugu no dey finish.

My happiness is that someone with see this and have that veil removed and have understanding.

Shalom bagdaddy

alBHAGDADI:


The problem you have with the option is tithing which it mentioned.

Take away tithing and examined the rest. You still won't succeed in rubbish it.

Tithing is the Koko of your teachings.

The Gospel of God wants you to be rich on Earth right now. That's the focus of your kind of teaching while ignoring the Koko of Christ's teachings. Love. The New Commandment to "love one another" which, according to the Bible, was given as part of the final instructions to his disciples.

Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you. 34 A NEW COMMANDMENT I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. —John 13:33–35 (KJV; emphasis added)

The ten commandments is the same as the new commandment

Love God, Love your neighbor

(First 4) Love God, (last 6) Love your neighbor.

Many laws in the old testament are redundant. Reason: you can't keep all of them. The ten commandments however are based on love. You can't break one without breaking the rest.

Love is the centre of The message of Christ not keeping old testament laws.

The spirit of God will teach you how to love.

Everything you do in Christianity is waste of energy without love. If you like speak all the languages of the world, raise the dead, heal the sick but if you don't have love. No eternal life for you.

God is love that's why love is absolute in Christianity. Faith will take you to heavens gate, love will take you in.

My dear bagdaddy

Keeping commandments is not the Koko.

Love is the Koko

Be perfect like your father in heaven is perfect.

You can't miss it with love.

Cheers bagdaddy

alBHAGDADI:


This thread is too hot for them to handle, so they resort to anger.

It's useless trying to talk sense into you.

Those who believe without reason are impossible to convince with reason.

Cheers. Prosperity Gospel and Mammon Peddler

alBHAGDADI:
There's currently a movement out there which wants Christians to throwaway the old testament part of the Bible and just stick with the new testament alone. Those behind this movement are mostly those against tithing. They say we are not to obey old testament laws because Christ has freed us from the law. They say those who obey the old testament laws are under a curse. Below are their favourite verses

Galatians 3:10 KJV
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

They quote the above verses when you tell them that tithe is very much relevant today as it was in the days of the children of Israel. They immediately quote tonnes of old testament laws which are very difficult to follow, and tell you that you simply want them to be under the curse of the law if they dare break any of them.

The problem with such people is that they don't understand the Bible because they lack the Holy Spirit which guides into all truth. That's why they have thrown away a whole portion of the Bible and have stick with the New Testament. Even the new testament which they claim to follow, they do not believe in it.

Now, is the old testament to be thrown away? No, because it is as good for us today as it was for those of old.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

As seen above, all scripture is profitable for doctrine. It doesn't say the old testament is not profitable nor does it say it is only the new testament that is profitable. It says all scripture. God gave us the old testament so that we can learn a lot from what happened before our time because such lessons will help us during the end times.

1 Corinthians 10:11 KJV
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Now, concerning keeping old testament laws. We are to continue keeping them until Jesus Christ who died on the cross tells us otherwise. Now, he's not going to tell us otherwise because he's already stated what we need in the Bible, we just have to look therein. S, what did Jesus Christ himself said concerning the law? Let's hear him speak.

Matthew 5:17-20 KJV
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


Did you see where Jesus said he has thrown the law into the refuse dump? No, you can't find such. Rather what you'll find is him saying he came to fulfill it. He even said not one jot shall pass away. To show that what he said back in the old testament still stands, he placed a loss on whoever shall break one of the smallest of the commandments and even go ahead to teach men to do the same thing. That's why I pity those who say they won't tithe and go about teaching people against tithing on social media.

You may ask, if the laws of the old testament still stand, how come people no longer offer animal sacrifices and other practices of the old testament like ablution, keeping the Sabbath day etc?

Before I answer those questions, let me first of take you on a ride for understanding. Read the below verses.

Deutoronomy 22:5 KJV
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Leviticus 18:16 KJV
None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the LORD.

