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Alright boyz. . . . enough yap for now. . .

Hopefully what romantics like Ritchboy can take away from this thread is a rethink on what they thought to be the black and white truth as portrayed by public sentiment and public emotion. . . .

Those who study the game for 90 minutes should be able to observe that Lamps contribution in midfield is immense. . . . whilst those who watch highlights see the bursting runs of Gerrard and get a skewed sense of his comparative influence. . . .

This discussion should help tactical lightweights like Ritchboy think twice about what they think constitutes a good midfielder. . . .

Those of us with tactical nous already know that Gerrard is incomparable to Lamps.


And of course, it goes without saying that Lampard has always won their battle for the No 8 shirt for England. . . . for 7 years straight. . . despite Gerrards protestations that the no 8 shirt is do or die for him, he has NEVER been able to wrestle it away from Lampard.


Good discussion.

RuuDie:
Cameroon team lineup:

Kameni, Nkoulou, R. Song, Geremi, Bedimo, A. Song, Makoun, Nguemo, Webo, Emana, Etoo

Kanu = R. Song

Yakubu = Geremi

African man loves clinging on to power.

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=380293.msg5307734#msg5307734 date=1263398831]you fu  ck off, ode.

cant stand being criticized, can you, but your mouth is always eager to criticize others.

muttalab that you are.[/quote]Aint nobody talking to you. . . . just face front.

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=380293.msg5307503#msg5307503 date=1263396979]it shows[/quote]Fu ck off!

netotse:
i wonder why the geniuses that started this thread thinks that if nigeria will break-up it'll be into only 3 pieces? as if it is only 3 tribes that make up nigeria. If nigeria breaks up who do you think the Niger Delta will follow? if it follows any of the three tribes i can bet you the tribe it follows will break-up again in twenty years. . .

[size=13pt]abeg my south-south brothers lets tell all these nuisances that if nigeria breaks up we wont be going with any of them[/size]

Niger-Delta will only survive in a United Southern Nigeria.

I will miss NOTHING!

I never left South East region, except on my way to and from Mutala Mohammed airport to fly in and out of the country.

I never lived anywhere other than Portharcourt, and the only cities I have visited are Aba, Onitsha, Enugu, Benin, Lagos. . . . . and a very brief plane stopover in Kano. . . . . GBAM!


I will still be able to travel up north when I wish just as easily as I do now. . . . thanks to ECOWAS freedom of movement!

ritchboy:
Ibime
i can also argue the writer was biased towards lampard since he told us what lampard does better and failed to highlight what gerrard does better, which are a million times more.

Oh. . . . so the writer is biased despite the fact he picked Gerrard.

ritchboy:
Let me remind you:

[s]gerrard has better range in his passing than lampard.[/s] Does he have short range? No!

He is more creative than lampard. Thats why Lamps makes more key passes and assists

His technique striking the ball, be it from range, on the half-volley, volley, ground, underwater, MURDERS lampard's(and just about every other player on earth), in cold blood - True!

he is far more athletic than lampard, thats why he jumps and heads the ball far better - True!

He's more technically astute. At what? The writer already told you Lamps has better technique in midfield play. You must mean technique at striking a ball or heading a ball.

[s]He dribbles better, lampard cant get past a scare crow.[/s] Dribbles or surges? None of em are dribblers.

He's much quicker - True!

[s]He dictates play far better, bringing others into the game.[/s] - False!. . . . as all the stats show. . .

[s]He's FITTER and more energetic, irrespective of what your rubbish stats tell you.[/s] - You mean faster, definitely not fitter.

[s]He defends better(when asked to) than lampard.[/s] . . . Can someone with poor positioning defend better? Check the defensive stats.

He crosses the ball better, and takes better corners - True!

He hits a far better dead ball than lampard. He curls the ball better. - True!

[s]His presence on the field alone makes lampard look invisible[/s] - An emotional reaction, not a logical one.

It comes back to the same old argument. . . . Gerrard is only better at Lampard at:

(1.) Shooting. . . . . so what, if he scores less goals?
(2.) Heading. . . . . so what, if he scores less goals?
(3.) Set-pieces. . . . . so what, if he scores less goals?
(4.) Pace. . . . . so what, if he scores less goals and makes less chances?
(5.) Longe range passing. . . . . so what, if he makes less assists?

nateevs:
Joe Cole wants £120,000. . .? Hehehehe!

Nah. . . . the real joke is that he believes he should be paid as much as Essien and Anelka cos he is just as important to the team as them. . . . hehehehehe!!!

ritchboy:
Ibime
The writer didnt tell us how much better lampard is than gerrard before his verdict. He highlighted both players strengths.

