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Let's not mix 2 arguments or apply different contexts. According to Nateevs (paraphrasing), "DD and Lamps used to shine for themselves but Torres teamwork is better and maintains the shape better"

We now pass the baton to the Torres generation to show us that his teamwork can prompt the team to be the most creative team ever in Premierleague history. Simples!

Incase Coogar forgot, Beckham was Englands penalty taker.

We should not even be discussing Torres NT goal record. Its a disgrace! Any striker with such a goal record for a team like Spain should bury his head in shame. Why is David Villa outscoring him by almost 3 to 1 in the same team even when David Villa is playing from the left wing and Nando is playing as an out-and-out striker.

Stop showing your @ss nikka!

Lamps best England performances came in 2004 Euros (where he was Englands joint top scorer) and WC2006 qualification where he was top scorer and assist maker, winning England player of the Year two years in a row and coming second in FIFA WPOTY. Please tell me who was the "target man" for England then. Michael Owen?

You talk a lot of shyte hombre! When Scolari was manager and Lamps copped 20 goals and 20 ASSISTS, please tell me who was the target man? Anelka? Lest you forgot, Anelka won the golden boot that season and woulda broke Chelsea scoring record had Scolari not been sacked. You talk a lot of shyte hombre.

Let's go back to 2003 where Lamps copped 15 goals and X number of assists. Who was the target man, Crespo.


Don't sidetrack the story ninja.

Please explain to us how DD and Lamps "poor teamwork" affected the team when we copped 107 goals and averaged 65-70% possession in 09/10.

Secondly, pull up Torres assist statistics and compare to DD.

You may not like the style nikka but you must respect the results! Even these ninjas that are the toast of the day (David Silva, Mata, David Villa) - Have you forgotten how we used to bitchslap those "creative geniuses" every year in UCL. Once again, you don't need to respect the style, just respect the results. Whether playing possession footie of Ancelotti or direct footie of JM, Lamps and DD have adapted and made themselves indispensable!

As for Nateevs asking me for Lamps England "results", just put it this way - Lamps goal record for England is almost equal to Torres goal record for Spain! Hehehehehe!

In DDs first two seasons, even with 16 goals per season, his teamwork was amazing.

I think you guys forgot the sheer amount of work that DD did in those 2 years. Infact, I started to hate DD after 2006 cos he no longer put in such amount of work.

Lest we forget, this argument is about "teamwork". Can someone tell me that Torres ever helped his teammates better than DD helped his teammates in 04/05 and 05/06. FFS, the whole solidity of the team was based around having DD running like a madman upfront doing the work of two players. NEVER IN TORRES CAREER HAS HE PUT IN BETTER TEAMWORK THAN DD DID IN HIS FIRST 2 YEARS!
Am sure it was Akolawole that told me that told me that DD made Lamps second best player in the world in 2005!

The only thing you forgot to add is that Ramires has no results. Only a poor statistician would use one event as his sample base. All I know is that since Ramires joined Chelsea, we have played the worst ever since the Vialli era. That is the result that counts for Ramires. Should Ramires go on to cop 15 goals and make 10 assists this season, I would even buy a Ramires shirt next season even if he only makes 30 passes per game.

As regarding Berbatov, that analogy was poor. Berbatov made Robbie Keane into a £20m player.

Torres would come good (He already is).

But Torres at his very best would never contribute as much to the team as DD.

Its quite a simple challenge. Torres should spearhead the team to break the PremierLeague goalscoring record like DD did. Obviously DD and Lamps "poor teamwork" affected their team so badly that they broke PremierLeague goals record with DD and Lamps copping the most assists.

Nateevs is trying to justify his rant that Torres is "better at maintaining the shape of the team" by downplaying Drogbas teamwork.

We would believe that rant when Chelsea score 107 goals in a Premierleague season with Torres as spearhead. A wise man once told me that only a fool argues with results.

Nateevs is trying to play a fast one and lump Lamps and DD in the same bracket with Ramires.

In the first place, Lamps has always been top 3 midfielder in terms of passes made, passes completed, chances created and key passes whilst Ramires makes less than 1/5th the number of passes of other midfielders. Don't even go there hombre!

Second of all, Lamps is second only to Giggs in number of assists in Prem history regularly contributing 15 to 20 assists. You may not like the finesse of his play, but please don't yarn opata. I don't know when Ramires assisted anyone at Chelsea.

Thirdly, Lamps and DD were the two best players in the team that scored the most goals in a Premiership season scoring 27 and 33 goals respectively and each assisting their team mates 15 times. According to Nateevs, Lamps and DD don't add anything to the team. Mr Man, they were the two most important creative forces in the most creative Premierleague team of all time.

