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@ Mukina,

Lets move this on to the next round pls. The title says Nairaland Greatest Rapper 2008, not 2009.

Now Jose is busy telling journalists in Italy that his contract is worth £12m a year, not the £6m that they claim it's worth.

JM apostles might not think this is a setting a bad precedent, but just wait till Ibrahimovic's contract is up for renewal.

Different club, same shit!

@ Akola

Who you dey call left winger?. . . lol. . . take your time oh. . .

Happy new year, man. . . I knew this conversation would bring you out of hiding. . .

Anyway, before I answer your questions, don’t you think it’s typical that JM has already wasted £30m (Quaresma & Mancini) of the £43m Massimo Moratti gave him to spend at Inter? Different club, same shit.

Don’t you think it is typical that JM has failed again to sign a single successful “flair” player in all his time at Chelsea & Inter? His only success at Inter has been a marathon runner (Muntari) who would have been appreciated wherever he went just for sheer workrate. Typical, I’d say.



Now, to your question:

This is a three-pronged debate focusing on three facets of JM’s transfer policy:

(1.) The age of his signings
(2.) The amount of money wasted on transfer fees
(3.) The amount of wages paid.

You only chose to focus on part (3.) of that debate. Anyway, we can focus on that, but first I want an answer to this question:

Why did JM threaten to leave Chelsea after his first year and why was he only pacified by a humongous new contract which almost doubled his wages? This question remains unanswered for almost a year since we started having this debate.

Somze would have us believe that this new contract was equal to SAF and Wenger’s, but JM’s initial contract was already the fattest contract of any manager in the Prem. Only in recent times have Wenger and SAF started approaching £5m a year. JM’s contract in 2005 was already more than that.

Now to the question of wages . . .

There is no club where the manager sits in on contract negotiations. . . . however, the manager is supposed to recommend to the board what they think the player is worth.

Chelsea boardroom knows nothing about football, but neither does Arsenal or Liverpool. JM should have provided the resistance to the boardroom who don’t know the relative values of players, just like Wenger and I'm sure Benitez do.

I have given numerous examples of SAF and Wenger going to war over the amount of money that players were asking for. Don’t make me repeat myself.

Now, please give me one example where Jose went to war over the amount of money that players were asking for.
I have given numerous examples where he went to war with the board to force them to give players whatever they wanted. Again, don’t make me repeat myself.

These are the drawbacks of the ‘untouchables’ policy under JM where player power runs out of control and the manager provides no checks and balances.

All these questions remain unanswered by JM apostles.

Finally, just because I criticise JM does not mean I endorse any other manager since. I am a big critic of LPS.

@ Somze,

I think we know beyond doubt who Tinkerman signed and who he didn't sign.

The fact remains that JM is the most wasteful manager in Chelsea history, besides Roman Abramovic himself.

When neutrals such as Sauron are telling you that JM was wasteful, you must take his words into consideration. Same with Dayokanu.

Firstly, Mikel's contract is nowhere near signed. Contract talks will take place next summer.

Drogba and Joe Cole's contract talks are also postponed to the summer.

You can imagine if JM was manager, he would be shouting from the rooftops "Give him a new contract now!".

All new humongous contract that any Chelsea player signs is simply to avoid the "economics of envy" between players. Since average players earned gazillions during JM era.

Secondly, Grant can best be described as an interim manager. He had no power to create any legacy and no leverage to weigh in on players contract talks.

Ballack has only been offered a performance-based deal.

Of course, JM is not the cause of our extravagance with money . . . but he did nothing to reign it in, like I know SAF and Wenger would do if they were in his position. Infact, he encouraged our extravagance.

I still maintain, and you are yet to reply me:

Why did JM threaten to walk out one-year after he joined Chelsea and was only pacified by a new humongous contract?

The fact is that JM is like a bitch who thinks RA is a sugardaddy. He didn't care how he spent his money. He pressured the board for money for wages, more money for transfers etc, every transfer window.

The difference between JM-era fans like yourself and Gullit-era fans like me and Nateevs is that we actually care about good governance. You only came after the money, hence good governance is not one of your priorities. You just came to join the party and wreck the mansion.




