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nateevs:
A compilation of a few of his passes and two wonder goals.

I cant see nothing here except long range passes, and plays where there was no one around him.

It is funny you should bring up the West Ham vs Liverpool FA Cup final performance, because as I noticed, and as Akola mentioned once, apart from the two wonder goals scored by Gerrard, Yossi Benayoun completely dominated the midfield for West Ham.

It is obvious you dont have what Im looking for. . . . Gerrard doesnt have it. . . you might find one or two isolated incidences, but in general, the only good things you will see from Gerrard is long range passing, shots and breakaway pace on the counterattack. . . .

Go back and review the passes from Lamps to Malouda, Anelka etc in the video I just posted. . . .that is from one season alone. . . . that is midfield play my friend. . . . Im guessing you always played as striker or defender in your youth  . . . . you wouldnt know midfield play if you saw it. . . . thats why you keep recommending ineffective passengers to Chelsea.

nateevs:
You wanted variety from Steve. . You got it. . .

Check out how to play free kicks. . . not all that rubbish from Lamps you are showing me.



Check out the technique of one of the goals inside the box. That's mad. Honestly.


Check out this crazy compilation of insane technique


Only a few know how to kick this way. . . Lamps will need to fast for 100 days and 100 nights to play a free kick like this.


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And even when he doesn't score them. . The ability is clearly there. .

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Nucca, I asked you to show me evidence of technique. . . . not shooting technique, not freekick technique. . . . I mean midfield technique. . . . .show me evidence of killa passes in tight spaces, left foot passes, first touch. . . . DO NOT SHOW ME THE SAME OLD LONG RANGE SHOOTING AND FREE-KICKS!!!


This is what Im looking for:

There is no-one better at it than Lampard either; no-one more skilled in the art of the quick-fire pass under pressure, having expertly worked out distances and angles before the ball arrives at his feet.


It didnt take me long to show you Lamps video from last season. Incase you didnt see, lemme show you again:

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This kind of midfield technique is what Im looking for nucca. . . . and dont show me just one incident. . . . show me a collection of his technique like I've showed you Lampards technique.

nateevs:
Looking for more.

Keep looking. . . . youtube never do you. . . . now you done go reach metacafe

nateevs:
You must be silly for saying Steve can't use his left foot. . . Outright stu.pid. .

Can you pull up one quote where I said Gerrard cant shoot with his left foot?. . . . I said Gerrard cant pass properly with his left foot, especially in tight spaces. . . . Essien can shoot with his left foot ala Barcelona, but will you say Essien is brilliant at passing with his left foot?. . . . absolutely not. . . . Gerrard, like Essien, must shift the ball onto his right foot before laying off a quick pass. . . . wasting vital seconds. . .

If its a lie, please produce video evidence of Gerrards quality passing with his left foot. . .

nateevs:
Let's set this straight . . . If it came out as Lamps CANNOT shoot with his left foot, then I take that back. The point is not that Lamps cannot shoot with his left, He just about can but that's it. Gerrard takes shots on the volley with his left. That technique is a mile off.

Have I ever disputed Gerrards shooting?

Upon all his brilliance at shooting, Lamps goal record is infinitely better. . . . why is that?

The end result is goals my friend. The video I just posted showed the variety of ways Lamps scores goals. . . off the ball running, chips, composure, shooting etc. . . . finishing is not just about shooting from long range you know.

After all is said and done, Lampard is the better finisher. . . . if I am lying, say the truth and shame the devil

nateevs:
Secondly Steve's headers are blazing. He heads the ball like a footballer should. Lamps even celebrates a header in the video like Makalele celebrated when he finally got a goal. . Why? Becos he himself knows he doesn't head. .

Yes. . . yes. . . yes. . .

You have talked about heading, long range shooting, volleying etc which I have never disputed Gerrards superiority.

These are not the most important techniques that define a midfielder.

In the key areas of midfield play - passing, off the ball, marking, stamina, pressing - please answer, who is better at these?

nateevs:
Can Gerrard pass with his left foot . . absolutely YES!. . . You disdain for the fella never allows watch him. This is damn right not objective. .

Im as objective as can be. . . . I have seen Gerrard on numerous ocassions wasting vital seconds moving the ball onto his right foot to release a pass.

I will use a quote from Alan Smith to accentuate the difference between Gerrard and Lampard when it comes to what I consider to be the most VITAL aspect of midfield play:

"In contrast to Gerrard, it is easy at times to miss the contributions of this highly motivated individual such is the wonderful simplicity of his passing game. One or two touches, he rarely takes more when that middle ground becomes unbearably congested.

