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donjazet:
Is rodri important to Guardiola or not. No need for the long talk. I've told you that every single player on this planet has various weaknesses, it's about being able to use your strengths better to overshadow the weaknesses and your other teammates complementing you.

You've called rodri an "escort". Is it not that same escort that is a mainstay of a powerful Guardiola team? Is rodri not an essential piece of Guardiola team? Why do you think Guardiola cherished jorginho sooo badly?

If guardiola had his way, jorginho would be manning his midfield today to perfect execution.

If you bring Busquet to Man City now, he will no longer be an escort but a mainstay of the Pep team. Even a Cole Palmer or another youth player will be hailed.

An escort is simply someone who can't keep up with counterattacks.

Not everyone can be lucky to play for Pep. I judge players on their attributes, not because they play for Pep.

Before Rodri, Man City was on 99, 98 points back to back. After Rodri, they lost the league title, and couldn't 90 points. That's a downgrade.

The team made the man, the man didn't make the team. He even took them backward. You just felate any player in Pep team as Worlds best. If Bakayoko go there, they will still win and you will still hail him. Afterall Pep was the first manager in England to show interest in Bakayoko. Some of us watch football for what it is, you watch it for the celebrity of who Pep picks. Rodri is a downgrade, simple.

donjazet:
Always quick to post passing record as if it's not the jorginho that was regarded as a pass master..

Passing stats is not taken in isolation.

Bear in mind my two criteria - passing plus pace.

Me posting passing stats is to disabuse your mind of Hojberg as a rugged tout, and disabuse your mind of Jorginho fulfilling a passing function under Tuchel which you wrongly assumed.

So long as Hojberg has pace and the physical aspect of the game, his passing stats is only shown to burgeon him as a compete midfielder, unlike those with passing stats that get bullied when game becomes fast or physical.

When we gave Jorginho carte-blanche to control our passing game under Sarri, we noticed a terrible flaw that he is Xavi against teams who sit back but turns to Bakayoko against teams that press him. We started getting our face rubbed on ground in 4-0 and 6-0 scorelines with his passing disappearing under the slightest press, that's why it meant little to us.

donjazet:
Isn't it funny that the man that top the stats Ibime keeps pulling out is the same one he has been rubbishing all these while.
Ibime has always derided rodri but now that rodri is excelling for Guardiola the exact same way jorginho would also excel for Guardiola, he can't stop posting rodri's stat.

I am responsible for what I type, not your ignorant interpretation. My criticism of Rodri has always been about his inability to deal with the counterattack, same with Busquet. Even a dog knows Rodri is a high possession player who will top passing stats. I did not know one would be discussing football here, not knowing canopy people are interpreting it out of the abundance of their ignorance.

I bet Hojberg position in the passing charts shock you sha. I don't rate touts. Technical must be there, same as physical.

donjazet:
These are simply your own words.
Because you hate this player, you have let the few times you saw the described scenario happen make you believe that is the only essence of the player.

Myself and the larger Chelsea fan base and other top coaches believe that jorginho is an excellent midfielder that is rarely dispossessed and holds his own very well.

Jorginho does superbly under pressure 8\10 of the times.

If he wasn't doing this effectively or was error prone as you claim. All his coaches would bench him. He's not even stayed that long in the club.
He would be benched if he wasn't trusted to Carry out his role.

Go and check West Brom, Arsenal, Villa game in last month of last season.

A not easily dispossessed player who cost goals or dangerous situations frequently.

Last game against Brighton he dashed them ball in his 20 min cameo appearance and Rudiger saved him

Do you know how to spot when a midfielder is hiding on the pitch? I doubt it, from the way you've been giving us Sarri era analysis. Those who know what a midfielder should be doing know exactly when Jogginghoe is hiding. There will be at least 15 games a season when he does that, that's why we told you he can't win you league. You only see the ball in the easier games Jorginho feels comfortable to make the angle for the pass. Those who watch midfield intensely will tell you how uncomfortable he is with players on him and how he hides to avoid it.

When I noticed a flaw in Bakayokos technique that guaranteed he would be unsafe if given the ball in deeper areas, I warned not to sign him, that that flaw makes him hide in the midfield. There are things we look for, angles we expect a midfielder to make, balls we expect him to call for. Positions we expect him to remove himself from such as standing behind opposition players when his teammates have the ball so they can't locate him. Jogginghoe does that a lot in hot games. That's why he played 120 mins against Spain and spent his time hiding, dropping 30 passes in 120 minutes. See the way Horjtout kept showing for the ball yesterday even under immense pressure, Jogginghoe can never have the balls to do that in the same situation. Man who will play 120 mins and drop 30 passes. Even Veratti who left pitch 50 mins before him matched him, and was wondering why this guy is not showing for ball.

Segedinho:
Haven't really watch d hojberg per se..

I will give you one stat to buttress my first criteria.

For the second criteria, you can check with your eye if he's fast enough.

This is top volume passers in EPL last season.

