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Maximus69:
Is there any portion in the constitution that stipulate that i can't choose to subject myself to rules that seems benefitial to me?

You're dodging the main issue here, i am free to express myself!

So if i choose to become a subject of any Organization and live by the rules thereof, it's nobody's business!

It's either i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses to live by their rules or ask them to get out for me to live as i pleased.

So am i free to express myself?

Eulalia:
The devil prolly went round possessing them but since the Bible is more concerned about mankind, it recorded only the events of only Adam and Eve. That of the animals was not really of much importance. So whatever the devil did with them did not receive much attention. There's a place God cursed Adam saying the serpent shall bruise his feet and there shall be enemity between them. Yes. So that could have also affected the other beasts relationship with man.

Maximus69:
All the animals turned against Adam's children, that's why we have to tame some as domestic pets!
Others that can't be tamed will continue to live as predators and/or wild until God's kingdom! Isaiah 11:6; 65:25

Maximus69:
My friend, every family have their heritage!

The JWs as a spiritual family have our own as well.

To help you out here, let me ask you

how are you going to gather people from different races to form one big happy global family without disciplinary actions?

Jehovah's Witnesses made rules (take note amongst themselves) not for none members!
So if you feel like becoming a member of the family, you must live by the rules and if you're not interested you can't force yourself in, that's the point!

Maximus69:
All these lengthy write-up could be summarized in one sentence!

Disciplinary actions is taken against those who willfully refused to live up to their vows!

But my question is
What problems do the JWs cause in the society? not what they believe or how defaulters are disciplined in their midst!

Are they part of people killing other people?

Do they violate your human rights? If so explain?

Maximus69:
Adam and his descendants owns everything on planet according to the scriptures! Psalms 115:16
[b]Since he rebelled against his own father, every other creature turned against him as well [/b]and no creature is safe in the hands of another, the fittest became predators just as it's happening in midst of mankind till today! Genesis 4:8
In fact women who are weaker becomes vulnerable to domestic violence from men! Genesis 3:16

jcross19:
ahahahahaha I just laugh!!! if we should start about this issue we will derail the thread. have you heard about SARS and MERS before?. now corona virus normally suppose to be just ordinary flu because it has been existence for a long time ago but this one killing people is genetically created from H.I.V DNA.

Maximus69:
In a nutshell it's wrong to make corrections when you notice you've been taught what is wrong, shey?

Come on my friend, i asked you what evil Jehovah's Witnesses Organization has brought upon the human race and all you could do is to start relating this rebel here rebel there story!

Abeg wetin be the thing JW dey do wey fit make life difficult for people?

Perhaps it's my poor English that's causing the wahala!

Wikipedia:
"... Watch Tower Society publications define apostasy as the abandonment of the worship and service of God by members of the Christian congregation, and equate it with rebellion against God.
Apostate behavior is said to include the rejection of biblical teachings or requirements, the rejection of Jehovah's organization, association with or support for another religious group and celebration of religious holidays. It is grounds for expulsion from the group and subsequent shunning.

Promotion of personal doctrinal views that deviate from official teachings is also regarded as apostasy. The "identifying marks" of apostates are said to include attempts to gain followers, disregard for the Witnesses’ preaching activity, rejection of God's visible organization, public criticism of other Witnesses and attempts to hinder their work.

Other identifying behavior is said to include deviation from the truth, twisted, empty speech, hypocrisy and involvement in deeper forms of ungodliness.
Watch Tower Society literature says apostates are motivated by vitriolic bitterness and that their writings are poisonous, distorted and false, display the characteristics of "cunning, contrived error, prideful intelligence, lack of love and dishonesty" and are designed to undermine the faith of Jehovah’s Witnesses.


Apostates are described as proud, independent, ungrateful and presumptuous, mentally diseased, displaying jealousy, fits of anger and other unchristian conduct and are said to often fall victim to drunken bouts, loose conduct and fornication.

Apostates are said to have become part of the antichrist and are regarded as more reprehensible than non-Witnesses.They are described as "anti-God" and doomed to destruction.
Witnesses are told they must loathe and hate in the "biblical sense of the word" those who are defined as apostates and show no curiosity about their ideas, and that apostates' "whole purpose is to tear down God's people and to distort the truth."
Apostates must be shunned and Witnesses are warned that those who greet one become "a sharer in his wicked works."

jcross19:
ahahahaahaha!!! okay! can you tell me how corona virus that's killing people was created and I will show you a research made by noble laureate .

Maximus69:
God made Adam the controller of all other creature but outside the garden life became survival of the fittest!

Maximus69:
Well in that case, you and i have come to terms on benefits NOT FEAR OF PUNISHMENT!

