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swiz123:
If these season has made you keep quite about Jorginho than this obsession is more than I thought.
Chelsea has been linked with many players and not one of them was a DM -- a position which you made your sheep believe needs immediate attention. Perhaps you know better than Tuchel and the club as a whole.

What are you talking about? Make sense for once.

At least I will manage FDJ over Jorginho who Tuchel thinks is the only DM available, like every other position where he is willing to chase players until £80m if need be.

If Tuchel pays for his questionable decisions, I will join you in castigating him, even when you blame him for blocking Havertz with a 33 year old Aubameyang as you surely will this season.

Meaning what, Tuchel is not my barometer of right and wrong as he has shown his cluelessness in this transfer market already.

But as for Jogginghoe, the lean, weak disaster should leave my club by any means possible

swiz123:
He can't fit in at Chelsea due to our style of play which isn't unconnected to the physicality of the league.
However, the argument was between Jorginho and Bousquet, and the later will obviously do better at Chelsea than the former...

I wake up everyday thanking God for my physique cos I can't imagine myself looking as Lin and weak as Jorginho.

when we had Fabregas, he compensated for his sluggishness with his precision passes which accounted for his many assists. Jorginho is an all round disaster whose presence does not only undermine, but also displaces Kante.

swiz123:
Hypocrite!
So you know all about nature but would rather die than acknowledge that Jorginho's lack body strength is not his fault. Same with his inability to run fast. Despite this, he has somewhere made a name for himself.

He should take his lack of strength, lack of pace, inability to keep the ball under the slightest press to another team. James has all these qualities in abundance.

monerozi5590:
FergieRaww, come and read this. This is the same Alonso you are saying is a better DM than Casemiro.

Alonso is a great player but as a second midfielder, not as primary DM. Alonso should be compared to Kroos not Casemiro.

2005 UCL when Milan were whitewashing Alonso before Didi Hamman came in at halftime is a prime example.

lordfalcao:
you talk from both sides of your mouth.

Some one used a nine robust dM to win the sextuple. No robust DM has done this.

Instead of giving busquet his credit, you cook up this one of your talks below..

League is the measure of consistency, not winning Kings Cup, Club world cup or Super Cup as a result of wining UCL. Same reason City execs are saying that they don't expect Pep to win UCL as it's based on luck. Try use your brain

dostr4:
Even wen we had rudiger nd chris they were a disaster in a back 4.

True, but they also had Jogginghoe and Alonso to accompany them

WhoDeyHause:
Chelsea's 1st verbal offer of €14m (£11.8m) for Aubameyang has been turned down by Barcelona, who will only accept above €20m (£16.9m)...

~ @albert_roge

Tuchel out!

Someone Arsenal paid £5m to leave their club 7 months ago

Tuchel must really hate Havertz sha to stoop this low

lordfalcao:
the same robust fernandiho achieved what in ucl ?

We are talking about consistency here, but as usual, you had to bring in low IQ talks to.talk about knockout football

Pep with Fernandinho achieved 99 and 100 points which he has never achieved with any other DM. That's the most consistent Pep has ever been in football.

And if you want to talk about UCL, Pep has only won UCL with Busquets, the master of the 8-2, 7-3, 5-0 and other similar cricket scorelines

popizaino:
I will keep saying this,capaldi does not know football. I mean anybody who knows football will not come here and use that stats to defend Jorginho's forward passes as against other DM. Jorginho forward passes are faux. I wish I could be blessed with a visual representation of what i mean by this and how it has become the trademark of jorginho stupid forward passes. What Jorginho does is to allows our opponents recover into their own half,then give his teammates who is slightly ahead of him the pass as oppose to finding his teammates on the run or in between our opponents.

You mean Jogginghoe is good at the 5 yard 'forward pass" when the opponent is already back in position

hensben:
Even pep have suffered from thin DM mostly in ucl, there is a reason he has two ucl from messi team only. I like Madrid style of football, an open play football but players are doing their role properly.

The fact Pep achieved his career high level of consistency using a robust DM like Fernandinho should give proponents of "you don't need robust DM" food for thought.

Peps most inconsistent spell was as manager of Bayern using Alonso as DM, and was characterised by several disgraces with cricket scorelines in the tough matches. Like you say, he suffered from thin DM in UCL, the Alonso years being the most prominent of those.

