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RichyBlacK:
This discussion will be intractable unless we properly define certain terms:

1. Islam: Is it Islamic nations, the religion, the people or Arabs?
2. Capitalism
3. European nation
4. Backward
etc.
And their relation with each other. For example, are all European nations capitalist?

One way out is to focus on specifics. Why not compare the United Kingdom or United States with Iran or with Turkey? That may help keep the comparison between the West and Islam manageable.

^^^There is no need for all that. . . . you can only claim that Islam is a viable system of Government IF you believe it is the word of God. . . . you are a Christian, so there is no way you can believe that. . . hence, you are inferring that one man, 1400 years ago has the answers to everything. . . .

The idea that you can find the answers to everything in the writings of one man is just ridiculous. . . great societies are built by the proliferation of different ideas from different sources. . .

Islam was written by a man with no grasp of modern economics. . . . as long as people continue to look to it to govern their society, they will always be backward. . . .a quick example: Islam cannot teach you about manipulation of Interest rates to control inflation or to stimulate growth, because officially, there are no variable interest rates in Islam. . . when your economy stagflates or collapses, you then blame the Western Imperialists. . . .in this modern age, the Arab Governments do implement interest rate policy. . .  but I bet the mullahs are still preaching against it, turning people toward ignorance. . . . 

another example: Islam will never allow you to conduct embryonic stem cell research. . . in the future, when we are curing Cancer and Parkinsons, the muslims will still be asking why they are behind in the field of medicine. . . .

whether by law or by general practice, Islamic societies do not encourage the education of women, so how can they teach the next generation?

No religion is viable as a way of life, not just Islam. . . .for years, the Christian Church persecuted Scientists. . . by the same vein, if people insist on living by edicts from backward times, they will always be backward.

RichyBlacK:
Is Turkey, a member of NATO, backward?

Turkey is a secular country, founded on a secular constitution. . . .

RichyBlacK:
Good analysis, but I disagree. That tacitly implies that Capitalism is absent in Islamic societies. Can you prove or demonstrate that?

It doesn't have to be absent. . . . it is just not the dominant structure and has not reached critical mass. . . most muslims are still tied to living by the way of the Koran. . . .and really, by Capitalism, I mean democracy and all the freedoms we enjoy in the west.

RichyBlacK:
I disagree with that statement.

if you want to make a fair comparison between Islam and any other entity, then we must be fair in such task. Firstly, the other entity must be a religion. Secondly, we must factor in time.

Assuming we agree to use Christianity as the other entity, the question becomes when do we compare these two entities? Why not compare Islam today with Christianity in the 1400s?

We must properly establish the parameters of any comparison and not just use points in space/time that share no reference.

The difference is that the West has rejected Christianity and embraced Capitalism, whilst the Arab world continues to use Islam as a way of life.

Therefore if we are to compare the West's advancement to that of the Arab world, we must juxtapose Capitalism against Islam and not Christianity against Islam. . . .

RichyBlacK:
Shuo! Which ones na. No be fight o. Abi I don gree finish say I go take the course. no worry yourself, I go do am. Meanwhile, take the history class I tell you sef, you don hear?

I no need history lesson on Islam. . .the history wey I done read so far should last the average man three lifetimes. . . I am very cool with Muslims. .  . . one of my best friend is from Jordan and I was in Jordan two years ago. . . I don also reach UAE and Egypt before. . . .but I have no interest in cuddling-up to their 'religion of peace' or any religion for that matter. . .practical experience of tribal conflicts with muslims in Africa already taught me that their salvation comes at the tip of a sword, whether in Jos, Kano or Sudan. . . . thats why I ask you not to quickly associate yourself with Bilal, because he is a muslim and you are not, therefore they will never have the same level of tolerance toward you. . . .I believe in God, but I don't follow religion . . .however, I particularly dislike the intolerance of the Judaist and Islamic religions.

No. . . I really mean it. . . . please study it. . . . and a bit more. . . this is a sincere message from an ex-communist. . . . if I no like you, I no go advice you

Richy, a course in Macro-Economics will do you good. . . . you don dey enter Negro Ntns territory. . . .