Both verses are Old Testament laws against incest and cross-dressing. Now, the people who say we should throw away the old testament and those who say we shouldn't obey the laws of Moses are so foolish in that they do not see the error in their saying. According to them, Jesus Christ has died to set us free. Did he died so that we can now cross-dress like homosexuals and sleep with our sister or mother? An old testament law also says we are not to bow down to idols. What these people are saying is that we can now bow down to idols because Jesus has set us free. These people don't know what Jesus set us free from, they just parrot junks which they heard a social media liar say. They might even say we don't need the law to teach us what is right from wrong because the Holy Spirit living in us will do that for us. That foolish statement made them throw away the old testament. But wait, let's see who the Holy Spirit is:

John 14:26 KJV
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Spirit will bring to remembrance all what Jesus told us in the Bible. Now, how will you be able to remember what Jesus said in the old testament when you've thrown it away? Or don't you know that the entire Bible is about Jesus right from Genesis chapter 1 to the last chapter of Revelations? Jesus speaking:

John 5:54 KJV
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

To be honest with you, it is not every law in the old testament that we are to obey as Christians. But how do we know which to obey from those we aren't to obey? It is by listening to Jesus, listening to what he said back then in the old testament and now in the new testament. That's how we know that the laws on ablution and Sabbath have changed.

Concerning the law against idol worshiping, did Jesus change that the law in the new testament? No he didn't. That's why we still obey that law today. What about cross-dressing and incest? Those laws still stand because he didn't change them.

Now, there are some laws which he changed in the new testament. Remember he stated through Apostle Paul that since the Levitical priesthood changed, there came a change of the law. It doesn't say the law was thrown out, it only says it changed.

Hebrews 7:12 KJV
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The law which talked about not eating certain animals got changed in the new testament when Paul said we can eat all things.

Romans 14:2-13 KJV
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Remember the law against eating blood? That law still stands.

Genesis 9:4 KJV
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Acts 15:29 KJV
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

You see, whatever Jesus doesn't want us to continue with he clearly states it in the new testament. Now, whatever he didn't change about the old testament laws still remains. It means whatever he said back in the old testament must still be followed. If he didn't tell you to stop, you are not to stop. Since he hasn't told you to stop obeying the anti-cross dressing, the incest and so many laws of the old testament, why do you feel you can just wake up ome morning and stop obeying them?

John 14:15 KJV
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Where did Jesus command you that you shouldn't pay tithe any more? You will never find. The closest you find is him even upholding the law on tithing three times in the new testament. Since he hasn't told you to stop, who are you to stop paying tithe? What he said back then still stands and must be obeyed. If you go about disobeying it and telling people to disobey it too, then you will be the least in the Kingdom of God.

For all those who love to say Jesus has set them free from the curse of the law, so they are not going to obey the law, such people don't even understand that particular verse they quote. Jesus didn't set you free from the law so that you won't obey it any more. Rather, he set you free from seeing it as a means to eternal life. If you say you want to make heaven by not sinning at all i.e obeying all the law, then you will end up in hell fire. You will end up there because you can never succeed in obeying the entire law. It even becomes worst for you if you pass all but failed in one. You will be guilty of even the ones you passed.

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Since no man can pass the whole law without failing one, Jesus had to come and make it easy for us to make heaven. He came, passed the law without sinning or failing any. When he died, his righteousness was taken from him and given to us who believe in him, while our sin was given to him.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


All we just have to do now is believe in him and Eternal life is ours.

John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


We are saved by Grace, not by the works of the law.

Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Does that mean since we are saved we can now bow down to idols, commit incest, not pay tithe, coveteousness, steal, cross-dress, murder etc? No, because it will mean we are disobeying the laws of the one who saved us. Guess what? we will receive spanking from him if we do such.

Hebrews 12:6 KJV
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

If you don't want God to keep spanking you, then get back to obeying his commandment which is a sign of love for him.

John 14:15 KJV
If ye love me, keep my commandments.


Obey his laws because he is...

Hebrews 13:8 KJV
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Amen

It's only albagdadi that will want to keep collecting tithe.

We have dealt with tithe in one of your previous threads. You still want to die on this prosperity gospel thing.

alBHAGDADI:


When tithes were given under Mosaic law, was it God that received it or the levitical priesthood? So why say Abraham didn't give his tithe to God when he gave it to his priest Melchizedec?

