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raumdeuter:
exhibit 6

Don't wrap me up with several other people and act like it is one person making an argument

John Stones is a liability still, as is Otamendi as is Bakayoko, as is Lovren, David Luiz and many others in other teams.

I have plenty evidence of calling City the best team in times past, so stop your duplicitous joining of other peoples post to make as if it is one argument. City midfield to strikeforce is way better than Chelseas. No be John Stones or Otamendi go change am.

Eruditor:
Prevarications.

Carlo lost to LFC, United, City, Arsenal even Sunderland whooped him 0-3 at Stamford bridge.

Chelsea even ended well hence why they finished 2nd. At some point, they and City overtook Arsenal to finish 2nd and 3rd.

That Chelsea team was largely clueless and boring. Anelka (16 goals) and Malouda (13) were the top scorers.

That Monaco team Pep lost to got to the Semis losing to Juve; scored goals for fun and had the winningest record in France. It is that team that has spun Mbappé, Bernardo Silva, Baka, Lemar and Mendy amongst others.

Funny enough, Aguero had to throw away half a dozen gilt-edge chances while Baka scored a fortuitous header late in the game to knock out that City team with Clichy, Sagna and Fernando who are playing in Turkey or clueless at the moment.

Forget this narrative you want to create. The 2nd place finish by Carlo was merely cosmetic.

My friend close your mouth.

Carlo finished 2nd, Pep finished 3rd.

Carlo made QF of UCL, losing to United a European powerhouse. Pep lost to phucking Monaco in 2nd round.

Carlo was in title race till the last month, Pep was out by early January.

Did you knock your head? If Pep was judged by Chelsea standards, he would not make the end of the season. Scolari was sacked for being 7 points adrift of the league leaders.

Eruditor:
Ancelotti in the league 21Ws 8Ds 71pts tied with City that year. Scored 69 goals conceded 33.
Pep, 23Ws 9Ds 78points. Scored 80 conceded 39.

League finishes can be misleading. Fergie had 80 points with 78 goals scored 37 conceded. Even less goals than the crap Pep served.

Carlo had an atrocious preseason (like he did with Bayern now). Lost out 3rd round of the League ahome to Newcastle. Crashed out 4th round of FA Cup to Everton. Lost out Quarters of UCL courtesy home and away losses.

Pep crashed out 4th round and Semis of Carling and FA Cups to eventual winners. Lost out on away goals to revelations of the year, Monaco.

The history is here. You cannot rewrite it.

This means nothing. Carlo finished 2nd and was closer to the Champions than Pep and only dropped out the title race in the last month of the season, unlike Pep that waved white flag in January.

Carlo lost to Man United, eventual finalist in Quarterfinal. Pep lost to bloody Monaco in 2nd round, even throwing away a 2 goal lead in the process.

randomperson:
Ancelloti's second season was actually bad. He lost to Man Utd about four times. it was obvious fergie had figured him out.
Ancelloti was sacked because of his bad league record. it was obvious his team was in decline. The nigger has never even won any consecutive league titles

Ancelottis 2nd season was better than the crap Pep served last season.

So if you are saying Ancelottis sack was merited, Pep woulda been sacked at Chelsea on last seasons performance.

Eruditor:
They could not wait for Chalobah to learn under Matic. They sold him and bought a far more expensive player to train under him.

Okay. We learn every day.

If you don't know the ins-and-outs of a club, you should just leave it for those who do and stop guessing.

Chalobah had 1 year on contract and wanted to leave. Nobody is going to make plans with Chalobah in mind.

2nd thing, we are now in Europe, so we cannot expect to go into another season with only 2 or 3 senior midfielders. Any reasonable club will plan to add another senior midfielder, the koko here is whether Bakayoko is better than junior midfielders like Chalobah or RLC sef. You can argue that one with Conte, not me.

Eruditor:
Why he sold Matic or why Matic was sold to United?

