LordReed:


How is the atheist choosing to close his eyes to passing events that are not objective? You can't show me a video clip of whatever vision experience of Jesus or your god you had so what exactly am I supposed to be seeing?

LMAO @ plight. Its more a plight to believe your fantasies are real. Bwahahahahaha!

. Don't deviate from your illustration. You gave the illustration, I only help you complete it.

Your argument was that people weren't supposed to have different experiences of God.

My addition is that people have differing experience including not seeing at all is an experience on its own.

So if people told you they felt or experience something, and you don't have such. It's 4 things.

It's either

1. they lied
2. Or you lied
3. Or you lack the ability to experience it
4. Or both of you are lying.

In this discuss, I will go with the 3rd for an atheist.

Constantly denying multiply people's experiences, even when it's from people you trust in other things around you, isn't smart enough.

Even in secular world and science, repeatability of an experience is to prompt an investigation not a denial in its pattern.

freshalien:


Oh, I have done my research. Years and years of research. I am well prepared. So come with your arguments. Bring it on, I am ready!

Me? Argument? You are the one who has argument to present. But your comments doesn't show you have carried out enough research to even be able to discuss properly on the facts of the scriptures. You have more work to do, it obvious..

Fir example, can you tell me where and how and what you study as research.

ChiefSosa:

Sigh! Another ridiculous talk!!
Noah's ark used in this context is not literally a similar model of the one Noah from the bible used; Elon simply used 'Noah's ark' as a descriptive phrase in a figurative context to say he plans to make humans, plants and animals exist on Mars. He is not saying he is running to planet mars to escape any sorts of destruction that God wants to bring on planet earth!
You shouldn't even be the one dissing Elon Musk or acting like you're smarter/better than him. Elon's limitless ideas have all been based on the advancement of Humanity. Elon's contributions to renewable energy alone has saved millions of lives. Elon has launched rockets to space, but the only thing you pastors keep launching is offering box and new ways to collect money. Elon has come up with ideas that changed humanity, but the only thing that you pastors have come up with is different types of holy water.

True! There's so many things going wrong with our Planet. Who no go want commot before?
Global warming alone is a huge problem, especially for a continent like Africa with a very hot climate.
Elon musk is building cars that use electricity, so we wouldn't have to use fuel that causes smoke which affects the ozone layer, affects human health and also contributes to the depletion of the earth.
Elon musk is heavily invested in solar energy, and he and his company have provided solar power to millions of people. Instead of someone like Oga righteousness to appreciate Elon; he will rather switch on his generator after drawing it like 12 times (same generator will emit smoke that will also contribute to depleting the ozone layer and planet earth) to come online to criticize people like Elon.

So you can read Elon Musk usage of Noah as figurative to explain a truth but see Bible Noah as stories. Why don't you read Moses as same. Kindly pick your Bible now and start reading properly the way you read your books

freshalien:


I have always asked you religious ones,, Christians and Muslims, to show me proof, physical or spiritual, of the existence of your god, yet none has been able to show me proof. Instead you keep blabbing about a certain book and your thoughts and prayers as if that is what I asked for. Nothing meaningful whenever you engage a Christian or Muslim in a meaningful conversation about the existence of their god. Just blabbing up and down about non-existent stuff.

As for your “smart” son, he is already on the path to questioning the existence of the god you forced on him. You said he is smart right? You have a future atheist on your hand. He is arguing with his friend about god. Soon he would be arguing within himself about that same god. In fact if you have money, send him abroad when the time is right so he can have the opportunity and freedom to see a different kind of life compared to the one you raised him with lots of ‘church going’ and what not. Don’t be surprised when he joins us on the other side; the side where we have realized that the best lie told by man was that there is a “God”.

Have you also presented something meaningful to place your argument well? You asked someone to proof a God to you? What happened to you doing your own research? Study? Traveling? You can't sit down in a corner waiting for a presenter. The wisdom you claim should tell you to find out things for yourself. No be so?

Franking:


You mean to really understand this ur God one needsto painstakingly learn and pay attention and probably start hallucinating? No, thank u. Until it's easy and not complicated enjoy.

Laziness to read is hallmark of those who have your very experience. When you want things to happen like jazz, you will be sold a dummy to serve your desires. Why now blame those who exposed you to errors when they actually gave you what you craved for.


You go to school and painstakingly study for years to become expert and professional. You work hard in life to achieve and get knowledge. You spent nights and burn candles to get secular knowledge. But when you carry a Bible, you want magic to happen and know it over night. Isn't that the same magic you were sold that got you to this point of falsely accusing the scriptures. It provides lack of depth, lack of conviction and much noise.


