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raumdeuter:
Upamecano is sitting on the bench, We need defenders who wont be found wanting in major finals

We dont need defenders whose main job is to be jumping in the crowd

You swore Konate was the one carrying Upamecano but Konate is equally looking shaky at Liverpool

swiz123:
That beer parlor analyst that typed that gibberish about Jorginho has given orgasm to shepherds and sheep's alike. Never have I seen someone put in so much effort to compose rubbish.

He is only parroting your views. Sarri is still looking for job in banking sector after this momentous curse placed upon him.

swiz123:
Sarri left us with two calamities in Kepa and Jorginho. Now we are stuck with finding a way to offload them.

The problem is, which benevolent club would be magnanimous enough to spare some paltry funds on those two players.

Sarri!!!! you shall remain jobless even in the banking sector.

donjazet:
Jorginho came from the Italian league where he dominated in his position, breaking some league records there and his own coach identifying him as the centerpiece of his entire tactical system.

One question bros. How many times did he make Serie A team.of the season.

The midfielder who bested him is a Barca flop

ixyi:
Oh gosh! Comparing Hojbjerg to Jorginho isn't an insult, rather your constant rant on how Jorginho is the only ray of sunshine that can befall our DM is an insult on our collective intelligence.
Not only do you gulp n believe so much PR materials, most times your epistle make it seem like you're a propaganda machine, and it's from these classical nonsense you dish out that your fellow Jorginho asslickers pick what they trumpet about.
We all know that football isn't arithmetic, and basic logic wouldn't hold to be true most times but there are some arguments that you guys make that would leave Chelsea fans in utter disbelief.

One of your fellow Jorginho compatriot was making a case of how Jorginho would have had so much assist if we had more clinical finishers. Let's agree this reasoning is very correct. Now, I want to ask you.
Don't you think Hojbjerg would have conceded fewer goals with the 3 walls of Paradis, CBs, and a master tactician like Tuchel¿ Noting that our style of play is very conservative.
Chelsea paraded Eduardo Mendy who is the best keeper in the world(truly earned on the pitch not by polling booth voting), CBs that are highly sought after, full backs that were unarguably amongst the best, and a manager that even ManU would kill to have now. Then there's that feeling our weaker opponents get when they play us because Chelsea is a big club, so we radiate dominance on the pitch.

These domineering effects were thanks to our CBs n FBs who would always carry Jorginho in is midfield duties, most time they'd bail out our attackers too.
Let's make it clear that Jorginho is just a passenger and most times just helps us to complete the 11 needed on the pitch.
J5's success can't be attributed to only his quality if that's what you choose to believe but pure Luck or God's Grace. He's just in the right team at the right time.

Sometimes I feel the guy has some kind of Jazz because whenever it's time to concentrate on replacing him, injury on other positions would happen or the positions we thought we've taken care of after buying would turnout to be flops.

All you know how to do is rant how Jorginho anchors our midfield, yen, yen, yen...
NB, I'm not saying that Hojbjerg is the best replacement for Jorginho but pls give that guy a break because he'd no doubt perform better than J5 under the same structure.
You talked about how Hojbjerg has been a failure all the way from Southampton to Toteham. Please imagine a weakling and back passer in both teams and tell us what and how Jorginho would make a difference.

All we're asking for is someone who can give us all these glories J5 provides and a little bit more, a proper DEFENSIVE midfielder.
Take a look keen look at our defence, from James, Chiwell, Rudiger, Silva, Azpi, Mendy... ...they would easily contest for shirts in the top 5 clubs in EPL.
Can the same be said about Jorginho¿ NO.
Even in Arsenal, his lungs won't be able to keep up, not to talk about Liverpool or Toteham.

We can even test the waters here. One fan of these clubs should represent his team and choose if they would gladly let Jorginho sit as DM for them.
We also have fans of Madrid, Barca, n Bayern here... Would they also love to have the balon d'Or nominee anchor their midfield¿

Please ehn, let this annoying and irritating talk of Jorginho being the reason why Chelsea FC conceded few goals end here today because it's already sound foolish.

Something I'll gladly agree with you is Jorginho has finally won us a game yesterday against Newcastle. This is how you win a game for your team, yes, not by being the assigned penalty taker.

This one loud

donjazet:
And who told you the manager doesn't trust him? Again I am still pointing out that jorginho has the 2nd most minutes of any player.

