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Android22:
So you went round and round just to subtly concede that dangerous biological pathogens can be weaponized and they are called biological weapons in that case?

I will refer you to my very post on this matter. You seem to have a problem with labs having pathogens. If you don't want to take drugs next time you are sick, we can all agree there is no need to study pathogens to produce treatments. That's all you have been arguing since, so let's end it there. You are not a microbiologist. Let them them do their work under the guidance of the BTRP, the EU and the WHO which are institutions the world has provided for our safety, and stop moonlighting as a microbiologist. There is a lab opposite my workplace housing these things, don't get ahead of yourself and make it what it's not. If US was doing illegal activity there, they would have shut it down since Ukraine became unstable and they won't have EU and WHO overseeing it. And you won't have Russian Microbiologist Professor of Moscow University calling the allegations bullshit.

Ibime:
Every pathogen can be weaponised, even your local chemist can be termed a chemical weapons factory if you are mischievous enough. There are labs all over the world and many labs are joint efforts between countries and research bodies etc.

Making the leap to weapons is food for stupid people. The Russians even said the Ukrainians will deploy it through "bats and other wildlife" to show they disrespect their own people's intelligence. Hehehe.

Android22:
Hunter don catch bushmeat.

Mad man of Obi Akpor. You don finally accept say dangerous biological pathogens are biological weapons?

NSPPD.

I want buy na, since you claim they have $5bln worth of weapons, the thing must have a price on an open market somewhere. Abeg how much for 1 vial of anthrax?

Android22:
I come with receipts.

https://twitter.com/NickFondacaro/status/1501762048677625866?t=20l4zo6QYGq-bXLO6vn42A&s=19

The US made it clear that destroying materials worth this chum change is better than gifting the freaking Talibans $85b worth of war paraphernalia Ibime.

I don grab you for brooks.

$15m?

Now you are coming back to the real world.

I thought you just said they stockpiled $5bln worth of biological weapons in Ukraine.

Typical Conspiracy olodo, pointing at billions at reason for Conspiracy.

The $15m is more like it cos they built each lab for under $2m. You have been shouting that they have been spending billions on biological weapons, that it cannot be for mere lab research.

This is what you spend on a lab, not a weapons programme. It is all published on their website. Their whole worldwide operations budget per year is under $200m both home and abroad. Olodo shouting $5bln weapons conspiracy in Ukraine alone.

Android22:
You mean they will rather destroy bioresearch materials they have been storing using upward of 5 billion dollars

Android22:
Did they not say here that they have been helping to store dangerous biological pathogens since the dissolution of the old soviet union?

Did Jennifer Griffin not say the agreement was signed 2005? So can you multiply how much US gives Ukraine per year by 17 to get a rough estimate?

Let me expose how slow you are a little further. Let us say the Ukraine figure is not up to $5b, so the US will destroy something not even up to $5b rather than let Russia get it,
Diarisgodooooh.

You are talking rubbish. Go and find out the yearly budget for their worldwide operations and come back and tell me how much they spend in Ukraine. Typical conspiracist mindset

Also tell me which market I can buy Biological weapons and how much do they price it. Let's be autistic.

Android22:
Ibime, they won't constitute an illegal act because of Russia? You mean they will rather destroy bioresearch materials they have been storing using upward of 5 billion dollars because of the same Russia but will let the Talibans get $85 billion of war machinery for free?

You keep repeating your lies along your conspiracy lines of reason. Please give us the yearly budget of the BTRP, then tell us how much they spent in Ukraine specifically out of the 30 countries they operate in. You are quoting rubbish

Typical Conspiracy olodo, mentioning billions upandan as basis for his belief as most conspiracist do.

The only figure you should worry about is the N20k debt you ran away from

Android22:
But the US left $85B worth of aircrafts, fighter jets, ammunition, Armor tanks in Afghanistan which was immediately confiscated by the Taliban. But I digress.

Biological Weapons are illegal. Having aircrafts is not. Taliban overrun of Afghanistan was swift, while US has known Ukraine is at risk of invasion since 2014, they won't constitute an illegal act that will be immediately discovered by the Russians, and also bring in the EU and WHO to provide oversight on the illegal act.