At Barca, Pep still called on a great DM/CM in Seydou Keita whenever things got physical and he still had Toure in the first year, had the best possession midfielder of all time in Xavi and teams were worried about Messi so much, they dared not cross the halfway line

Leave them to be thinking Chelsea should build a midfield of fairies without taking these facts into cognisance.

hensben:
Or probably turn into Kyle walker of man city. I think James has fat while walker muscle.

Whether fat or muscle, it would be difficult to maintain sprinting up that line and sprinting back in time throughout his career

seankafor:
time to move to Russia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQX3tMHwOvo

lol. Go process VISA now.

Don't be like this nigga though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLrlPs1lLgE

Amoto94:
There is more than one way to win in football this obsession with a particular brand of football is damaging. Academies are now set up to play a particular style which makes it difficult for some to play the game due to their physique.

There is only obsession with a Pep brand of football which if it fails (as it always does if the manager is not Pep) leads to complete breakdown of team structure.

Statistics will favour my school of thought given that robust DMs always win except for Pep teams. It's the most rational approach to team building, rather than building in weaknesses from the start.

dostr4:
Sorry when last did a robust dm win the league,
Even you and I know they are scarce atm. The mentioned players were conte players bar our academy boys. Even fabiniho cant win the league back 2 back

Robust DM always win league except Pep team. Even under Pep, their best wins with 99 points and 100 points came under a robust DM in Fernandinho, much better than the "non-robust" tally under Rodri.

Very few can be Pep, and Chelsea fans should stop trying to be a poor version of Pep. The "if it works for Pep, we should emulate it" theory never works in practice. You end up becoming a poor man's version like a Villarreal. That's what landed us with likes of Jogginghoe. It even took a robust DM like Fernandinho to improve Pep to a points tally he has never achieved before, which means even if you want to emulate Pep, robust DM is still optimal. And Rodri is not completely non robust. While he will always lose the foot races, he will always win the headers and physical duels, and has long legs to slide and stop a foot race from developing, meaning opportunity to harm City back line is halved just on his height and strength alone, which Jogginghoe doesn't possess.

monerozi5590:
Lol. Ibime and his subtle dig at James. Some people will not like this.

It's not a dig, it's a room for improvement. I've always been a James fan and was one of the main ones calling for him to be our first choice RB just from his Wigan loan spell. But he must improve his conditioning to be able to make recovery runs. Big muscles tire quicker on sprints.

It could just be that his body will always be too big, looking at his father and sister, and there is only so much you can work against nature, meaning he may have to convert to CB at some point in his career. At that position, he will still be very adept.

lordfalcao:
you don’t need a killer DM to play 3 at the back..

But 3 at the back is what we are using to protect our DM deficiencies..

These two statements are very much in line with each other except you have a low IQ

Jogginghoe is not a killer DM and 3 ATB is protecting his deficiencies

With a killer DM, you can move to 4 ATB with more confidence

dostr4:
Least u acknowledge CB is needed

They are chasing CB all over the place, and we always had CBs in Rudiger, Tomori, Chris. The outstanding issue for not playing back 4 was always lack of robust DM, a very slow LB (Alonso) and at-times, James inability to make recovery runs due to his big size.

When Everton signed Onana, first thing I noticed from his YouTube highlights is he is a risky player who dribbles/runs with the ball through the centre of midfield too much. I hate that in central midfielders except they have exceptional technique to not lose it like Iniesta and Kovacic. Same thing I hated about Ramires and Bakayoko.

It did not take two minutes for Onana to run with the ball through midfield and lose it yesterday for Aston Villas second goal, almost confirming my thoughts. Onana signing by Lampard seems like just buying another Doucoure when what he needs is a replacement for Delph who has left. A sitting DM, not a runner. He would still need to complete Idrissa Gueye signing to have the right midfield in place IMO.

FBS:
I agree with you on this.

Anyone with eyes can see it

dostr4:
Lets leave Dm first with the current defenders can we successfully play a back 4

With a partner for Koulibaly and a new DM, we are good to go.

lordfalcao:
lol..

Paredes you have always wanted as matic replacement no longer robust enough to play DM..

Gana that the coach didn’t find useful to his set up now pursued out for refusing to wear gay flag..

Psg has the characteristics of playing 4 at the back .

Two solid Cb, three solid attack,

But chose to play 3-4-3 with a robust DM..

Guy man, you know how to make up things..

Paredes is just another CM in a two. Not the main DM. Paredes as replacement for Matic with the back 3 formation of Conte is very suitable, as Singapore1 has explained to you, you don't need a killer DM for a back 3. Context has always eluded you.