Because Kova and Kante have never been fit at the same time till now

donjazet:
Is it any surprise that we couldn't win all those fixtures easily?? Like we've done previously?
We beat Liverpool at their home last season with jorginho. We beat mancity away last season with jorginho.
The lille game jorginho didn't start, we were totally dominated in the middle with Renato Sanchez running the show. Meanwhile we've coasted to clear victories in all the game jorginho started.

Direct all shalaye to Tuchel. Your boy has been dropped. Reasonable people know the chance of winning Liverpool and Man City is low, what matters is who the manager trust to give him the best chance.

Na so dem dey rush us?

donjazet:
How has someone who has played the 2nd most minutes this season "lost his place"??
We have won the last 10 matches he played and our losses came in the 2 he didn't play.
Jorginho was an ever present when we won Liverpool TOTTENHAM 6× Mancity ATM etc.

Oga mi, this propaganda will not work

Your boy chop bench for all these since January, only to be wheeled out for lower table teams.

Liverpool
City
CWC
League Cup final
Lille

Balon fraud is only wheeled out for easy 3 pointers

Let's hear from Tuchel himself

donjazet:
The professor has won the last 10 consecutive matches with Chelsea. The ones we lost, he was mysteriously benched. I don't see Ibime making noise about him since again.

Who has stopped making noise?

Balon fraud has lost his first team shirt. He is only wheeled out for Norwich, Burnley and co. and sent back to the bench for the big games. Shameless Balon D'or that can't even keep his first team shirt.

hensben:
Where was Berbatov when he was 22?

They are different players so no need for comparison. Berbatov is strength and slow, Havertz is faster and does not use strength like Berbatov. The only similarity between them is height and playing for Leverkusen. Even their touch is different. Though Havertz has a good touch, Berbatov was one of those very unique players like Kanu and Ibra whose whole game was based around his touch. His touch was a different calibre

Capaldi:
6 big chances created is terrible for a DM? Mehn I need to stop coming here. Hogwash upon Hogwash daily.

It's not in keeping with the YouTube

nihilistjnr:
The Reason why I'm asking is that like popizaino said, some of those passes were made to offside players.

Official EPL stats say that Jorginho only created 6 big chances that season with Higuain and Hazard. 6 big chances in 37 matches is terrible. In 2019/2020, EPL also said that Jorginho created only 6 big chances as well.

So that's 12 big chances in 2 seasons if league football.

If you stitch a video together of all the big chances that Jorginho created in the league including offside balls, and add maybe cup football as well, then it might look as good as that video there

But when you consider that all of Jorginho's creative output in over 94 football matches, spread across 3 years and 2 seasons of football, can be distilled into 6 minutes, then maybe it's not as impressive.

Jorginho could only manage 6 minutes (including replays, intro, outro, and a couple of candid shots) of nice passes from 8460 minutes of football...it's not as impactful as you would have us believe

We know say all those YouTube na wash since. Na wetin dem dey use convert gullible people wey no sabi how YouTube highlights work

Na YouTube carry Bakayoko come Chelsea

timbros:
Fingers crossed.

This thing pure? This one wey Saudi Government or Royal family no dey involved

No forget say na Russian wreck Portsmouth. They thought they had their own Abramovic but the Oligarch been no pure

donjazet:
When the tout was at Southampton, he anchored his team and they turned out to be 3rd worst defense in the league, conceding almost 70 goals in the league alone.

You can direct such question to Oriol Romeu, their DM for that season..

Unfortunately for you, the only season Hojberg played DM for Southampton was 2019/20 and he immediately became a better DM than Jogginghoe with just one season of experience in that position

donjazet:
He came to Spurs, the Same thing. They keep drinking goals like kunu. This is a team that actually got to the UCL finals oo.
Immediately he came into spurs team. Their decline was rapid.

It's an insult to compare both.

You can lie all you want but Spurs had a better points total after Hojberg joined than the season before. They had already collapsed and got Poch sacked in the season before he arrived and lost all their stalwarts in Dembele, Wanyama, Erikson, Verthongen, Trippier and Aldeweireld, coupled with the momentous decline of Dele Alli and Danny Rose

The Spurs team of 2018 is as different to the team Hojberg met in 2020 as the Chelsea league Champions of 2010 were different to the team Hazard met in 2012

hensben:
You ought to know by now TT is a smart man and he handle situations very well for the interest of the club so you don’t expect him to come out and say Lukaku was not his signing. He had issue with psg board because of this so has learnt to handle any situation concerning the board or owner.