My issue is I feel his anger was about where Matic went to.

You have been educated and you are still yarning dust about your feelings. Stop wasting our time here.

“Bakayoko is a good signing for us. He is very young. My idea was to give Bakayoko the right time to adapt in this league behind Matic. But now after the sale of Matic, we need to try to accelerate this process for Bakayoko after his injury.”

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2017/8/9/16119732/conte-matic-bakayoko-transfer-analysis-autopsy-blame

Eruditor:
I actually said Conte deemed Costa and him unnecessary AKA surplus to requirements and not that he was "happy" to see him leave.

I also reported that Matic said Roman let him go to United as a gift. Which means, someone else did not want him to go to United.

I don't know how they forced Matic off Conte's hands when the same Conte was planning to buy Drinkwater and Baka whilst Matic was there.

My friend no yarn wetin you no know.

Baka was one-in, one-out for Chalobah.

Drinkwater interest surfaced after negotiations for Matic had already started. Matic negotiations started in June or July that's why he was not allowed on preseason tour. That predates any link to Drinkwater.

Eruditor:
The club thought it was a good deal, to sell Matic for £40M to a rival and then replace him with 2 players valued at ~ £70M.

Hmmm.

What is your point? You claimed Conte was happy to sell Matic, you were proved wrong, now you are switching argument to the club which no one is arguing with you.

I am struggling to see the logical direction of your argument like one Angel we have here.

randomperson:
The difference is that Ancelotti didnt have guardiola's amazing league record. Guardiola has won 6 league titles out of 8 attempts. Ancelloti had only won 3 or 4 even with many more attempts

Against who? Dortmund?

The koko here is style of footie. Ancelotti broke EPL goals record and was sacked next season.

randomperson:
Abrahamovich would give his left ball to have Pep.

Highest number of consecutive wins in the three best leagues of the world. No manager even comes close.

Abramovic chased Ancelotti for 4 years and gave his left ball to sign him. Ancelotti even broke EPL record for goals scored in his first season and played all the tikitaka you can wish. First sign of failure, he sacked him. Ancelotti even finished 2nd and got the sack letter.

Eruditor:
Conte signed Bakayoko before Matic was sold and rumours of Drinkwater were in the news long before Matic left.

Conte was unhappy that Matic was sold to United. He would have preferred him to be sold to Juve or out of the EPL but United offered the most money.

Matic said Roman let him go to United as a gift for his service/loyalty to the club.

Summarily, his grouse was that it was to United. Fin.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Stop surmising with half-knowledge of the facts

Conte said and I quote "I wanted Bakayoko to learn under Matic."

Conte wanted Matic to stay. The club thought it was a good deal for a 29 year old with 2 years left on contract. Actually the club decision was correct, what was incorrect was their assumption that Baka is a like-for-like replacement.

raumdeuter:
Who is that in Dolphin suit Bakayoko or Mendy

That is Mendy based on his comment that Man City are sharks

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/09/22/benjamin-mendy-man-city-big-shark-teams-swim-us-gobble/

raumdeuter:
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Na that Arsenal Fan TV guy for corner wey bust my head

chic2pimp:
Where do you currently stand on the Pep vs Mou battle?.... I bet you are slowly but surely being won over by "FRAUDIOLA".

Nothing like win me over. I'm hard hearted. My hatred for Pep is seeped in the Chelsea-Barca rivalry of the 2000s. I will continue hating him, even if he continues doing well. I go just chill until he lose again, then I will be back with my songs and celebrations.

Eruditor:
I guess, we'd never know.

PS: City were first in December last year so....I doubt that as well.

For where. City were out of title race by end of December

Eruditor:
The time it takes to lay foundation for an edifice and a bungalow are not the same. Some styles are easier to implement than others. Pep said it even before the season began.

Conte has spent more money this season and Chelsea don't look better than last time. I still tip CFC for 2nd place though.

Abramovic don't care about that. He woulda sacked him in December.

