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Sorry guys that I couldn't update today. Will continue tomorrow. However, till then, I want to ask you a question about concepts or things we can't see. - Love, Hate, Anger, Despair, Euphoria, Hunger, etc are all ethereal concepts. In other words, despite the fact that we can't see see nor touch them, we can feel them, we can sense them as well as notice them by simple deduction. When you think about the being who is the central focus of your religious worship, what do you feel? |
reigncalif1:The questions you raised are exactly the type of questions every right thinking person should ask upon coming to the age of reasoning. However, once those questions are not properly answered, the mind starts making up things on its own. Check for instance, when you call someone and they don't answer their call, what does your mind do next? |
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gsegun43:You are welcome. |
paxonel:Given the right circumstances, anyone can be indoctrinated. |
masterP042:You are the only reasonable person in this thread. I don't really blame all the previous posters, none of them even took their time to read the op. All their comments are offkey. No wonder the government do not take them serious. |
Stephenomozzy:Sure. It was my plan. Just wanted to give an introduction. ![]() |
sexy74:I have started ooo.... |
OtemAtum:Thanks bro. They will. |
CAPSLOCKED:You are correct bro. However, it was on Nairaland here that I also started my journey of being emancipated. In fact, there was a thread here back then that after reading, it challenged my rationality that I had a religious overturn. I started seeing truth because i stopped allowing my sense of reasoning to be clouded by things that defied reason. In that manner too, I believe that if someone come accross this thread, they may be able to challenge themselves too. It starts with a thought. |
paxonel:You can't say that atheist's have been indoctrinated. Atheism simply means "non-belief in any form of god". Remember that while some atheist's are people who quit their religious beliefs, some atheist's were born into being atheist's because their parents were non-religious adherents. |
Mrpsly247:Please, if you are not here to ask a question or to learn or to read and simply move on, I will love for you to not derail the thread. Regards!!! |
I reserved this space to tell our people a very big secret... I am a freethinker, and i became one after realizing that to the whites, we are probably like 30-50yrs far behind. Our people are not even getting it, we are still living in their past. In 1920, it is a very big deal to travel out of the country to foreign Western countries in search of greener pastures. This is 2020, it has still remained a very big deal for anyone from our side of the divide to go there. But, to them, it is business as usual, just with their own continuous advancement. When the first came, they used religious affiliations to penetrate our people. Today, it is still the same religious affiliation that is occurring. In England, religion is a private thing among English people despite whatever you want to believe. This people are living in different era's as against whatever you think, and we still don't know it. We are living in their culture and have lost our own culture. Our people are still very primitive that they still believe it is a big deal to marry a white person. Up till today, we are still getting financial aids from them while they continue to see us as people in frequent need of help... For instance, if you are quora user, you get first hand information and gossip from the ordinary white guys. You get to learn a lot, things that if you told, you will be in shock. You get to start understanding things from their own side of the history as understood by their citizens; both skilled and unskilled, professionals and experts, including their leaders. I have once seen The Canadian President take out time to answer a question asked him directly on the platform. It's enlightening. Anyway, whether or not you a religious adherent, I want you to take your time and go through this link on Quora(open in app for better optimization). https://www.quora.com/Why-doesnt-the-UK-have-televangelists-like-in-the-USA After that, type the same question in Google when you are free and take your time to go through the results Google will provide you Viz: Why-doesnt-the-UK-have-televangelists-like-in-the-USA? I will love everyone that visit this thread to visit those sites. |