There are weak men who cannot see anything technical in a hardworking player. Those are the ones on this thread who fantasize about being plugged in the back. Once a player is strong and energetic, they will call him a tout and be completely myopic to his technical side. It's a disease in modern football fans, usually the ones that got their first football experience following Barcelona. In many years, I've been saying that Kante has one of the slickest half-turn in football. Those who only play to stereotypes (Weak players = technical, Strong players = dumb) only saw Kante as a destroyer. You can see the same effeminate men today calling Hojberg tout when he is consistently competing with Rodri at the top of the passing charts. Some of us have forgotten more about midfield work than some of these ninnies ever learned.

donjazet:
Jorginho possesses this very well. Jorginho is hardly ever dispossessed and progresses the ball forward via good passing.

Jogginghoe is easily dispossessed and goes hiding when the press is on. He will only show for the ball when there is no one around him, and the minute any pressure is put on, he will pass to goalkeeper or belle-face whence it came. Even many of his fans will admit he fails under the press. Big difference to Rodri or Busquet who can ride a player on their back and spin out. Jorginho goes hiding when the heat is on instead. I almost agree with popizaino when he said if Fred just focus on passing the ball back to where it came, he can replicate Jorginho. Jorginho does not have the skill required for a ball keeper. He is just an expert in moving around into pockets of space to receive ball without anyone around him and give it back to the closest man. When Spain put Pedri on him in the Euro semifinal, Jorgginghoe made 30 passes in 120 minutes of play

Segedinho:
Does hojberg possesses this??

To a decent level, prove me wrong

donjazet:
As the spirit leads. Never standing one place.
This is the same person too that used to criticize rodri. That one has put him to shame since.

You are the spirit leads. Till tomorrow I will prefer a Fernandinho who took his team to 99 points and 98 points with a clapped out Otamendi in defence to a Rodri who can't touch 90 points so far. That's a downgrade. The lost points is in those moments of counterattack where Fernandinho kept up and a Rodri couldn't keep up. To even cut the risk, Pep tweaked his setup and has moved Cancelo into midfield and kept Kyle Walker back as spare man for footrace on counterattacks. Rodri was missing last two weeks, nothing changed. Don't get me wrong, he's a great player on the ball, ten times more trustworthy than Jogginghoe on the ball, but I don't compromise on having some pace in my DM incase the game goes the other way.

Two weeks ago, you were telling us how Jorginho was our playmaker and controller, I told you he is not and even defenders pass more than him. Today you have refined your argument 180 degrees toward the reality. That's spirit leads. Even if you disagree with me, you still learn something.

donjazet:
More so everyone knows that defenders will always have more passes than midfielders.

Again, you see that our counter pressing system doesn't emphasize possession but direct football which is why jorginho might be told not to dwell on the ball but keep it moving. This might be the key difference between jorginho's role and rodri's role despite being similar.

Segedinho:
Oga ibime

Wetin be your characteristics of a very good DM.?

My criteria for a good DM has never changed in 10 years.

He should be good on the ball, to receive it from his defence with his back to opponents without losing it, and progress the ball.

He should have pace to support his defenders on counterattacks and give his team confidence to play high up the pitch.

lordfalcao:
no longer volume of pass but accuracy..

Check Jorginho and hojberg who had more pass accuracy last night

Another low IQ use of stats. Go and check Debruyne pass accuracy.

Before judging pass accuracy, you have to know what kind of player is under consideration.

Is he a "ball no spoil for my hand" type of player like Jorginho (high accuracy)

Is he a risk-taker who tries adventurous passes like DeBruyne (low accuracy)

Or somewhere in-between.

For a ball no spoil for my hand backpasser like Jogginghoe, just know that 79% pass accuracy vs Brighton means my man was bewildered, flummoxed and out of his depth. A 79% for Debruyne meanwhile is just another day at the office.

lordfalcao:
why will I be ashamed? He had the most passes amongst all mildfield

That’s your criteria. Doesn’t it mean controlling the mildfield more

I told you interpretation of stats is not for low IQ people.

If Jogginghoe is passing ball 57 times and Bissouma is passing 50 times, that brings Chelsea down to the level of Brighton, giving more chances for Bissouma to be running with ball through the heart of Chelsea midfield to allow Brighton 18 shots while Jogginghoe was escorting.

What am I saying sef, when 50% of those Jogginghoe passes will be backward.

If you want to start interpreting stats, increase your IQ. Big club should not be allowing little club even possession. Read the below to learn how to judge passing stats against level of opposition and be blessed.

Ibime:
If you don't know how passing stats work for a controller, let me explain to you

Easy games should be 80-120 passes (Jorginho makes 50-70 under Tuchel)

Midtable games should be 60-90 passes (Jorginho makes 40 to 70 under Tuchel)

Tough games should be 50 to 70 passes (Jorginho makes 30 under Tuchel)

These are the stats of a playmaker. Go and check the records of all the playmakers you mentioned like Rodri, Busquets, Xavi and co.

lordfalcao:
. against Brighton Jorginho made more passes more than any mildfielder on the pitch..