These are subtle clues you leave right-thinking people to draw the correct conclusion, but not someone with autism who can't put two and two together.

Unlimited22:
Chief your first statement is out of order. Autism shouldn't be used as an insult boss.

Couldn't care who that offends, when you are unable to bring in new information that invalidates your fixed point of argument and still hammer on the same point, that is autism. When your whole point has been that US denied existence of the labs and you found they did not. Then argue that the fact they want the pathogens destroyed is evidence of weapons, then find out WHO is involved in the project and also wants the pathogens destroyed. And you still insists it's weapons, then you are autistic. Anyone who knows Elruditor will know his autistic traits of argument.

Android22:
The same schizo was just arguing that the US was not stupid to leave anything like that in a region that had looming invasion.

More autism. I said US will not leave biological weapons in an unstable country at risk of invasion, not pathogens which are routinely studied in many labs around the world.

You clearly don't know the difference between biological research and weaponisation. According to your obtuse logic, every lab containing pathogens in the world is creating weapons. Stick to what you know Elruditor.

princeeze1:
Sorry, they are already working on that. In foreign relations between great nations, sanctions are always tit for tat. Western foreign cooperations have more to lose, as for future investments, I believe they both intend to diversify from one another, because Russia likewise the west will never count on the other.

Like I said bri, Russia can't afford that

https://www.nairaland.com/7026803/potanin-putin-dont-take-us

Android22:
And those same labs are in Russia. And those same pathogens are already in Russia - according to you, remember? So explain (without abusive words) why Russia has to be prevented from getting hold of the same pathogens they already have?

You are autistic. Point where I said every lab studies the same pathogens. Firstly, it is soldiers advancing on the labs, not fücking Einstein. That alone is enough reason to destroy the pathogens which are highly controlled substances. Secondly, to prevent propaganda which their own microbiologists have debunked, thirdly to preserve intellectual property which can be misused for nefarious activities, and fourthly to prevent a false flag attack. Stick to what you know and stop moonlighting as a conspiracy microbiologist.

Android22:
WHO said, EU said. All are more credit worthy than the secretary of state on political affairs in the US? Same woman with a track record in Ukraine?.

You are autistic. WHO said exactly the same thing Nuland said, those pathogens must be destroyed and not fall into Russian hands, so along your line of reasoning, WHO who were also involved in the labs must have been developing biological weapons with the Ukrainians.

Your whole argument boils to one simple fact, labs contain pathogens. It's how diseases are studied and how your medicines are created.

Android22:
[s]You are not making any sense today, schizo. So a Russian biologist said Putin was lying?

Abeg, anybody wey no get mental problems should tell me where I mentioned Putin? Or Ukraine spreading Coronavirus to Russia?

I am quoting Victoria Nuland for goodness sake. An American lady and she is the one that testified under oath that whatever biological facility in Ukraine should be prevented from getting into the hands of the Russian forces. That is what she said.

You have now implied that Nuland does not know what she is talking about under oath. But some "Russian" biologist knows better. And I am the one with mental imbalance?

This part always gets me: how the US already had that same facility in Russia but somehow you are online defending how that same thing in Russia should be prevented from getting into the hands of Russian forces. Buahahahaha [/s]

You've been repeating your foolish line of reasoning since yesterday. Who will want their research to fall into hands of a hostile state who could use it for nefarious activities or propaganda? Already they are using for propaganda for eediots like you, which their own scientists are debunking. Stick to your level of expertise and stop making scenarios in your head why scientists won't want highly controlled materials in their lab to fall into hands of soldiers.

WHO said they worked with the Labs and asked Ukraine to destroy all pathogens before the Russians get there. I guess WHO a United Nations Agency were developing weapons for Ukraine. When you have a mental imbalance, you will ignore all evidence and focus on your one element of conspiracy despite all evidence to contrary. Keep your mental illness to yourself and don't quote me again.

Android22:
There is a reason you have to write this long windy epistle filled with nonsense and insulting words. Everyone knows you'll literally make up stuff for ego sake.

