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NuclearReactor:
That "knew you" refers to Jeremiahs abilities, potential, personality, strengths, weaknesses,etc
Even when men get acquainted with him they can still hurt him to the point of regret, that doesn't disprove his omniscience...

Qudsi:
I can see you attempts are really failing.

You are beginning to fumble at your attempts to explain things or comprehend them without your links.

You didn't have to go into defining Atheism for me. Let me repeat what I wrote up there and which you yourself quoted but as usual you failed at comprehending what I wrote. In my own words:

"I got into Christianity because I have seen that no other religion or non-religion belief system like Atheism really has the answer. Christianity as introduced by Jesus Christ remains the only faith with the answer and it remains standing despite the attacks against it for more than 2000 years. I once did that too but no more.

Guys, please everyone re-read what I wrote there. Please, IamMichael, read it carefully. Even if you have to do it letter for letter. Everyone, Please, can you all see what I wrote:


Non-religion belief system like Atheism....


IamMichael, haha! Always fond of the links. You can't have Intelligent discussions without those links. It's amazing that you uplifted that statement of mine and was unable to see that I wrote "other religion or non-religion......"

If you can fail at little stuffs like these. How do we continue to trust most of what you just copy and paste as topics without doing diligent check on current understanding of the subject matter.

Qudsi:
Guys, let be careful of this IamMichael guy. He is a fraud.
Look at some of the things I have found out.

He said in the post that he copied from the link that Mithras was born of a Virgin but see what another independent site returned. That is Wikipedia.

Mithras was born from a rock and he was a Mythological figure. Not even a Historical figure.


Guys, we really need to be careful of some of these satanic seeds/agents spreading lies in other to weaken the faith of baby Christians.

I am still pouring through what he posted. It is amazing some of the old unrealiable source and authors with bias against Christianity that this information was sourced from. They have been debunked. Just some old Zeitgeist conspiracy theory that was even made into a movie that have been debunked that he putting up.

This is so wicked. There is no length that these satanic children won't go to in their fight against the peaceful Jesus Christ but in vain do they fight.
Psalm 2:1-5 KJV — Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

Qudsi:
It's obvious without your copy and paste links from Rowe and the rest. Your Low IQ becomes evident.
You might need a Rowe approved link for "these days" and not "this days" like you wrote. Your own link from individuals with a clear case of bias against Christianity is "alright", right?!! but his own link is suddenly the one with biased opinion.

I got into Christianity because I have seen that no other religion or non-religion belief system like Atheism really has the answer. Christianity as introduced by Jesus Christ remains the only faith with the answer and it remains standing despite the attacks against it for more than 2000 years. I once did that too but no more.

For your information. Even the source that PervertProphet copied from. I found this in there which is quite honest and commendable coming from a Christian rebuttal post to the ones of critics/skeptics like yours. Yours didn't include it's source which clearly shows a very dishonest move with a clear bias to attack Christianity.

https://coldcasechristianity.com/writings/is-jesus-simply-a-retelling-of-the-mithras-mythology/

Note: For more information about Mithraism, refer to three important volumes related to the Mithraic Cult. These later works are far more reliable than 19th century scholarship (often cited by skeptics who claim Jesus is a retelling of Mithras): The Origins of the Mithraic Mysteries (Cosmology and Salvation in the Ancient World) by David Ulansey (Oxford University Press, 1989), Mithras, the Secret God by M. J. Vermaseren (Barnes and Noble Publishers, 1963), and Mithraic Studies (Proceedings of the First International Congress of Mithraic Studies – 2 Volumes) edited by John R Hinnells (Manchester University Press, 1975).

Your own link wrote what you consider such a serious subject matter and failed to cite their sources for us to see where Richard Rowe got his information from so we can investigate it further but J. Warner who wrote the rebuttal on the Cold-Case Christianity Site gave his Sources and Thank God you provided the link to that Site that PervertProphet failed to provide. I find the site to be filled with very rich contents. It deals with several more topics other that this one you copied and posted of which I can now see that yours is a lie. It's a blessing in disguise that you posted that link. Every Christian needs to check the website out and their YouTube videos. They really answer several questions by Atheists/Skeptics, etc who attack Christianity.