Wake up man, you are smart, intelligent but don't be lazy. Read as one who is serious to know not as one who just want to be talking and make noise. .

Presently, you won't stand a minute test of scrutiny of what you know about what you criticise. At that point, it can be very shameful and sad.

But Brother, take the help. You will be grateful for it.

Franking:


Your own submission is meaningless because it means most supposed christians are not christians at all since they are probably christians due to wrong teachings.

I admit u are entitled to ur opinion but I dare say it changes nothing. Christianity is just one of many religions. I do not follow any because they don't make sense to me. Ur bible talks about talking animals ala tales by moonlight and many other incredible and incredulous stories including Christ dieing for my sins which is quite laughable.

U are free to believe whatever makes u sleep at night.

The way you read me shows you aren't patient enough. I never said to be a Christian you must be able to interpret scriptures well. Seems you are reading your mind.

The obvious is you weren't taught well and that is what informed your disposition. I bet with you Sir, all your explanation above are only your imagination or that of one who taught you wrongly.

The issue here is not a believe system. This issue here is knowledge problem. You aren't exposed to the right knowledge of a book yet you feel you know it and have made a decision about it.

This is like a man who read Google map and start saying he now knows the road to every city of the world and doesn't need any assistance.

Don't you think such can end up in an ocean, left in the white cold without help?

This is the case of your conviction about the Bible.

So I say again, the issue here isn't believe system, but knowledge. This is why you need to calm down.

By the way, you read Moses as speaking of a talking snake? And others? In 2021?

I never know people still read and interpret Bible this funny way. You need to calm down Bro and learn. Is that okay?

Franking:


You don't know what you are saying. Many atheists including myself used to be christians. Religion is faith based and faith simply means belief in what lacks evidence. Your analogy is therefore faulty.

I say it again. You aren't an atheist. You are only looking for a group to identify with your troubled mind. I call such untrained psychologist.


Nothing new is saying "I used to be a Christian". Being a Christian doesn't make you one that understands the scriptures. The scriptures must be learnt even by Christians.

Now it's obvious in what you wrote that you weren't exposed to God's word at all, or better still you were exposed to man's imagination, false teaching using the scriptures.

You will do well to calm down and understand what you don't know, then you can be a good critics. As it stands now, whatever you discuss will be based on false premise (wrong teaching, you were exposed to in your sojourn in "church gathering".

Hope you get this now.

Franking:


If you don't console yourself then who will. Whatever makes you sleep at night. Atheism is bigger than you. Atheists refuse to accept the garbage you accept. Somewhere in Jeremiah God supposedly said " before you were formed in your mother's womb I knew you....." Think about that.

What did we carry, what did we throw. (Kí la gbé, Kí la jù)

Calm down Bro. Don't be troubled. It is obvious from your comment that you are one of those I referred to. You aren't an atheist. Stop speaking on what you don't know. You are only an untrained psychologist who believes he has found a new love.

Your issues start and end in proper interpretation of the false information you are exposed to. What I expect from you is a discussion if you know you truly have a conviction and understand why well.

So, why "strawmanning" me.

I agreed with you that you were exposed to garbage and it's obvious in your comments and the verse you quoted. But the issue here is you are using that garbage to form a lifestyle, a conviction even though in opposite direction. That alone has left the foundation of your conviction wrong.

Calm down and learn what the scriptures truly teach and rescue yourself from the cloud of false teaching and accusations. Then you can have a proper way of discussing your new found love.

1Sharon:


What?

Are you an untrained psychologist using atheism as breastplate to cover your heart.

Blakjewelry:

Some from archeological finding in Egypt, mesopotamia and various religious text Jewish tradition that the compilers of the bible didn't included but it doesn't mean they were not accepted by the Jewish people

I mean, the story was in the Bible. But was Moses re explaining what was already in their culture. That will be foolishness. The story of creation existed before he was born, he didn't form it, he learnt.

So now, the question is

1. Was Moses rewriting history to teach again what the audience already had in circulation. Note, the region and culture already have those stories in their day to day life.

2. Or was Moses using the prevailing stories in their time to communicate wisdom and the plan of his God. These are two different things.


Don't forget, Moses wasn't a creationist or scientist.l,not even a story teller. He was a prophet. Hence his message must be read as what a prophet wrote not as a scientific discoveries or historian.

Looking at how other Bible writers explained Moses, I guess you read Moses badly, and you may need to apologise to him

what do you think.