All that one na talk. . . . Somze, abi you no sabi poli-speak?. . . otherwise known as political speak, the use of kind cliches. . . . .as long as they are teammates, they will still say nice things about each other. . . .so far as we know, only one person has been criticised at Chelsea and only one person has reacted to it. . . .for Lamps to comment, it must be serious, because Lamps is THE MASTER of non-controversial poli-speak. . . .even when he hates Gerrard, e go tell you say Gerrard na great player and that they get along fine. . .

A black slave can rise to be prince in Arabia only because he is a muslim. . . . a Christian from Abia State is a totally different story. . .

They are quoting The Times. . . . .btw, Daily Mail is not a tabloid. . . .

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/chelsea/article5526707.ece

Problem with Drogba is that he was allowed to do whatever he wanted under Avram cos Avram was scared of his star power. . . . .it is time someone told him the truth about his attitude and workrate. . . .


[center][size=14pt]Lampard blasts Chelsea crybabies[/size][/center]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1118300/Cole-blow-club-country-Lampard-blasts-Chelsea-crybabies.html


Frank Lampard has warned his Chelsea team-mates that only crybabies cannot take criticism like a man.

Sportsmail revealed yesterday how Didier Drogba, on learning he had been left out of the squad for Southend, told manager Luiz Felipe Scolari he was being ‘victimised’ for Chelsea’s poor recent displays.

But Lampard insists feeling sorry for yourself is no way for any player to convince Scolari he is worthy of a place in the starting line-up.

Lampard said: ‘If you make a mistake or have a bad game, you have to accept that yourself. Once you do that, you’ll be all right. But if you want to cry just because the manager says you’re playing below par, you have to look at yourself.

‘Didier is a good personality and hopefully he’ll come back because, when at his best, he’s one of the best strikers in the world.’

[center]Chelsea star Drogba insists: I'm the victim in all this[/center]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-1116603/Chelsea-star-Drogba-insists-Im-victim-this.html


Didier Drogba told Luiz Felipe Scolari that he was being ‘victimised’ when he was axed from the squad before the FA Cup third-round replay at Southend.

Sportsmail revealed that the surly striker had been dropped from the Chelsea squad travelling to Roots Hall and his humiliation was complete as he was made to train with the reserves.

Drogba was one of a number of under-performing players during the 3-0 defeat at Manchester United last Sunday, but he claims he is being made a scapegoat for Chelsea’s poor run of form.

The striker wants to leave Stamford Bridge but the club have told him to knuckle down and win his place back in the side.

Drogba has been beset by injury and attitude problems this season and he was involved in a stormy team meeting at the club’s training ground following the club’s 2-2 draw at Fulham on December 28.

He has scored just one goal in the Premier League this season, against West Bromwich on Boxing Day, and has failed to link up effectively with Nicolas Anelka.

Scolari made the decision to leave Drogba out of the squad following a team meeting and training session on Tuesday morning, but the striker has told friends that he is being deliberately undermined by team-mates and club officials.

Somze is nitpicking.

Oya. . . .lets see. . . .


Why is this cheesecake fronting?/
His name's like 'oral with sex dolls'. . .cos first you get the 'BJ pumping'/
Did he say something?/ I smash this pea-faced pumpkin/
my lines'll have you reaching for the replay button/
I’m a maneater/ Give you lyrical amnesia/
You can’t stand ether/ you burn like gland fever/
My Molotov/ bring holocaust/ like Iran’s leader/
so if it’s beef, I straighten you out . . . like pan beaters/
Im a damn genius/ first man to land on Venus/
My hand speed is/ so fast, you can’t see this/
like Mayweather/ I rain on your umbrella/
with my chorus/ y’all niggas porous/. . . .Im snake leather!/
I don’t have to compete/ No album released/
I ain’t mixing no tracks. . . but I master the streets/
My voice is trapped in the beat/ that you tap with ya feet/
but my face is unseen, like a Phantom in sheets/
God hears when I speak/ the tears that I weep/
My cares and my grief/ Only fear is defeat/
Nightmares in my sleep/ of dying broke/ so I lie awoke/
plotting schemes to retire rich. . . and buy a boat!/

tangent:
@ sauron, i saw where u said 'hit em up' is not tupac's best diss track. i disagree with you there. is hit em up not the first diss track that mentioned names in the mid-90s. is there any other track i don't know of?