Tithing is not meant to make you rich but to help prevent all those nonsense devourers that make you spend uselessly.

The first tithe is giving of one tenth of agricultural produce (after the giving of the standard terumah) to the Levite (or Aaronic priests). Historically, during the First Temple period, the first tithe was given to the Levites. ... The Levites, also known as the Tribe of Levi, were descendants of Levi.

Abraham didn't give tithe to God. He didn't give to God through Melchizedek. He gave to Melchizedek. It's there read it up.

You said tithing for blessings (I've addressed that) you still said it's immaterial (I also addressed that). I can't spend uselessly because I have plans for my money. I have a list of important things I set to invest for. It's Simple Money Management. I've never been on an hospital bed, my family are 100% healthy.

The devourers are just this useless country and it's religiously fanatic people like you who wants to keep sleeping.

You lots and your worship of Mammon are the devourers.

alBHAGDADI:


What you just did is to clearly insult God for receiving tithe out of what you say didn't belong to Abraham.

Dear Mr. Tithe Fanatic. I didn't insult God I only destroyed your twisted understanding of Abraham's (no covenant yet) Abram's tithe that it has nothing to do with the mosaic tithing. Unless you are looking for a reward for your religiousness on Earth which won't happen. If you want to be rich go to business school or give money to those in need you'll be blessed. Trust me.

It was Melchizedek that collect Tithe not God. At least you can read for yourself. He gave 10% to Mel, and returned the rest to King of Sodom.

Only thing he took was that his young men were fed.

All your tithing hasn't made you richer. If you want to prove it has made you rich that you have more than enough I dare you to send me a token of one million naira.

I swear I'll start tithing now now now. Yeah, that's right you can't.

Next

And blessed be God Most High, who has defeated your enemies for you.” Then Abram gave Melchizedek a TENTH of all the goods he had recovered. The king of Sodom said to Abram, “Give back my people who were captured. But you may KEEP for yourself ALL the goods you have recovered.” Abram replied to the king of Sodom, “I solemnly swear to the Lord , God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth, that I WILL NOT TAKE SO MUCH AS A SINGLE THREAD OR SANDAL THING FROM WHAT BELONGS TO YOU. Otherwise you might say, ‘I am the one who made Abram rich.’ I will accept only what my young warriors have already eaten, and I request that you give a fair share of the goods to my allies—Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre.”
Genesis 14:20‭-‬24 NLT

Abraham gave only 10% and returned the rest to the king of Sodom.

If we are obligated to follow Abraham we will have to give 10% and return 90% to employers or clients. .

If you really want to be rich go to business school. The only thing you can get from Jesus is the salvation of your soul for the new world he's gone to prepare.

Prosperity Gospel is pure heresy and not what Jesus preached. There is no earthly reward apart from piece of mind about the second coming of Christ.

Do not be deceived.

PDP na Egypt. We cannot go back because we were slaves there.

APC na wilderness. No direction

AAC na promise land.

The only summary that makes sense to the enlightened

BuhariLooter:
As Petroleum minister, buhari has drained Excess crude account on 4 different occasion in 3 years, 7months and set aside N50billion NNPC account to himself. Yet there are no calls for Buhari's resignation and buhari says he is fighting corruption.
* Why were journalists barred from covering 2018 budget presentation by Buhari? Why was there no consultation before presentation of 2018 budget, between the executive vs MDAs and NASS. Till now, Buhari cannot account for N11trillion of 2016, 2017 budget. Where is the money? Yet there are no calls for Buhari to resign and Buhari says he is fighting corruption.
* Just about 10% of 2017 budget had been implemented yet Buhari had sought N8.612trillion for 2018 budget. The public does not know what has happened to funds meant for 2018 budget. Yet there are no calls for Buhari's resignation and buhari says he is fighting corruption.
* CBN confirms Buhari gov’t withdrew $3.2bn from NLNG dividend account in 3 years. Where is the money? Yet there are no calls for Buhari's resignation and buhari says he is fighting corruption.
* FG spend N3.5million monthly to feed El-Zakzaky. This money is noted to be spent daily right now. El-Zakzaky's family had comfirmed that this was a lie but his wife and children cooked for him daily and sometimes they had no money to buy food. Yet there are no calls for Buhari's resignation and buhari says he is fighting corruption.
* Where is the N10.9bn naira budgetary allocation for Aso Rock clinic.

