kingxsamz:


No one said lack of belief stops you from making irrational decisions. The OP is only pointing out the hypocrisy in those who uphold these beliefs. You can't be against genocide but support the one in your bible.

I thought you said you read wide. Your statement here showed you haven't read beyond 1980s. You have a long way to go to be able to comment accurately on such ancient book. It's obvious in your comments. Why not stay low to learn better.

kingxsamz:


That's why I find it funny that a lot of Christians are being rational and making logical points on this "yam" issue. I'm sure most of the people in that crowd are Christians, with a lot of Muslims of course. Religion fuels the belief that there are "dark powers" and people with special abilities to cause harm. So It's funny seeing a Christian who believes that a man divided the red sea with an ordinary stick approaching this issue from a logical point of view.

You were there to take this statistics, right? If we say you lot are untrained psychologists now, they will say we are abusive. Aren't you doing as one now?

Sakamaje:


Definitely, Christianity was created as a weapon of control. Think about it. To be a Christian you must believe that the biblical texts are 'infallible'. That means you are encouraged not to question its chronology, historical references, teachings, etc. That poses a big problem for any rational mind. The religion also encourages the idea that 'inspiration' is a valid source of knowledge, which is used to justify the veracity of the events of the teachings in the biblical texts.

Meaning that, as a 'true' Christian, you have to accept that a person can gain authentic and true knowledge by way of visions and 'spiritual experiences' and whatnot, without any means of verifying independently or questioning the validity or veracity of their visions (because doing so would imply that you are questioning the God that inspires such visions); you just have to believe, as a demonstration of unquestioning 'faith'.

That right there is a basis and justification for brainwashing. So you must accept without question that a 'holy spirit' 'inspired' the apostles and the prophets of the bible to write the bible. Your only evidence of the veracity of their writings is your willingness to just 'believe', by 'faith'. The moment you actually start to ask questions and investigate the veracity of the biblical accounts, you begin to understand the damage inherent in that concept of 'accepting by faith'.

It literally forces you to accept a lie and keep believing it, even after you've proved that it is a lie. Anyone that goes on believing a lie in the name of 'faith' will do, rationalize, and justify anything in the name of 'faith'. Such a mind loses its capacity for independence of thought, and is capable of anything.

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What are you writing sef Bro. Do you read your text when you write them finish? You being exposed to false doctrine doesn't mean everyone holds the same. All you wrote above are absolute lies you were told. But the problem here is the fact that you believed it and hold it to influence your conviction.

What makes you different now from the ones you are pointing fingers to (those who hold believe as you stated above) . You both believed a lie, but influenced by it in opposite direction.
Please speak on what you know about ot what you were sold.

Zooposki:


Religions like Christianity, Islam takes away your spirituality. That is why there is so much discrimination and hypocrisy in all the religions.

Jesus Christ came with the white missionaries to subjugate and take away your rights, lands, freedom etc.

Allah came with their jihad to conquer. No religious person will ever make it to “heaven”, because they will carry along all the ills of Religion.

Another wrongly taught fella who has refused to read properly what he was taught.

I hope you aren't bold when writing the above. It's all fallacy you wrote up there.

Sakamaje:


Then you are no different guy. Sorry to say. Anyone that believes the Jesus of the Bible and other fables contained in that text, is no different from those that tried to lynch the guy. The Bible contains too many lies and fables that people are forced to believe, even though they can't prove that those things really happened. The moment you accept those fables without proof or question, you can also become a part of a mob. That's why Christians are generally very hypocritical and judgemental. Because they've been brainwashed into believing all manner of crazy things, and would even justify crimes their god committed in the bible. You can't be a Christian that believes in and justifies a god that commits genocide, and then condemn lynch mobs. That would be hypocritical.

So much assumptions and lies in a single post. Yet you claimed the other is believing a lie.

How you manufactured and believed all the lies you wrote above is beyond me. I don't know why most of you lot find it hard to stay on terrain you know. You prefer to drag keys with house owners when you don't even know where the doors are.

Very sad.

IMAliyu:


May I ask you, why specifically that term?
And how you came about to conclude it as the fitting descriptor?

A man that goes into a boxing ring to fight without knowledge of how to fight or use the right kit is called òtuu (yoruba). You don't need anyone to tell you he is untrained by the time you see how he responds to blows thrown at him. You won't need extra info when you see how he jogs, how he clench his fist and how he withstand the pressure.