So pray tell, what does dangerous biological pathogen mean? And don't forget, if it is not a "weapon" why is Nuland trying to make sure Russian forces are prevented from taking possession of it?

If they are trying to reduce threats why not simply incinerate the pathogens? Why spend billions helping Ukraine "store" them?

Notice I am ignoring all the versions of your middle and last name that you filled your post with as well as the useless deflection on EU/WHO brebrebre.

Ain't nobody got time for your fictional writing. Just use plain words to respond. I would not suddenly inherit your mental illness just because you wish it on me ma niggur.

Keep your conspiracy drinking mental illness to yourself and don't quote me on any matter again, as I advised you before. It would take the most stupid or mentally imbalanced individual to buy the lie that Ukraine is trying to spread Coronavirus to Russia via animals, as if it won't also infect Ukraine in a matter of days. The Russians aren't even trying at this stage, just appealing to the stupidity of people like you. Kindly avoid me. A debtor should not speak.

Xiaohei:
So all the Russian soldiers, tanks in Ukraine are toy soldiers, toy tanks? Lol! Some Nigerians sha

They are not in the Cities. They are only sending missiles in.

Android22:
lol. Nuland was asked if Ukraine had chemical and biological weapons.

What should her answer have been? A simple 'no'. Then she could have gone on to explain how what they had in collaboration with the US was all that good stuff you tried to peddle.

Instead, she posits that Russian forces have to be prevented from laying hold of the research materials in Ukraine.

You tried to claim "anything could be weaponized" which is your version of saying whatever those materials are, may not be intentionally harmful.

When I point out that "fact-checkers", Jen Psaki etc denied the existence of the labs, you reverted to it was never hidden and how similar lab was in Russia.

The problem is you are stüpid and you think you are smart.

US and Psaki said they don't own or operate it, and that stands true. It is written on the US Embassy website in black and white that it is owned and executed by Ukraine.

You wrongly interpreted that as "denying it's existence" and went down your conspiratorial rabbit hole when all their involvement in helping to set up and secure the labs are published everywhere.

Android22:
Then I ask you why Russian forces should be prevented from laying hold of something they already have in their country and you start throwing labels around.

See their own link and take note of the time 1 min 9 seconds. 1 min 9 seconds-1 min 20 seconds. Ignore how defensive this was even 2 years ago and focus on the key words "store dangerous biological pathogens..." that is what they themselves say they use such facilities for.

You further compound your stüpidity by picking up a YouTube video that they willingly published on how they help countries "store dangerous biological pathogens..." and equate it to weapons. Something they do for 336 labs in 30 countries, published in full view of the world.

Doofus, the name of the agency is the Biological Threat Reduction Program. Do you think they are helping countries study flowers?

There is no country in the civilized world that does not have labs where Pathogens like Cholera, Anthrax, etc are being studied.

But give a stupid nigga a little information that nobody is even hiding, and he suddenly becomes a lab scientist/conspiracy theorist.

The Director literally said on Feb 25th, over two weeks ago that the Russians should be careful not to knockout power systems so they don't release pathogens, a fool with a little information is talking about weapons.

So Russia just took something that is in the public domain, repackaged it for stupid people and let an eediot like you run with it

And guess what, those labs also had oversight from the EU and WHO. So I guess EU and WHO were helping US setup Biological Weapons factory in Ukraine?

The reaction of any right-thinking person would be "it's a lab, there are pathogens in it". Exactly what I said. . . but a conspiracy filled doofus like yourself started with "US denied it's existence", then start to build your foolish theories from there.

Last time you were on Nairaland as Elruditor, you were also pigheadedly arguing about Wuhan labs. A debtor should not speak.

Android22:
When cornered, use labels or insult your way out.

You cornered yourself with conspiratorial rubbish about US denying existence of labs when they have published their involvement in the labs for years and spoke about the lab just two weeks ago.

You were cornered then, but chose to indulge your mental illness and conspiracy mindset with foolish conspiracy whataboutism.

Elruditor, go and pay your debt.