There is no-one better at it either; no-one more skilled in the art of the quick-fire pass under pressure, having expertly worked out distances and angles before the ball arrives at his feet.

Those calculations often result in a diagonal first-time pass over the top where, in the good times, Didier Drogba could be seen racing away. If that's not on, Lampard will choose something a little more conservative, if equally impressive in terms of peripheral vision and ability to spot the right pass in the blink of an eye. "


Nigga, this is what defines a midfielder, not that other shite about heading, volleying and other peripheral qualities.

nateevs:
Michael Carrick shi.ts on Lamps passing anyday. . . Do you see the figures showing how many passes he made.
I also showed stats showing Mikel's completed passes . . Where's your comment on that. . . ? Abi the stats done fail again?
We bloody damn well know where Mikel passes the ball to. That's a justification? .

Nigga you are silly. . . . have we not dealt with this already?. . . . how many key passes have Mikel and Carrick made?

Lampard is doing well in both no of passes, key passes, and assists.

nateevs:
I don't hate Lamps. . . I love Lamps. I love him to death, Lamps is a phucking legend, . . but I don't call him what he is not. .

Sharrap, you bloodclaart liar!!!. . . . every summer you call for Chelsea to sell Lampard so Chelsea can buy a playmaker like Deco, Diego and VDV.

nateevs:
Lamps is the main reason Chelsea play boring football. I simply want footballer who can play football. . . not paying 130,000 a week to an overrated midfielder.

Case in point.


I guess you prefer the way Juventus are playing with Diego.  

nateevs:
You were on the thread the other saying those who will not benefit from Carllotti diamond. . and you mentioned Lampard as no 1.
Why? Because Lamps is a one-dimensional player. Left of a 4-3-3 ad that's it. .

You were blabbing on the thread a few weeks ago how Carllotti was ruining Lamps. . . Na Carllotti dey ruin Lamps abi na Lamps no fit adjust. . ?

Lamps will not benefit from Carlotti diamond because Carlotti was playing him at the top of the diamond. . . . if you have any tactical nous, you should know that the player at the top of the diamond is required to play mostly with his back facing the opponents goal, and feeding passes to runners from midfield. . . . that is a gross wastage of the greatest off the ball runner that the Premiership has ever seen.

nateevs:
If truly he possesses all the techniques you claim he does, why can't he fit in. 4-4-2 is Zilch, Diamond, he will pafuka. Technique is supposed to lift you up and above tactical challenges. Why happened to the technique suddenly. ? .

You are a mugu. . . . Lampard on the left of the diamond scored 12 goals in half a season during Scolari reign and copped his highest ever assist. . . . he also scored 20 goals playing on the left of JM's diamond in 06/07.

Now, listen. . . . when was the last time you saw Lampard in a 4-4-2?. . . .Is it because Chelsea have not played 4-4-2 for years?. . . .  Lampard scored 15 goals in 03/04 playing in a 4-4-2. . . . he was England player of the year in 04 and 05 playing in a 4-4-2.

If anyone has the stamina to play in a 4-4-2, and still fulfill his attacking and defensive quota, Lampard is the one.

nateevs:
This is getting clearly emotional. Nothing more. . .You will go to any lengths to back your empty theories up.

Nucca STFU. . . . I will not hesitate to rain curses on you when you think like an slowpoke. . . . trust me, its not personal!

The best you can do is go and pull up Gerrards top ten goals. . . . if I pull up Lamps top goals, trust you would see greater variety than just longe range shots. . . . . Bayern Munich, Barcelona etc. . . .

nateevs:
Just look half-volleys after half-volleys and you are telling me dude doesn't have technique. The guy has mastered the technique to take shots without thinking and even with his left foot. Ball in the air on the ground. . he takes it. Lamps has to have the ball most times on the ground!

No one is disputing that Gerrard has technique of half volleys. . . . what we're doubting is his touch-tight technique and short-range passing technique. . . . . as I've said Gerrard is possibly the best long range shooter in the world since Rivaldo. . . .but thats it!. . . . however, claiming that Lamps cant shoot with left foot is darn silly of you. . . you've always hated Lamps cos you feel he is not a ninny playmaker that you desire. . . .

Go to any youtube clip and you will see left foot shot after left shot. . . . perhaps you forgot the brilliant left foot chip against Hull last season for example. . . . the volley over the head against Bayern Munich with his left foot etc. . . .