Can you look through his whole article again and pinpoint ONE area where he said Gerrard is better than Lampard?


He said:

(1.) Lamps is the better passer
(2.) Lamps is a better creator and makes more assists
(3.) Lamps has better technique to play in a congested midfield
(4.) Lamps is more efficient
(5.) Lamps is more tactically disciplined
(6.) Lamps scores more goals
(7.) Gerrard is improving on his Hollywood passes that go astray (ie a slight criticism of Gerrard)


And what did he say about Gerrard:

(1.) He inspires romance
(2.) He carries the crowd on a wave of emotion
(3.) He is Roy of the Rovers
(4.) He is a good runner (but not better than Lamps. . . cos Lamps has the best running stats in the Prem)
(5.) He is a good shooter of the ball
(6.) He delivers on cue



Now, tell me. . . . which of Gerrard's qualities are quantifiable here?. . . . . the writer said like I said to Edoyad. . . . Gerrrard appeals to emotion, not logic. . . . he did not list one single quantifiable thing that Gerrard does better than Lampard. . . .


This is a case of pre-determined result. . . . he made all the inputs in favour of Lampard. . . .but he had already pre-arranged the final output in favour of Gerrard. . . . 


. . . . so as to be politically correct and avoid controversy!


He even justifies his final decision by saying Gerrard shades it cos he is 2 years younger and fitter. . . . hmmmm. . . .as you can see, he is just looking for an excuse to pick Gerrard and avoid controversy. . . . yes, Gerrrard is 2 years younger.  . .  . but fitter?. . . . hell no!. . . . Lamps on average covers half a km more than Gerrard per game. . .



[size=5pt]Im glad that at least he told Nateevs that Lampard has better midfield technique than Gerrard.  [/size]

How are we not sure this news story is not a fabrication intended to discredit the rally?

[quote author=aloy*emeka link=topic=380395.msg5302517#msg5302517 date=1263329820]The main rebel group in the restive region, the Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta (MEND) said it had "no hand" in the abduction of the workers.[/quote]Fumi, are you dense?. . . . this has nothing to do with MEND as quoted above. . . . you berra change the title of ya thread.

FBS:
Amodu simply needed to include some local players in the squad and name one of them captain.
No I'm not joking.

Nah bruv. . . . most of the local players are not of required quality. . . . when was the last time the African Champions League winners qualified from the first round of the Club World Championships?

Even the best club in Africa is of League 1 quality.


What Nigeria needs is a Drogba. . . . a foreign-bred superstar with the passion for his country when everyone else has lost hope. . .

How can Drogba lift a country in the middle of a civil war to the top of world football?. . . . the attitude of Drogba is what got players and fans serious about their country, and thats why the fans will always love Drogba.

The closest we have to that is Odemwingie. . . the only player who inspires passion among the fans for the Super Eagles.

FBS:
@Ibime, are you drunk?  
Yekini, Amunike et all . . .I guess they were also born abroad?

Bruv, Yekini and Amuneke grew up in a period where there was dignity in hard work. . . . nowadays, our society has gone to pieces. . .

FFS, guys like Adepoju had discipline to play any position required of him.

Amuneke worked the flanks, up and down. . . and so did Finidi.

These boys grew up in a decent society, not like the Harunas we have nowadays.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=362220.msg5302623#msg5302623 date=1263330736]Danny Shittu is too FAT to be a football player so strike his name out.[/quote]Danny Shittu has never let Nigeria down. . . . and he has always been fat!!!

Trust that players like Shittu, Etuhu and Sodje have been begging to play for Nigeria for years. . . . and they are currently living their dream.

They actually want to be there, unlike most of our Super Eagles who are only still playing to fulfill work-permit criteria!!!  

Having been abroad for 13+ years, I believe that the average Nigerian intellect and sense of self-worth have regressed.

I cannot believe the attitude and lack of dignity and laziness shown by our Super Eagles players, even the young ones.

The only players that have the correct attitude in the whole team are:

Enyeama
Ejide
Echiejile
Danny Shittu
Onyekachi Akpam
Adeleye
Ayila
Kaita
Etuhu
Odemwingie



It seems the average Nigerian psyche is lazy and our footballers are no longer diligent like the Oliseh's, Adepojus, Amunekes and Thompson Olihas of old. This is because our society in general has regressed.

I think we need to scrap most of these players, and inject some foreign psyche into our team.

Honestly, I believe a central defence of Shittu and Sam Sodje, with Etuhu in midfield and Odemwingie on the wing should be an ever present combination in SE. . . . with Shittu as captain!