I got into Christianity because I have seen that no other religion or non-religion belief system like Atheism really has the answer.

Maximus69:
Let me be plain to you now!

If you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you're as good as an atheist or freethinker.

For your information, everyone else is trying to use their so called common sense, in that they choose what pleases them at the same time claiming they're on God's side. ATHEISM only came out plainly to reveal the real thought behind the minds of 99.9% of earth's inhabitants.

So as long as you pick the religion of your choice or feel like erasing all forms of heartfelt dedication, you're an unbeliever to us!

A true Christian will live the rest of his life from the moment he dedicate his life to our God for Jesus NOT FOR HIMSELF ANYMORE!

So we have rules like that of the traffic that helps us to determine (to an extent) what our fellow believer will do in a certain situation. That's why we can travel to any part of this planet and be rest assured that we are safe with our fellow believer (JW).

None of you can try that because each of you still feel like making use of his/her common sense, which makes you uncertain of what the other person might do to you in the face of Racial or Political strife!

So the more you look the less you see my friend, all of you are on the same side. Satan is just deceiving you making you feel you're better than each other whereas all of you are influenced by the situation Satan put you. True Christians will make decisions based on what we learnt from Jesus no matter the situation we find ourselves!

That's why there is completely trust in our minds whenever we find ourselves in the hands of a JW from anywhere!

Maximus69:
If we are to make use of our common sense, there will never be PEACE on this planet, in fact it's going to be a catastrophe!

It's like most of you guys don't have a rethink over what you have in mind before spewing it into the air!

For your information, common sense means the way freethinkers view matters, in this instance each person will first think of what will benefit him personally.

So tell me how such will yield a positive result?

A perfect example of what we're saying here is the busy road we take everyday. Imagine what will happen if there is no traffic rule!

You, i and every other road user each wants to make use of his/her common sense!

In the same way, there is no sense expecting intelligent beings each having a mind of his/her own, aims and objectives to do things in an orderly manner when nothing is controlling their thoughts!

That's why most nations trying to eradicate religion finds it really difficult to practice capitalism, because you can't expect people having different mindsets and tasks to willingly subject themselves to the same rule!

Maximus69:
Obviously you're not reading with care!

Your freethinking made you turn away from all reasonableness.

I said there is just one single Christian religion and it's known today as Jehovah's Witnesses Organization!

It is totally against our belief to carry weapons for any reason whatsoever!

All those killers are not Christians!

I've told you this from the beginning of my comments!

That's why a Bible scholar said there is no freethinking, all processed freethinkers are psychopaths!
If not so, how come you are accusing true Christians of killing after i've told you that true Christians don't have any condemned enemy that's worthy of death from our own doctrines?

And for your information, there is no way you or any other person can erase people's thoughts without preaching and teaching to convince them. So the idea that people will just wake up one day and become atheists is a dream that will never come to pass!

immaq8:
pls stop quoting her. is it that difficult to do?
Let her be!

Arkmanbuddy:
I think you're confused as to the very definition of creation. Let me put it simply: who created Toyota cars? Toyota company, right? But the company is only an entity, robots and humans produce the cars in their factories, but the name Toyota is said as the producer. The reason is that the company has already created a system: robotic automation, and skilled engineers to create the cars.

Anywhere you see a Toyota car, you always refer to them by the name of the company as the producer. The same is with God, he has created a system for Mass production of the human species like the one he himself molded.

Lest I forget, if you have knowledge of hydraulics in machine production, you'd realize that a product being produced always has the shape of the machine or tool molding it. The same with cars chasis, and other body parts.

Also, every part in a Toyota car is said to be produced by the company, not the workers in the company.

Maximus69:
And i hope to see you and your fellow atheists form a global family of peace loving people with your theories!

What i presented to you is not just a story from a comic book.