RELIGIOUS INDOCTRINATION I'm going to use the above listed means of indoctrination to summarize what every religion does in a nutshell. Every Religious outfit uses countless techniques to get new members, get its members to stay, commit themselves and take part in all their religious activities. The sum of these techniques constitutes what some people call "mind control." It's also known as "thought reform," "brainwashing" and "coercive persuasion," and it involves the systematic breakdown of a person's sense of self, including his ability to reason and use his common sense. Every religion implores this tactics to keep their hold on their adherents. They include: 1) Religion uses Ad Populum to fester and grow. Ad populum means playing to the gallery. What does this entail? Literally, what this means is that, "If many believe so, it is so". According to Wikipedia, the other names for Argumentum Ad populum are/include: - appeal to common belief, - appeal to the majority, - appeal to the masses, - appeal to popularity, - argument by consensus, - authority of the many, - bandwagon fallacy, - consensus gentium (Latin for "agreement of the people" .One example is this post i quoted below: southniyikaye:This post is the typical example of bandwagon effect. I think i only made one post or thereabout before he made the post. He didn't even understand what the thread is all about, he didn't even wait to know every detail, he didn't also comment on what is actually posted on the thread before commenting before he jumped in to comment. I took my time to address everything he said, and asked him some questions, he disappeared. Another poster here also raised one of the issue's i asked him earlier. That question for emphasis is, how did you confirm what you were told as a child is true when you became an adult? He replied with this: southniyikaye:Note the bolded and the highlighted parts of his statements. He corroborated what he was told as a child and in the bible by again quoting the bible, repeating the exact things he has been told in the past as a child repeatedly, the exact same thing every christian religious adherents also do. The disheartening part of it is that he doesn't even realize that that is exactly what he is doing, but he thinks he corroborated. Playing to the gallery, appeal to common belief, bandwagon effect. When you ask a religious adherent a question, they first quote their Religious book for you, then explain the Religious book and then expect you to believe it as they have done. When you ask them how they communicate with their religious God, they quote their Religious book for you, give a rehearsed explanation, and expect you to believe. When you ask them do/if they know their religious book book is affecting their sense of reasoning, they quote their Religious book for you, give you a rehearsed explanation and expect you to believe. When you tell them they are addicted to their Religion and religious book even more than junkies, they quote their religious book for you, give you a rehearsed explanation and expect you to believe. Do you know the funny part? southniyikaye:Mind you, in his first quote, he said he grew up to confirm what he was told as a child. He is still not getting the point. How can you for instance grow to confirm if your father is indeed your father without an independent third party (DNA TEST). Your guardians juxtaposing as your dad and mom have been telling you from childhood that they are your biological parents, and then when you grow up as an adult, you also went to them to confirm if they're your biological parents. So, when they answer you again in the affirmative, you believe it... because they are your parents. What if they adopted you? What if you are the child of their relation? What if they kidnapped/stole you from your original biological parents? They may have done any of this and decided you will never know about it. This person above doesn't even realize that his religious understanding are that giving him by his immediate environment, and that he is simply bearing same fruit. His Religion has made him not realize just how ridiculous his statements and replies are because it is what is obtainable in his given environment. His idea of confirmation of previous teachings is by repetition of the same teachings: " Jesus is lord... By the name of Jesus, every knee shall bow... I shouted Jesus during accident and he saved me...I have avoided death situations by shouting Jesus... etc, etc." Are you seeing the pattern here? Playing to the gallery. When you try to go deep for those who say they receive the alleged holy spirit, they tell you you also have to receive the same spirit to fully understand the word of God because God is spirit. When you try to ask them how do they tell when the spirit is upon them, they tell you have to be in the spirit to know. When you ask them how to be in this spirit to know, they tell you have to be in serious relationship with Jesus. When you ask them how to be in serious relationship with Jesus, they tell you have to read the Bible. When you ask them how do you develop serious relationship with Jesus by reading the Bible, they say you have to have the holy spirit in you because he interprets the bible and then have faith. Are you seeing the pattern here? This people don't even understand what they are doing, and the worst part is that they don't even know it. Reason has been destroyed, and replaced with Religious repetitive bandwagonism. But if at all they actually know the meaning of faith, they would know that faith applies to something that works, not something that relies on opinions of others to Keep going. At the mention of Jesus, every knee shall bow. Really? How many times have you mentioned Jesus and seen any knee bowing in your life? Ask yourself that question, i mean it, just ask yourself that question honestly and answer it. And the final part, they develop imaginary anger and start insulting you. southniyikaye:In one thread, one of them even invoked the central being of his Religious belief to curse me severally. |