On another tangent, followers of EPL still do not understand the role of the "technical director" in football. The technical director is the owners last resort before sacking a fiscally irresponsible manager. He is simply there to reign in the spending of fiscally irresponsible managers. It is a fact that most managers never went to school and know nothing about finance. Thats why managers cry when a technical director is appointed over their heads - simply because the technical director does not allow them buy average players for humongous sums as he knows the market better and can buy the same type of player for cheap elsewhere.

Thats why fiscally irresponsible managers like Jose Mourinho, Kevin Keegan and Alan Curbishley had technical directors appointed over their heads - To keep costs low.

Unfortunately, clubs like Chelsea and Real Madrid have turned the notion of the technical director into a political tool to shift blame between themselves in the eyes of the fans.

Hehehehe. . . . na Ibkhaye dey battle like this with all this dirty words?. . . .o girl, go and wash your mouth o. . .

Nice first battle guys. . . .

Tosin, Laplace line was sick.

Don't bother buying Canibus albums. . . . just the first two and all his freestyles. . . . you will be very dissapointed with the production from his third album onward. . . .although Rip the Jacker has some ill poetry, but sonically, it is a letdown

[quote author=A-40 link=topic=38921.msg3314888#msg3314888 date=1231364610]Impressive!! Best of cold chilling was definitely a collector's item and Cee-Lo Green is the shit too![/quote]Cold Chilling?. . . . hell naw!. . . . I'm talking modern Masta Ace, not old school Masta Ace. . . . albums like Disposable Arts and Long Hot Summer are classic. . . . if you want some feel-good HipHop with good melodies, crisp delivery and witty commentary, Masta Ace is the one to turn to. . . .

Here are his song "Unfriendly Game" off his Disposable Arts album. . . .


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LnF0_m8wcHA


I'm about to take this beat, and teach you 'bout the agony of defeat
in this football game in the street
And no it ain't two hand touch, it's rough tackle
When niggas ball on your block, and they buss at you
The fields' full of players, and they all tryin' to score
The whole team sits on the bench in the down pour
'Cause no matter the weather, the game don't stop
Competin with other teams, to reign on top
Your offense/ gotta be cats with no conscience
No nonsense/ niggas, with no options
That know how to carry that rock
make the hand-off, and run off the block
It's hard to get first down, when your new in this rough town
You sell a pound. . . . its a TOUCHDOWN!
And niggas see the pigskin? They blast cops
Some federal agents dressed as mascots
Niggas hold weight, but it's not for liftin'
The only white lines is the ones niggas sniffin'
I know it sounds a bit different, the only quarter is a quarter key
if that ain't a penalty, it oughta be
And the concession stand is so sick
Servin' you the cat, rat and dog on a stick
But if you ask why somebody got slain
Yo, it's just an unfriendly game

[Chorus: Masta Ace, Strick, ]
The game don't stop, cats keep playin'
Some got hit hard and wound up layin'
out in the field but the fans keep payin'
Understand what I'm sayin'?
It's just an Unfriendly Game


[Strick]
Yo, aiyyo it's Monday night, we on some watch the game shit
But I can go outside and still see the same shit
'Cause look, there's a bunch of niggas in a huddle (look)
Looks like they callin' the play, come in kids, don't be all in the way
'Cause that's Pookie, he the fuckin' quarterback
'Cause he like to use the shotgun, if he don't I know he got one
And that's Budda, he the fuckin' runnin' back
'Cause he always say he gon' quit. . . . and he always wind up runnin' back
The rest of them? I'll just say they play the line
'Cause they like to protect Pookie, and Pookie make them stay in line
And if they make a wrong move they penalized
Not by the referee. . . . but by Pookie brother Jeffery
And Jeff don't touch shit, he sit and watch (yup)
oversees the whole block, from his own private luxury box
He's the one that makes the deals happen
Smokin' big cigars, while his stars are in the field scrappin'
But tonight the line of scrimmage got penetrated
The block got raided, and everybody got traded
Now they wearin' stripes in a pen, guess that's how the game go
Nigga you don't know? Highlights at 10

(Chorus again)

I think Killah Priest was one of the illest emcees to ever touch the mic. . . .his verse from Atoms to Adams off his first album sticks with me to this day. . . . this was before Pharoahe Monch and Canibus even thought of the idea. . .