Thirdly, apart from 2007/2008 and early part of 2008/2009 where DD spent all his time courting other teams and hustling for new contract, DD has been an IMMENSE team player, the forward who has added most to his team tactically except for perhaps Rooney. If DD didn't play certain games, you would sense the team was more vulnerable defensively because the ball didn't stick upfront. Not to mention that DD always assists 10 to 15 times per season.

Mr Man, please do not under any circumstance compare Ramires team-play to Lamps and DD.

Like I said, I was surprised that Ramires touched the ball 3 times in 20 minutes whilst Mikel and Meireles touched the ball at least 30 times. Perhaps Ramires is playing as a "false midfielder" cos the style of play seemed to be that Anelka dropped inside to receive the ball whilst Ramires starts to make the run. Ramires teammates don't even look for him when they receive the ball and his body language suggests he has no interest in receiving the ball.

If you check Opta stats for passes made, I'm sure you'll find Ramires at the very bottom. The one player who plays like Ramires in the Prem is FABIAN DELPH. Those two seem to have a role where no one gives em the ball, they just run around harrying opponents.

Just like Wenger wasted Owusu-Abieye, Luis Boa-Morte, Jay Bothroyd, Steve Sidwell and Jay Simpson I suppose.

I thought JET was the second coming of Eusebio. Can Dr Kit please explain what he's doing on the subs bench at Ipswich?

I aint complaining. Just pointing out fundamental aspects of the nikkas game. If he doesn't score next week, would you not say the same if you notice such?

I thought the Football First program was a highlights package and that's why I had only seen Ramires touch the ball 3 times. I had to do a double-take when my info bar told me it was a full 90 minute showing. I had to ask how come this ninja has only touched the ball 3 times in 20 minutes when I've seen Mikel and Meireles touch the ball at least 30 times.

Ill leave this ninja for this week but remember that both man and he-goat enter market with bia-bia on their chin but when market set, you go know who carry who come.

Am watching the match on Football First now.

Its 20 minutes in. Ramires has received the ball 3 times (losing it once).

Mikel and Meireles have each had over 30 touches of the ball already.

Ramires is just not involved in the play, hiding on the pitch all the time.

My day started very well but I ended with 35 points. Gutted.

Wot a disaster. Ma last hope Hernandez off in 5 minutes. He was clean through and I was already counting his points but a poor touch led to a collision and subsequent injury.

How come of all weeks I had to play Ramires-lover Dyabman this week? Dyabman must be the only nukka in FPL with Ramires in his team.

Made a wrong decision few weeks ago to go for Nasri rather than Silva.

@ Udezue,

Don't even go there! Diete-Spiff is BY FAR the best Governor Rivers State ever had in terms of infrastructure development. Everything Diete Spiff developed was to European standard, roads with proper drainage, business district with skyscrapers etc. Rufus Ada George was prolly the second best Governor of the state. He developed countless roads, such as Ada George Rd, linking Elekiah to Aba Road, Ogunagbali to Town etc, dredging and sand-filling of many beaches (infact almost every village in Okrika got sand-filled waterside during Rufus reign hehehehehe) and at the end of his short 15 month term, he returned budget surplus. Don't just bandy about names without knowing their record. Worst Governors are Odili, Adeleye and Okilo. I even believe Amaechi will end up a disaster cos people don't know how much debt he's leaving the state with which runs into hundreds of billions of Naira without a commensurate level of development.

^^No need to punch Deborah in the groin when a slap to the face would suffice.

Relax101:
Quotable quote by Ibime, I think I should remind you, hope you pass the info to your kids.


Ibime (m)

#59 on: December 31, 2008, 02:00 PM

just an honest assessment. . . . my great grandfather himself is from Asa in Abia State. . . . I am only Ijaw by migration, not by blood.


You fit be Chinenye brother self.

For the sake of expediency, read post 194 on here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-212856.192.html where I spoke about my .

Like I said before, my families take our identity from my Igbo due to an estrangement up the family tree that disenfranchised us culturally from pure paternal lineage, and for that reason, this matter is closed to further probity.

It was in the course of reserching my estranged lineage that I learned my pure Ijaw was the key political actor of his time, a regent, warlord and slaveowner. . . and it was in the course of my research that i stumbled across Bishop crowthers interview with one of his slaves. . . from Umuoji, not Umuahia as I previously and erronously stated. . .

FACE:
I doubt this story, unless you can provide a link. There was nothing like Umuahia at the time of slave trade. Umuahia became Umuahia circa 1908.

Your knowledge of history is strong. . . you're right, it wasnt Umahia. . .

Mr Man, there's no need to set context which isn't there. I have assigned neither paternal nor maternal lineage to the I just spoke about, though if you must know "he's the one that counts" according to your criteria. Without delving much into family matters which are none of your concern, my Igbo is the most relevant since I was accultured solely in his village due to "estrangement". Just leave it there.