Who is easier to convince between this two:Now, let's move on to the process of Indoctrination. How does indoctrination work? Every indoctrination follows this methodologies: 1. Start while they’re young. This is why I asked the above question. Given the choice, majority of people will not have been religious. Children with their innocent seeking mind are bombarded with religious doctrines from childhood, forced to cram pages and pages of books they don't even understand. In their schools, a particular subject is set aside to continue from where their religious groups stopped. As children who are not aware of anything, they begin to believe what they are told everyday and what they are forced to repeat are true. I have seen children talking about the bible with little to no understanding of what they are doing. One child says "our teacher said", and another "our pastor said". For children, it is a matter of who said what and who didn't say what. I weep, because I know this children are being forced to regurgitate something they cannot even begin to understand even as adults. They have been forced to believe mere hearsay as fact, to think that fantasies are are reality. The funny thing is that, the people teaching them this things also believe this things to be true, which even compounds the problem more. After all, one cannot give what they don't have. Everywhere this children look, they get the confirmation bias. Nothing at all to make them believe otherwise... With the global enshrining of Christmas, things are compounded more because almost everyone is doing it. How do you expect such a child to not also believe, after all the parents, siblings and everyone they know are doing it genuinely. It is hard, so the indoctrination is so much easier to perpetuate because everyone else is doing it. it is a well known fact. But, as adults, sooner or later, you grow out of it, especially if starts interfering with your personal activities but still hang around cuz of the society you are in. However, deep in the mind, you know you don't feel anything for it. They found a way to still cricumvent round traditional practices, making it ingrained in their adherents that not being one of them now means total seclusion. Being social beings, not being part of the things that now form part of your daily activities becomes hard to quit because you now do it to please and to avoid seclusion...So, as a grown up, you realise that you literally cannot do without this group that has being part of life since birth, even gave you your name. Everything becomes more difficult when you realise that everyone around you is into it, and you don't want to be the abberation, the outcast. So, the child ends up being part of the group. But lifestyle wise, they soon realise that they can combine both. They start justifying their acts in line with their beliefs. They do things against their beliefs, but in secret because it cannot be known to others last they chastise and despise them. So, the excuses, justifications finally become part of the lifestyle and they are meant to believe that their religious being which they worship will always forgive them if they go to him. Everything is now justified and modified to suit the ever growing adventurous mind because they are key to it all. The child is now an adult, becomes part of the ruse. 2. Create the illusion of political freedom. 3. Use simplistic stereotypes to sway public opinion. 4. Mix facts with lies. 5. A big lie is more convincing than a small lie. 6. Give the masses “bread and circuses” to keep them well-fed and distracted. 7. Simplify complex issues by portraying them as dichotomies. Eliminate nuance. 8. Spread propaganda by all means possible. 9. Ostracize dissident voices through ridicule or defamation. 10. Faith in the correctness of a religion or ideology is more powerful than force. 11. Manipulate history records to support your religion or ideology. 12. Control different sides of the same debate and you control the outcome. 13. The masses are less swayed by reason than by stirring their emotions. 14. Drive the opposition in a corner. When they fight back, act like a victim. 15. Label all non-conformistic behavior as pathological and promote “cures” for them. 16. Use rituals and mass events to keep people occupied and strengthen their faith. |