4 grain worn, baptism of form, avoid the vast
my space avoids, again between the asteroids
for Atlanta upon the planet, lucky bandit, lost and stranded
I became a force that demanded, life force took flight
like one course of the night, search many source of life
light was, an overledge coming from the edge of the universe
it passed the moon, to the earth, then from the womb to nurse
but it likes the Membrants, how I can from a distance
to an instinct, resistance was 5 senses
the quest from man repentance, while
others cry to exercise my third eye by hearing lullaby
then I magnify inside, became intelligent and wise
transform from the celestial, shot through a sexual
terristical, testicle vessel, small as a decimal where I nestle
nine months later, special delivery, the Killah P-R-I-E-S-T
from them pheotus to the cleavage, from atoms to adams
from atoms to adams, from atoms to adams

I never listened to Pac's album, honestly. Of course, I heard most of his tunes on the radio or just around the way. But I never went and bought his album and sat down to listen to it. By the time I was in a position to buy CD's, I was already listening to Nas, and my taste in HipHop was already formed - and Pac didn't fit into that taste. I did buy his "Live and die in LA single though".

Speaking of the weird mc. . . . Aesop Rock. . . . WTF?

Young Roscoe? . . . you know that Kurupt album is one of the illest albums of all time. . . . that was where I fell in love with Crooked I when he said "I uppercut niggas hard enough to break my own knuckle."

With outsiders like Dayokanu and Sauron confirming my various critique of JM's transfer policy, I think we can safely say that the chickens are coming home to roost.

I was the lone voice on Nairaland speaking against JM's transfer policy more than a year ago, being browbeaten into silence by my fellow Chelsea-ites in every post on here.

I always said that there was no longevity in JM's strategy, but the idol-worshippers of Nairaland always ignored the facts on the ground in defence of their messiah. A few titles are good, but what legacy are you creating for the long run, except debt and short-termism at Chelsea? Wages skyrocketed, players were bought and sold like barrels of crude oil with no regard to cost and without proper market research.

I think those who worship at the altar of the special one should go and read the meaning of the word "management". Fiscal responsibility is key in management. I do not believe a manager is just a football coach. I believe he is a manager, just like a shop manager is a manager. You can be the best restaurant in town and win all the awards for cuisine, but if you are not taking care of the bottom line, the management of that restaurant is poor.

Doyin, this your English na wa o! I concur.

Texx, you are completely ignoring the reality on the ground.

In nations such as ours, only the strong can prosecute the strong. Ribadu has no such power.

In a country where a corrupt judge can adjourn a case indefinitely until all material witnesses disappear, can you tell me that you are surprised with EFCC's conviction rate? Since when was justice swift in Nigeria?

Unless Ribadu has the backing of top political and military brass, there is no way he could ever go after Babanginda and such. Thats like a civil servant in Venezuela going after Chavez or some dude in Iran going after Ayatollah.

Like everything else in Nigeria, Ribadu can only work within a certain radius. IMO, he even did well to expand those boundaries, going after PDP bigwigs like Odili, Ibori and such.

No doubt EFCC was corrupt in it's dealings under Ribadu. . . but it gave us some hope.

Leave the guy abeg. Lets be realistic here. He is the first guy Nigerians ever believed in when it comes to the issue of corruption. I should think Gani knows best. We do not live in an utopia where the rule of law is followed. I believe that with the proper structures in place, Ribadu would have have the power to go after anyone that transgressed the law. But a wise man must always pick his fights carefully.

How them no go release am? Dem want start civil war. These youngsters these days do not understand the gravity of their actions.

lol.

Go and take care of your granchildren jare! Original inhabitant of PH!

I have never even listened to any 2Pac album in my life. Serious.

There is no best, I don't even have a favourite. . . . everyone just like who you like and enjoy your life.

Canibus would not even make my top 5, although he was in my top 3 in the late 90's.

Nowadays, I don't even listen to rap except for cats like Masta Ace and Cee-Lo Green. My rowdy days are over, you could say.

Out of Big Pun, Masta Ace, Crooked I, Saigon, Big L, Ludacris - someone from here would be my G.O.A.T. I don't even know.

Bamsyle, the title of the thread says "illest hiphop punchlines", not "best rapper of all time".


Immortal Technique is a good revolutionary rapper and great storyteller, but his punchlines are crude, uncouth, poorly structured and poorly thought out. Please don't mention his lines when we discuss great rap punchlines.