Blakjewelry:

The truth is if you want to be open minded when reading the Bible you will end up like me. It is what actually inspired this my quote. "In searching for the truth, you will find something more" my problem start while reading the Bible I fell in love with the history of man. my first copy was the history of the civilization of man. It explore the movement of man's civilization from ancient times, on further studies I discovered the bible was part history part oral tradition past down from mesopotamia tradition that is actually were they originated from.

Okay. Quite right with the history of the Bible. But how does that affect its message and truths.

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Are you one of the untrained psychologist? You are showing the traits lately. What's troubling you?

1Sharon:


Lol alot of people have lost their belief on this forum, myself included.
The atheists comment here really do make alot of theists think, just look at the ratio of likes on atheist Vs theists comments. 10 yes ago it wasnt like this.

But then to actually prove god exists or doesn't exist? Is a different matter entirely

Sis, don't celebrate this. It's still day. Most of those likes are from those I call untrained psychologist who camouflage as atheist. Those are people we have here. They are neither here or there. Move with the weather. Living a loud mouthed life but no conviction. Time is the test of such. Time breaks them, and instead for them to face it and brace up they find the next level, the next in-vogue.

We have seen them come (with their likes/share) and go in this same forum. Only that their unannounced going is usually to change account or become special guest viewers.

So, lots didn't loose their belief as you posit, they only get confused under life pressures and needed a cover to voice the confusion. NL is the cover, atheism is the slogan.

Blakjewelry:

The Adam and Eve story predate the Jewish era. There is even a Jewish version that eve was not first wife of Adam but Lilith. The Jewish religion has dozen of text written over a long period of time, find them and read you will it is not a myth. So laugh at idiots professing their religion like it so special but it no difference every other myth out there like Zeus and odin

Was this part of what you read from the scriptures Sir.?

Blakjewelry:

Always results to insult when you know you have nothing to offer. That is the tactics of small minds, using attack as means of defense. The knowledge I have is enough to crash your little brain. Why not come out with a valid point to counter what I have to say. I have read over a hundred non conical Jews text and historical decument and counting, when I was a Christian I have the bible from cover to cover, not even the pastor you run to for advice posseses half the knowledge I have so you don't shut your mouth only but your stupidity also.

Quite interesting you have the Bible cover to cover. Just wondering what informed you to neglect your commitment to it if you have truly read it well.

Blakjewelry:

Your anology is lame, it should be the Christian in fact I prefer the word a religious person that is standing at the other side of the door an can't find the handle. Most of us was once religious before we decided to seek for greater truth so we are the future and you guys living in the past, we have tasted both world, whereas you guys are scared to leave confort zone.

Bro, what greater truth. Can you share what that means.

LordReed:


If a god exists and is revealing himself to individuals then either something is wrong with that method or with the individuals since they cannot agree on what they are experiencing.

You left out a third individual which is central to this argument. Let me add it below (bold).

... either something is wrong with that method or with the individuals since they cannot agree on what they are experiencing. Or with a 3rd set of individuals who are not experiencing the God, since others are experiencing him but they dont.


LordReed
Five men who watch an event pass by, will give five different accounts of it, no matter how close their explanation are, their experiences will differ and will reflect in their explanations.

Now imagine a sixth man, who chooses to close his eyes to the passing event. He will have no experience to share, nor even know such events ever happened. Mostly even argue about its existence, asking for objective evidence.

This is the plight of an atheist.

Sapiosexuality:
Religion is useful but a critical and philosophical look at the characters that make them up betray them.

I still don't understand how a loving father will throw you into hell fire to burn forever and ever for a crime (if it's even worthy to be called such) we committed in a very short span.

If your son is really as super smart as you say he is, he'd get to this point and experience crisis but that crisis will give him better vision.

Whether God exists or not is not really my problem. My problem is with the morality of God. Is this God good? Is she/he worthy to be God? Is /she/he upright?

The burden of God's morality is placed on a proper interpretation of his words by the reader. His words (or what is claimed as his words) in this case, the scriptures, are everywhere. The burden will be on the reader to read properly and find the intent of the author to understand what he says. But not to conjure assumptions and false information like burning forever.

When this is done properly, you will reach the destination of your search and find the solution to the problem above.

God is always good.

Workch:
There's no reasoning in believing that women are made from ribs. Don't be stupid dude, work on your own reasoning first

You are the one who closes your eyes while reading. The writer never said such. You are the one without proper reading education to know how to handle such wisdom.

Workch:
Little wonder their books can't make proper educational schemes except from religious classes.
I'm glad those who grafted our curriculum weren't reasoning like you and the nomads

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Exactly. That's why you are reasoning like this.