What does name mentioning have to do with anything. . . . one of the exciting thing about listening to diss records back in the day was trying to guess who the rapper was talking about. . . it takes subliminal wit to diss someone without mentioning his name. . . . 2Pac had no subliminal wit, thats why e just shout Biggie name like agbero. . . . its this era of name-calling that turned rap beef violent. . .

somze:
I'm not going to say Anelka was experiencing a drought before the so called "rude interruption" came along. 

What drought? This guy must be watching Chelsea through spectacles manufactured in the Ivory Coast.

Bolton match - Anelka scores

West Ham match - Anelka scores

Everton match - Anelka brought off at half-time for a rude interruption.

Rude interruption then takes over striking duties, fails to even trap ball, misplaces x amount of passes, breaks down every team move, and even refuses to run. Coach then drops rude interruption saying he has seen enough. 

They say arguing with a fool validates his foolishness.

As Akola told me, not everybody in the market is a person

Anelka was unavoidably absent?. . . . he linked the game like any striker should. . . . and created many chances for his teammates. . . he may not be strong or aerially dominant like you know who, but intelligence and game play is another story. . . we can contrast last nights game and the fluency of the passing with the first leg. . . and you will see that play always breaks down at the feet of you know who, whilst Anelka was involved in almost every play yesterday, moving off the ball, trapping it and passing it, unlike you know who. . . .I shall not mention his name cos I am not in the mood to argue. . . . just take that as my own view on the game. . . . and by the way, that is his 17th goal, not 16th. . . .would be more if not for some 'rude interruption' as Nateevs called it.

Some of my favourite lines. . . . .



Producers are feeling me yo/
They my fans. . .so I autograph their beats with my signature flow/ - Ibime

I fold you like lunch packs/
With flows thats ‘over ya head’. . . like ‘shoulders on hunchbacks’/ - Ibime

I don’t pay cash for sex/
No dough for my ho’s. . . but I give em reality cheques/ - Ibime

Spitz is a slick wizard/ so cold, I spit blizzards/
Ya verses start 'off the scale', then 'tail off', like 'sick lizards'/ - Ibime

I smash ya team/ trampoline/ on ya back and crack ya spleen/
Then spray ya ‘blood’ over ya T.V…, now you got a ‘plasma’ screen/ - Ibime

He the same old drag/ that parade those flags/
My lines'll split him/ like 'light-through-prisms'/
….and show the 'true colours' of this 'rainbow gay'/ - Ibime

Im the King Kong/ nigga with the big schlong/
If bitches ring my bell on the hour. . .they get the ding dong/ - Ibime

Ya granddaddy is my oldest ad-vers-ary/
‘cus long ago, I climbed ya family tree. . . and stole ya granny’s cherry/ - Ibime

My girl was talking all that shit about being independent/
Thats why I left the bitch when she was nine months pregnant/ - Ibime

I’m known for lounging around and smoking fine blunts/
I’m so laid back. .  . that I stayed an extra nine months/ - Ibime 

You could the game safe or raise stakes like poker/
Whichever way you play, the Ace breaks the Joker/ - Ibime

I meet ho’s with a nice demeanour/ tell em ‘nice to meet ya’/
A week later. . . we Ike and Tina/
two-three days of torture/ her black eyes ought ta/
persuade her to wear the Gucci shades I bought her/ - Ibime

Have faith when you weep/
‘cus success is only celebrated by he/ who has tasted defeat/ - Ibime

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=218576.msg3343706#msg3343706 date=1232014517]when it comes to public information and news consumption I am a Shepherd and you both are sheep.[/quote]What you mean to say is that you are a gullible consumer of conspiracy theories and propaganda.

What Africa needs is true democracy, regardless of the system of trade implemented.

First lets sort that out, then we talk about whether Capitalism or otherwise is the solution.

You cannot learn Mathematics without first learning to read.

This Negro guy really is a piece of work.

If you don't fit in to his "black power" theories, then you are bad news.

For someone who spent the whole campaign period supporting McCain and then switched on the last day to Obama, I find it hard to take him seriously seeing as he is supposed to be a black nationalist.

Upon all de English wey him dey speak, his mind is shallow and given to conspiracy theories.