Coming to our own palance here in Nigeria, let's look at some of the forms of coded indoctrinations: Have you ever wondered why every form to be filled in our country requests for your religion? What about applying and getting a job for government or private? What about entering into higher institutions in which recommendation letters are requested? What about in your community? Have you taken time to observe the way different religious groups interact? In Nigeria, the subtle religious indoctrination format is "We v Them". As a southerner, I can't claim to know everything about my history, but from the little i have researched, Christianity worked well in this part because our ancestors then we're enticed with gifts and the likes, especially the poor and lazy. How can you for instance, convince someone that has large bans of yam, has many wives and children with enough farm produce to last year's to abandon their god whom they believed have been providing everything they needed to make bountiful harvest? You can't, it's impossible. So, they courted the poor, lazy and despised in those societies, fed them, clothed them and allowed them work for them to earn money. They gave them the easy life while telling them they have a loving father above who sent them to come and save them. Remember, Easterners already believed in Olisa, the allfather whom they believe that smaller god's like Amadioha, etc intercede to on their behalf. So, it was easy to convince them. Names like "Chukwu" and the "chi" in the last names of most Igbo people are results of this early conversions, which is a total transliteration of original Igbo names. Yes, those names are not original Igbo names. The last surviving original Igbo names are few now, and can only be seen in Surnames. This is why some of our more educated sons are crying that our language is dying, but a lot of people don't understand. I can authoritatively tell you that majority of Igbo people cannot speak Igbo Language without adding English to it. That's how bad it is. Now back to course, the same approach didn't work in the North because,well, the Christians came late to the party in the North. I don't know much about Islam, but from the little i have read about Usman and his brother Abdullahi Dan Fodio, they used violence to achieve their aim, with Usman's son Bello and Abdullahi the chief War Executors of Usman's new religious convictions. They conquered the indigenous people and converted the willing to Islam. I have read controversial accounts that they never forced their conquered to subscribe to Islam. But, that's by the way. However, as a conquered, how do you get to have a say in the affairs of your land if you don't align right? So, now to the main topic of indoctrination. How does indoctrination work? How do you recognize you have been indoctrinated? How can you lose your indoctrination?Now, the main reason that motivated me into opening this thread is because of my experience mostly, and due to the type of threads I keep seeing in this religious section of Nairaland. One of the first things i realised in the early days after I rediscovered myself in 2014 was that I have been robbed of my childhood and 23yrs of my life. You know, most people don't even realize that religion is the highest form of addiction anyone can cling to, and it is the most difficult to let go/quit as it forms part of your life, your everyday interaction, it forms part of your immediate environment and of course, the mother of it all is that almost everyone else is doing it. Yes, that's the most difficult part of it; almost everyone else you know is part of it, so it must be right, isn't ? But, the fact that everyone is doing it doesn't make it right or even wrong to say, just that you cannot afford to be the aberrant. For example, have you tried voicing an uncommon opinion among popular opinions? That is how it is with living with people who are all subscribers to a common opinion, afraid that that uncommon opinion is going to make them look bad or seem wrong. Oh, you don't know how much people love being unchallenged. However, this thread is meant to challenge the perversing popular opinions with common sense and reason. This is because, for indoctrinated religious adherents, reason is not part of the equation. In other words, for Indoctrination to work with respect to religion, reason has to be destroyed! For a person who reasons cannot be indoctrinated, and a person who reasons cannot be allowed to flourish because people who reason end up dominating. After all, reasoning involves deep rational thinking. A man who observes that his wife is promiscuous and that the children are behaving in ways he thinks creates doubts in him will always like to be sure, and will definitely want to do paternity test to be sure. For such man, you can't tell him to rely on blind faith on something that is verifiable. It's a simple stuff. Religious indoctrination required ultimate adherence with no question but just blind faith. This is why people will believe a donkey can talk because it is in their religious book, but will not believe that a snake swallowed millions of Naira because it is not in their religious book, and it is against their sense of reasoning. |