Links please. Let nail him.

alBHAGDADI:


If you believe I can't give 100%, then why are you still discouraging me from giving 10% which I can?

We can never stop calling tithe what it is. As long as no new Testament verse abolished it, then it remains. Trying to remove it is the same as trying to remove the word of God.

Oga you have nothing to say. You are speaking from two sides of your mouth. You don't even understand what you are defending.

I believe I was discussing with someone else who knows better. Go face your god that needs money to bless and protect his creation. Thank you.

alBHAGDADI:

Oh, you didn't know that tithes is similar to tax? I'm glad you know the difference between paying and giving. You pay what you owe while you give what without compulsion. Tithe is paid because you owe it to God. That's why God said you are robbing him in Malachai 3:10.

You claim Christians are to give whatever comes to their mind. That's very wrong to a large extent, especially based on your thinking. But according to Jesus, Christians are to give 100% to him.

Matthew 19:21-26 King James Version (KJV)
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.


You are here complaining that 10% is too much whereas it's 100% Jesus requires from his followers. And of you thinking giving 100% is impossible, read the last verse again.

Bobo stop saying what I didn't say. I never complained about 10%. My concern is 1. we should not call giving in this era tithe because they are different things. 2. It is very possible to give 100% if the Church is operating today like the early Church but you by yourself can you give 100% today. Honest answer please.

Na discussion.

MuttleyLaff:




What is today called alBHAGDADI? What was yesterday called alBHAGDADI? Those names of the day are borrowed ideas from whom and where alBHAGDADI?

Do you now see, what an ignorant and a shameless hypocrite you are, huh? I have more but it just that I dont kick someone when they are down, so I'll leave it just at that, just continue reading on, to learn more and gain proper and correct knowledge on tithing, OK?

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I already knew you didnt first know we are singing from the same hymn book

Christians and believers can tithe if they so decided in their heart and are not coerced, being forced people to give, aren't getting threatened with fear of curses, calamity or misfortune if they don't give an imposed and/or obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving. As long as specified financial demands aren't forced on people, it isn't a prob. If people willing and on their own initiative give tithe, that's OK

Let's just go there. There really is no percentage on giving for believers. All God requires, is a cheerful giving, that you decide in your heart without being forced or coerced to give. As a matter of fact, it is any amount that you're comfortable with and be in accordance to the level of grace you've received, only that there is a caveat that whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously

The Greek original word, "die", used in Matthew 23:23, means, it is necessary, to tithe
and so when that necessity is over, that duty or responsibility to tithe, is no longer required or needed
It was under that or those then present circumstances, that people like alBHAGDADI dont understand, that Jesus says to tithe, and not the thereafter

People like alBHAGDADI and others, dont want to recognise that the only tithes used to be given to God were:
1) the Levitical tithe aka Mosaic Law tithe, which are given to God via the priest (e.g. Levite)
and
2) the Abraham type of tithe, given to God, via a priest cum king (e.g. Melchizedek)
- see #3 below

Other tithes in a secular world context (i.e. tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1) also given are:
1) At pagan temples to priest(s) (note alBHAGDADI extra biblical references will be provided upon your request, same with #3 below)
2) Upon the king's demand's (note alBHAGDADI bible references also will be provided upon your request)
3) To a local ruler cum priest of a god or God, worthy of the consideration, after taking up arms, go to fight and winning battle fight(s) or war slaughering enemies

Now this is breaking it further down for easier understanding for the likes of alBHAGDADI and others
1) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the Mosaic law (i.e. the Levitical tithe also known as the Mosaic Law tithe)
2) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the christian gatherings law
(i.e. ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income)
3) There is obligatory tithe imposed by custom law (i.e. Abraham's tithing was done, due to the social setting of that time)
4) There is obligatory tithe imposed by monarchy law (i.e. tenth of seed and of vineyards, given to the king's officials and servants)