You havent answered one question. . . . can Gerrard pass with his left foot. . . . capital NO!


You've said Lamps cant head, cant shoot with left foot, others say Lamps assists come from set-pieces. . . . you are such a dimwitted mugu. . . .

Lemme show you just one video from only ONE season. . . . Lampard assists, passes, goals. . . . from 2008/2009 alone. . . .you will see headers, left-footers, right-footers, pinpoint passes, trivellas, paellas etc. . . . .  then come back to talk shite. . . . the technique of passes and assists shown in this video is something Gerrard can only dream of. . . . and this is from one season only!


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nateevs:
More videos for you.

Surprise me with anything from Gerrard other than long range volleys, longe range passes and burst of pace. . . . show me some variety mehn!!!

nateevs:
Steve's shot from range WITH BOTH FEET and perfectly most times is worthy of emulation for any young and upcoming footballer.  When Steve takes a half-volley from range, 90% of the time, he hits the target. Lamps hits the ball and 30% of the time, it's off target, 30% hits an opposing player, 30% deflects and the a tiny % scores. . . AND HE CAN ONLY DO THAT WITH HIS RIGHT FOOT,  . . Stevie takes shot with both feet . . ALWAYS!

I just noticed this properly now. . . . you are a FOOL!!!!

With which foot did Lampard score the winning goal against Everton in FA Cup final?

Kindly take yourself over to youtube if you have forgotten how often Lamps has scored with his left foot.



Now answer this. . . . . have you ever seen Stevie G pass the ball with his left foot?. . . . capital NO!. . . . he would rather waste time shifting the ball to his right foot than attempt any pass with his left foot. . . . on the the other hand, Lamps passes with both feet without blinking.

ritchboy:
Like i said b4, many of lampards assists come from set pieces(he takes like 99% of them), and is further undermined by chelsea's prowess in the air.

This is all conjecture. . .

Do you have stats to back this up?

Off the top of my head, I would argue that Liverpool scored as many goals from set-plays as Chelsea last season.

First Nateevs said Gerrards corners are better than Lamps (which they are).

Now you're saying those corners dont yield good results like Lampards corners.

Y'all better make ya mind up!

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=376903.msg5296406#msg5296406 date=1263256253]Paul Scholes and Mikel Obi on the top of ma head recorded a better pass completion than Denilson.


Lampard does not murder Carrick in every passing statistic.
Apart from Scholes, no English midfielder comes near CARRICK in passing the ball.[/quote]A key factor to passing is stamina. . . whilst Carrick is a good passer, he does not get himself in positions to receive the ball often enough, therefore he will never impact on the passing charts.

Denilson on the other hand is always running, looking to receive the ball and pass it on, thats why he is always near the top of the passing stats.

ritchboy:
Sauron
lampard had 80% pass completion while cesc had 78%. It tells us as much as a fat pig's fart. Like nateevs illustrated with mikel and lampard, pass completion is useless if the passes are sideways & backwards.

It tells us a lot if Lampard is also leading the assists and key passes chart.

If all his passes are sideways and backward, he would not be leading the assists and key passes chart. . . . by a long margin I might add.

This analogy only applies to ineffective passers like Mikel and Denilson.

It is funny that Chelsea scored only 68 goals last season to Liverpools 77, yet Lampard was far more involved in the goals created than Gerrard.

I am still waiting for someone to produce concrete evidence that Gerrard is more effective than Lamps in any of the key areas of midfield play. . . . all Im hearing so far is conjecture an subjective opinions. . . most of these opinions formed by highlight reels on MOTD where Gerrards contribution is overemphasised. . . . I watch football with my eyes open, and without bias, and I tell you that Lampard is the most consistent and most effective midfielder I have seen in the last 7 years. . . . only Cesc has the potential to overtake him, and will do so this season.

ritchboy:
Ibime
YOUR STATISTICS ARE RUBBISH!!
so lampard made 124 "key passes" and cesc made 63? I'm laughing in reverse with the hidden message: actim have lost the plot!
Cesc made 22 appearances, even if we scale it up to lampard's 37, it means cesc had 180 key passes. So lampard made 44 more key passes than cesc?

I dont know what you are arguing here. . . .

I am of the opinion that Cesc is the greatest central midfielder ever seen in the Premiership.

Cesc >>>> Lampard >>>> Gerrard



I encourage everyone to explore the statistics and scale players up if they do make sufficient appearances.