Now he cannot wait to stick the boot in Obama. . . . he allies himself with 4Play in this respect, not caring that 4Play's views are driven from a totally different ideological standpoint which is even more diametrically opposed to his standpoint than Obama's. . . . Obama never even enter office and he can't wait to attack. . . . Daviddylan, you really set him straight on Obama's reaction to Gaza. . . .whether Obama is hiding behing Bush on Gaza issue doesn't even matter. . . only an idiot would give a statement on such sensitive matters when it is not his turn to do so. . . .  a wise man never opens his mouth unless he has something to gain by it and only a fool opens his mouth when he has everything to lose and nothing to gain. . . . extremists like Negro never stop to consider all possibilities, they just shout "We no go gree!" like a piqued agbero in a needless riot. 

Just the other day, he was downing Obama for not using MLK's bible. . . . as if that is of any relevance except to shallow minded extremists. If an issue of importance to black people comes up, Obama will step to the plate, but he will not use up his credit over trivialities such as choice of inauguration bible. . . . the moves he is making toward Cuba should provide just such an example. . . . but this guy would rather get bogged down in inconsequential trivialities. . .

Man mi, your view of the world is warped. Fix up and look sharp.

Whether the cameras will be functional or not is another question.

However, this Fashola guy is really a man with vision.

It is almost impossible to run a civilised society without cameras.

Yaradull is just a victim of our one-track economy.

Is it his fault that oil prices are dropping?

Shebi some Nairalanders were complaining that Govt is keeping $60bn in our foreign reserves?

They will see how important those reserves are now.

I just reach house. . . . come find out say we done concede already from set-piece. . . . when will Scolari learn?. . . . Ok, good. . . . equaliser.

Debo, you no say Drogba na politician. . . . e talk one thing today, change mouth tomorrow. . . . dat one na autobiography. . . . wetin him go talk inside newspaper the next week. . . .that he has lost motivation for football?. . . . say him dey expect 'nice surprise' in 2009. . . . or that Chelsea didn't support him when his grandmumsie died. . . . . the story too boku, I get confused by over-repitition. . . .

FBS, I can never forget Okocha's achievement. . . . when Drogba is gone, I will remember the Drogba of earlier years, not the Drogba of late. . . . but football is about winning isn't it?. . . . if Jay Jay is too old, he is directly affecting my team's chances of winning. . . .

debosky:
DD has come out this season to say he wants to stay at Chelski, so forget the stories about last season.

E be like say news no dey reach una for Canada. . . . even readers of Ajegunle Standard would put you right on this fallacy.  

debosky:
Scolari is unable to motivate this bunch to even DEFEND as well as they did previously. When did Chelski EVER concede 3 unreplied goals?? This is a mentality issue.

Yeah, and if you read my posts, I say the same thing. . . . but Drogba issue is completely seperate. . . .DD is not the sole cause of Chelsea problems, just one of a myriad. . . .


I have been watching Drogba close for some time. . . . I can tell you when Drogba's workrate decreased (February 2007) on his way to his 33 goal haul. . . . Ako and Somze always laugh when I tell them this. . . .but even Chacal noticed that Ronaldo does not run backwards anymore, even in the middle of his 42 goal season. . . that is a fan taking notice of his players. .  . as far as I am concerned the dramatic loss of fitness we see in Drogba today is the inevitable conclusion to a steady downward decline in his workrate. . . . can you imagine Drogba not being able to run in 2008? Drogba in 2005 was an animal!

I can also tell you that Scolari's failures and Drogba's loss of form are not exclusively mutually dependent. . . . I know you are an intelligent analyst, but I believe your view of Drogba is skewed by certain games such as Liverpool etc, not to mention the psychological fear of Drogba instilled in you through several asswhippings he handed to Senderos   . . . . but the counter side to Drogba last season is the Drogba of the Fehnerbahce first leg. . . . Drogba last season has one great game, one average game, one bad game and one horrific game. . . such inconsistency is unacceptable to me, because as I have said, when Drogba plays badly, it is simply because he refused to work. . . .

debosky:
DD worked hard under Grant and produced results, even if not in every game. Why can't Scolari produce the same now?

DD producing almost the same now as he did under Avram. Once every 5 games (CFR Cluj)  

Joking aside, DD's downturn has nothing to do with Scolari. . . . that is no reason to label me a Scolari apologist. . . . Chelsea told DD he would be allowed to leave last summer if he kept his mouth shut and stopped giving interviews expressing his desire to leave. . . . that did not materialise. . . . and that is partly to blame for DD's attitude this season.