To illustrate, imagine a city where people are getting sick and the illnesses is on the increase, many claims to be professors in chemistry and they are telling people that they can provide a solution to the pandemic.

There were three Chemistry institutions, the first is making lots of textbooks with all forms of theories, expecting people to make use of the textbooks and find solution to the problem on their own.

Second institution make fewer textbooks but built gigantic laboratories with all types of equipments, and makes advertisement in all social media yet the sick people going there never got cured.

The third institution made just one single textbook and built small laboratories in every corner of the town, but whoever goes to the laboratories and follow the prescribed dosage of their drugs is cured.

Please who will you rate as qualified in the field?

Well the first institution is ATHEISM, you people makes lots and lots of books about planets and so many other philosophies but failed woefully to cure the real problem facing mankind ~ Hatred cursed by Racism, Politics, Sexual promiscuity, Juvenile delinquencies and the rest.
Each year millions are been killed directly or indirectly due to this psychological illnesses and ATHEISM could only argue argue and argue with nothing to solve or ease the tension!

The second institution is false religions, this ones have fewer books because unlike atheists they do lesser reading but built gigantic religious edifices all over the place, their countless doctrines, standards and morals are like the equipments in their laboratories. But by the end of the day none has succeeded in curing their adherents of Hatred cursed by Racism, Politics, Sexual promiscuity, Juvenile delinquencies and all other hurtful human traits. Rather it has escalated to bigger problems!

The third institution is God's Organization (Jehovah's Witnesses), this one have just one textbook in the sense that all what they believe (trust) is that book! They built smaller laboratories in the sense that they made little worship centers and zealous in preaching and teaching program (inviting the sick to come and get cured), all those who followed their prescribed dosages (the teachings of Jesus Christ) are cured!
That's why they're able to bring people from all nations, tribes and tongues under one umbrella to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers!

So my friend, let me see how ATHEISM has solved the problems of hatred amongst ATHEISTS from different races, class and gender before coming to say the achievement of God's people should be trashed like comic books!

NuclearReactor:
A persons emotions doesn't make them weak, Jesus cried, he felt pity, he still wasn't weak...
Emotions when controlled and properly reacted to can be a driving force for good...
If a person never had trust and expectation towards another he/she won't feel disappointed by such persons misbehaviour, so because he had positive expectations towards people he can be let down and hurt...
What makes him different from humans is he doesn't react to emotions like humans!!

southniyikaye:
you made your point and since then did I comment?
Provoking me deliberately is getting me angry, for the last time, stop quoting me. I have moved on, it's almost a month, I expect you to do same.
Stop quoting me on that thread, I won't say it again

Maximus69:
I've presented the one and only TRUE Christian Organization to you, only for you to start joking as if you're no more serious about your inquiries!

That's why i said

"since you've discovered the way to distinguish between falsehood and pure worship, if you're now tired of the quest, i'll leave you with your friends so that you can continue entertaining yourself"

NuclearReactor:
Those who blame Satan for everything are ignorant...
God created mam with freewill, that's his design of man, one cannot be regarded as obedient without having a chance to disobey... His children weren't brainless they conversed with God in the garden occasionally, so they had convictions of his nature and expectations, but they choose to disobey, they had to choose between satisfying their curiosity and obeying God...
Yes humans have the ability to make him regret, yeah, cause as omniscient as he is he still has emotions which humans can hurt by the freewill he gave them

southniyikaye:
A Nairalander by the moniker IamMichael opened a thread sometimes ago about religion and I made my own contributions.
https://www.nairaland.com/5818412/asked-question-creation-christian-muslim

Well when it comes to religion, everybody has its own views and I contributed. I didn't insult neither did I provoke anyone with my contribution.
He quoted me and stated his own facts which contradicts mine and well I let it slide since we can't all be of the same opinion.
Ever since then, he quoted me twice using me as reverence and I told him to stop quoting me and he said I can't stop him and since then, he has been quoting me, provoking me and getting me angry. Saying all sorts of demeaning things.
You are an atheist, I am a Christian, we can't get along when it comes to religion and I let it slide cos I don't want to provoke anyone.
Its almost a month now, why do you still quoting me and provoking me? What's the meaning of that nonsense naw?
If people can't contribute in peace to your topic then you have no business on nairaland.