For example, Lampard missed nearly 3 months of 07/08 season due to injury and his mothers death. He did not make the top list of passers because of that. However, if you check the statistics of passes per minute, Lampard was second only to Cesc Fabregas. . . . therefore, if we scale Lampard up to 38 games, he will naturallly come second in the charts for no of passes completed.


BTW, your mathematics is wrong. . . .

If Cesc made 22 appearances, then if we scale Cesc up to 37 games, we have 37/22*(63) = 105 key passes, not 180 as you claim.


BTW, anyone who doesnt think Denilson is a good passer of the ball needs to consult Debosky for tutelage. Denilson passes the ball very well. . . its in the key passes department where we seperate the effective passers (Lamps, Cesc) from the rest of the also-rans.

debosky:
PS - Ibime is currently acting as the backside of the nations cup league.

Who cares about that league. . . . Im withdrawing from that shite. . . 

Am phucking issed off mehn. . . . when Eldee was arguing with Sauron about Tevez, I was tempted to sign Tevez. . . . but I said Ill give it one more week. . . .

Now, I've gone to sign him quickly. . . . before his price goes up!

ritchboy:
Ibime
a killer pass doesnt mean it goes to torres directly. . . I've seen Gerrard make defence splitting diagonals to kuyt/arbeloa countless times. If kuyt/arbeloa square the ball for torres to score, they get the credit for the assist, not gerrard(who unlocked the D), something stats will never tell you.

Thats why we have a statistics called key passes. . . . ie passes in a move that lead to a goal or chance. . . . lemme remind you. . . .

Key Passes:

Lampard - 124
Gerrard - 80
Fabregas - 63
Alonso - 62
Barry - 60


^^^Nateevs, you better take note of the above. . . . it will help you differentiate between possession kings like Mikel and Denilson from effective killas like Lampard.

nateevs:
Why did you fail to post the number of start. . . If you didn't want to I will help you . . .

Lampard - 37 starts
Gerrard - 30 starts.

Now do you see that your nonsense stats are flawed. I told you from the stats that Lamps makes more passes is no yardstick. Everyone knows Lamps never misses a game and that's the advantage he's got. He will be damn right useless if he didn't have more passes after playing more games. The number of games started by both midfielders however shows, that Gerrard may just nick it or maybe even even the stats.

Mugu. . . . I am now sure you dropped Mathematics before Junior WAEC. . . . lemme help you. . .

Lampard = 37 starts, Gerrard = 30 starts.


No of key passes: Lampard = 124, Gerrard = 80.

Let us scale Gerrard up to 37 matches = 37/30 (80) = 98.7. . . . still a cool 25 key passes behind Lampard.


No of blocks: Lampard = 9, Gerrard = 1.

If a nucca made one block in 30 matches, you dont need Mathematics to tell you that I would be generous to apportion him 2 blocks in 37 games. . . . . still 7 blocks behind Lampard.


Total passes: Lampard = 2,560, Gerrard = 1,930

Scaling Gerrard up to 37 games, we have 37/30 (1930) = 2380. . . . still a cool 180 passes behind Lampard.



I can carry on and on. . . . but Im sure you catch the drift by now. . . . now drift off!

nateevs:
Abeg leave all these stats things alone. . . The only thing Frank does better than Steven is  score goals. Take that away and Lamps is just an ordinary footballer. .

fa, fa, fa, foul!. . . . so what do you have to say next?

nateevs:
Where in history have heard someone man-marking Lamps?. . . That's because he's not creative, because he does not dominate and he is not all that.

Gerrard is a counterattacking player and most counterattacking players are watched cos of their speed. . . . mugu. .  . it makes no sense to mark a traditional central midfielder like Lamps. . . . . naturally, traditional central midfielders manmark each other just by their position on the pitch. . . .  have you ever seen anyone manmarking Fabregas before? . . . . tactical mugu!


BTW, what an easy job that was for Essien. . . . totally exposed Gerrards lack of technique in tight spaces. . . all the mugu wants to do is burst forward in speed. . . . anyone who is faster than him would easily manmark him.

edoyad:
Ibime calls two stellar performances in two consecutive finals in 2005 and 2006 ancient history, tell me of Franks recent history then.

This is why your ties to Gerrard are emotional, not logical. Yes, he was lucky that his best moment came in CL final and FA Cup final. . . . however, he is not of the same consistency as Lampard.