These are people who take responsibility for themselves, unlike our Nigerian bred players who grew up in a society where no one is responsible to the other. . . . governors are not responsible to the electorate, police are not responsible to the population, workers are not responsible to their employers, and Super Eagles are not responsible to the fans!

Sam Sodje may not play for a great team, or be that skilfull, but trust he is ten times more responsible and disciplined than that fool Yobo.


I think that many Nigerians are now second-hand goods, affected by the corrupt incompetent mentality that now pervades Nigerian society.

I saw the same with the Under-20 boys in the last youth World Cup.

It seems our intellect is regressing, hence I recommend that as many players born and bred abroad as possible be drafted into the Super Eagles!!!  

ritchboy:
Sauron
the writer CONCLUDED GERRARD IS BETTER THAN LAMPARD. . . that is NOT what you have been telling us

The writer spent the whole article telling us why Lampard is superior to Gerrard. . . . his final verdict is disingenuous. . . .you cannot spend the whole article telling us Lamps is a better passer, more efficient, more disciplined and harder worker, then come back to conclude that Gerrard shades it. . . on what?. . . . on goals?. . . . on emotion?

Incase you dont know, it is career suicide for any journalist in UK to put the golden boy down. . . .he arouses too much emotion. . . .  the website would be flooded with protests from brainwashed morons. . . . .the kind of morons that send death threats to Lampard cos they believe that if Gerrard was given freedom of Englands midfield, England would win the world cup. . . .  . . . Martin Samuel of The Times nearly received death threats when he wrote that Gerrard should be dropped for Lampard for England. . .any conservative journalist would be wary of writing harshly of Gerrard.

Trying to get a member of the British establishment to concede that Lamps is better than Gerrard is harder than trying to get Liverpool fans to concede that Terry is better than Carragher. 

Sagamite:
TT is a WB, that is the spice he adds to the game. So it is not a big deal when someone else covers for him. His CB and DM should know they would have to do that frequently.

Sharrrrraaaaaaaaaap!!!. . . . you are slower than ya favourite coach Amodu. . . . what does Taiwo contribute attacking-wise apart from taking stupid shots from 50 yards.

We need a dynamic manager who is not scared to make decisions.

A manager who does not think Nnwaneri is a competent defender.

A manager who will not keep Yobo as captain after 3 years of contributing nothing.

A manager with the bollz to drop Kanu and Yakubu forever. . . . (and possibly Yobo and Olofinjana)

A manager who can react to situations immediately, not waiting till 80 mins despite obvious flaws.



SiaSia/Oliseh will do all these and more.

Sagamite:
The first goal was Yobo, Nwaneri and Enyeama's fault.

The second goal was a lucky deflection.

The third goal was Yobo's fault.

Yobo and Mohammad had stinkers for this game.

The second goal was Taiwo's fault. . . what was Nnwaneri doing covering his left back position. . . even by the time he got back, if he had the desire, he would have blocked the shot. . . . he just turned his back on it.

The third goal was KANU and Yobo's fault.

Akolawole:
I dont think you knew the gravity of your last statement.

Brother, you can always support England national team. Abi no be so.

## If you've been following Nigeria team for long time, you will know why few players is always in the team even though they shouldnt. From 1982 nation cup in Libya, i can give you loads of names that shouldnt even be in the team.

Both local and oyinbo coaches does this.

Ask Dr Kit, HNIC, Alabi and other oldies in the house.

We have supported the team and we will continue to do so despite all odds.

And what have you won since 1982?

Do you know the pressure Capello is under to drop Beckham from certain sections of the media?

At least Beckham is still young.

Who is putting the same pressure on Amodu to drop Kanu in Nigeria?

They are busy singing Kanus praises and nominating him for this and that award.

You see the truth but choose to look the other way.


It is people like you that condone corruption and incompetence in Nigeria.

This kind of attitude is what gives Turai confidence to be deceiving y'all over Yaradua's brain damage.

What do you want me to ask Dr Kit?. . . . is it not Dr Kit who speaks on behalf of Yakubu and Olofinjana?. . . . I remember Dr Kit going out of his way to defend pregnant Yakubu in the last AFCON.  

Too much focus on personalities. . . . no focus on INSTITUTION. . . . the institution of the Super Eagles is bigger than any one player.

nateevs:
Absolutely and he could not even chase back.
[size=16pt]Any coach who takes Kanu to a tournament should be fired. . .[/size]

This statement has applied since 2006. . . .


Its a case of the emperors clothes. . . . no one is willing to tell the emperor (Kanu, Yakubu, Olofinjana, Yobo) that he is unclothed!!!

Its a case of African man big man mentality.