Android22:
I agree with the highlighted part. Meanwhile, imagine if the research lab was not producing possibly weaponized pathogens, the US will have no reason to deny its existence, right?

posty56:
nairaland Russia zombies will start to shout propaganda , bunch of clowns thinking shouting propaganda makes them sounds learned,in reality they're just letting their emotions cloud their sense,it is obvious Russia army is overhyped ,NATO is just avoiding nuclear bomb conflict if not they would have used this opportunity to being the fight at Russia's doorstep, Ukraine sef they Bleep up their guerrila warfare is weak if not Russia army would have smoked for very long time,they should learn from Vietnam and Taliban.

Ukraine Guerilla warfare is not weak. They are waiting for urban street battles where missiles and such won't matter but man to man shooting holds sway.

Russia are yet to send troops into any City, they only bomb Cities from far. Any army will avoid going into a City against such a motivated opponent whose whole strategy depends on Urban warfare.

The only City Russia need to go into is Kiev. They will not risk street fighting in any other. If they take the seat of Government in Kiev, then Ukraine has to come to the table and accept their terms

Android22:
So Nuland is worried that the same facility already in Russia should be prevented from getting into the hand of Russian forces?

I have given you all the information needed and you still continue with your conspiracy filled Trumpian world view. Your wahala.

Android22:
So why did the US government immediately go into overdrive as soon as Nuland made this admission, denying any form of this research lab being spoken about and even called it Russian propaganda?

They denied they owned or operated the lab, and that is correct, they don't own or operate the lab, they support it in terms of safety, best practice, upgrade, decommissioning etc as they do with hundreds of labs across the world which are owned and operated by the native Govts including in Russia. Govt know citizens are generally dumb and will keep it simple than explaining too much X and Y especially where propaganda appeals to the simple minded. BTRP work is not hidden. If you simply Google BTRP, you can watch their videos in various countries. They also work in Russia. Conspiratorial minded citizens should stop playing Inspector Clouseau and let professional agencies do their work rather than taking surface knowledge and drawing conclusions.

Android22:
Here:

I say so because Nuland fessed up to the labs and said America was working with the Ukrainians "on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach". Verbatim.

Nuland didn't fess up anything. It's been on USA Embassy website that they have jointly worked with Ukraine in setting up these labs for eons

https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/sections-offices/defense-threat-reduction-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/

USA is perfectly allowed to support Ukraine scientists to study pathogens as they do all over the world. They partner with 30 countries in lab research. Let me even shock you, they have joint projects with Russia itself. They said before the war that they have joint labs there and Russia should move carefully so as not to leak any pathogens. Any country would not want a pathogen to fall into the hands of enemies who could mass produce it for nefarious activities or use it for propaganda as they are doing now. It does not mean they were producing weapons.

Let lab scientists be lab scientists. Millions of them are handling harmful substances and pathogens on a daily, it does not make them terrorists.

Where your logic fails is Ukraine or any other country does not need USA to produce biological or chemical weapons. If any country is wicked enough, it can take common anthrax, mass produce it and deliver it to its neighbours, even Nigeria can do that. You don't need US expertise for that.

Android22:
So Nuland lied to Rubio, got it.

Nope, where did you infer that

Android22:
I agree with the highlighted part. Meanwhile, imagine if the research lab was not producing possibly weaponized pathogens, the US will have no reason to deny its existence, right?

Nope, USA is not stupid enough to keep such things in the hand of an unstable country that has been at risk of imminent invasion since 2014. If the Russians found anything incriminating, they will analyse and tell us exactly what it is, not their batshit story.

Android22:
If what you are making in the lab can be weaponized, that lab is producing weapons.

Every pathogen can be weaponised, even your local chemist can be termed a chemical weapons factory if you are mischievous enough. There are labs all over the world and many labs are joint efforts between countries and research bodies etc.

Making the leap to weapons is food for stupid people. The Russians even said the Ukrainians will deploy it through "bats and other wildlife" to show they disrespect their own people's intelligence. Hehehe.

Roland17:
Boss, help me ask them the following questions, at least these ones no be "demsay! demsay!!" because e dey happen on the daily for there.

Are there CHINESE restaurants that turn back NIGERIANS in NIGERIA?

What are the working conditions of NIGERIANS employed in CHINESE owned companies in NIGERIA in Comparison to AMERICAN companies?