So, before I dive right in to the topic, let's take a look at some of the non-religious indoctrinations we witness everyday. 1) North Koreans are taught from birth to believe everything their leader says or does as the right thing, and cannot be questioned because he is the Supreme Leader. In fact, citizens are allowed to have a certain number of hair cuts as approved by their Supreme Leader. To them, every other thing happening in the rest of the world is a lie. Non-adherence to this rules means death for everyone in the family. Result: The whole country became his sheeple to do with as he pleases. Don't even try to talk bad of him because, death to all family members. The long term effect, children are bred from childhood to obey their ruler very strictly, and his words are their commands. Citizens are not allowed to leave the country except you are the leaders sister. In this type of society, speaking your mind or trying to stand up to your government is impossible because you will be risking the life of not just your own, but every family member you have. So, people fall in line. However, are there people who have revolted? Sure. Where are they? Dead or ran away. 2) Germany: How did Hitler get Most Germans to commit despicable acts against humanity? Well incase you didn't know, all he had to do after being made leader was make German economy one of the best, if not the best and then start the propaganda that Germans are the only pure white race, and that others are tainted. In other words, to convince his followers, he appealed to their ego. With time, the propaganda grew, and why will you be against your leader saying that you are the master pure race right? Everything as at the time of the propaganda supported his claim. That was all he needed to start his ethnic cleansing and land grabbing. People like to be made to feel they are special, and this worked for him. 3) Terrorists: How do they get their recruits all the time? A lot of people usually think most terrorists are faith adherents, but that's not entirely true. I agree that majority are faith adherents of a particular religious group, but few are not. There have been white, black, Oriental and Indian terrorists. So, how do they do it? They prey on persons at their weak points and offer them compensation for their efforts. It's not really rocket science. If someone is planning to commit suicide, and you rather convince them to do it in a big way against a perceived enemy for the right compensation to your family, the argument will be really worth considering. Some others are born into it and don't know any other type of life. Yes, they don't know any other form of life to live aside being terrorists as it is what makes them matter. All the indoctrinator needs to find is what motivates you. Remember, they use well trained psychologists to do this. Others are forced into it to escape their perceived miserable lives. However, do you think someone who values their life will be willing to be a terrorist? I doubt it. 4)Militia Groups: Why do people join militia groups? Because they believe they are fighting a just cause. If your homeland is continuously threatened, ravaged and ransacked at will by invaders everytime, and you were convinced the only way to safeguard your home, people and resources is to join a militia group, you would be more willing to join. However, if there is peace, and everything you value is not threatened in anyway, will the person be willing to join such group? The answer is no. In other words, circumstances create causal factors that makes people alter their normal self to align and survive. 5) Cultists: Despite the perceived ills of cultism and we'll documented violence associated with the social vice, has it slowed down youths from aspiring to become members? No. The question is why? Why is it that despite the heavy crackdowns, killings, societal hatred towards members,etc, the phenomenon has continued to go on? It is a means to a purpose for a lot of people. You will be surprised at how many people that lack self-esteem who believes it is an escapist avenue. After all, in groups, a lot can be achieved than by an individual. Like the militia groups, all they need is something to convince prospective members with and hold them down with it. People have been forcefully made in their room and that convinced afterwards that they are members officially and cannot do anything about it rather than join. The fear of repercussions alone is enough to get anyone rethink and obey. Most of the time, repercussions of not being among is the driving factor for indoctrination, and while people decide to conform to things they wouldn't normally conform to. You will be surprised at the number of non-religious people who act religiously because their society has given them no other option. |
As the name suggests, this thread is my own simple way of trying to help religious people be free of their mental bondage that has been compounded over years. These group of Indoctrinated Religious adherents include but not limited to: Christians, Muslims, Hindu's, Juduiasm, Traditionalists, etc According to Wikipedia:Still going further, Religious indoctrination, the original sense of indoctrination, refers to a process of imparting doctrine in an authoritative way, as in catechism. Most religious groups among the revealed religions instruct new members in the principles of the religion; this is now not usually referred to as indoctrination by the religions themselves, in part because of the negative connotations the word has acquired. Mystery religions require a period of indoctrination before granting access to esoteric knowledge. (cf. Information security) |
aadoiza:Okay. Now, go pray to your imaginary sky father, so that he can forgive you your imaginary sins because you have sinned against his imaginary commandments. |