Akola, nobody is blaming DD for Chelsea's downfall. . . . these are two seperate issues. . . .

FBS, Okocha done old for 2006. You prefer the way CIV ran through our midfield in the semi-final as opposed to the better resistance someone like Mikel would have offered?

I repeat, there is no place for sentiment in football.

Based on sentiment, Raul would play for Spain in the Euro's and they would have lost in the Q/finals as usual.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=196587.msg3340046#msg3340046 date=1231953583]Once u can stop Bosingwa and Ashley Cole from bombing forward by putting smart wingers to match em. . .the attack STOPS.[/quote]Nateevs, shebi I told you exactly the same thing Sauron is saying back in August when everyone was ranting and raving.

nateevs:
Ronaldo scores 42 goals last season. . . but during the madrid drama at the beginning of the season, ManU fans asked him to phuck off to madrid. . they are ManU and they'l always find a new Ronaldo. . . that's the attitude. . . not preaching to me about what Drogba did in Gaza and what he did in 1900. . . I bloody do not care. . .

That's why ManU wins more trophies than most teams. . because no one is bigger than the club. . .

For real, shebi I said the same thing about Barca a few days ago. . .

People here get it twisted. . . .football is not about sentiments . . . this is sports mehn. . . the moment they cease to deliver, you dump them. . . .

The same Drogba they say I hate is the Drogba I loved in 04 05 and 06.

The same Okocha I loved in 94, 96, 98, 00. . . . is the same Okocha I hated in 2006 (cos he was phocking up my midfield!)

This is the difference between objective analysis and idol worship.

Debosky,

Mind your business!

E be like say anywhere Nateevs dey argue, your nyash dey scratch you to enter debate.

Are you going to come here and tell me that Drogba performed under Avram Grant when you are watching Chelsea with one eye and Arsenal with the other eye?

Drogba was highly inconsistent under AG. I bet no one here can recall any other thing of significance that he did last season except for the Liverpool game.

And if you mention his freekick against Spurs, I will refer you to Jonathan Woodgate's goal from a corner. Hint: Drogba was marking him. I will also refer you to the fact that he did nothing in that game except score a freekick.

Drogba performed well once every 5 games under AG. The rest of the time, e just siddon look, waving arms like a primadonna and refusing to run.

If Gattuso has a bad spell for Milan, we know it is because he is not working hard.

If Essien has a bad spell for Chelsea, we know it is because he has stopped running.

Just like Drogba, these are players whose form is highly dependent on their workrate.

Some mention that Zola etc had bad spells. Zola is a different breed of player. Zola's form is highly dependent on his skills and dribbles.

Zola had bad spells because his moves were not coming off, not because he wasn't working hard. Same with Joe Cole.

We used to love Drogba for his work rate and aggression.

I noticed it dropped in 2007. I said it, many didn't believe. If I lie, Akola, go and watch the Blue Revolution DVD again and compare his workrate in 2004 to even 2007, much less 2008/2009.

If Drogba has a bad spell, it is simply because he refused to work hard.

And the less hard you work in matches, the more you lose your fitness. Drogba can never run again the way he used to run in 2004, 2005 and first part of 06/07. His body is no longer used to it. Nateevs made a statement about knowing when to sell. This cannot be more apt than in Drogba's case. We are selling 18 months too late.

I mentioned some players such as Cech, Carvalho etc as my heros simply because they are consistent. You can expect 7/10 or 8/10 every game.

I liked Albert Ferrer simply because he gave me 6.5/10 every game. I knew he was working to his maximum every game.

Drogba is a different story. Since JM left, he has produced sequences such as 10/10, 4/10, 5/10, 3/10, 6/10, 4/10, 7/10, 5/10, then next thing, he produces a brilliant performance and you ask why he is not consistent.

He is not consistent simply because he refuses to work hard in many games. Last season, I said that Drogba only plays with his full heart once every 5 or 6 games (eg Liverpool game). The rest of the time he just stands waving his hands in the air like a prima-donna.

This is unacceptable to me as a fan.

What a proud day. . . . for the first time in history, a black man's picture is being burned by the Arabs. . . .