So now go back to your accusations against religion and explain how Jehovah's Witnesses as a group is guilty!

jcross19:
I thought you are learned person? corona virus was created scientifically while mosquitoes were created by nature. mosquitoes can't be found in western countries. nature have the energy to create some micro animals. dirtiness created mosquitoes.

southniyikaye:
IamMichael see I will like to see how much of a freethinker /atheist you are, why not insult Muslims more on Facebook and Twitter then I will gladly be a freethinker yoo

southniyikaye:
your middle name should have been Stupidy but the owner of that moniker is more wise and sound than your previous, present and coming generations combined.
Now to the snake issue, an almost 7ft long cobra snake, 2 inches wide. Got trapped in the middle of a sliding window that has no space if closed. It was trapped after I was about to break my fast.
If that is not reason enough, then you are really ignorant and stupid.
Secondly, January this year, I was going to ikeji for prayers from Akure, the bus I boarded happens to be that of kidnappers and God saved me.
Thirdly, I almost died of prolapse appendix, it was the grace of God that saved me cos it was confirmed at the hospital it was an appendix but how it didn't kill me was a mystery cos it was prolapse already.
The pain I went thru, I won't even wish it on an enemy.
I can go on and on and on.
So you see, the first thing your stupid self could have done is change that Michael you bearcos the name was gotten from the Bible, so you can imagine bearing a name you don't even know what it means.

And as for your daddy in Yaba Left, sorry o, may he get healing

Maximus69:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

All what you mentioned up there are just promises Sir!

The rewards are
(1)I need not travel to my home town or start searching for blood relations in times of troubles, because Jehovah's Witnesses living in my neighbourhood have become my brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers! Matthew 12:46-49 compare to Proverbs 18:24
(2)There is a certain form of teaching to help my children live as simple as possible unlike lovers of money whose children do gets into hurtful things! 1Timothy 6:9-10
(3)I have the best of friends who will tell me exactly what i am not fake friends whose mouths will be silenced simply because i'm wealthy! Hebrew 10:24-25
(4)Through the meetings, i've learnt a lot on how to spend my money so as not to attract attention which could eventually lead to unintentional invitation of robbers! 1John 2:15-17

So my friend the benefits is much more than that now, Paradise is just a promise of what is coming in the future {Luke 23:43} note that the thief needed faith to believe in Jesus that day, but i'm already enjoying the BENEFITS of being one of his followers! Mark 10:28-30

southniyikaye:
but you sir seems to be winning a war with a foolish person.
I said foolish cos once they realize they can't arm twist you, they begin to reason irrationally and talk incoherently.
As for the OP, you are free to continue quoting me and mentioning me till eternity, it won't deter me from the part of righteousness have chosen.
My was faith in God was about 40% initially cos I was brought up in Christianity.
But my personal encounter with God made me believe in him 1000% if there is something like that.
Their knowledge about their existence is just mind boggling, maybe they think they germinate. Even things that germinate was planted by someone, every seeds, human, has origin. Atheist origin is what they don't know and this gives them headache.

sonmvayina:
Just understand that is is just a story...I have one that says why the tortoise has a cracked shell...should I tell you?

JMAN05:
Evidently Satan had the curse, not literal serpent.

The actions of men towards the animals may have caused the violent reaction of many animals today.

Maximus69:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Just say "coming from one of the TRUE Christians"

Go and tell all your cohorts in ATHEISM that Maximus69 say "without divine guidance there is no way humans can benefit themselves!"

Stop deceiving yourselves with technology there is no benefit in all that we're doing on this planet if we can't sleep safely in our homes due to fear of our fellowman!

I can't stop laughing when you mention "Reward" the other time.

Please go and tell all your cohorts that not even money bring satisfaction and without contentment there can never be real PEACE on this planet!

jcross19:
so God has His own reason to create all these..

Maximus69:
Of course, and that's exactly what drove me towards having unwavering faith in God, life as a soldier really had great influence on my quest for the Creator!

Soldiers are organized(grouping), have a common mission(assignment), superiors(well trained instructors) and a central unit of control(based). No soldier operates LEGALLY without these features, anytime we find a uniformed personnel during warfare, such a person becomes a target unless he/she quickly identifies himself/herself providing all necessary information regarding those features, otherwise we aim immediately(shoot at sight)!

That's the same with humans. Since we have freedom of choice it's compulsory we know which group you belong, because humans are capable of behaving like a snake(venomous beast) wolf(ravenous creature) bitch(uncontrollable sexy beast) or sheep (harmless domestic pet). So it is the group to which you belong that will help in knowing the type of person you wish to be, whether one is safe with you or not!

Groups gradually molds your personality, but a freethinker is unpredictable.

Certainly one is not safe with you!

Jehovah's Witnesses (God's people) are Christians soldiers, we ascertain the group to which you belong and try to help you become a member of our family, but if you turn down our invitation we try to find a common ground on which we can relate with you as a neighbour, you can only become our brother if you accept to be in our fold, then we can be certain that the same Potter is molding us and so we can trust you at least to some extent!

That's why we don't marry none Witnesses nor do we choose close acquaintance outside the Organization!

Maximus69:
(1) Primary 6 in 1982!

(2) Former Soldier!

Maximus69:
Reward!

Well how do you protect Mr F from being killed by Mr D who needs the money in his hand?