Seun
Lalasticlala
Mynd44
Pls take note, I am really vexed.
I have warned him several times and he keep doing same.

kingxsamz:
But it is a must that this universe was created by God?
Abeg shift, with your bias opinion.

NuclearReactor:
There are many medical reasons behind children being born with illnesses, most are genetic, transferred from parent to children, whatever the case, many times the natural laws of medicine were at work... This time to the disadvantage of such children, Blaming God for the not so nice results of the many things that happen naturally and not even giving him due praise for the good ones is just plain silly

Maximus69:
Without further inquiries, i think the difference between true Christianity and those with whom you've been entertaining yourself!

Now you can continue playing with your friends!

Qudsi:
Just read what you wrote up there and how you deviated from what I wrote in other to cover up your wrong claims.

It seems to me that without the links you usually copy from. You usually don't make much sense.

Without the links you usually copy from. Your reasoning capability is not up to par. This means you are posing as a knowledgeable person that you are not.

What Stealing got to do with the two links that you and PervertProphet both copied from two different sources.

I as an independent viewer looked at the both information. I then ran my own digging and found out that yours had actually been debunked and is considered a myth by serious researchers. His own source of information is actually up to date with current understanding of the Mithras Vs Jesus subject matter.

If you get this angry when some of your information are found out to be untrue. Then how are we sure that most of what you put up here are not embellished lies masked up as true in other to push your Atheist narrative.

Look, don't be a Coward. Anyone who knows a thing or two knows most of the information you push here are narratives from Atheists. Come out as one. It's hypocritical to keep hiding what's already obvious. I am very sure that the Christians won't hurt you if you do so.

Qudsi:
That doesn't take away the fact that he, PervertProphet is correct. He copied his rebuttal to you from a credible source and you copied yours from another source.
Nobody invents any new knowledge. We all learn from the knowledge already on ground before us.
I was actually believing your lies on the Mithras as Christ story until I saw PervertProphet's response and I was like, Wait, a minute!!

If you, IamMichael can be wrong on the Mithras as Jesus story and the fact that what you yourself copied from another link was not up to date on Mithras Vs Jesus then how I am not sure that all the other subject matters you wrote up there are not lies just to push your Atheist narrative.

I checked what you copied from another link and what he, PervertProphet copied from another link and yours has been debunked especially as regards the Mithras Vs Jesus subject matter. What PervertProphet copied from the other source was in consonance with what Scholars assert which is that the Mithras as Jesus thing is a Myth.

Let's wait for PervertProphet's response.

Maximus69:
(3) After the commissioning of this global preaching and teaching program, an evil genius disrupted the arrangement by killing all the pioneers of Jesus' teachings and replacing it with a counterfeit form of Christianity!
This happened almost 200 years after Jesus commissioned the program so the only religion known as Christians from then till about 1000 years later is the AntiChrist known today as the Roman Catholic Church!
Many of the members protested against the Church due to their oppresive attitude and that's how most of today's religions emerged (including Islam)

The benefits of Jesus' teachings wasn't felt much during the first century because the Jews didn't fancy Jesus' peace keeping mission, but during the late 1800s America (the nation gradually becoming the world power) declared FREEDOM of speech, expression and worship, and that was the moment of a turn around for God's true servants to begin shining the way Jesus planned it!

A small group of Bible students began digging deep into God's word and they discovered so many false teachings that the churches of Christendom have used to brainwash people into Racism and Politics.

So they organised themselves and began teaching themselves the truth as found in God's word.

God favoured this group by giving them his blessings in 1919 after they had been imprisoned for opposing the false teachings of Christendom Churches, they were directed by God's holy spirit to restart the preaching and teaching program Jesus commissioned back then in 1919.