Workch:
I would never have a discussion with some who trust and believes the Bible. Such person is bereaved of critical reasoning by default
I’m here to only make you see how stupid your beliefs are

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Sadly you only always end up showing your lack of reasoning and decorum. You only exposes your troubled heart and confused disposition.

Come home Bro, there is still room for more. You are exhausted already. You need rest.

Workch:
That still doesn’t mean that the Bible wasn’t written by Bronze Age nomads and still believed by modern semi-illiterates

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Those Bronze Age nomads have exerted pressure on your reasoning and understanding continuously. You can't stop speaking about them daily.

Workch:
We are not untrained psychologist because we refused to swallow the gibberish from the Bible

Yes you are correct.

You are actually, an untrained psychologists because you hold no conviction in anything.

Workch:
We have solved the problem long before now that the Bible is fake

The Bible is a lie from the pit of hell peddled by semi-illiterates

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Àfi pit of hell nà.

You can imagine if you are put on a seat to discuss your submissions, and you are just ranting like this. Won't you put your supporter to shame?

No single structured, organized and coordinated speech. Just noise. How do you have discussion with people around you sef.

Workch:
There's nothing you typed that makes the nonsense in the Bible less ridiculous.
The Bible is a piss of shit believed by mentally bereaved people.

No issue. I have heard this very much from other untrained psychologist like you.

Hate is not strategy. Even madness get methods. Dont let your hatred catch up with you.

Workch:
You do not need to be very psychological to know that women are not from ribs. You only need a "more than average" functioning brain and to stop taking a book written by illiterate nomad seriously

Bro, you still haven't solve your problem and you will start throwing straw if we have to examine the place you are talking about. The issue with you is, you don't know how to read a book. You read books like someone extracting chorus from a full song. Without knowing the verses of the songs.


Was Moses showing you what you just said? Did the other bible writers who quoted Moses interpreted that place as you did. Even if you can't read to know, why not examine other writers comment about the events before speaking out of context. When you turn the wisdom in literacy writing to comics, this is what you get.


I have told you, that you are so still held under the same shackles of false teaching you tends to criticized, howbeit opposite direction.

Workch:
When you are done weeping, let me know

You no know anything about what you always discuss at all.

You are just like a man who caused uproar in the exam hall because of his fine starched Agbada, only to find out he studied for the wrong course overnight.

His shame will be glaring in black and white just as yours is in your writings here.

Workch:
Anybody who thinks a man can be born without fertilization is semi-illiterate.
That includes yourself.

There’s nothing remaining in your head aside useless beliefs from the Bible

I agree with you. Àwon ológbón ayé. Untrained psychologist.

Workch:
1. Make man.
2. Give them freewill.
3. Kill 99.9% of them for using the freewill
4. Randomly Favour one group.
5. Never speak or write a single word.
6. Legalize slavery and ban shrimp.
7. Kill himself for a weekend.
8. Hide all testable evidence for his existence.
9. Revealed himself in a book written by Bronze Age nomads who didn’t know basic science.
10. Shows himself today to semi-illiterates that have poor understanding of how the natural world that he created operates.

What a marvelous god.

@LordReed, I hope you can read the bold.

- Semi illiterates
- Poor understanding of how the natural world operates.

These are the Àwon ōlōgbōn ayé, untrained psychologists I spoke about.

Workch:
Its nonsense for you believe that females were created from ribs.
You are worse than the Bronze Age herdsmen that conjured the story if you still do not know that’s ridiculous in this age of information.

You should be ashamed of yourself that in this time of technological advancement, you still believe that women were created from ribs. I spit on your beliefs

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Àwon bible reader ayé

Even after several warning, you still read books upside down. Turn it properly so that you can read well Bro.

Rib kò, Robbin hood nì.

coolshegs1

It's is a round function.

Replace your formula with this

=Round((C8*D8*B8)*52/12,-1)

You should have your answer.

The function is to round to the nearest 10.

I think there is also a way you can use the number format window to do this if you don't what to use function with formula showing. But I can't remember the number format syntax now. I guess that's what your original work used.

Try check the custom Number format box settings of the original work. You will see the syntax. Just copy it and use in yours.

Hope this help.

1Sharon:


Shebi the holy spirit is what pastors use to prophesy about the future and people

Is that so? And also used for reading your mind? Oya, knee down let me read your mind now.

Okay. I can see your mind planing now. It's like you feel like taking parfait. I saw parfait in your heart. That's your mind

Don't argue it o. Lol

May God help us from these false information and false teaching that have saturated the heart of people . And have led people away.