Mugu1, 

Once and for all, please stop speaking english wey pass you. Stick to your mother tongue.

Review your post again and correct yourself with reference to the following:

(1.) come to the conclusion

(2.) shenanigan[b]s[/b] (when refering to 'no amount of shenanigans', not the singular)

(3.) class of the enlighten[b]ed[/b]

(4.) ignorance in public (there is no the in that expression)

The people love Ribadu not because we believe everything he did was consitutionally correct, but because of what he represented.

Any buffoon should know that there are certain untouchables in this country, and one cannot expect Ribadu to go after them. They are beyond his jurisdiction. With the remit he was given, he performed admirably, to the point that "The fear of EFCC was the beginning of wisdom".

I thought Keyamo was a stand-up guy. He should tow the line of his elder brother Gani.

The loss of Ribadu brought about a loss of faith, both in the Nigerian people and in the International Community.

Chamo, very nice. . . . great improvement on last time.

A-40, I can see you have been busy with other things.

Sauron. . . . nice as usual


@ Judges,

If WorldBest drops, then I'll drop a fresh new verse to prevent any legal matters. Otherwise, I prefer not to waste my time.

Bamsyle, sharrap dia. . . . .


I grab mics and push niggas to the left. . .
so hard, their hearts end up on the right side of their chest /  - Canibus

Slit you from ear to ear/
If you survive, you could cover the scar with a beard/ - Canibus

I pinpoint an astroid in orbit/
and hurl niggas thousands of miles per hour towards it/ - Canibus

While you niggas is babbling/ my lyrics is travelling/
like a javelin/ to stab-you-in/ the abdomen/              - Canibus 

What kind of spit you want from me? Sparkling or Still? - Canibus

Eziachi, I never asked about abandoned property. You must be confusing me with LucaBrasi. Every man has the right to claim property that he bought with his own sweat. We have no problem with Igbos or any other tribe purchasing land in PH. All these arguments are to establish ownership so that if and when Nigeria breaks up, Igbos do not come and claim what is not theirs.

I agree that 60% of PH is owned by the Ikwerre's. From Boro Park up to Choba is even more than 60% sef. Please tell your friend Dede1 who would claim Igwe Ocha (Borokiri) itself as Igboland. I guess he will not stop until Ndigbo has access to the sea. If possible, he will claim Opobo as Igboland sef.

Anyway, that is between you and the Ikwerres. But do not use them as proxies to claim our lands as a lot of Biafran extremists like Dede1 often do.

Dede1, you are surely demented. You must be suffering post traumatic stress from the civil war. All your genocidal rants against the indigenes of "Town" prove that you are a lunatic.

You started by claiming that you used to live in upland PortHarcourt when Borokiri was a swamp. Who are you fooling? Old Port Harcourt was Borokiri, from Old GRA down to Ipuculu. Aggrey Road is the epicenter of old PH, infact, the first place to be built up. I wonder where you were living. Maybe you lived in Choba while it was still virgin bush.

If you do not call Igwe Ocha "white man's parlour", what do you call it? Don't even try that 'clear sky' or 'blue heaven' nonsense. Only someone who sees the water from afar would describe it as "clear sky". Those who live there would never call it that sort of name. I believe this is a revisionist theory, since the name Igwe Ocha clearly exposes that Igbo's only started referring to the place after the white man settled it. Ikwerres themselves know they have no claim over Town/Borokiri. Eziachi, have you ever seen an Ikwerre compound in Borokiri? Which people live there? It's only Igbo imperialists who keep pushing this nefarious claim. Infact, if Igbo's or Ikwerre's truly inhabited Town, where is your culture of fishing? Did it suddenly disappear?

What you call Igwe Ocha was originally called Ogbogbo and later refered to as Olomu-Ogbogbo when it was turned to a trading center where the Ikwerres came down to buy fish in exchange for other goods. According to Ijaw traditions, communities are also described by the activities that operate in them which meant that Ogbogbo (Port Hacourt ) was also refered to as Borokiri describing trading activities just like it is in Warri.

Don't worry, all we have to do is ask the British to produce the receipt to the land. At that point, all your imperialistic folklore disappears.