aadoiza:Please read my brother... Ignorance is a disease. At least, try and know the history of the faith you cling to so faithfully... Remember, it was brought to you in the first instance to soften you(our ancestors) while your resources were looted. Same religious thing didn't work in China, so they used opium instead. Same religious thing didn't work in India because of their caste system... In the words of the great legend himself: "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery." Bob Marley |
Maximus69:This is really one of the form of ignorance about you guys that just makes me wonder if at all you guys have any form of rational reasoning. Unlike the bible, science doesn't claim to know by filling the gaps, everything is tested following laid down procedures and guidelines. If it is discovered tomorrow that a certain principle or theory was not totally correct, the right procedure's will be followed to correct same based on whatever new finding that faulted the principle/theory/law. This ignorance is the reason why Clowns like Fraud Chris Oyakilome keep embarrassing himself about the 5G network while his sheeples like you swallow his ignorance like water. |
aadoiza:The person you are ridiculing has said time and again that he is not a scientist, just someone who doesn't believe in the God fallacy. I doubt there is any book in history that have the number of updates the bible have... Most word's in the bible has been edited to lower the many obscenities and make some of the words more friendly. The term "God" was not even in the first translated books. The closest word today to the first term used in the translation is "Allah". |
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elated177:Truth hurts. I hope your brain decodes the significance of the pics below to your blind delusion.
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elated177:In Logical Reasoning, what you are doing is referred to as "God of the gap fallacy". The term God-of-the-gaps fallacy can refer to a position that assumes an act of God as the explanation for an unknown phenomenon, which is a variant of an argument from ignorance fallacy. Honestly, your ignorance level must be competing with that of slowpoke's. Why don't you just use your rational sense instead into finding out if actually your belief system passes the simple tests of logic instead of consistently making a fôol of yourself. Religious arguments are senseless because if you believe 'God' exists, it also brings the next question, who/what created 'God'... and what/who created this thing/being that created "God"... It's an unending circus that will not end and which we will never know. It's something that will drive you mad if you think it more, which is one of the reasons why religious founders had to come up with something to fill the gap. Please, I advise you again, quit being silly!!! |
GRIMMJOE:He actually came and died. See how he did it below: He allegedly sacrificed himself to himself, then got tired of sleeping, woke up, gained flight abilities and flew away. ![]() |
ivolt:Your reply shows that you didn't understand the comment you are replying to. By your limited and constricted view of mad/crazy people, do you think the op falls into the category of people who can't think? He has a smartphone/laptop, he registered on this forum, created a thread and is predicting future events using current world situations as his guide... But, he is a mad man to you because of the way he conveyed his message. Like every other misguided posts on this thread, you too have also failed to engage him in a reasonable discuss to find out what exactly he is talking about, but has concluded based on whatever assumptions you have that you believe is superior to his own. Typical Nigerian!!! |
orble:Take a look at the thread already... Most of you prefer to whine than do anything about your predicament!!! No-one is coming to save Nigeria, except Nigerians decide to save themselves! |
ivolt:Another definition for those who are misunderstood = mad/crazy. Throughout the history of the world, only this so called mad/crazy people has revolutionized the world. If you went 500yrs back in time and told your tribal kinsmen that you can fly in the sky with a device/equipment, they will also call you a lunatic... |
This thread is clearly showing that most Nigerians are cøward's... See how people who are not even the ones to carry out OP's alleged act are fidgeting. Fear has eaten deep into them, all they know is fear. They will prefer to continue in their suffering than speak up, but they will be first to bring USA/EUROPE into discussions... Do you know how many revolutions they themselves went through to be where they are today? When people hear Revolution, they only think of destruction, riot, war, etc... Are Industrial Revolutions not also revolutions? |
Chef2OOO:Negligent government + Ignorant Citizens + Sectionalism/Bias |
Chef2OOO:Are Anambra, Imo and Enugu state people as you referred the ones in Government House? How can people who are the main revenue generators in the state be the ones who destroyed Aba? |

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