That perfect description of being untrained is evidence in those I refer to as untrained psychologist.


Atheism is not about using sense or psychology. Infact atheism is not about science, it's a conviction. But it has been turned to such here on NL by those who don't even know that there are atheists who don't even have access to internet not undergo study of science. Yet hold an unmistaken conviction about their stand.


It's an untrained or unlearned one who is confused that tends to find his basis of atheism in science. He isn't taught, or missed his classes. He is an untrained psychologist. Because he tends to use sense and logic to drive atheism. He will fail.


Lastly, the large portion here are worse than above. There unconvicted stand was drawn from exposure to false information, doctrine and teaching from the bible likely due to their background and environment.

But using such localized experience to assume a position of knowledge will be badly exposed.

As seen here. An anger drawn from your past experience of being scammed or lied to by a sect can't be a justification for atheism. It just showed a man, confused and looking for another umbrella to shield. That umbrella is found online here as atheism by such folks.


But the reality is:
even though a fox and cat can eat from the same plate at times, they can never be the same animal. It's a matter of time before each finds his own level.

XXXXTENTACION:
You dickhead fanatic you could have easilly addresed them as Agnostics... Things would be easier if people practiced what they preached... If your bible teaches you to be calling peope improper names then I wish you goodluck...

Pèlé.

A stranger don't teach the owner of the house what the house principle is. How do you even know what the Bible teaches when you have never been exposed to its truth before.

Your issue is still reflective in your comment. Always feeling you know the scriptures but have no single knowledge of it. When you are supposed to be learning, you are jumping rope looking for self adulation.


Forget using strawman argument here. You are untrained, very untrained in the discuss you are in. And I have pointed that out to you severally. You need to humble yourself and learn rather than seeing things as abusive. If I call a man who is unlearned as unlearned, i are only stating the obvious. That's what I have helped you see. Please open your eyes to see it.

Until you see this, you won't know how badly taught you are when it comes to conviction and understanding of the discuss.


So like I said, help is around you to take you away from your untrained psychological disposition. Rather than look for fake identification, be truthful to yourself and take the change require of you.

XXXXTENTACION:
You are a religious fanatic you can take this as a description...

Yes Sir. At least I have a conviction. Not troubled upandown, sideways. I dey kampé. Eternal conviction. No lëlė.

But you and your folks here, are struggling with conviction. You don't even know where you belong but claiming atheist that you are not. This is the reason I coined a best description for you (untrained psychologist). But you are angry.

Workch:
You don’t need assistance to understand the fairytales in the Bible.
You only need to find evidence to discard it like any other comic and storybook

We know, you are trying hard to feel among. But it's obvious you can be at best an untrained psychologist who is looking for identity.

XXXXTENTACION:
hupernikao So according to your bible it is okay to call people untrained psychologists...
what kind of bible do even read...
If I start calling you terrorist, armed robber or criminal for jesus hope you also take it as a description...
fvcking animals that don't even practice what they preach...

Hope you are good.

When does telling someone he is untrained psychologist become an insult. That is the best way I can describe your attitude and capability. It is descriptive not insulting. You must get the difference well.

XXXXTENTACION:
You go round this forum calling atheists all sort of names and attacking their personality is that what your bible teaches you...
did your bible teach you to be calling people names...
why the fvck should I listen to someone who does'nt follow his own bible...

You aren't truthful and it won't help you.

I am not such you blackmail or use strawman card for.

Show me where I called atheist any bad name. Just show me where I abuse anyone. Every of my words online are deliberate and well coordinated. Don't ever think they are misused.


Is it by telling you the truth that you aren't an atheist but untrained psychologist that you called "Name calling?". Bro that's a description not an abuse. I stand by that anyday and that wasn't referring to any atheist but people who fall into that category but calling themselves atheist, a category you also fall. Many on NL are same as that claiming atheist.

So, you need to embrace that truth and not see it as accusation or abuse.


And also, your usage and understanding of the Bible need a lot of assistance, I have said that severally, trying to use the Bible to come against my concerns for you is not a smart one. What I am doing to you is exactly what the bible stands for: to correct and teach. All you need to do is to be open to these corrections and stop seeing it as an attack or competition.

1Sharon:


The Bible is not a complete book. There are missing books of the Bible.

Okay but the ones we have is sufficient enough for us to understand what is being taught and explained. Knowing how to read and interpret the ones we have well have a long way to go in helping our knowledge.