What is the quality of the roads/ bridges and other associated infrastructure built by the CHINESE in NIGERIA

We have gone from Russia that can not even match the GDP of Texas worth more the entire USA to now CHINA (A comparable debate than the former I should add)!

MAKE DEM LEAVE AMERICA AND START FROM HOME! I AM TIRED OF THIS HYPOSCRISY!

Last year, Nigerian residents in Guangzhou were interred and their passports seized despite Covid restrictions being lifted. The maltreatment caused a big brouhaha.

http://saharareporters.com/2020/04/11/covid-19-nigerian-diplomat-confronts-chinese-officials-harassing-and-maltreating


A country that will interr millions of its own citizens (Uighurs) in internment camps in 2022 is who we think will treat us better. This is 2022 for godssake, not 1939.

As you said, they come to your country and institute their own apartheid, Chinese only restaurants etc, treat local workers like dirt. Show me the behaviour of your citizens, and I will know how your country will treat others if they have carte-blanche.

Havertz said their belt and braces is working. Pray tell, who is supplying the labour and materials for the projects. You borrowed from them to provide them employment and buy their raw materials, hardly any of that money providing a Keynesian stimulus for the local economy as infrastructure projects are supposed to. The wealth is shipped back to China and you are left with an infrastructure you still need their expertise to maintain and which they own if you don't pay up.

Yet China is deemed a saviour for saving us from our own leaders corruption. If our leaders are not corrupt, why can't they take loans and execute the same project with local staff, expertise and raw materials. Yankee/IMF will give you loan, they don't care about your internal mismanagement. They even write off the loan under OBJ, you have gone and borrowed even more than before and blaming them for your leaders corruption. Meanwhile nearly 200 countries are borrowing from IMF and many are using it judiciously.

Singapore1:
America didn't colonise because the slave trade had ended by the time they became a superpower.

Nope. You didn't need to be THE Superpower to take a colony. America was already stronger than Belgium, Spain, Portugal and arguably France when they were seizing colonies. Yankee had already beaten Britain and Spain in War since early 18 something. It was simply not America's policy to pursue colonialism.

A good example is Liberia, when some Americans wanted to settle ex-slaves, they could not do it directly through the US Govt but formed the American Colonisation Society to colonise Liberia. And even at that, Liberia got its independence from the ACS in 1862

Singapore1:
eerm about racism, the whites have probably done worse. If anything, the Chinese learn the word "monkey" from the whites. Also, there is no way you compare the AD and BC eras to this era.

You don't call people that enslaved you "benevolent". I don't think you would blame an average Nigerian for being neutral in this whole RussianWesternWar; the Russian has relatively done nothing wrong on African soil. It is with the western world that we have this bitter history.

Among all the last superpowers you mentioned, none actually became an enslaver in Africa, except maybe the Romans through North Africa.

There is nothing like benevolence in geopolitics, reason you see American going to negotiate with Venezuela despite calling the man a criminal, i mean i respect that, America have to do what is best for Americans.

The reason you don't compare AD to BC is because they changed the game

I mentioned Ottoman and Japanese empires. These are empires that ran till 1918 in the case of Ottoman and 1945 in the case of Japanese. No amount of genocide or slavery was beyond them. Russian internal slavery (serfdom) ended in the early 1900s

The only reason we consider these things "slavery, genocide" foreign today is literally because they changed the game within the last 100 years. No other empire questioned its morality nor fought against itself to make these things look abnormal today.

Arabs did enslave Africans by the way and the practice continues in Mauritania till date. If any other empire didn't enslave Africa, it's because them no get leg to waka there but as far as creating slaves from where they touched, that was normal. Slavery, invasion, genocide, going to war just to land grab was a normal way of life between countries till America changed the game. Take it or leave it

Singapore1:
people often mix countries internal policy and geopolitics together, they are two different thing. It's like asking if you'd rather be a cub or a fawn in the jungle.

as a person, i'd rather live in USA than in China or Russia. but as a country (Nigeria), i'd rather do business with China than America.
The so called democracy has been tested in these covid with Canadian government closing people's bank account for protesting

China is only doing decent business because they are trying to steal market share and don't have leverage.