Remember Mr F will only do away with his money after Mr D has rendered required services, so what stops Mr D from thinking of a shortcut to get easy money by killing Mr F without going through all the stress?

Qudsi:
What you replied is that what I asked?
Haha!
You are really good at these dodge tactic concepts.
I asked if you you admit first of all that the information you provided as regards Mithras as Jesus Christ is not up to date and you didn't do any research before posting them which has the potential to mislead many people on this forum?

And Haha! What you replied me was that "Mithraism and Christianity belong to the same category and classification as myths and not myth's that you wrote.


Now, look at my question and your answer. Is there any correlation between the two of them?

Haha! Pride won't allow you admit you made a mistake. No problem. I get you are emotional about this subject matter rather than logical right now. It's not just you. Most individuals who oppose the gospel of Jesus Christ would do all in their power to make it possible to portray Jesus Christ as a myth. Let me see if you will try to at least remedy your reputation knowing that you messed up with the Mithras Vs Jesus story which you posted to deliberately misinform readers Let's see how honest you will be.

Do you know of any serious and relevant Scholars/Historian, etcetera whether they be Secular or Atheist you know in the mode of Bart Erhman, Dr. Williams Lane Craig, Gary Habermas, etc who says that Jesus Christ was never a Historical figure?

jcross19:
we Christian trying all the means to cover up the errors in that Genesis. If you look at that scorpion, you will discover that it has a sting to attack and defend itself why did God create the scorpion like that? why did create some deadly insect? to tell you that the story of creation in the Genesis sound like moon light tales.

Maximus69:
I'm a free agent just as you are, so if you want to ask me any question you must think deeply before considering what to ask me.
Remember i believe in unity as in line of thought before anything could work, you also believe but in common sense, my question is "how do make intelligent beings to work together when each feel like making use of his own common sense in the absence of a Supreme Being (God)?"

Qudsi:
You have been sneaking little attacks of Argumentum ad Hominem at me from your first response to my post but I ignored them because I wanted to be sure if what you posted were facts or not. The difference between you and I is that I am unhypocritical about calling you out as a fraud posing as a "Scholar" since I have seen too many holes in just only a segment of your post which is the Mithras vs Jesus part of it. Imagine if I have to take a look at other information you put up in your post. When just one of it is bleeding from too many errors.

See some of your initial attacks at me while doing this sneakyily:

"Secondly, seems like you are sadly ridden with selective bias and amnesia...

No sense of morality at all!
How can any reasonable person engage such a person in a discussion?

Honestly, you are just raving like a mad man bro, calm yourself down a bit."

These are your own sneaky attacks at me. You know "throw a punch and hide your hands behind" smooth moves. Now you turn around to accuse me of Argumentum ad Hominem.

You are really an expert at this your high school debate tactics and muscling your opponent with your red herring tactics.

Qudsi:
A vivid case of Red Herring tactics. You don't beat the gun. Do you admit first of all that the information you provided as regards Mithras as Jesus Christ is not up to date and you didn't do any research before posting them which has the potential to mislead many people on this forum?

Maximus69:
Is this what you freethinkers mean by common sense?

Well let me assist you again.
I said in my previous post that "God comes to mind, when you have to deal with your fellowman!"

So go back to all those questions of yours and ask yourself, is there any that has to do with a fellow intelligent being where both of you might have issues due to different objectives?

Hmmmmmmmm now i believe truthfully that freethinkers and atheists are psychopaths for real!

In all that you mentioned above, what concerns me with your decision?
Is it not when your decision has to do with me that we can have serious issues?

Sorry my friend, even this tiny little bird will answer all those questions easily!

Maximus69:
You gave your clothes to a Berber to sew for you but blaming a designer afterwards!
I said "concentrate on the group i presented to you as true Christians, read, study and meditate on the words of Jesus (Christ) himself" instead of confusing yourself with misinformed churchgoers!

Maximus69:
Agreeing to live by standards that's not from common sense is not easy, so many of those who formerly vowed to live by our standards do relent. But we try to help them regain their strength, you and i know for sure that it's not easy standing up for what others don't take serious, so Jehovah's Organization don't judge people for falling back to their former course of conduct.
All we just want to know is if you're still ready to stand up for what is right, then we will assist you by suggesting necessary steps that will help you stay away from what befell you.
But in some instances many often decides to go back fully into what they left behind, in that case we will make a public announcement that Mr ABC is no more one of Jehovah's Witnesses, so don't expect him to live by the rules binding us together as one family anymore!
That's when all members of the family both home and abroad will say farewell to such a person by staying far away from him/her!

Maximus69:
You're looking at one side of the coin but rendered yourself blind to the other side!

First of all true Christians don't even dabble into politics, we don't vote neither can you find one member of Jehovah's Witnesses in any political office!

Our belief is reasoning together with our fellowman on the best way of life there is.
God comes to our mind mainly when it's time to deal with our fellowman. It's totally wrong to quote the laws of our God when dealing with someone who doesn't believe in his standards, so as long as we have an agreement we stick strictly to the agreement we make with you.

You're really mistaking my friend, you don't know a single thing about true Christians!