I will also remind you that Lampard won FA cup final for Chelsea and also dragged them back into a CL final. . . amongst other games such as Bayern Munich quarter final match etc. . . . we do not congratulate Lamps in Roy of the Rovers hyperbole like the English press do to Gerrard who is accredited with every single comeback. . .

ritchboy:
Gerrard is a far better passer of the ball than Lampard. He attempts more killer balls than Lampard, who only picks out passes Stevie Wonder could make, which is why Lampard has better passing stats.

I guess thats why Lamps makes 50% more assists and 50% more key passes than Gerrard. . . . upon all Gerrards killer balls, he is not creating nearly as much as Lampard. . . . soon you will say that Torres is missing all the killer chances that Gerrard creates! 

edoyad:
The day lampard rescues his team twice in a FA cup final, wake me from my beauty sleep.
The day Lampard doubles as a right back and mid fielder to rescue his team from 3-0 deficit to AC Milan in a UCL final, wake me up from my Gerardic slumber.

I see you are still living in 2005. . . . I guess you were asleep last season when Lamps rescued Chelsea in the FA Cup. . . and the season before when he pulled Chelsea back into the Champions League final. . . . all Gerrard fans have to say about Gerrard is his overblown contribution to 2005. . . . in that case Seydou Keita is my greatest midfielder of all time having rescued Mali from 4-0 down yesterday! 



More stats for the haters from 08/09 season. . .




Tackles Won
40 - Lampard
34 - Gerrard
22 - Giggs
11 - Ronaldo



Passes Intercepted
30 - Lampard
26 - Gerrard
22 - Giggs
15 - Ronaldo



Shots Blocked
9 - Lampard
1 - Gerrard
1 - Ronaldo
0 - Giggs


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So Lampard cannot play in a 4-4-2. . . . what position does he play for England?. . . defensively, I have never seen Ashley Cole face a 2-on-1 situation with Lamps playing just ahead of him on the left-side of the diamond. . . Lamps is always there to help out. . . . Lamps is an attacking and defensive heavyweight. . . .

Ronaldinho is back!

The new 4-3-3 formation is doing wonders for Milan!

nateevs:
Frankie will cross the ball from a corner kick to the hands of the goalie . . time after after. Gerard understands how to curl a ball. Steve knows just how to swing the ball in or out from a corner.

Does that make Stevie G a better central midfielder? How many goals have Chelsea scored from corners in recent years and how many goals have Liverpool scored from corners. . . get back to me on that!

nateevs:
Steve will skip past players . . one, two in a flash and Frank will only dream of that.

Only on the counterattack. Even SWP will skip past 2 players in a flash. . . . not cos of skill, but cos of pace!

Put the ball in a tight space and Gerrard will lose it whilst Lampard will emerge with it. This is the true test of a central midfielder.

nateevs:
Frankie cannot head a freaking ball even if his life depended on it. . Stevie G is a perfect header of the ball from both sides.

Point taken. Xavi can also not head a ball. I guess Gerrard > Xavi. Ewu! 

nateevs:
Stevie's technique poo on frank any day. First time ball control makes Frank look like a cheap baller.

I have totally debunked this senseless point already. Lamps first touch is ten times better than Gerrards. Check the video I posted for classic examples of Gerrard's wonderful first touch.

nateevs:
Steve's shot from range WITH BOTH FEET and perfectly most times is worthy of emulation for any young and upcoming footballer.  When Steve takes a half-volley from range, 90% of the time, he hits the target. Lamps hits the ball and 30% of the time, it's off target, 30% hits an opposing player, 30% deflects and the a tiny % scores. . . AND HE CAN ONLY DO THAT WITH HIS RIGHT FOOT,  . . Stevie takes shot with both feet . . ALWAYS!

There are many midfielders who can shoot better than Lamps. . . . Essien, Milijas, Gera, Matthew Taylor etc. . . .but no midfielders who can outscore Lamps. . . Gerrard does not have the composure of finish that Lampard has, neither does he run off the ball as well as Lamps, thats why Lamps has a better goal record.

nateevs:
Steve understands how to lift a team. Lamps can't lift a team. !

I can see that he is really lifting them right now. . . .

This is a real let down on your part. . . . please quit the Roy of the Rovers hype that the English press feed you. . . . I guess you are still living in the Gerrard-mania of 2005. . . .

Where were you when Lamps lifted Chelsea back into the CL in 08 and won the FA Cup for Chelsea last season, as well as countless other matches. . . . I guess you would come back to tell me that Gerrards contribution is spiritual. . . . mugu!

nateevs:
Steve's a massive free-kick taker. .Time after time he scores a free kick. and a mile off when it comes to set-piece taking. He understands just how to curl the ball. Lamps can only rely on a straight shot hoping for a deflection off the wall. . Lamps can never understand what it means to curl the ball over a wall.