Here I am adopting a diplomatic position that the Ikwerre's and even Ogoni's own PH and an extremist like you wants to claim the whole shebang and drive out the locals. I hope you know that there are also Okrika extremists like you, such as Dr Abam who claim that Okrika owns the whole of PH, even up to Elelenwo.

Finally, Eziachi, how can you live in PH and claim that Ogoni's are Ijaws. Are you sure you are from PH? What do names like Eleme, Khana, GoKhana, Leton, Ledum and Saro-Wiwa have to do with Ijaw? Please provide me a single link which shows that Ogoni's are Ijaws. The name Ogoni (Igoni) alone means "foreigner" in Ijaw language. Ogoni migrated up the atlantic coast just 150 years ago. Opobo people gave them virgin bush between Opobo and Okrika and they live there till this day.

Ikwerre ninjas go riot o! Those militants better return him sharp sharp. You don't just abduct the de-facto leader of a people like that. May Amadioha strike down the militants before they cause civil war in Port Harcourt.

You see, any time facts come into play, the Igbo will dismiss it. They prefer to rely on folklore.

The land of the white man is not yours! We sold it to them.

let me spell it out to you: IT IS A FACT THAT THE BRITISH PAID OKRIKA TO BUY IGWE OCHA!

I have known this since I was a child.

There are many links I can provide if you wish, but you will always refuse to believe.

Isn't it funny that me, a PH indigene is here arguing with boys from Asa, Aba, Owerri and Onitsha as to who owns PH? You guys should should go and bring an Ikwerre man, a true indigene of PH to come and argue jor.

We the Okrikas and the Ikwerres know our boundaries. We need no outside interference please. I have stated the boundaries of PH. Anything to the North and North West of Boro Park is Ikwerre land. Anything to the South of Boro Park is Okrika land. Anything to the South-East of Rainbow is Okrika land. Everything to the East of Aba road otherwise is Ikwerre land. Bundu waterside belongs originally to the Ogoni. And there are one or two Kalabari and Egbenni settlements.

Eziachi:
@Ibime,

My family's property at Rex Lawson St Borokiri in Port Harcourt was still being occupied by an Ijaw family until we reached out of court agreement with them and got the property back with the help of Chief Melford Okilo ( Old Rivers State Governor 1979-1983), who was my father's school mate in the early 50s.  Issue of abandoned property will never die until every man and family get justice. There is no such thing as expired justice? Unless you knew what I don't know.

Eziachi, the issue of abandoned property is different to the issue of indigenous rights. My family also abandoned property in Asaba during the war. That does not mean that I should claim Asaba as my hometown.

Eziachi:
@Ibime,
In my last posting I tried to be fair to you regarding your self styled partitioner of PH because I knew in your past comments, you seem to be fair in your accessment of issues but you seems to have lost the plot a bit and busy digging a big hole for yourself.  If Ikwerres are not Igbos, what tribe are they? Why do they bear Igbo names and speak only Igbo language? We don't beg our brothers in Rivers/Delta/Cross River anymore to be Igbos as they tend to have decided after the war as their means of surviving Nigeria. Events has force them recently to think twice. When Odilli wanted to run for president, the likes of Edwin Clarke told him point blank that he should run under the Igbo quota for president, that he Odilli is Igboman and it's their turn, hence they chose clueless Jonathan when they settled for a VP position for SS.

Anioma people to had realise the folly of disowing their ancestory  too just recently, in fact one of them is now the new chairman of Ohaneze Ndigbo.
I don't know how old you are, may be you should ask your Igbo grandad what these town you mentioned above were called before OBASANJO/AYO IRIKIFE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT FRAUD OF 1978 (when they scattered Igbo towns all over the place and renamed many places to divide the Igbo nation) Before 1978, this was eaxctle what was obtained as the name of these PH towns:

Elelenwo was Elelenwa (keep an eye on my child)
Rumuomasi was then called Umuomasi (Descendants of Omasi)
Rumuobiakani was then called Umuobiaka-ani (Descendant of Obi Aka ani)
Rumuola was then called Umuola (Descendants of Ola (bangle)
Diobu  (Husband of Obu)
Rumuigbo  was then called Obi-Igbo (Decendants of Obi-Igbo- heart of Igboland)

All these towns all borrowed their names from their original ancestors, just as in many Igbo towns are named after their ancestors and the above towns and others are descedants of Igweocha or Igwenga, which was what Port Harcourt was called before the arrival of the white man. Go to Rivers state tourism minsitry and read the govt gazzettes for yourself and see this facts.