Now, there is another, which is voluntary tithe,
The nuance in this sort of tithe or tithing, is that it isn't imposed by the Mosaic law, not by christian gatherings law or by any custom law. For the attention of Horlufemi, this one, this so called "voluntary tithe" happens or occurs, when FREELY, one DECIDES to GIVE, a tenth of one's financial standing, as a form of contribution or donation toward's any Kingdom purposes, aid or means. In fact, the beauty and tithing subtle difference, is that, it is NOT obligatory or imposed

Bible writers and God use the terms, tenth and tithe interchangeably. So if I voluntarily give 10%, a tenth or 10 out 100 of my money contribution or donation toward's Kingdom purposes, aid or means, I technically have given a tithe. Considering that it is not a taxed, obligatory or imposition tithe, then I am free, to go ahead voluntarily giving it

All tithes or tithings, are a form of giving but NOT all giving are a tenth, tithe or tithing because the giving could be more or less than a tenth, tithe or tithing

The Bible's message today, is about a revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged as in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above

Giving could be 50% today, as in 50% equals half of your money
Giving could be 10% next month, as in 10% equals a tithe, tenth, or 10 out 100 of your money
(i.e. voluntary tithe, voluntarily giving 10%)
Giving could be 100% following month, as in 100%, equals all of your money
Giving could be 0% following month after, as in 0%, equals zero goes out of your money
Could decide to give 1% month following after, as in 1%, equals 1 out 100 of your money
The giving cycle is not fixed, it might repeat or not repeat itself
How much you give, changes according to the amount or percentage, you willingly over the passage of time, decide to give

It is the freedom, to give whatever you're comfortable with cheerfully. This sort of giving regardless of the percentages is desirable but not obligatory. Without stipulating amounts to give, you're are being trusted to know, to do the 3 right things

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

It is obligatory, taxed or imposed tithing that Christians cannot tithe

It is imposed tithing, it is dead with the law and believers are not obligated to perform any form of imposed tithing

What alBHAGDADI and others he is in cahoot with dont want to correctively preach, is that the Bible teaches the "church" the revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way actually, is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed, as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9

alBHAGDADI and anyone can go check out Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9 to find out that God is doing a full circle with this give as you determine in your heart without being under compulsion
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Don't mind that shekau alBHAGDADI guy. The way I see it is that tithe is paying tax. It simply means 10%. It's is also mandatory. Christians should give anything they like in any percentage they seem fit and it's not mandatory. We can give 1%-100% as the spirit leads. There's a difference between paying and giving. Giving comes from the heart and true giving is giving with love without expecting anything back. I just can accept we call it tithe. Give as much as you can. Without being coerced threatened and forced.

But the Mr Shekau or albadgaddy is blinded by prosperity gospel.

MuttleyLaff:
Why should I prove, even if I should prove it, it doesnt mean you are qualified to give tithe, or does it?

We are on the same page.

Christians aren't supposed to tithe

alBHAGDADI:


God takes away his servants however he pleases. Paul, Peter and other disciples died horrible deaths, this doesn't mean God didn't protect them when he wasn't ready to welcome them home.

Tithe doctrine is not a prosperity gospel. It is an obedience gospel.

I've edited my post. Recheck and explain your confusion.

alBHAGDADI:




You want e to explain the last part of Malachi 3:10?

Malachi 3:10(KJV)
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the L ORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing,
that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Perhaps you think the passage is talking about material blessings alone. Can you store the blessing of protection? Do you know the amount of people who have died plying the same road you only on a daily basis? Do you know how God prevented you from being sacked without you even knowing? Do you know how God saved you from enemy attacks while you were fast asleep? Please quantify those little things and tell me if your house can contain them for storage.

alBHAGDADI:


Such people meet their devourer in some other way. When you tithed and had accident, did you die?

Do you mean Christians don't fall sick, get sacked or suffer one or two things? Tithe can help block such. If you fail to pay tithe, you or your child might fall sick and get hospitalized such that you will spend more than that amount at the hospital. Simply giving it to God would have prevented all that because he said he will rebukebthe devourer which makes you loose money anyhow.