Point taken about Lamps straight freekicks. . . . but how many freekicks does Gerrard score every season  . . . . stop speaking in hyperbole my friend.

nateevs:
Steve understands how to play with space. His passing from range is second to none. .

Stevie does not understand how to play with spaces. His passing in tight spaces is dreadful!

Lamps passing in tight spaces is good and his long-range passing is also good.

nateevs:
Gerard is super versatile - can play in midfield, on the left, on the right and as a support striker.

Lamps can only play on the left side of midfield and in a 4-3-3. Mono dimensional. . . (one of the massive problems of Chelsea) World class mid-fielders - just name it will all play in any given position in midfield. Gerard will play in a 4-3-3, 4-4-2, 4-5-1, diamond . . . just name it. because it takes skill to do that. Drop Lamps in anything apart from a 4-3-3 and everything grinds to a halt. .

Xavi can only play at CM. I guess Gerrard > Xavi.

Gerrard can play all these positions. . . but he cannot play central midfield!. . . . who was the last coach to ever trust Gerrard in a central midfield position regularly. . . . Gerrard Houllier!. . . not Benitez, not Eriksson, not McLaren and not Capello!

Gerrard cant play central midfield cos he runs like a headless chicken and cannot press the opposition as part of a team. He does his own thing ALL THE TIME, thats why coaches always seek to give him positions with less tactcal responsibility.

For England, Rooney shares the left wing with Gerrard. Whenever Gerrard burst forward, Rooney is detailed to plug the left wing. This is another way to ease Gerrards tactical responsibility.

For Liverpool, he has no tactical responsibility at all!

His deployment to the wings or a free role is simply cos he can NEVER be trusted to stick to his position.

And BTW, he plays on the wings not cos he is skillful like Krancjar, Modric, Iniesta etc. . . . but cos he has pace!

Soon as Gerrard's pace goes, he is finished. Even you cannot deny this. On the other hand, Lampard will play at a high level until he is 35.





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After all is said and done, I would like you to be objective and admit that by any statistics that define a central midfielder, Lampard is head and shoulders above Gerrard.

In all these questions, you have never asked about the primary role of a midfielder. . . who is the better passer, creator, scorer, and who is better tactically (defensively)?. . . who has more blocks and wins more tackles, and who covers more ground?. . . . the statistics should tell you all you need to know.

Dont worry. . . . keep coming with your subjective opinions about first touch, shooting etc. . . .subjective opinions that dont translate into results. . . . I will keep hitting you with hard facts and figures. . . . next time, I will give you both Lampard and Gerrard's defensive stats from last season. . . . that one is not even a contest.

nateevs:
This is just pages and pages of bullsh+it and numbers. . You are not telling me anything except number.

He scores goals and makes many passes. Lamps will naturally have a greater number of passes because he hardly misses games.

These are not baseless facts. . . . if a blind man claims that Lamps does not control his midfield, I must show that blind man that Lamps has the highest no of passes, the most key passes, and the best pass completion ratio etc.

Which part of not "dominating the midfield" is that?

JM, Ranieri, Grant and GH have said that Lamps is the best box-to-box midfielder in the world, and you are here yarning nonsense.

I know your problem. . . . the presence of Lamps ensures that you will never have your inneffective ninny playmaker at Chelsea. .  . if you dont like it, go jump off a cliff! 

nateevs:
That said, you have not told me anything we all don't know about Lamps. Lamps is more prominent than Steve only because Chelsea in recent years has been more glamorous than Liverpool. . nothing more. . AND BECOS HE PLAYS IN EVERY GAME.

How many games did Stevie G miss last season?

Is it because he plays for Liverpool that Xabi Alonso also shits on Gerrard in passing statistics? That Liverpool excuse holds no water. . .

Ewu, these stats are from last season. . . . please tell me which team performed better last season. . . . Liverpool or Chelsea?

As for passes per minute, I would have you know that Lamps had the third best no of passes per minute for 07/08 behind Cesc and Alonso. . . . and the second highest pass accuracy behind Denilson. . . . I would let you fish those statistics out yourself!

Im coming back to address your points in a minute.

Ibime:
"He does difficult things but he makes them look simple and that is why some people think he is less spectacular.

Sometimes it is obvious, sometimes it is less obvious. But he is so often the key to a victory.