Last year makes 100 years of their zealous preaching and teaching program globally, the result of their application!

©They have succeeded in catching people from different races under the heavens and making them vow never to raise up weapons for any reason whatsoever! Isaiah 2:2-4
©They have formed a global family of peace loving worshipers that can easily relate with one another no matter the tribe, nation or race they may come from! John 17:20-23
©They are the most peaceable in any society you find them!
©They have been taught to have deep love for humble honest hearted and sincere people like themselves in any nation! John 13:34-35
©They have the best husbands, wives and children regarding happy and peaceful homes.
© They are very patient and kind because they trust in the timing of their God to right all wrongs, while other religions have turned to rage killing their fellow man.
© They exert themselves vigorously to help in reaching other honest hearted people in their neighbourhood until Covid19 pandemic stopped them!

So from 1919~2019 they have trained over 8,700,000 people from different races to embrace the message of PEACE globally.

Their central unit of control known as Governing Body ordered them to stop going to knock on people's doors due to Covid19, to me it's like God is sending a warning to the whole world because they restarted the program in 1919 and in 2019 they were ordered to stop globally due to a pandemic named Covid19!

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Thanks!

Rozz:
funny,you can type sha, I haven't really read it

PervertProphet:
Claim: Mithras was born of a virgin on December 25th, in a cave, attended by shepherds
Truth: Mithras was actually born out of solid rock, leaving a hole in the side of a mountain (presumably described as a “cave”). He was not born of a virgin (unless you consider the rock mountain to have been a virgin). His birth was celebrated on December 25th, but the first Christians knew this was not the true date of Christ’s birth anyway, and both Mithraic worshippers and the early Roman Church borrowed this celebration from earlier winter solstice celebrations. Shepherds are part of Mithraism, witnessing his birth and helping Mithras emerge from the rock, but interestingly, the shepherds exist in the birth chronology at a time when humans are not supposed to have been yet born. This, coupled with the fact the earliest version of this part of the Mithraic mythology emerges one hundred years after the appearance of the New Testament, infers it is far more likely this portion of Mithraism was borrowed from Christianity rather than the other way around.

Claim: Mithras was considered a great traveling teacher and master
Truth: There is nothing in the Mithraic tradition indicating he was a teacher of any kind, but he was could have been considered a master of sorts. This would not be unexpected of any deity, however. Most mythologies describe their gods in this way.

Claim: Mithras had 12 companions or disciples
Truth: There is no evidence for any of this in the traditions of Iran or Rome. It is possible the idea Mithras had 12 disciples is simply derived from murals in which Mithras is surrounded by twelve signs and personages of the Zodiac (two of whom are the moon and the sun). Even this imagery is post Christian, and, therefore, did not contribute to the imagery of Christianity (although it could certainly have borrowed from Christianity).

Claim: Mithras promised his followers immortality
Truth: While there is little evidence for this, it is certainly reasonable to think Mithras might have offered immortality, as this is not uncommon for any God of mythology.

Claim: Mithras performed miracles
Truth: Of course this is true, as this too was not uncommon for mythological characters.

Claim: Mithras sacrificed himself for world peace
Truth: There is little or no evidence this is true, although there is a story about Mithras slaying a threatening bull in a heroic deed. But that’s about as close as it gets.

Claim: Mithras was buried in a tomb and after three days rose again, and Mithras was celebrated each year at the time of His resurrection (later to become Easter)
Truth: There is nothing in the Mithraic tradition indicating he ever even died, let alone resurrected. Tertullian did write about Mithraic believers re-enacting resurrection scenes, but he wrote about this occurring well after New Testament times. Christianity could not, therefore, have borrowed from Mithraic traditions, but the opposite could certainly be true.

Claim: Mithras was called “the Good Shepherd”, and was identified with both the Lamb and the Lion
Truth: There is no evidence that Mithras was ever called “the Good Shepherd” or identified with a lamb, but since Mithras was a sun-god, there was an association with Leo (the House of the Sun in Babylonian astrology), so one might say he was associated with a Lion. But once again, all of this evidence is actually post New Testament; Mithraic believers may once again have borrowed this attribute from Christianity.