So what do you think is the focal teaching of the scriptures about the God revealed in it?

XXXXTENTACION:
Ever heard the story of the 5 blind men that went to find out what an elephant looked like...
If your God existed we would not be argueing about him on a public forum...

You and I aren't arguing, I am teaching you not arguing with you. The major challenge with many in your holes is that they don't know the difference between when to listen and learn and when to talk. You need to learn much to help your disposition and convictions. And you have the help here.

XXXXTENTACION:
If this is how you plan to convert people to your religion then you still have a far journey ahead...

Bro, I expect you to be ready now for proper discussion on your conviction. Let's leave this strawman argument.

Your take on the Bible is from a false information and that drives most of what you believe and hold now. Even your conviction. That's the key information here. Lets leave emotions.

It's like a man gazing on a house from a false perspective, how then do you think you understand how the house function. Or know the rudiments of the premises. This is the key issue here.

1Sharon:





And what universal way is that?

A simple way of reading simple text simply by obeying the textual evidence.

By just obeying

Context
narrative
language used
Prevalence culture of their time.

And lastly and most important, understanding and reading it as a single book hence carrying the explanation of events, character, and actions together in your interpretation but not in silos as seen here.

An example is reading and arguing on God's omnipotent outside God's grace, mercy and love will be exercise in futility and illiteracy. It's the same book that mentioned his omnipotence mentioned his grace, mercy and just. Hence it must be read together and carry the explanation together. Then question it together.

That means it will be lazy and wrong to argue a text without considering the holistic usage of the same all through in the book.

This is how you will read a book normally. Right? So why read the Bible differently?

You don't see Sharon in first page of a novel and then give it a different explanation when you see the name again in the later pages. It must be consistent. The Sharon is Sharon all through except the author said otherwise.

Or maybe you were told Sharon is beautiful, intelligent, understanding and stubborn. You won't explain Sharon character alone by one of these but all. Especially when you use understanding and stubborn in the same context.

If we read your books like this, why read the Bible differently?

This is the Achilles of many erroneous teaching.

Don't you think you need to cross check what you know about the Bible as related to the above universal way of reading?

1Sharon:


And the holy spirit told you I was taught wrong?

I don't need the holy spirit to know that. Ordinary literal interpretation and understanding of literal ancient writings will exposed that facts. And I see it regularly in your conversation and reference to the Bible or Christianity.

For example, let's assume you read and interpret the Bible the way you do now in front of a Hebrew or Greek Professor of literature who is also an atheist, he will laugh at your reading and interpretation even though he doesn't believe in God, he will still see your erroneous explanation due to the wrong exposition to scriptures you had.

So I know that you were exposed to wrong info. You can start looking at the writing in a proper way, the way its written and why. Not the way you want to read it. There is a universal way a text is read and interpreted.

You weren't taught that. You were taught from a lot of assumptions not textual evidence.

That's what I am drawing your attention to.

1Sharon:
TAGM & hupernikao, know this and know peace.

He boiled for your sins.

Okay. I have heard you. But lest finish the one we are discussing earlier.

XXXXTENTACION:
An online miscreant and troll is what you have shamefully turned yourself into...
by simply being an online troll is that how you plan to convert people for your God...

Hope you have calmed your head now?
I need to start helping you now to restore your good mind. I know it's there, it just needs proper guidance.

XXXXTENTACION:
whatever you decide to call people that's your business...

Bro, you need to rest, you are worked up. You will be alright.

XXXXTENTACION:
An insane person is one who believes that anybody who does not agree with his views automatically becomes a psychologist...

You aren't reading properly again. You need to calm yourself down and stop being worked up. I never called you a psychologist but an untrained psychologist. There is a big difference.

1Sharon:


And you just commited the no true Scotsman fallacy.

Only yours is correct right?

And who told you I haven't examined "what is written" you ignoramus?

You are only trying to say what I didn't say. The issue here is not how many are correct, the issue here is that it's obvious you are wrong. You were taught wrongly. Take that and have a new lease.

And you can likewise not examine things beyond the knowledge you are exposed to. So, let's get this first. You need to be taught rightly and then you can find a level.

Why seeing this as an issue. It's to help you make a better decision even if it's opposing.

XXXXTENTACION:
You are a nobody..
helplessly wailing and calling people names... If calling people untrained psychologist is what makes your God happy then I wish you goodluck...
insane fanatic...

you continuously showed you are actually not well trained. You are practicing psychology without license. It's called being quack.