Eruditor:
From 10th to 3rd playing sexy football. I doubt it.

Chelsea without european commitments too and I doubt he would be lower than 2nd.

Mou's 2nd stint he finished 3rd his first season and was not sacked.

Roman wants to watch good dominant football.

Mourinho was within 3 or 4 points of 1st place.

No manager has ever finished that many points off 1st place at Chelsea and not get sacked especially after spending £200m or so.

Eruditor:
LOL


Other managers did not have Messi? Why are they not winning sextuples?

What is this inanity about first season? Where is Carlo Ancelotti with his first season? What happened after first season? I mean in Chelsea oh! Where is "Greatest EPL Manager" Fergie's first season title? What about Le Invicibles Professor Wenger's first season title?

You judge a manager over the course of his term in a club not after his first season. Infact, You'd have to be an irrational dolt to judge anyone over a limited time frame like one season when he might stay 5, 6 or 7 seasons there.

He's have been sacked in his first season at Chelsea

Aloooooooooooonnnnnsssssssooooooo!!!!

OAM4J:
lol, which hardwork? you be coach or you dey train with the players?

You've only got one fantastically lucky week when everything went right for your selection while most of the popular picks went blank.

Well done sha.

#TheMarathonIsNotOverYet

So you think being manager of the most successful FPL team in Nairaland history is not hardwork?

Were you in my shoes when the press were putting pressure on my board to sack me, or when our ever demanding fans were baying for my P45?

When you have won 1 league title and 2 FA Cups, then you will understand the pressures of managing this prestigious club.

Allow me celebrate my manager of the month award in peace o jare.

#smartworkharder
#hardworksmarter

Debroslink:
Even in his Madrid team, Guti from the bench was providing more assists than Zidane. Don't lemme call defenders like Carlos and Hierro. That's Madrid alone. If I enter Man Utd, Rivaldo, Bergkamp, et al, I'll just expose more.

You are a disgrace. Bring Guti career goals+assists record here, lemme disgrace you. Don't even talk about Carlos and Hierro. When you have no leg to stand on, you will be throwing mud and hoping it sticks.

You even got desperate to be naming forwards and strikers like Bergkamp and Rivaldo. You see the calibre of Zidane?

I did open challenge here with all the top heads of this section to name 10 midfielders of Zidane era with better career stats than him, and they were struggling.

But when we do Iniesta, we will be naming Leon Osman, Kevin Nolan, John Terry, and co. Why would I not troll such Eunuch?

chic2pimp:
It doesn't have to be through the roof. That's not his job. His job is to dominate the midfield and create a platform for the attacking players to weave their magic. And ofcourse He creates and scores goals himself when needed.

This is what I used to believe when I was naive until I watched his game closely and realised he does not dominate any midfield, he only dances one corner.

Dominate which midfield when Xavi is the one making 100 passes per game while he is making as many passes as Nemanja Matic.

This is why Barca fans have been complaining that their tikitaka is dead since Xavi retired and blaming Enrique, several managers etc before finally admitting that Iniesta was never the driving force behind tikitaka with his average no of passes per game.

I have done my research thoroughly. You have to pay attention to no of passes to know who is playing the tikitaka. If you talk Xavi, Alonso, Pirlo, I believe you. 100 passes per game clear.

If you talk Iniesta with his 60 passes, Gerrarahia men.


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Debroslink:
Zidane had 38 assists in 6 seasons @ Real Madrid. An average of 6 assists per season. Yet guys like I.bime do not troll him.

Zidane career stats match up with the top 10 midfielders of his era. Iniesta career stats do not enter top 50 of his era. Which AM of Zidanes era will I troll him with? Iniestas era, we can even troll him with John Terry and Sergio Ramos.

The same Zidane has more than doubled Iniestas goals from a low scoring era.

Receive sense!


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macjireh:
I can recall di matteo,benitez and mourinho all played 4-2-3-1 at Chelsea,,, only conte has played a different formation for Chelsea in recent times...