The above is what one eyed men like Nateevs can never grasp. . . . their football intelligence quotient is in single digits. . . .

So Lampard does not control the midfield?



Here are the opta stats from last season:


Premier League Assists:

Lampard - 10
Gerrard - 9
Fabregas - 8
Barry - 7
Alonso - 6

This is only EPL. In all games, Lamps copped 20 assists, a phenomenal return, despite playing even deeper than Gerrard.





Total Passes:

Alonso - 2,578
Lampard - 2,560
Gerrard - 1,930
Barry - 1,808
Fabregas - 1,788

NB: Fabregas missed 2 months of the season otherwise he would be higher up. Ditto Denilson.

Notice the large drop-off from Lampard and Alonso to the rest of the contenders.

Some idiots thing Lamps doesnt pass the ball because he doesnt take his time to caress the ball before laying off the pass. This is a common misconception. Lamps first touch is usually a pass.



Key Passes:

Lampard - 124
Gerrard - 80
Fabregas - 63
Alonso - 62
Barry - 60

Lampard outperforms Gerrard on key passes by 50%!!!

This is a tribute to (a.) his composure in the box to pick the right pass (b.) his stamina to always get himself in position to give key passes.

God blessed Gerrard with pace, and Lamps is still outperforming him in all key areas where his pace should give him a distinct advantage? Shame on Gerrard!


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1190455/Barry-bonanza-City-man-130k-week-Tevez-next.html



Yeah I agree. . . . Lampard does not control his midfield. . . . . fa, fa, fa, foul!!!

Nateevs should be stripped of his Chelsea badge. . . . one-eyed bat! 

http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item370371/Lampard-is-Player-of-the-Decade/


[center][size=14pt]Lampard is Player of the Decade[/size][/center]

Chelsea dynamo Frank Lampard has been revealed as the Barclays Premier League's Player of the Decade.

The England international was handed the honour by facts and figures giant Opta who studied every English top-flight game since January 1, 2000.

After crunching the stats, Opta declared that Lampard has the most games and the most wins to his name, the 31-year-old also has the second-most number of assists and the fourth-highest goalscoring record.

Lampard beat Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher to the most appearances record, finishing five games ahead of his Scouse rival thanks to the 346 matches - 210 of which were wins - he has featured in.

The former West Ham favourite finished second on 76 to Manchester United legend Ryan Giggs in the assists stakes, and fourth after Thierry Henry in the goalscoring charts. The Frenchman bagged 169 goals for Arsenal.

Current Roma boss Claudio Ranieri, who signed Lampard from the Hammers for £11million in June 2001, is far from surprised with the results.

"This news fills me with a great satisfaction and pride because Frank Lampard is totally unique," Ranieri told The Sun.

"He is a complete player and so professional. It doesn't surprise me that he is the best statistically, ahead of other players you might consider to be even bigger stars.

"I'll tell you something. In my view Frank Lampard is a genuine 'Pallone d'oro' - which means he should be a European Footballer of the Year. He really is that good.

"He is up there with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo in terms of quality - he is just a different type of player.

"He does difficult things but he makes them look simple and that is why some people think he is less spectacular.

"But I am glad the statistics have shown what a great player Lampard is. They show just how influential he is.

"Lampard has such a strong mentality and that probably shines through too. Only the other day he had to take a penalty three times but he still scored. That tells you how cool he is under pressure, how focused.

"Frank makes a difference to any game he is in. Sometimes it is obvious, sometimes it is less obvious. But he is so often the key to a victory.

"That's why I am really glad that he has been recognised in some way as the player of the decade in England."

Quote from youtube:

The Observer newspaper voted Gerrard their man of the match for yesterday's England v Estonia game. I heard somebody call them blind and thought I'd rewatch the game and prove the newspaper right with Gerrard's highlights from the game.


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nateevs:
Stevie's technique poo on frank any day. First time ball control makes Frank look like a cheap baller.

You chat pure rubbish. . Gerrard has first touch?. . . . which first touch?. . . . a player that cannot play in tight spaces is what you call first touch?. . . . Gerrard has ONLY EVER been effective on the counterattack due to pace. . . . he is not a midfielder.

How can you say Lamps does not control midfield. . . . I assure you that technically he is twice the player Gerrard is when it comes to playing in tight spaces and passing the ball. . . . 50% of Gerrards passes do not reach their target. . . . I hereby call on Sauron to come and explain this fact for you. . . .


