alBHAGDADI: God takes away his servants however he pleases. Paul, Peter and other disciples died horrible deaths, this doesn't mean God didn't protect them when he wasn't ready to welcome them home.
Tithe doctrine is not a prosperity gospel. It is an obedience gospel.
I've edited my post. Recheck and explain your confusion.
alBHAGDADI: You want e to explain the last part of Malachi 3:10?
Malachi 3:10(KJV) Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the L ORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. Perhaps you think the passage is talking about material blessings alone. Can you store the blessing of protection? Do you know the amount of people who have died plying the same road you only on a daily basis? Do you know how God prevented you from being sacked without you even knowing? Do you know how God saved you from enemy attacks while you were fast asleep? Please quantify those little things and tell me if your house can contain them for storage.
alBHAGDADI: Such people meet their devourer in some other way. When you tithed and had accident, did you die?
Do you mean Christians don't fall sick, get sacked or suffer one or two things? Tithe can help block such. If you fail to pay tithe, you or your child might fall sick and get hospitalized such that you will spend more than that amount at the hospital. Simply giving it to God would have prevented all that because he said he will rebukebthe devourer which makes you loose money anyhow.
You are shifting the goal post. You said protection is blessing. People who paid tithe had accidents and died. Suffered cancer and died. Your "devourer" devoured their money.
You are confusing yourself in protecting your prosperity gospel. Your prosperity gospel will only create more atheist than Christians.
My point Jesus’s atonement DOES NOT extend to the “sin” of material poverty or a life without problems of the world.
alBHAGDADI: You want e to explain the last part of Malachi 3:10?
Malachi 3:10(KJV) Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the L ORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Perhaps you think the passage is talking about material blessings alone. Can you store the blessing of protection? Do you know the amount of people who have died plying the same road you only on a daily basis? Do you know how God prevented you from being sacked without you even knowing? Do you know how God saved you from enemy attacks while you were fast asleep? Please quantify those little things and tell me if your house can contain them for storage.
What happened to the other people who didn't pay tithe and didn't have accident. And the ones that paid tithe and had accident. I've had accidents when I used to pay tithe?
I'm a Christian I can't be bothered by enemies. I'll always have enemies and be persecuted as Christ was. Take your cross and forge ahead. Spiritual Protection is basic Christianity u don't need to give to get that. It comes with the package.
Those things you mentioned are basic and you don't need to give anything to get it. It come with you being a new creature in Christ. It's simple because you are no longer of the world.
Night attacks are just used to scared believers to keep paying up.
Know your rights and stop underestimating God's love for us
Of you give to God, he will bless you. Abraham gave his son to God and got blessed in return. Even Hod said if we pay our tithe, he will bless us.
Malachi 3:10(KJV) Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the L ORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Please divide the word properly.
Tell yourself the truth with all your tithing do you have so much that there's no room enough to put them?
Should we now call God a liar? Or you twisting the scriptures.
God it's no liar but with our greed we twist the scripture to fuel our delusion.
I don't want any material things I don't need it.
Isaac attempted sacrifice was a test. Isaac was the most important thing to Abraham. He was tested for it. Not that he just decided to sacrifice Isaac. Moreover he didn't give money/material thing. Unless money/material things is the most important thing to you. Why don't you sacrifice all the money and material things to God so we can know you are serious about reaping and sowing. Then make sure God is asking you for it. So he can bless you like Abraham.
Job didn't give jack to be blessed and protected by God all he had to do was walk right in the sight of God. Even after everything was taken away he still stood for God.
No matter how believer you are Man must till and sweat (work) to reap. Women till tomorrow must feel the pains of child labour. It's not removed because you're Christian.
Hardwork doesn't guarantee success... It only increases it's chances.
MuttleyLaff: You arent even an Israelite to want to give tithe. Even you dont live and earn your livelihood from the grounds of Israel to want to give tithe. You are not a farmer, engaged in agriculture nor are you a breeder or tender of livestock to want to give tithe from them. Are you aware that Levitical tithes are only given and accepted in Israel? If at all, its proven to you that pastors today are Levites, how would you justify your keeness and preparedness to give tithe? What condition(s), what box(es) would you say, you've ticked that qualifies you to give tithe?