You are shifting the goal post. You said protection is blessing. People who paid tithe had accidents and died. Suffered cancer and died. Your "devourer" devoured their money.

You are confusing yourself in protecting your prosperity gospel. Your prosperity gospel will only create more atheist than Christians.

My point Jesus’s atonement DOES NOT extend to the “sin” of material poverty or a life without problems of the world.

alBHAGDADI:




You want e to explain the last part of Malachi 3:10?

Malachi 3:10(KJV)
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the L ORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing,
that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Perhaps you think the passage is talking about material blessings alone. Can you store the blessing of protection? Do you know the amount of people who have died plying the same road you only on a daily basis? Do you know how God prevented you from being sacked without you even knowing? Do you know how God saved you from enemy attacks while you were fast asleep? Please quantify those little things and tell me if your house can contain them for storage.

What happened to the other people who didn't pay tithe and didn't have accident. And the ones that paid tithe and had accident. I've had accidents when I used to pay tithe?

I'm a Christian I can't be bothered by enemies. I'll always have enemies and be persecuted as Christ was. Take your cross and forge ahead. Spiritual Protection is basic Christianity u don't need to give to get that. It comes with the package.

Those things you mentioned are basic and you don't need to give anything to get it. It come with you being a new creature in Christ. It's simple because you are no longer of the world.

Night attacks are just used to scared believers to keep paying up.

Know your rights and stop underestimating God's love for us

alBHAGDADI:


Don't say what you don't know.

Of you give to God, he will bless you. Abraham gave his son to God and got blessed in return. Even Hod said if we pay our tithe, he will bless us.

Malachi 3:10(KJV)
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the L ORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Please divide the word properly.

Tell yourself the truth with all your tithing do you have so much that there's no room enough to put them?

Should we now call God a liar? Or you twisting the scriptures.

God it's no liar but with our greed we twist the scripture to fuel our delusion.

I don't want any material things I don't need it.

Isaac attempted sacrifice was a test. Isaac was the most important thing to Abraham. He was tested for it. Not that he just decided to sacrifice Isaac. Moreover he didn't give money/material thing. Unless money/material things is the most important thing to you. Why don't you sacrifice all the money and material things to God so we can know you are serious about reaping and sowing. Then make sure God is asking you for it. So he can bless you like Abraham.

Job didn't give jack to be blessed and protected by God all he had to do was walk right in the sight of God. Even after everything was taken away he still stood for God.

No matter how believer you are Man must till and sweat (work) to reap. Women till tomorrow must feel the pains of child labour. It's not removed because you're Christian.

Hardwork doesn't guarantee success... It only increases it's chances.

MuttleyLaff:
You arent even an Israelite to want to give tithe. Even you dont live and earn your livelihood from the grounds of Israel to want to give tithe. You are not a farmer, engaged in agriculture nor are you a breeder or tender of livestock to want to give tithe from them. Are you aware that Levitical tithes are only given and accepted in Israel?
If at all, its proven to you that pastors today are Levites, how would you justify your keeness and preparedness to give tithe? What condition(s), what box(es) would you say, you've ticked that qualifies you to give tithe?

Prove it first. Then even still I would only tithe if EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of the church benefit from the donation brought to the Church. But prove it first that Pastors are Levites. The only Church system I recognize is that of the early apostles. Nothing more nothing less.

Then address 1-5

alBHAGDADI:
No.

The only requirement for eternal life is BELIEVE in Jesus Christ.

Tithe, offering and firstfruits are just for blessings on earth.

You mean to tell me that I need to give God money for God to bless me? This is pure heretical prosperity gospel.

The Abrahamic covenant is NOT a means to material entitlement

Jesus’s atonement DOES NOT extend to the “sin” of material poverty.

Christians DO NOT need to give in order to gain material compensation from God.

Faith is NOT a self-generated spiritual force that leads to prosperity

Prayer is NOT a tool to force God to grant prosperity

If you disagree with any of the above you need to repent or pray fervently for God to show you the true purpose of Christ.

According to what you stated I can ignore to get earthly blessings because I don't need it. I can still go to heaven right? Or am I disobeying a commandment?