Mr man, stop embarassing yourself after exposing your ignorance. I believe you have two granfathers and two grandmothers and they each have fathers. Its best you quit this show of shame and admit your goof. So far you have seen me talk about my Igbo great-grandfather and assumed that all 4 of them are Igbo. Dede, please call your brother to order. He is making a mockery of educational achievement in the South-East. Hehehehe.

Obiagu, I hope your education was not a waste, especially in the area of simple arithmetic. I believe you have 4 Great Grandfathers and so do I.

The study of linguistics tells me that Igbos used to take slaves from the Oru people.

The word slave is taken from the word Slav - as the original slaves were abducted from Slavic peoples of Eastern Europes.

The Northern Igbo may have come to assign the word Oru (slave) to represent the people from which they plundered slaves.

Secondly, if Oru and Igbo are brothers, then Oru is not Igbo. I am Oru. Any Ijaw from Nembe to Bonny was known as Oru as recently as 1900. Why would Abagworo's people need to say "I am Oru but I am not Ijaw"? These are the words of someone trying to distance himself from his true identity. A true Igbo man should have no need to disclaim Ijaw as he would be sure of his identity.

Please educate me OnlyTruth,

What is the meaning of Oru in Igbo?

Why should a slave in Igboland be called Oru?

Oru is the real name of the Ijaw people. It was the whiteman who called us Ijo, but our proper name is Oru. This must mean that slaves to Igbo must have been traditionally taken from the Oru people.

In addition, a statement made by Abagworo struck me. He said that his people have a saying that "I am Oru, but I am not Ijaw". Are Abagworos people not colonised Igbos of original Oru extraction? Bear in mind Abagworo is from a riverine community in Imo State.

The whitewashing of history by the likes of Dede is simply laughable.

I was reading on the internet when I stumbled across an interview with a slave woman from Umahia who was owned by my great-grandfather Chief John George (pure Ijaw man).

It is simply laughable to claim that slave owners were Igbo. It is well known that significant portion of Nembe and Akassa are descendant from slaves. Pray tell, who owned them?

The only difference between Ijaw-owners and Igbo slave-owners is that slaves to Ijaw become part of the family whilst slaves to Igbo become Osu.

Since Nasoeb is a Bonny boy, Ndigbo should feel free to come and claim him. From his vituperations on this thread, a big shock awaits any Ndigbo who would try to claim a Bonny man as one of his own.

Ama means town in Ijaw

Whilst Wari means House or Compound.

It would seem the Southern Igbo took the name Ama from their Ijaw neighbours or vice-versa or perhaps its just a mere coincidence. I don't see the French claiming that they own the Television just because the English stole the word from France. Nor do the Romans own the word Bath just because they invented the Bath. The attempt by Dede to claim exclusivity of a word speaks more of his neanderthal approach to issues. Our forefathers have been exchaning wards and wares since Dede's great-great-great-great-great grandfather was wearing nappies.

If Arsene Wenger is a psychic, could you please tell him to predict the next lottery numbers for me?

I hope say you nor be product of failed education system wey no know the difference between psychic and psycho

^^Djorou never had it. End of.

Do you remember Emerson Thome or Tal Ben Haim? For some part of their careers, you would think they were quality defenders.

Djorou has always been a baby giraffe with no sense of danger. The only time he has ever played well was when Arsenal midfield was in top form last season and the only thing he had to deal with was some high pumped balls. Like I said back then, attack Djorou from different angles and you would see what he's made of.

Seun,

I can't believe you are still asking this kinda question in this day and age. This is common knowledge now. I've got 2 friends who are ex-military and they told me this story years ago.

Don't forget DD scored 13 goals last season, so even the point of "scoring goals" holds no water. A concussed and malaria ravaged DD still outscored Torres, although I think Torres would start scoring soon.

Secondly, Nateevs point of Torres maintaining the shape is rubbish. If you are looking for a striker to hold the ball up, DD and Lukaku would do that better. If the argument is that Torres is sharper, more intelligent and can interpass better than DD and Lukaku, then I got news for you - Anelka can still do that better than him.

There is no measure of "keeping the shape" over the past few months where Torres is the best at Chelsea.

Torres would click into form soon from what I'm seeing.


Meanwhile, you guys should digest this info from Goal.com:


• No Chelsea player other than Juan Mata has scored more than one goal this season.

• The last time Chelsea lost to Manchester United, they went on a four-match winless streak.

• Frank Lampard (right) has created more goalscoring chances than anybody else in the Premier League this season, with 14.


If "dead and gone" Lamps managed to create the most chhances in the prem, "alive and kicking" Ramires should shoot himself in his kneecaps.