Prove it first. Then even still I would only tithe if EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of the church benefit from the donation brought to the Church. But prove it first that Pastors are Levites. The only Church system I recognize is that of the early apostles. Nothing more nothing less.
The only requirement for eternal life is BELIEVE in Jesus Christ.
Tithe, offering and firstfruits are just for blessings on earth.
You mean to tell me that I need to give God money for God to bless me? This is pure heretical prosperity gospel.
The Abrahamic covenant is NOT a means to material entitlement
Jesus’s atonement DOES NOT extend to the “sin” of material poverty.
Christians DO NOT need to give in order to gain material compensation from God.
Faith is NOT a self-generated spiritual force that leads to prosperity
Prayer is NOT a tool to force God to grant prosperity
If you disagree with any of the above you need to repent or pray fervently for God to show you the true purpose of Christ.
According to what you stated I can ignore to get earthly blessings because I don't need it. I can still go to heaven right? Or am I disobeying a commandment?
alBHAGDADI: You people are not only spiritually blind but illiterates too. When the Bible called Christ the firstfruit, it is not saying Christ has paid our firstfruit so we don't have to pay anymore. It is simply saying that Jesus is the first of those who will resurrect, because he has resurrected from the dead. Every other person who has died are still asleep, but Christ has risen and so is the firstfruit of them all i.e the first to rise. It is during his second coming that others will rise too.
Now read the passage below for understanding and stop being received by those who love to quote scriptures falsely
1 CORINTHIANS 15:20
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Just sad that the distraction called Prosperity Gospel has taken the joy out of Christianity.
My question for you is tithe, firstfruit or offering a requirement for eternal life in Christ Jesus?
EdifiedHebrew: You are totally wrong, You don't have any right to collect any firstfruit because Yahawashi Hamasciach whom you called Jesus Christ has risen from the dead and he is our firstfruits. 1 CORINTHIANS 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
The original new year comes up in spring equinox not winter. and our new year ordained by Yahawah is the month of Feast of Passover. Please read the Bible according to the commandment of Yahawah don't mislead people with wrong precepts. ISAIAH 28: 9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
EXODUS 12: 1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying,
2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD'S passover.
EXODUS 13: 3 And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place: there shall no leavened bread be eaten. 4 This day came ye out in the month Abib.
5 And it shall be when the LORD shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee, a land flowing with milk and honey, that thou shalt keep this service in this month.
They have no interest in this. Christ being the firstfruit of the great resurrection into glory. These pastors knows this but because of the greed they will live in denial.
Ken4Christ: It is not an assumption. Firstfruits offering principles started even before the Law was given.
Abel offered the firstlings of his flock to God. And God respected his offering. Cain on the other hand didn't offer his firstfruits and God rejected his offering.
The first belongs to God. It's an eternal principle. Please, have spiritual sense.
These people also love to hammer on New Testament free will giving. Ask them if they've given like the early Christians who sold their land and houses and gave to the church, they'll go mute.
Their aim is to strip the church of access to funds to propagate the gospel. They are antichrists. I just put for the ignoramuses who have fallen for this.
alBHAGDADI: At least it is recorded that Abraham tithed. Now, where is it recorded that the children of Israel tithed?
Bro I'm confused should we use Abraham example to tithe or use Isrealites example or Jacob's or that of the Pharisees Christ mentioned.
I've studied tithing so much to know
1. Abraham gave 10% of the spoils of war and returned the 90%. He only tithed once.
2. That the Isrealites gave tithe as (a). farm produce only, (b). Once a year and (c). To widows and orphans every third year.
3. Jacob's tithing was conditional. "If you can bless me and make me come back". The "if " negates it being a commandment.
4. The Pharisees I'm sure didn't tithe money cos Christ mentioned "you tithe of mint and herbs in your little gardens".
5. When Christians are instructed to give to the poor, they aren’t commanded to give “the poor tithe.” Instead, they are instructed to be generous in helping those in need (Acts 2:43–47; 4:32–37; 11:27–30; Gal. 2:10; 1 Cor. 16:1–4; 2 Cor. 8:1–9:15). For example, 1 Corinthians 16:1–4—a passage often cited in popular circles in support—doesn’t mention tithing; it relates to a one-time gift for poor saints in Jerusalem.