There is a way you say things that will classify whether you rubber-stamped the signing or not.

"It was a very easy decision, I relied on my feelings, the interviews I did and reports from the people I trust. I studied his personality from people that know him etc"

Before he was signed. . .

"He is the profile we are looking for, a real no9 who can hold up balls, create space for Timo, Kai, Pulisic etc and can fight physically with defenders, but I don't want to disrespect Inter by talking about him because he is still their player"

Man said his wishes for a typical target man, not a roaming forward. That's what he wanted, so all this talk of he ain't TT style, TT prefers a fluid front man is after the fact revisionism. If TT was opposed to target man style, with the power and trust he had in the summer, it would have been expressed strongly and the transfer would have been opposed. Infact TT pushed for this transfer, which goes beyond just agreeing with the board.

Exonerate1:
We were after kane and Halaand in the summer only to end up with Lukaku.

Getting your second choice does not mean the manager did not rubber-stamp the second choice. It is quite rare to get your first choice. Many factors are at play including finances, the players wishes and the selling club stance. TT has already told us severally that signing Lukaku was an easy decision for him. I tend to follow managers statements on signings because we are known to have board signings without manager buy-in.

timbros:
If this frame is a bit bigger, the center circle will show.

That's exactly the position I marked where Jorginho will be if he is in this picture.

False, I have expanded the frame for you. That bro is nowhere near the centre circle like Jorginho

timbros:
The difference in sizes is negligeble on the context of discussion here. It's not like the difference is in feet or meters.

Both of them played their passes in the same area of the pitch.

The difference is not negligible. The difference can be measured by 5 to 8 metres at the very minimum which makes a huge difference in getting the ball to drop in time. When taking freekicks, players will try to move the ball back just a matter of inches so they can get it to drop under the bar in time, you say 5 to 8 metres is negligible

timbros:
Valid point.

But what I'm trying to say is that Hojberg's pass was too deep that Kane had to stretch to connect it. The mere fact that Kane had to stretch shows that the pass is not that accurate (remember Kane is already on the move when the pass is made. If he was static, he wouldn't have connected that pass).

It was not too deep. It was perfect. Any "shallower" and the defender will head this ball

timbros:
Count the lines from penalty box to Hojberg's position and do the same for Jorginho let's see how much difference their distance is sef.

Don't let lawnmower line fool you. Lawnmower have different sizes. The centre-circle and 18 yard box should be your only reference point

timbros:
If Jorginho were to be in this frame, the red mark is where his pass started from. How far away is he from Hojberg?

Why make it look like Hojberg is too close to curve a chipped pass while Jorginho threw his pass from his own half?

The only argument you have here Ibime is, Hojberg is under pressure while Jorginho was very free to pick his pass. Nothing else.

I believe our brother Unlimited22 is into opthalmology and can help you see that Jorginho is almost in line with the centre-circle.

That place you highlighted is still maybe 8 yards from Jorginho and Hogberg is another 5 yards further

Skimpledawg:
Woke up to shouts of Happy birthday!

Man's not getting any younger no more

Happy Birthday Apostle

Jodera:
This is hilarious to say the least.
And yet we wonder why some people make some comments about some strikers lacking movement then they castigate them.


I wonder when dropping ball too into space is not as important as a player receiving that ball in space. What is the use of having space If an attacker can't exploit the space??

Does anyone need a strikers run or pointing to know that the highlighted is the space to drop this ball? I mean this line of argument is very silly

timbros:
Ibime you are making it look like Hojberg has too much limited space to throw in that pass.

In image 1, did you consider the space AFTER the frame? Look at where Kane finally connected with the ball in image 2.

And contrary to what you want us to believe, the farther the pass, the harder the accuracy. You can't tell me that an over the top long pass from the halfway line is easier than a chip in front of penalty box.

From where the defenders head is inches away from that ball, you can see he has very limited space to drop that without the defender reaching it.