Even the tribalistic Nigerian politics shows its face in PH politics of 1979 politics for instance, where NPP dominated PH politics but Ijaw area like Borokiri was controlled by NPN.

I have lived with the Ikwerres, both in Mile 1 and Elelenwo. Never has it crossed my mind that they would ever identify themselves as Igbo. You say they speak Igbo, but I am sure that if two Ikwerre men speak here, you will not be able to follow the drift of their conversation, except for picking out a few words here and there. Their language is to Igbo what Spanish is to Portuguese.

Now, let me ask you a question - when did we start calling these places Umuola, Umuomasi etc? I can tell you that is a recent Igbolisation of PH which happened under regional Eastern Government. That is why the names were changed after 1967. Most of that place was bush before, interspersed with Ikwerre settlements. It is not the Ikwerre themselves who named these places, but the Igbo regional Government. They did not stop to ask what the locals call these places, they just put Igbo names here and there.

You have not been following my posts on here, otherwise you would respond to this argument I set forth:

PH started in Borokiri and then expanded into Ikwerre lands. There is a reason you call it Igwe Ocha (Land of the white man) - simply, it is not your land. If you guys actually lived in Igwe Ocha, you would not name it after the white man. What you call Igwe Ocha is what we Okrikas call Borokiri. You only named it Igwe Ocha after we sold it to the white man and they populated it.

Then, I put this link from Wikipedia:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Harcourt

Port Harcourt was founded in 1912 by the British in an area traditionally inhabited by the Ikwerre and the Ijaw. Igbo traders called it Igwe Ocha which in their native tongue means "land of the white man". The land which is actually the Okrika Ijaw fishing settlement called Borokiri was given to the British to settle for administrative purpose replacing Degema in the heart of Kalabari which had become too far and obscure. The Chief Yellow of Bakana ( Kalabari ) stood as a witness when the Amayanabo ( KING ) of Okrika handed over the land to the British. The initial purpose of the port was to export the coal which geologist Albert Ernest Kitson had discovered in Enugu. Port Harcourt today has expanded deeply into Ikwere settlements. It attracted many Igbo traders and laborers who settled there in its early years. Igbo manpower played a major role in the development of Port Harcourt and today many of Port Harcourt's residents are Igbo.


I put this from Wikipedia because my father told me the story when I was a child. My great grandfather, Chief John George who was the Kingmaker in Okrika at the time was involved in the transaction, and if you ask the Fiberesima family, they will show you which parts of PH had belonged to them. That is why I always laugh whenever Igbo's try to claim PH.

If you wish to claim the Ikwerre side of PH, that is between you and them. But we draw boundary from Isaac Boro Park, and anything to the east of Rainbow.

Now we can almost answer the posters question: What if the civil war was a success?

One of the answers is that the Igbo's would have stolen PH.

Dede1:
@Ibime

You are a bitter compound idiot. When I lived in Igwe-Ocha mbarama (PH), the area of Borokiri was a swamp (slump). Other then the area of Abonima(sp) Wharf which I could concede to Okirika, the rest of PH is Igboland (Ikwerre). Even the mightiest deity in PH is Igbo. If a calibrated fool of you caliber thought that the saga of abandoned property had accorded you any ownership of anything in PH, think twice because the end is in sight.

Then you must be 100 years old seeing as my father grew up in Aggrey Road. Even Eziachi who was alive in the 1960's grew up in Borokiri. If so, when did you live in Igwe Ocha? In the 1940's? lol. The name and architecture of roads such as Harold Wilson rd and Churchill rd in Borokiri and Town proves beyond doubt that Borokiri has existed since colonial times.