6. Then finally I would love to tithe if there are Levites available to collect them today. Unless you want to prove to me that pastors today are Levites, which we all know they aren't unless we wish to twist the scriptures to fit our narrative.
openmine: Oga na plunder nah aka "war spoils"....how money take enter war spoils? There is also a difference between a parable and a then existing law....! Jesus used the illustration to show the emptiness and hypocrisies of the Pharisees! Chai Chai
They even forget Abraham returned the 90% he didn't keep anything.
From the spoils
1. He gave 10% to the preist 2. He returned 90%
I would gladly tithe like that but I will be broke and they will say I don't have the spirit of God.
omojeesu: Sorry, you are confused and please stop confusing people with your many words and theological gymnastics!
Tithing and instructions about it are so EXPLICIT for the people it was intended for, the Jews! If it was also for Christians it will also be so explicit. But because it is not you people now go ahead to twist scriptures making them say what they dont mean on the subject.
Tithing is a PRINCIPLE NOT A PRACTICE FOR THE CHURCH. AS TITHE WAS FOR THE CARE OF THE LEVITES, SO GIVING TO MINISTERS OF THE GOSPEL NOT BY COMPULSION BUT THROUGH FREEWILL OFFERINGS THAT IS NOT EVEN ROUTINE BUT GOOD AND MAKES SENSE IF IT IS REGULAR.
Let's stop calling this giving 'tithe'! It is not! Tithing is well defined. Our giving is freewill not compulsory like tithing. That's the New Testament position.
As for Matthew 23:23 you missed it big time. Jesus was definitely and specifically lambasting the Pharisees and Sadducees. They were Jews under the Law. They were not the disciples nor were they Christians. Of course they ought not to neglect tithing. Tithing was mandatory religious practice for them. Jesus scolded them for neglecting the MORE IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF THE LAW and were instead focusing mostly on tithing.
The lesson for the Church:
Certainly NOT ABOUT TITHING but about giving ATTENTION TO the MORAL ASPECTS AND PRINCIPLES OF THE LAW WHICH ARE UNCHANGING AND ETERNAL WITHOUT NEGLECTING TO GIVE TO SUPPORT MINISTERS AND CHURCH WORK.
See the wahala all these have caused us.
We major on what is not explicit for us and neglect the more important things.
Unnecessary distraction for the Church in this last days when we should be focusing on living right, walking in love and holiness waiting and actively winning souls for the Lord before His return. Getting ready to suffer and die for Him if need be.
The Lord will revive us!
God bless you brother. Giving it's different from tithe. Stop calling it tithe.
shukuokukobambi: Una mumu never do but e go do one day. See proof that GEJ is dead and we have a left handed imposter who didn't remember if Iwealla wanted him to conceed or continue.
And Trump left handed imposter too as Trump died during his fvcking association with stormy Daniels
Katier00: But nobody is holding a gun to your head that you must wed in the church
I can make you do any thing by making by making you respect me love me subject to me promise to give you you deepest desires and suggest those things. And you'll do it without me putting a gun to your head.
Social Deception very often is a process by which wrong becomes right, and right becomes wrong. It’s a complete paradigm shift of opinions, standards and morals that is achieved softly, subtly and often takes a generation to entrench into society.
Those who engineer it are very deliberate and structured in their approach. If you want to know what I am talking about, find out your mother’s views on things like sexuality and marriage and compare them with yours.
The contrast in opinions does not necessarily prove that she is old-fashioned; it may instead prove that you have been deceived There are 6 stages of Social Deception. The SHOCKER stage The OUTRAGE stage The DISCUSSION stage The TOLERANCE stage The ACCEPTANCE stage
The VENERATION stage
If I wanted to popularize the most unimaginable thing in our society, say like bestiality (the practice of having sex with animals). I would follow these steps.