The nearer the pass the more difficult it is to get it over a defence and down for the striker. The range Jorginho passed from is the most common range for that type of pass. The range Hojberg did it from is highly uncommon. You don't easily get enough velocity and lift to clear the defenders head at that range and enough space/time for gravity to bring it down for the striker without putting some backspin on that ball. Same reason we say some freekicks are too close to clear the wall and still bring it under the bar.

Jodera:
The difference between those passes is that Jorg enabled havertz to get in behind the defence while Kane was already getting in behind the defence which hojberg saw to make that pass. I believe you know there's a big difference there

There is no difference and it's actually quite a stupid line of reasoning. The only thing that matters is the space in which to drop the ball. A midfielder does not need a strikers run to know where to drop that ball, unless you are suggesting he is a single IQ midfielder, furthermore Havertz HAD started his run so you are just blowing hot air.

Exonerate1:
Lukaku was a board signing with time you guys will realize this. Transition merchant

We saw enough interviews and statements in the summer to know who chose what. Tuchel rubber-stamped Lukaku, all this talk is after the fact

nateevs:
For me, it's the price tag. Yes he can play elite football, and yes he's probably suffering from slumped confidence, but it's what happens when he's not scoring that matters to me.

For £100m, you buy elite-level dynamism, which sets the player apart the moment he's on the ball.

Elite-level dynamism is what you see in their tactical play, technical awareness, and as I always say, their technical ability on the ball. It's what makes them go to the right channel, left channel, midfield, and destroy opponents, bring their team mates into play and improve overall technical structure of the team, even when they are struggling in front of goal.

This elite-level dynamism, Lukaku lacks. So when he's not scoring, it is not good to watch.

Confidence is not just what you do in front of goal.

See the bolded you described? That's what he did in Inter. He didn't play as target man but went left, right, destroying defenders, creating assists. He literally won POTY because he created 11 assists last season. The below is a video of his assists and an article hailing him of the bolded

https://thefootballfaithful.com/romelu-lukakus-inter-milan-serie-a-assists-2020-21/

Jodera:
Lol, it's only trash because it doesn't align with your thoughts today. Hojberg pass is just an up through ball that's mostly triggered by strikers run. Kane was already making the run (seeing the space afforded) and hojberg (in sync) capitalized on it.

This is quite a foolish argument, as if Havertz wasn't making a run or as if any midfielder needs to see a run to know where to drop a through ball.

Havertz had started making his run ogbeni, and if Kane run was a trigger faster, that's because he knows what Hojberg will do having received numerous of those passes

hensben:
Like I said stat is deceiving. His game play is average and disrupt Tuchel’s tactics. Now we can see the board forced him on Tuchel to be starting. If not anything this crisis relived Tuchel of that burden. Lukaku lack football basics. Clutch players with technical abilities does it for me, not stat-padding and the team will be suffering and lacking tactical structure.

Tuchel signed Lukaku, end of, like you advised him to.

His unreliable touch has been known about since he started playing. It didn't stop anything. Apart from that, all you are seeing is lack of confidence. A nigga who shot himself to top 20 EPL all-time goalscorers by the age of 26 is not as clueless at striker work as some would have you believe. Nigga is just at his lowest confidence following that interview on the back of injury.

swiz123:
You are forming too many hypothesis which isn't surprising whenever you want to cover your favourites. The mofo should have went for a rebound when he saw that the defender has limited Havertz's option to attempting a shot.

At the time of the cutback run, the defender hadn't limited the option. I don't expect him to go running backpost where Schar has blocked any possible passing line to back post. That run is my favourite run as a striker, and one of the reason I won golden boot in my Uni playing days. There are many ways Havertz could get that ball to the cutback, simplest is running in a straighter line, not cutting the angle to Targett and using his right foot, not that Havertz choice is wrong because he also got his shot away so either way the team has achieved its goal. Swap Havertz for a right footed James and that cutback is coming. That was the correct run.

hensben:
Stat is deceiving and doesn’t tell it all. Ole saw this too and benched him. It’s not by stat padding against San Marino and Cyprus. Serial a is slow which suited his game.

Someone should please statpad for Chelsea. We can't be seeing Neil Maupay in goalscorers chart with 8 goals and none of our strikers there

Lukaku scored 27 goals in his first season at Manure. Name the last Chelsea striker to do that, you'll have to go further back than Diego Costa

Infact help me name the 2nd highest goalscorer at the last World Cup or the UEFA Nations league topscorer last season. No Cyrpus there.