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SeekinAttention:
Keleshit is better than Lukaku??
Burst my brain!

Niggas said the same in 2011 when I told em Lukaku was better than Torres.

Judge a nigga when he holds starting shirt. Till then, he is doing brilliantly with the limited playing time he has.

The way they keep quoting £100m for Lukaku and co, Moussa Dembele at £30m is starting to make sense.

I still maintain Iheanacho is the best of them.

Yarnvibes:
Following that visit, Nigerians reached out and helped her financially. A man named Suraj Tunji Oyewale, a successful chattered accountant based in Lagos championed a course on his facebook page for some monetary contribution for Mama Sikiratu Yekini after reading our reports on what the woman has being going through, and in less than 48 hours, N220,000 was raised on behalf of the woman.

Jarus kicked off a snowball effect and brought this lady's plight to the nation. Kudos.

Oga Airmark, did you freeze Boateng like Mavrodi when Marcelo was running through there?

Beasting statue

Marceeeeeeeeeeelooooo!

Leftback of life!

See Boateng - Beasting statue

Orooooorooooo!!!

Calamity Ramos!

Bayern still only need one to force extra time.

Ororooooooo!!! WPOTY is yours!

diggz:
Raumdeuter no go allow us see road if dem win this game by chance today oooo

Abeg o. Na Boateng beasted story we go dey hear if Bayern reach final.

Bayern penalty!

chic2pimp:
Me sef wan ask Roberto wetin?

Did you watch France 1998 qualification? Italy were in Englands group and Roberto played 90 minutes every match bar one where he was injured. He lost his place by the World Cup proper and only started one game, but it wasn't to Baggio, Totti etc like Raumdeuter suggested. The two strikers were Del Piero and Vieiri. Baggio was on bench for like-for-like substitution with Del Piero. Zola was cut just before the tournament, and Totti was too young to make the squad.

Darius Vassell? I think not. He was Italy's starting CAM for two years solid.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/roberto-di-matteo/nationalmannschaft/spieler

If Bayern don't want Joshua Kimmich, they should just give us abeg.

Nihilstjnr:
The only person being intellectually dishonest here is you, because you're attempting to show that Zidane's career goals are the reason he was voted WPOTY of several occasions, which is patently false.

We have shown you several players with similar or even better goal records who never even climbed the podium, so clearly goals have nothing to do with Zidane's awards.

Everybody knows Zidane won WPOTY because of 98, 2000 and that goal in the UCL final. Nothing to do with goal output because that was super average.

It was super average yet you were googling since 11am to find who bettered it, like say na JAMB question. This is like one child of the 2000s telling us Ronaldo Lima's 30 goal seasons are super average because Messi them are scoring 60 these days. Let the witnesses to the era tell you what is average or not, and leave out the ITK Google analysis.

Zidane goal record was one of the best of his era for his position. Fact.

Nobody is arguing with you why Zidane won WPOTY. What we are saying is that Zidane was competing on equal footing with almost every CAM in the world, not like one carryalong who is competing with Leon Osman and co.

afrodoc2:
You confidently asked for 3 names and I gave you TEN, including those like Cocu and Matthaus that spent practically all their careers as CM/DM/Libero and even Gullit whose career was bookended by seasons playing defensive midfield and sweeper.

My point has been made

No you came in with intellectual dishonesty which I would expect from someone who was never a witness to that era. I don't want to open too many variables to this debate that's why I quickly surmised and asked you to follow the earlier debates so as not to derail.

Rivaldo a CAM? That's foul. Even Raumdeuter was not dishonest enough to list him.

Djorkaeff a CAM? When he was winning golden boot in Serie A in 1997 as a striker with Zamorano. He is listed as a forward also.

Gullit played every position on the pitch from Defence to Striker and scored most of his goals as secondary striker, even as part of a famous front 2 with Van Basten.

For Luis Enrique, see Gullit.

All the players above are also listed as forwards on any profile you wish to check.

Once I see this kain dishonesty, I don't even bother cos we could start debating 10 different players positions and lose sight of the central argument.

My point remain kampke. Zidane stands shoulder to shoulder with all his contemporaries in the CAM position for goals scored in his era. Anyone wey even pass him, it's not by much. After 5 hours of googling, una even go find forwards just to edge him by few goals.

Iniesta however is being outscored 4:1 and 5:1 by his contemporaries in AM position and left them to even go and get trashed by the Leon Osmans of this world.

I can't put it no clearer than that.

raumdeuter:
When Iniesta was AM he made 21 assists in one season

So he was an AM till 2014? The truth is setting you free.

afrodoc2:
Zidane didnt play left wing ? No be you talk am?
Abeg Nihilist help me with that him post

Every player has played one or two positions now and again. Even Iniesta has played left-wing.

Nihilist as usual, out of his depth, and unable to differentiate his arse from his elbow when it comes to 1990s football has found something to latch onto to muddy the waters

They turned a simple question on Zidane to JAMB question, searching high and low all over google, and still confirming that Zidane was among the top producing CAMS of his generation.

The contrast with Eunuch Iniesta and his mates like Leon Osman is clear, and my point has been made


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afrodoc2:
Lothar Matthaus
Rivaldo
Paul Scholes
Andy Moller
Luis Enrique
Ruud Gullit
Youri Djorkaeff
Phillip Cocu
Georghe Hagi
Michael Laudrup

We've already removed half of these names for playing different positions etc. Follow the thread.

raumdeuter:
Barcelona had a specific system and Iniesta and other CM were not required to score a lot only recycle possesion for their front 3 to score
That is why Kevin Nolan can outscore Xavi and only a lunatic will think they can be in the same conversation

Kevin Nolan is an AM. He is allowed to outscore Xavi.