I would select a forerunner to drop the SHOCKING message on an unsuspecting public. “It is okay and we shouldn't have problems having sex with animals,” he would announce on radio, TV or in a newspaper. That is the SHOCKER; the bombshell, so to speak.
It would inevitably be followed by OUTRAGE. The forerunner is abused and demonized by the bewildered public. Every respected leader in society comes out to slam the lamentable reprobate who dared suggest something so obnoxious. The forerunner defiantly defends the practice.
His critics come out even more scathing. But the forerunner knows exactly what he is doing. He is setting an agenda. Many people don’t understand the effect of continuous exposure on the human mind.
I will give an example most of you will understand. If you ask a girl out and she is not interested in you, the best thing she can do for herself is stay away from you or your words.
If she continues listening to you, what was initially unthinkable becomes worth a consideration, then acceptable. Many ladies have fallen for guys they swore never to date just because they didn’t understand the law of continuous exposure.
Once the bestiality message reaches the third stage; DISCUSSION, the forerunner has done his job. At this stage there is a big debate over bestiality; with most people still slamming it, not knowing that they are falling into a trap.
It is a known fact that homosexual groups abroad were giving money to people fighting homosexuality in Uganda. Then they would also fund those pushing for it. Initially it didn’t make sense. Until understanding came about how deception works.
What they wanted was to keep the subject of homosexuality in public debate. They know exactly what they were doing. The more people are exposed to it through discussion, the more it becomes less obnoxious in their minds.
That leads to the next stage: TOLERANCE. At this stage people say: “I am not going to have sex with animals, but if someone chooses to do it, (that’s his problem). Others will say: “Who cares what people do behind closed doors?
I have heard these statements being made by people who clearly don’t understand what they are up against.This is the stage at which science kicks in to ‘prove’ that some people are born with an inherent attraction "natural orientation" towards animals and they cannot help it.
Consequently, bestiality will be included in the UN Human Rights Charter and activists are given a new pursuit. Economic and travel sanctions will be used to twist the arms of nations that still forbid it.
Then we start hearing phrases like: “We cannot tell people whom they should love.” The main purpose of this stage is to ensure that bestiality is legally accepted.
The next two steps are aimed at entrenching it at a social level. The penultimate stage is ACCEPTANCE. At this stage bestiality becomes a conventional alternative way of living.
All the outrage has since dissipated. This is the stage at which those still opposed to it are called BESTIAPHOBIC (the word will be coined) and they are considered antiquated, old-fashioned, intolerant, dogmatic, religious zealots, bigots…. you’ve heard all those words.
This is the stage at which there are bestiality rights parades in major cities.
Then we are reminded that the same book in the Bible that forbids bestiality also forbids eating pork. Then ‘intellectuals’ use that to rubbish the Word of God, and make it look ridiculous.
The final step is VENERATION. This is the stage at which the people who practice bestiality are praised. The liberalist media (which includes almost all international channels) subtly promotes them as ‘cool’, intelligent, exposed.
That's the stage at which celebrities ‘come out’ to reveal that they are ‘proud bestialists’.
Then bestiality begins to win fresh ‘converts’ everyday because many young people will do anything to be seen as ‘cool’ or to be associated with some Hollywood or football star.
That is how you corrupt a whole society. That’s how previously unthinkable things like atheism and homosexuality and all other forms of sexual perversion have taken root in our society.
Your mother may not be outdated after all. You may be deceived.
Security agencies have arrested seven more suspects in connection with the recent killings of over 200 persons by suspected Fulani herdsmen in Barkin Ladi and Riyom LGAs of Plateau State.
The suspects were paraded on Tuesday at the headquarters of the Special Military Special Task Force, codenamed Operation Safe Haven, in Jos.
The acting Director of Defence Information, Brig. Gen. John Agie, said, “Our troops are still after those who were involved in the attacks on June 23 and that led to the arrest of two suspects.
After this parade, we are going to hand them over to the police for further investigation and prosecution.” Agie said a total of 18 suspects had been arrested.
Christianity Etc › Re: It Is Not The Law Of Moses But God Himself That Tells Us To Give First Fruit by Horlufemi(m): 7:18pm On Feb 03, 2019
and stop underestimating God's love for us