You are so stupid, you do not even know that PH started in Borokiri and then expanded into Ikwerre lands. There is a reason you call it Igwe Ocha (Land of the white man) - simply, it is not your land. If you guys actually lived in Igwe Ocha, you would not name it after the white man. The name Igwe Ocha alone should expose your nefarious claims to ownership. What you call Igwe Ocha is what we Okrikas call home. You only named it Igwe Ocha after we sold it to the white man and they populated it.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Harcourt

Port Harcourt was founded in 1912 by the British in an area traditionally inhabited by the Ikwerre and the Ijaw. Igbo traders called it Igwe Ocha which in their native tongue means "land of the white man". The land which is actually the Okrika Ijaw fishing settlement called Borokiri was given to the British to settle for administrative purpose replacing Degema in the heart of Kalabari which had become too far and obscure. The Chief Yellow of Bakana ( Kalabari ) stood as a witness when the Amayanabo ( KING ) of Okrika handed over the land to the British. The initial purpose of the port was to export the coal which geologist Albert Ernest Kitson had discovered in Enugu. Port Harcourt today has expanded deeply into Ikwere settlements. It attracted many Igbo traders and laborers who settled there in its early years. Igbo manpower played a major role in the development of Port Harcourt and today many of Port Harcourt's residents are Igbo.



So who is the indigene and who is the settler? Idiot!

You guys came there and started naming towns Umuola, Umuomasi and such, trying to stake claim to the land. Till today, the Ikwerre's still complain about your land grab. Your only claim to PH is that the Igbo-dominated Eastern Regional Government of pre-67 had carte-blanche to Igbolise the whole of PH. Thats why Ikwerres happily acquiesced to the name change of these places to Rumuola, Rumuomasi and so on after Rivers State was created.

As for the Ikwerre and other Igboid groups in Rivers State, I shall comment no further. Why not let them decide if they want to be part of Ndigbo or not? If it is their wish, no problem. If not, I don't know why you are having heart attack over it.

Just because you come to market in PH, does not mean it is your town. A word is enough for the wise.

Eziachi, thank you very much. Please tell your brother Dede1 to get his facts right. I also grew up in Borokiri, near Navy base.

I hope you know that Saro-Wiwa is not an Ijaw sha.

Dede1, or is it Quotasystem? You are a buffoon. After being soundly defeated when it comes to the facts, all you know to do is exchange verbal missiles. Idiot!

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=212856.msg3306135#msg3306135 date=1231172805]In Lagos for instance, history teaches you that white man arrived and just took over the land.  They never tell you that they had to fight for it with blood and property.  In the battle they lost one naval vessel and another one was sunk and they incurred fatalities with many British sailors dead and or injured.   If you go to the Oba's palace in Lagos there is a canon gun mounted in the courtyard.  This was the gun that belonged to the destroyed vessel and the Oba ordered it removed and taken to his palace as souvenir.[/quote]My friend sharrap dia  . . . . na only you get mouth?. . . . only one ship?. . . . please go and ask the British how many ships they lost in Niger Delta. 

WTF is Sauron talking about? Have you ever used any of your Nairaland lyrics in an audio? Different forums, same lyrics. For all I know, nobody on here has ever seen any of my battles on AHH. Have you never used the same line when battling against 2 different emcees in real life? WTF are you talking about? Those are my lyrics. I can use them whenever I want. The only rule is that I do not use them twice on Nairaland. If not for Muki's google search, this conversation isn't even happening.

How many of your previous ideas have you converted into lyrics on Nairaland?

It's not like I lifted whole verses from my AHH battles. I doubt you will find more than 4 lines that intersect between battles. I wouldn't even know the arrangement as I haven't even been on AHH in over a year to see how I arranged the verses.

How many Canibus radio freestyles have we heard on his albums? Countless.

What of Saigon?

How many Eminem punchlines has he used in different battles?

Can you perform the same verse twice to different sets of crowds?

Don't worry, I go write some fresh shit for you. No be the same brain?

Dede1:
As your comment pertaining to the Ogoni people, I shall leave it for the Ogoni indigenes to cross sword with you on that issue. According to one of your skewed claims, your empty slowpoke claimed that Izon people settled in Nigeria before Ndigbo. Did Ogoni people leap frog over the Izon to settle in Nigeria? Please get a grip on your irredeemable idiocy.

This idiot. It is better you learn about the local issues in River State before opening your mouth to spew bunkum. Even the Ogoni's acknowledge that they are originally from the upper-Volta region of Ghana. Only in your bush mind is that meant as a slight to the Ogoni people. When they landed in Niger-Delta, the Ibani people of Opobo gave them virgin bush inbetween Opobo and Okrika to settle in and named them Igoni (meaning foreigner). The British later bastardised the name as Ogoni, the same way they changed Okrika's name from Wakirike to Okrika. Look it's better you focus on Igbo issues, not Niger Delta issues cos you know nothing about the local interaction between all the Niger Delta tribes.