Try get proper training or find your level.

1Sharon:


Let me guess, only your denomination is the right one, while others are wrong right? Yeye

Strawman card.

Let's not divert. It's obvious you are hanging to false knowledge you were exposed to. Why not take time to examine well what is truly written then you can hold your opposition stand properly but now with the right knowledge.

A critic whose knowledge is based on falsehood can't survive a true scrutiny even for a minute. Don't you think so.

XXXXTENTACION:
Who the fvck are you to determine who is an atheist and who is not...
your definition of atheism matters to nobody you can go on with the ad hominem attacks if that's how you plan to defend your God I wish you goodluck...

Pèlé, untrained psychologist. You will get over it. It may tarry, but I know you will find your level sooner and let the atheist carry their crosses.

But for now, wrap yourself well in their Kampala and àdìre, to cover your true face. It's allowed since being called untrained psychologist is demeaning to you but it's your reality.

1Sharon:


I don't give a crap. You're all delusional.

So fast to abuse? Is that part of atheism syllabus?

So why don't you give a crap to be taught rightly but carry the wrong knowledge of what you were taught to make decision today? Don't you think you have been misled by such false teaching that led you to where you are today?

1Sharon:


What?

He wasn't referring to attending church but were you (members) are taught what is written not want you (members) want or like to hear.

That's what he refers. I guess that will give you a different view.

XXXXTENTACION:
An online miscreant that goes around insulting people and calling them names like untrained psychologists is a very shameful way to defend your God...
Like I said earlier if your God even existed he would not need an online miscreant like you to defend him on the internet...

Aren't you (they) untrained psychologists? Isn't it clear here daily? You called that insults? No Sir, it's descriptive not insulting.

By the way, all you need to do is to show through your attitude that you aren't a wannabe atheist but a real one. It's not done by coming online daily to feel among. It's a conviction and that's lacking in many of your likes online. Hence the best narrative for such is an untrained psychologist.

1Sharon:


You do know I'm an ex-christian right? You think I've never been to church in my life?

Not sure Ma. I guess he refers to where God's word is given preeminence and properly interpreted.

hopefulLandlord:


A MISOTHEIST is a theist, you don't know the difference

Are you sure you are residing text here Sir?
Then read again the full thread from the beginning, you seems to missed the main points.

XXXXTENTACION:
You need to take lessons on how to troll...
you become all just emotional especially when it comes to arguements that pertain to your God...
Like I said earlier take a chill pill just don't take this personal...'
If your God existed he would not need an online miscreant to defend him...

Troll? It's like you are learning new words but missed its application class. I said you have no argument but error mixed with confusions.

hopefulLandlord:


A MISOTHEIST is a theist. a MISOTHEIST believes there's a god, he just hates that god. an atheist CAN'T be a misotheist

Many Nairalanders hate Joe Biden but they aren't saying he doesn't exist

You actually think I don't know the difference?

You are the one to calm down and read me well.

The misotheist are the once here. They only camouflage under atheism. They needed a treading umbrella. And they found one in atheism. Observe some of them are open to other explanation of a god and end up finding alternatives in traditional or other foreign but usually they always start from claiming to be atheist.


Their argument are factual enough to know they are just untrained psychologist.

Myer:


What's your idea of a true atheist?

This one is straight forward nah. You should ask for the one who is untrained psychologist.

I will clear it for you.

An atheist simply is one who doesn't hold a belief in God. That is the as simple as it is.

He doesn't send you or any of your proof or evidence, like the untrained one seek here. He doesn't just hold that even in the face of the facts. That's his conviction. I have seen only few of them here.

Note also, that science can be use as a tool by him but he doesn't hold that unbelief because of scientific findings but his conviction based on his experience.

There are unlearned atheist. One who didn't even go to school. No exposure, yet hold that belief. I have seen these well.

All these ones here shouting here that atheism set you on path of knowledge are millennium confused psychologist. They only heard about atheism because of internet age. You will see it from their words and actions. A very localized view that doesn't see things beyond the internet world.


Sadly too, many of them here are confused from false teaching they received in their lives from false preachers and come online to display stack ignorance after disappointing their selfish desires.

For an atheist, his conviction is not from ignorance point of the Bible, he has seen it clearly, he read and know what you are saying and clear to him but he won't juts take it. A conviction. Like I said, very few are here. Maybe 2.