As a man's heart is, so is he. A China man that will spit on you in Kenya and call you monkey, a country made of such citizens will wipe you out if they are unanswerable to anyone. If China had absolute carte blanche, they would easily decamp and chase African countries off their land in their millions, as they do their own people in their farming revolutions. You only know a man when he has absolute power. Also the attitude of the citizens reflect in Govt policy because citizens make up Government so one can't expect anything reasonable from a Govt whose vast majority of citizens consider you subhuman. Only lack of absolute power is making them try to curry favour on a geopolitical level.

At this moment in history, we are witnessing the most benevolent superpower the World has ever seen. Go and check the history of genocide of previous superpowers from Greece to Rome to Persia to Ghenghis Khan to Ottoman to Spanish empire to British empire, Japanese empire in the Pacific. All superpowers are hated, even the most benign one which is what we have today so it's no surprise that people will be opposed to anything Yankee, even in favour of Russia and China where black man face no fit

Let me also add that Yankee is the first Superpower not to colonise anyone. Their calling card is trade and economic dominance. Yankee never believed in Colonialism having been a colony themselves and fought war of Independence against the British. When Yankee gained Superpower status, they forced the Europeans to give up their colonies, such was their hatred of direct rule, and long before Europeans gave up Africa, Yankee supported every war for Independence against Spain in Latin America. Of course, they indirectly colonise countries through economics but that is different from direct rule. They introduced the League of Nations, human rights and acceptable codes of conduct during warfare. and they are the only Superpower that fought civil war against itself to end slavery, with Britain also notable for outlawing slavery on the seas and acting as enforcer to chase the Portuguese/Spanish ships dealing slaves. No Superpower has ever done that, nor questioned its own morality and actions in the prosecution of war, slavery, genocide or human rights.

kingBolton:
EXCLUSIVE: Roman Abramovich gives the green light for Chelsea sale to go ahead. Deadline for bids to be extended to the end of next week. #cfc

Here comes some nitwit American owner who simultaneously owns Charlotte bobcats or New York nets claiming he's been a football fan since the age of 4 and is looking forward to growing the "franchise"

Havertz10:
watch the video, Marco Rubio was questioning her

The video says Biological research, not WEAPONS

Havertz10:
nearly everything you stated is done by Americans, you are predisposed to western cultures with movies and all, you can't think properly

Let me give you a fine example
when we talk about American propaganda, people think that it's a joke, i'm sure that you have noticed the way American government officials
have been dismissing claims about biological
labs in Ukraine, this is coming after an American government official confessed under oat cause it's illegal to lie, you either distort the truth or if its going to hurt American reputation keep the conversation for closed sessions


Well her name is Victoria Nuland, she was among the planners that orchestrated the fake revolution that was actually a coup against a pro Russian government in Ukraine to forward western agenda, she confirmed that American government has biological research laps in Ukraine that it's paramount that such research doesn't fall into the hands of Russians

Video is here
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesnownews.com/world/they-called-it-a-conspiracy-theory-but-united-states-just-acknowledged-existence-of-bio-labs-in-ukraine-article-90097467/amp

Freedom, human rights and democracy uno


Watch western propaganda in action

New York times, and all western sources are denying it

BBC said that they investigated and it's not true

WHO, a supposed world organization self said the lab wasn't for weaponized research

Even Google, makes it hard to find this information

What sort of news is this?

First I read biological lab research couple of days ago

By this morning, someone sent me a WhatsApp calling it biological weapons research. I was like when did Biological research turn into Biological WEAPONS research

Please review your news source, even the website looks dodgy and the reporting unprofessional

Ibunkun1:
Oh wow! make everybody no go kpai

Now I get the gist

How he escaped prison is a mystery cos he was drunk driving and crashed into a wall. E be like say Spanish Judges dey take bribe

Half of the £1.5bln we owe Roman is due to his own bad transfer decisions. As he decides to sign Crespo, Mutu, Veron, Shevchenko, Torres, Havertz, David Luiz etc, he loans the club money to make the purchases. All the above are his particular signings, or those advised him by Pini Zahavi in the early days.