Claim: Mithras was considered to be the “Way, the Truth and the Light,” and the “Logos,” “Redeemer,” “Savior” and “Messiah.”
Truth: Based on the researched and known historic record of the Mithraic traditions, none of these terms has ever been applied to Mithras with the exception of “mediator”. But this term was used in a very different from how Christians used the term. Mithras was not the mediator between God and man but the mediator between the good and evil gods of Zoroaster.

Claim: Mithraic believers celebrated Sunday as Mithras’ sacred day (also known as the “Lord’s Day,”)
Truth: This tradition of celebrating Sunday is only true of Mithraic believers in Rome and it is a tradition that dates to post Christian times. Once again, it is more likely to have been borrowed from Christianity than the other way around.

Claim: Mithraic believers celebrated a Eucharist or “Lord’s Supper”
Truth: Followers of Mithras did not celebrate a Eucharist, but they did celebrate a fellowship meal regularly, just as did many other groups in the Roman world.


You are one of those satanic pathological liar. You can fool some people but you can't fool all people. I need to start keeping a tab on you so we expose to the people your numerous lies and your ignorance on subject matters.

If you are ready and able. Take up the Challenge and let us dig further into your lying claims that Mithras was rebranded as Jesus Christ so we can dig further into the details between the two.

Rozz:
may God have mercy on you

Faponmile:
Great work. Fanatics and brainwashed gargoyles would love to have your head for dinner. Why are people afraid to read and ask questions?

Maximus69:
You are welcome Sir!

Hmmmmmmmm!

Well let me assure you that you've not mentioned one single Christian in all!

All these people are misinformed churchgoers claiming Christians!

First of all i want you to know that

KNOWLEDGE is the accumulation of useful information, surely any good reader and listener will possess it.

But

WISDOM is the practical application of accumulated information for lasting benefits, so wisdom is scarce.

There are three factors of divine wisdom!

THEORIES
PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS
BENEFITS

So to ascertain the true source of divine guidance, try to view all religious concepts as mere THEORIES whether the Bible, Qur'an or any other religious book and/or group. Then their way of sacred service as the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what all that's found in their seemingly stupid theories. Then comes the most important aspect which is LASTING BENEFITS.

All the concepts in this world are just like theories so ask for the practical application from adherents then try and see if there is any benefit in all they're infusing in their brains!

I tell you today that all the religious and none religious groups saying they know something about life will fail to pass these three tests, except the one and only TRUE RELIGION from God!

Once again you are welcome Sir!

Maximus69:
Because you heard contradicting opinions and conflicting theories from them doesn't mean you've met the true worshipers of the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob in our time!

1) - Have you found God?
- Have you seen God?
- Have you heard from God before in your
entire life?
- Have you felt God before in your entire life?
- If you have felt God, what exactly did you feel?

2) - How did you find God?
- What did he look like when you saw him?
- What did he sound like when you heard him?
- How did you realise what you are feeling was
God?

3) - In what ways does God manifest himself in
your life?
- What is the most visible thing that is a direct
resultant of your meeting with God?

I'm sure as a wise man, you don't need the bible to answer the above questions sincerely as someone who has found God.

kingxsamz:
Lol... Those days, I heard the black spot is a sign that one is prayerful and devoted.
That once one is committed, the sign would appear on his forehead.

peggywebbs:
You said 200 years time? So we will still be running on battery. My dear we won't be around in 200 years time.. that's another generation but we will definitely know the truth about the existence of God.


There is nothing to lose in believing the existence of God. Unless you don't believe you have a spirit, I hope you are not waiting for scientist to create a spirit too.

P.s you didn't give me evidence of your science making any useful organs. If you mean developing tissue based on an existing tissue, that is not creating, thats basically discovering.

We have a spirit and that's why when people die, they give their last breath. Science is meant to explain how this are or react, it does not create, it only improves upon already existing matter.