Look at Cameroun. . . . they dropped Sebastian Bassong for Rigobert Song. . . . when Assou Ekotto complained, they dropped him too. . . . now Cameroun are coming to Nations cup with Rigobert Song and Geremi manning their defence. . . . African man mentality.

nateevs:
Imagine Nigeria can't find replacements for Amodu, Kanu, yakubu, Yobo. .

[size=14pt]ONE NIGERIA. . . . . a nation living in self-delusion. . . . lying to ourselves all the time. . . . no one has ball.z to call Kanu and Yakubu to order and force the old men to retire.[/size]

dayokanu:
The only thing consistent abot Yobo is stupidity.

Thank you very much.

Yobos days are over.

He is as intelligent as a donkey, plus he is very slow these days.

No wonder Everton are conceding three goals a game.




I hope you guys noticed it was Grandpa Kanu who lost the ball there.

A nation living in self-delusion.

Instead of telling ourselves the truth that old men like Kanu and Yakubu are holding us back, we celebrate them.

We just brought on a 43 year old man (Kanu) to change the game for us.

He received a pass that a younger man would have collected. . . . unfortunately his reactions were too slow. . . . he was robbed. . . . goal for Egypt!

A nation living in self-delusion.

I cant wait for the day Nigeria is no more.

Akolawole:
@Ibi

Why is Amody your problem? Why

Agreed that he picked the players, dont they(players) have responsibility on their part?

Anyone who thinks Nnwaneri is worthy of Super Eagles shirt is my problem o!

Plus Taye Taiwo.

And why is Yobo still captain. . . . has he ever shown leadership in all his time with Super Eagles?

Yobo is one of the main reasons why Nigeria underperform. . . . the fool doesnt even open his mouth on the pitch.

He is the on-pitch reflection of his manager. . . . indecisive and incompetent!

hehehehe. . . . look at that classy clearance by Nnwaneri.

Look at that crude challenge from Nnwaneri. . . . no class at all. . . . this is the fool that Amodu dropped Adeleye for.

Nnwaneri is 27 or 28 years old. . . . football age. . . . no wonder the Egyptian players are dusting him everytime. . . .

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. . . . . . I laugh in Cabinda!

Only a fool like Amodu would pick Nnwaneri, Yobo and Taiwo in defence and expect not to concede goals. . . . especially Nnwaneri.

See as Taiwo just turn him back on the shot instead of throwing his body in.

Amodu looks like he is about to suffer heart attack. . . . he should hurry up and catch the heart attack jor, lets get a better coach.

My only hope is for Naija to flop in this Nations cup so they can sack the fool.

As you all can see, MEND FC is top of the Premier League.

Next round, I can see Im up against Librans FC.

This is a local derby between Brufut and Kombo St Mary.

Out of respect for Dayokanu, I shall take it easy on her. . . . but sure enough, the 3 points is guaranteed!!!

morpheus24:
Joseph Yobo is not a leader as a captain. whilch is why so many leaks in defense.

If Taye Taiwo doesn't control his frequent overlapping his side will contnue to leak

Yobo and Nnwaneri should be dropped immediately.

Yobo especially for failing to assert himself on Taiwo who always leaves his position.

Nnwaneri is just not classy enough.

Look how the two of them were made to look stupid trying to play offside trap.


That said, I like the balance in midfield.

Finally Etuhu has stopped all his gragra English football and improved his technique. . . . must be the influence of Roy Hodgson.



@ Shaibu Amodu.

Amodu should be tested for mental incompetence. I dont think the man knows his own mind.

First of all, he left Obasi out the squad. Last minute, he brings Obasi back in. Now Obasi is starting.

Taiwo was dropped for Echiejile who was doing well. . . . now Taiwo is back in.

Nigerian player of the year, Odemwingie has been dropped for Uche who had been dropped previously.

Finally (and thank God), Olofinjana has been dropped.



Does Shaibu Amodu know his own mind? Can his players trust such a bi-polar fellow? His indecisiveness is a classic hallmark of mental instability!!!!  

hehehehe. . . . . I nor fit laugh. . . . so Yakubu is playing left wing whilst Kalu Uche is playing as the lone striker. . . . has Amodu gone crazy?

Yakubu is no longer the young man of 10 years ago who used to play on the wing.

Joe Cole apparently wants $120,000 like Essien and Anelka therwise he wont sign a new contract. . . . Chelsea offered him $100,000 and he rejected.

I think its time to make a stand. . . . let him leave on a free!. . . . he can go to Tottenham. . . . I dont see him at Arsenal or Manure. . . . or he can go warm the bench in Madrid like McManaman.



Fellaini to Chelsea?. . . . no way Jose!

I got a feeling Chelsea wont even sign anyone this window.

That is NOT Yar'Adua voice.

Animal!