And in 4-2-3-1, Lampard was a DM.

In 4-3-3 from 2004 to 2011, Lampard played exact same role as Iniesta.

chic2pimp:
When Has Lamps ever played with such a Lethal Front 3 like Iniesta has done for the past decade now?

Eto-Dinho-Guily
Eto-Messi-Henry
Messi-Villa-Pedro
Messi-Neymar-Suarez

I am sick of these excuses. If you have such lethal front 3, then your assist should be through the roof.

So common Pedro and Giuly and Villa is now the lethal front 3 that made Iniesta not to contribute?

If so Bakayoko should not bother since he has the lethal Pedro playing with him.

Which lethal front 3 does Spain have that made Silva outscore Fraudiesta by 3 to 1?

Now Neymar is gone and Suarez is off form, what has Iniesta contrubuted now he is playing with front 2 or front 1.

Silva, Debruyne are playing behind lethal front 3 of Jesus, Sterling, Aguero, did you see them turn Eunuch?

I keep saying it, Lampard will cop 35 goals in that Barca team.

Front 3 ko, front 3 ni. Carryalong nigga.

raumdeuter:
Once upon a time

E pain am. If you like rehash that post for the umpteenth time, it will not absolve the Eunuch. From that date till now, Eunuch has only scored 33 goals in 8.5 years. I might as well still be hailing Kaka.

chic2pimp:
Firstly Hope your exams went well as i'm sure you've done it already?

Back to Iniesta, He was a CM not an AM so we need to stop conparing Him to Lamps or Silva who were true AMs. They had different roles in their respective teams. Their roles in the National team where Silva can be seen occuping the more advanced role of the two only buttresses my point.

You don't amass the No of appearances for the two best teams for the best part of a decade if you are mediocre(Spain and Barca)

This is all story for the Gods. When did Chelsea ever play 4-2-3-1. Chelsea have always played 4-3-3 with Lampard in the exact same role as Iniesta. No matter how you wash am, Iniesta was the most advanced of 3 midfielders. Una go soon move am go left-back.

chic2pimp:
You see why stats shouldn't be the be all and end all when analysing footy?....If it was all about stats, we won't mention the likes of Pirlo and Xavi in the same breath as Gerrard and Lamps.

Pirlo and Xavi outstat any deeplying midfielders in assists or ball possession which is what matters most.

Iniesta should face his fellow offensive midfielders and tell us why he never posted double-figures for goals and only twice posted double figures for assists in a 15 year career, instead of hiding behind defensive midfielders.

Soon he will be associating himself with Franco Baresi and asking us if Franco Baresi is not a great player cos he doesn't have stats.

raumdeuter:
Iniesta only has double figure assist in La Liga? Check how many assists he has in 2013, 2009

What a shame after a 15 year career in the best team.

Goal he no fit score

Assists, only hit double figures twice in 15 years

This is what other midfielders do every year.

Spits on Eunuch

raumdeuter:
You mean the goals racked up in meaningless friendlies. The greatest goal ever scored in Spanist NT history was scored by Iniesta

Silva scored in Euros final but Fraudiesta won polling booth

Tournament football for Spain

Silva - 5 goals, 7 assists
Iniesta - 2 goals, 7 assists in double the matches

Competitive Spain matches

Silva - 20 goals, 23 assists
Iniedo - 8 goals, 17 assists

When I say un, you say productive

David Silva - 35 Spain goals
Fraudiesta - 13 Spain goals

When I say un, you say productive.

raumdeuter:
SHow us the contribution B and fabregas when their teams won the CL below is what Iniesta did

Fabregas is Spain's all-time assister.

All through those tournaments, he was assisting and scoring, not waiting for carryalong to the final.

Even the World Cup final goal that Fraudiesta used to make mouth after being carried along all tournament, the beauty of that goal was in the assist from Fabregas.