Lemme let you into a little secret. . . . in the past 4 seasons, these 4 midfielders are always top of (a) no of passes and (b) accuracy of passes. . . . do not be surprised:

(1.) Denilson
(2.) Xabi Alonso
(3.) Fabregas
(4.) Lampard


Go and check the opta stats if you think I am lying. . . . Gerrard dictates midfield?. . . . no wonder Liverpool's midfield has been missing since Xabi Alonso left. . . . . MUGU!!! 

nateevs:
Steve's shot from range WITH BOTH FEET and perfectly most times is worthy of emulation for any young and upcoming footballer.  When Steve takes a half-volley from range, 90% of the time, he hits the target. Lamps hits the ball and 30% of the time, it's off target, 30% hits an opposing player, 30% deflects and the a tiny % scores. . . AND HE CAN ONLY DO THAT WITH HIS RIGHT FOOT.. . . Stevie takes shot with both feet . . ALWAYS!

Yada yada yada. . . .Essien, Nenad Milijas, Zoltan Gera and Matthew Taylor can also shoot better than Lampard but they will never outscore Lampard in their life. . . . you are missing two key ingredients: (a.) Composure in the box and (b.) off the ball running. . . . .  despite Gerrards better shooting, Lamps is copping 20 goals and 20 assists per season whilst Gerrard is copping 15 goals and 10 assists. . . . with the exception of last season when Gerrard copped 23 goals playing as a striker. . . . and even then, his assists are nowhere near Lampards.


[size=14pt]Fa, Fa, Fa, Foul!!![/size]

Goodluck is employing a textbook political manouvre.

His siddon look attitude is the best way to play the game at this stage.

nateevs:
Always preferred Stevie. . . Always.

And you've always yarned nonsense. . . . . ALWAYS.

The only thing Gerrard has over Lampard is a burst of pace.

Is Gerrard even a midfielder?

No Xabi Alonso, no Liverpool. Gerrard cant even control his midfield. Eeediot!!!

When it comes to passing, assisting, scoring, ground covered, tackling, dictating the midfield etc. . . . Lampard >>>>>> Gerrard

So who still thinks Man Utd wasnt a one-man team?

Fergie had been outclassed over 4 years ago, and was about to retire. . . . Queiroz and Ronaldo came to save his backside.

Imagine Manure fans making mouth anyhow with that their nonsense team which was carried for the last 3 years by a freak of nature.

Only Rooney and Vidic would make the Chelsea team. . . . . eeediots!!!

[quote author=~Borat~ link=topic=373612.msg5284054#msg5284054 date=1263076702]shush. . .
it was never about being the last team standing,
its about winning it[/quote]Mugu. . . . have I lost it?. . . . anuofia!

After most of y'all got knocked out over 2 weeks ago, Im still standing like Elton John.

Those who are still in it to win it are yarning, loser like you dey put mouth. . . . nna kpo gishi o!



MEND FC for the fantasy cup!!! 

I should qualify for the next round of the fantasy cup humdallah. . . . . Im 7 points ahead and my opponent only has David Dunn left to play. . .

MEND FC is the last team standing!!!

Beaf, have you verified the attack is from MEND. . . . please amend your thread title accordingly. . . . if it was MEND, they would have issued a press statement to go with the attack.

Femi Falana is doing well. Even in his old age he is still sacrificing his time for this cesspit called Nigeria. Where the hell is Festus Kenyamo in all this?

I can only field 10 players this week. . . . 8 if Villa game is called off. . . . and I've already made transfers costing £8m.

I hope this wont lead to ma exit from the fantasy cup. . . . on second thoughts, my fantasy cup opponent can only field 6 players. . . . . 3 if the Villa game is called off. . . . . Lord, please cancel the Villa game in Jesus name. Amen.

I just hope Arshavin, Nasri and Diaby score a goal each for my fantasy team. . . . Arsenal 3 - 4 Everton

FFS. . . . all this jagbajantis just cos of that nucca Debosky.

Have you ever seen a grasshopper challenging a prey-mantis? Silly Nigerian senate.

Am not even dissapointed with em challenging yankee. Am dissappointed they withdrew their challenge after only 48 hours. Spineless idiots.

Its a shame.

Last time I was in Nigeria, I was in the back of an Onitsha-PH bus whose driver refused to pay rojer at a checkpoint. As the bus was driving away, the policeman gunbutted the window where I was sitting, breaking the glass. I had to duck fast incase that animal started shooting. I didnt even know whether to be mad at the bus driver for driving away or the policeman for breaking the glass.

May God rest the soul of the young man.