Yes Gana is being pursued for not wearing gay flag. Defying the executives with a new manager in charge who has no allegiance to Gana is enough for him to be frozen out. Gana seriously improved PSGs robustness and helped them to UCL final after several years of failure. I will throw away Jogginghoe for a 32 year old Gana right now. I have always been a fan of Gueye even when he got relegated with Villa. You will be mad to say Gana has not been a big improvement to PSG whatever the politics going on now. Watch players and assess them individually, their strengths and weaknesses and what they can bring to a team, not following hype or ignoring context

Ibime:
I like when people see beyond the obvious. . . such as this piece on Idrissa Gueye who could be a good signing for someone. . .


http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2016/4/27/11516470/idrissa-gueye-aston-villa-transfer-rumors

lordfalcao:
but they have robust mildfielder

Paredes, gana,

You always have them in high regard.

Why are they selling??

Paredes is not robust and Gana got pursued out for refusing to wear gãy flag. Gana has been carrying heavy load in that team admirably, with the front 3 refusal to do work.

Singapore1:
exactly! Playing to the team's strength is the key after everything. I don't care the formation we use as long as it yield positive result. We can't afford to play 4 at the back this moment; we don't have the machinery.

You can also get rid of the teams weaknesses. Allowing a front 3 freedom who pay you back in goals is different from covering a DM who can't be trusted in one on one situations.

There is no part of Jogginghoes career that does not involve teams being rejigged to protect him from one on one situations, whether that is Italy and Sarri playing two robust CM/DMs in front of him or Tuchel playing back 3. The trade-off for altering a teams structure should be a specific strength he possesses like possession keeping and assists ala Pirlo. We have seen that his possession keeping means nothing to us because it always breaks down when the game is hot like under Sarri, and he does not have the long range vision of Pirlo, therefore replacement is better than cure.

Singapore1:
PSG are officially using back 3 this season

PSG using back 3 because the front 3 don't do any work, so they need to pack men at the final phase after various overloads up the pitch caused by the front 3 allowing runners through. It's insurance policy against Messi, Neymar and Mbappes laziness, but that front 3 will pay them back in goals for the defensive laziness. Our own back 3 is insurance policy against our DMs sluggishness.

lordfalcao:
champions League qualification

Europa League win was with for at the back.. going unbeaten ontop.

Napoli scored the best goal of Thier life time at the 4 at the back.

All of them has one catalyst present. JORGINHO..

Others things you mentioned are your usual lies..

Ranging from Napoli played two DM , to Italy played 2 DM in front of jorginho to Italy played packing the bus..

Bla bla bla, same old lie been recycled EVERYDAY.

So you now celebrate UCL qualification after being hammered and disgraced severally in the season?

Nobody cared about Jogginghoe until Tuchel minimised his weakness with the back 3.

Italy have failed to qualify for World Cup after packing community midfield ontop Jogginghoe to sneak through tournament football

Jogginghoe cannot operate in an expansive team. Anywhere bodies are not tightly packed together, and there is space, Jogginghoe is an utter liability. Know this and know peace.

lordfalcao:
All these talks that we can't play 4 at the back with jorginho are just sakamanje with no proofs..

Man has played all his life in both club and country in a back 4..

If not anything, this 5 at the back is what we can't play with jorginho..

We saw how things were playing back 4 with Jogginghoe

I bind any spirit that wants to take us back to 6-0 and 4-0 losses,or parking the bus like Italy to get to penalties, or playing two DMs Infront of DM like Napoli

Trojan8:
I went to cap Haaland. Chai

Nothing wrong with that. Most players captained Haaland so you won't lose ground

Meanwhile sanctions don't work

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/8/12/putinswar-sets-russian-economy-back-4-years-in-single-quarter

They should rename this thread to 2023 Nigerian election thread

afrodoc2:
Someone should put his life on hold to vote in an election to prove something to you?

Not only preposterous but also postposterous.

Haha. Joe Aribo is mad. See as him pack keeper for that goal.

This Sekou Mara for Southampton looks lively too

donstan18:
Martinelli.

Is this guy a midfielder or a winger? Or a left back?

I no understand the player.

The boy get too much energy. He plays with a mad ferociousness

Joezinho:
Good bye Naija...

USA be good... Thanks to the japa geng henchmen (afrodoc2, roland17, expert17, Nihilistjnr, ibime, raumdeuter and others for their encouragement)..

Goodluck bro. . . the journey just begun