Iniesta was an AM. Or do you want us to bring the screenshot where you told Chelseafan1 that Iniesta was an AM?

raumdeuter:
Zidane also played a lot on the left when. Zidane was as much a left winger as Seedorf was

Zidane started Pro football in 1989, seedorf started in 1992. What is the difference

None of these people Moller, Seedrof or Scholes have ever made top 3 WPOTY

These people are all the top midfielders of their era, and Zidane is comfortably among the top 5-10 producing CAMs of his era.

When we mention Iniesta, we would start talking about Leon Osman, Kevin Nolan and co and name 50-100 midfielders that outscored him.

In summary, they are not mates in productivity, and Zidane should never be used as a crutch for Iniestas infertility.

raumdeuter:
In which club was Dhorkaeff a forward in the Inter Milan that Had Ronaldo, Recoba Kanu or which one

Please name InterMilans starting forwards in 1996/1997.

Kanu was in hospital and Ronaldo was in Barcelona

Nihilstjnr:
Djorkaeff was as much a forward as Zidane was a winger.

Djorkaeff was a forward mehn. Djorkaef and Ivan Zamorano. Ask us about the legendary Intermilan strikeforce of 1997.

raumdeuter:
I am sure Ibime will tell us Scholes and Seedorf were strikers too

We've already added Scholes. Seedorf we could argue played mostly in the 2000s and on the left-wing for a lot of his career.

I hope we can see a pattern emerging ie Zidane was one of the most productive AMs of his generation, and anyone you call to have equalled him is a bonafide star of his era.

Meanwhile, Iniesta is one of the most unproductive of his era, and any random Leon Osman can outscore him.

This should be the last time Zidane's name is called in relation to Iniesther's infertility on this board.

Nihilstjnr:
If you add Djorkaeff that list already complete. Then you could tell us where their WPOTY trophies are...

Djorkaeff was a forward with Del Piero, Bergkamp and co.

Una still dey struggle to find 3 oh.

I will soon start calling Tim Sherwood and co to come and disgrace Iniesta here finally.

Nihilstjnr:
UEFA rankings, France has been 5th for almost 18 consecutive years. Is that a league or a fellowship?

If you are going to disctimate goals, then stick to Spain and Italy only. Simples.

In the 1990s, Ligue 1 was as strong as any league except Italy. You can go and check all UCL, UEFA Cup and Cup-Winners-Cup results. 18 years only takes us back to 1999.

raumdeuter:
Baggio is a forward, Zola is a forward Del piero is a forward Signori is a forward. Totti is a forward

So who is the CAM for Italy

4-4-2. The CAM was our own Robbie Di Matteo.

Funlordmaniac:
I was wondering about this too!

Ibime Scholes became Involved with the united 1st team from 1992!

OK, lets add Scholes.

We are now at Scholes and Moller.

See as they are struggling to find who bettered Zidane's goals from his era.

Meanwhile another cheap random name for Iniesta - Leon Osman


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Nihilstjnr:
Ligue 1 UEFA coefficient never rose above 5th from 1999 till date.

So if you're not counting Turkey, I'm not counting France. Simple.

What year was 1999 please?

1991 UCL - Marseille, Final
1993 UCL - Marseille, Champions
1994 UCL - Monaco, Semi-final
1995 UCL - PSG - Semi-final
1996 UCL - Nantes, Semi-final
1998 UCL - Monaco, Semi-final

1999 was when they started falling off, long after Zidane had left France.

Use your tongue to count your teeth.

Nihilstjnr:
Ibime if you refuse to accept goals scored in Turkey I also will refuse to accept goals scored in ligue 1, simples.

In 1994, England 8 - 0 Turkey

Ligue 1 never failed to have a UCL finalist, winner or semi-finalist most years in the 1990s.

raumdeuter:
Roberto Baggio 241 goals
Zola 189 goals
Stiochkov 129 goals

You are mad. Why not Bergkamp or Del Piero?

These are all forwards. I asked for CAMs.

raumdeuter:
look up
Andreas Moller 169 goals 139 assists
Thomas Hassler 104 goals 92 assists
Steffan Effenberg 107 goals 91 assists

OK, lets take Andreas Moller.

Hassler and Effenberg did not make 125.

I need another 2.

The JAMB question continues.

Nihilist:
Why are you discounting goals on different leagues? Ligue 1 was not a tough league or European powerhouse when Zidane was playing there.

In fact, French teams have only made UCL final twice since the competition started. So if you want discount any league goals, you must remove all of Zidanes 45 goals in France...


Also how is Scholes not a 90s era midfielder?

This is not JAMB question.

Why is it so hard to find just 3 CAMs that outscored Zidane?

Of course we wouldn't count Romanian league, anymore than we would count Ghanaian league.

Scholes played the bulk of his career in 2000s. He started mid-to-late 90s while Zidane started 1988. They are slightly different era.

I mentioned CAM because in the days of 4-4-2, wingers outscored CAMS, that's why Amuneke and Finidi were expected to score more than Okocha.

So don't go calling wingers names.

Zidanes mates are the Rui Costas, Bobans, Laudrups, Okochas of this world. He outscored most, if not all CAMS of his era.

Think about that before you go using him as a crutch to justify the eunuch.

I am willing to wait till daybreak for you to name 3 CAMs that outscored Zidane since you like calling his name upandan.

Meanwhile, take another random name that outscored Iniesta - Lee Bowyer