This is the first time in history that an emcee is accused of biting from himself.

No worry, I go use new lyrics next time. It's just a question of time-constraint.

My friend comot there. . . . you think I remember who I used some lyrics against and if I have even used them before?. . . . no make me vex, I don retire since. . . . if I vex now, you guys would not want to see the new lyrics I go unleash.

Muki, you no know say I don retire since? I retain copyright on all my lyrics jo!

They are all in my old rhymebook and I reserve the right to bring them out on any unsuspecting victim.


Anyway, here's your answer. . . .

http://www.africanhiphop.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=17212

Look at this idiot. My guy, proper use of English is beyond you, so stop trying to speak big grammar and dropping kpoa all over the place.

Your allegation of Izon being from Ghana is just stupid so I will not even answer it. The only migrants from Ghana to be found in the Niger-Delta are the Ogoni who settled here 150 years ago.

I asked you a simple question - does any Igbo man go home to PH for Christmas? And the answer is no.

Now you are trying to annexe the Ikwerres in order to strengthen your claim on PH. Why don't you go and claim Ahoada, Etche, Ndoni and all the other lands that lie further north of PH first? slowpoke!

Now, if you don't know, PH started at Isaac Boro Park, right near the port where the ships unload. From there it spread North to Oil Mill and South to Borokiri. If you stupid ass doesn't know, the whole of Nnamdi Azikiwe rd to Lagos Bus Stop and Aggrey Road to Borokiri is all Okrika land. Anything to the east of Rainbow is also Okrika land. The Amadi referred to is the Amadi village of Okrika near Mothercart, not the Amadi of the Ikwerre. Even if you forcefully annexed the Ikwerre's, half of Port Harcourt can never be yours.

Ikwerre people are not part of Ndigbo. Na by force? Thats like forcing the Itsekiri to join the Yoruba. You do not speak the same language anymore. At best they can be described as Igboid. They are as distinct from you as the Spanish are from the Italians and Portuguese and the Dutch are from the Germans.

This is what I was talking about earlier when I said Ndigbo is not democratic in it's dealings. If you can alienate me, a proud supporter of Biafra, then what chance do you have of winning over the Yoruba to your cause? You know you cannot break free of Nigeria without their support.



Now, please read this lesson from history and learn for yourself that under no circumstance will any Ikwerre man consider himself to be an Igbo man.


http://nationalpointonline.com/nponline/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,print,0&cntnt01articleid=627&cntnt01showtemplate=false&cntnt01returnid=15


According to my late father, politics actually started in Ikwerre in 1955 with the election of councilors into the then only council for Ikwerre/Etche Federated Council at Choba. But proper political awareness diffused into majority of Ikwerre people in 1964, when one Eluguru Onu (a Diobu based Ibo man), rose to contest for the only seat allotted to Ikwerre in the House of Representatives against a son of Ikwerre land (Barrister Nwobidike Nwonodi).

This attempt by an Ibo man to represent Ikwerre was viewed as an affront to the people of Ikwerre ethnic nationality. It therefore generated a lot of tension in the land as that challenge woke Ikwerre people up which made them to decide to pool their resources together to decimate the pugnacity exhibited by the said Mr. Onu.

**** Take note of the tone of the emboldened part. That alone should tell you that the Ikwerres consider it an outrage for Igbo's to claim them*****

The Ikwerre people succeeded at the end of the contest as Barr. Nwonodi emerged victorious. Before this period, political support or solidarity was more of a tribal thing than the popularity of the political party. No wonder every taxable adult in all the communities in Ikwerre land, contributed his widow’s might in cash and kind through a general levy to see the victory project through.


Now, of you realy want to learn about Ikwerre identity. I have provided a link for you. Just because people speak something similar to your language, that doesn't mean they are one of you. You can be as different as the English and the Americans or the Beron and the Hausa.

https://www.naijamall.com/newsdatabase_template_page.asp?cmd=commentdetail&commentid=218

http://www.ikwerreusa.com/achinewhu.pdf