Which shows he was the one showing up more for the ball. Is it not safe to say he controlled the mildfield according to your metric..

But you are the first to tell us how he lost mildfield battle

57 passes against Brighton. Are you not ashamed

Trevor012:
Nothing like steping up or taking responsibility bullshittttt. He failed in his role assigned to him. It was how Tottenham set up yesterday as shown by their pass map and average position. No wonder Tottenham struggled so badly . Conte tasked an above average workhorse with no creativity , technical ability or even Sense to control the game

Are you not foolish? You are showing a pass map that shows him as their highest passer and you say they failed because he was entrusted to control the game.

If he passed more than Chelsea midfielders, then it's obvious their failure was not on his head. Must he make 200 passes to clear his name?

lordfalcao:
naso..

Number of passes isn’t style of play also. But metric that measures effectiveness

Self-deceit

Number of passes is a metric for a midfield controller whose team get forced to park bus when they meet strong opponents while he hides from the ball. It's definitely a metric for an attacking team, and for a Rodri in such a team.

If Ronaldo can get dragged, then Hojberg is not beyond dragging by some foolish Lordfalcaos in Tottenham fan base who could not see that he was the only one showing for the ball. Every club has foolish fans, but at least these ones admit they are in the minority and majority of Spurs fans love Hojberg

lordfalcao:
rubbish.

Today you want a Dm to pass more, tomorrow you want him to be able to tackle and intercept more.. you pick any when you want arguments to Favour you.

Why not show us the defensive attributes of Jorginho vs hojberg last night. Since both are playing under community defense…

your mildfield opinion is always biased.. So as usual will take this like a pinch of salt

Spurs fans knows he is finished

When snail begin dy make more tackle than mildfield marshal. Water don pass garri

Mumu, weak and small players tackle more. Strong players place their body between opponents to dispossess them. Never been concerned with no of tackles, that's a style of play, not a metric that measures effectiveness. You will see Jorginho side by side with a player, instead of putting his shoulder in to win the ball, he will jump into tackle because he knows he doesn't have strength for that. In every 10 Jorginho tackles, 9 could have been won without tackling by a player that can use his body. By your reasoning, Sarr must be shïtting on Rudiger since Rudiger made no tackles and Sarr made 4. I told you, interpretation of stats is not for low IQ people

lordfalcao:
naso..

If is Jorginho you will pull out both Facebook, Twitter and Instagram post of people criticizing him.

E reach hojberg na foolish fans and na number of pass he made counts, all his press resistance, tackles and mildfield marshal control has flown through the window.. Kuku push him up to AM or cm

Mumu, the passing stats is what shows his bravery under the press and confidence in his press resistance relative to his teammates. Some info is not meant for low IQ people to digest. Like Donjazet said up there, his defenders are supposed to be having the bulk of possession in that 3 man system, they're the ones who wilted and he did not.

Trevor012:
Tottenham fans tearing into your guy yesterday

There are foolish fans in every club. Why didn't his teammates do better on the ball than him. Someone is carrying you possession wise while everyone else failed under the press, you are blaming him.

See Rudiger, Alonso and co passing the ball 90 times, Tottenham defence only 30 times, yet Hojberg matched his Chelsea contemporaries in that aspect.

Tottenham passed the ball 370 times yesterday, Hojberg made 59 of those - that's one in every 6 passes coming through his leg while his teammates were hiding.

Chelsea passed the ball 670 times yesterday with Jorginho taking 55 of those - that's one in every 12.5 passes coming through his leg.

All that shows is Hojberg was taking responsibility in tough situations where his teammates shirked

Tochex101:
Previously read he was granted exemption.......whats going on?

Australians were angry that he was being preferential treatment when they've not been allowed to travel out the country for nearly 300 days cumulative since pandemic started

So Prime Minister used him to play politics, ordering his detention at the airport where they grilled his exemption and kicked him out.

basilico:
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There were 240 people of the same ones over and over in the same car involved in it. You start doing the math here. 45,000 time 240 people. You’ve got $11 million dollars distributed illegally. Then you take 4500 ballots by 240 people. You’re talking about a million ballots.

You and your funny news stories we will not see anywhere else. Drinker of lies.

Novak Djokovic booted out of Australia from the airport. Aussie politicians really use the guy shine.

SUPERPACK:
Stock market will do -3% btc go vex do -12% to show who is boss. If stock market come do -12% btc go rush do -50%. When the game gets tough the bubbles takes the hit.

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OpenHeaven2019:
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Heryormilekan:
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Our high press was very effective today.

That should show that achieving a press with Lukaku is not a red herring

A striker need not do more than slightly pressure both centre-backs, and let the wingers and AM do the furious part of the pressing. Centrebacks will hardly leave their position to show for ball for fear of a strikers presence. That's what Bayern have been doing with Lewandowski for years, not that Lewandowski is chasing players down like Usain Bolt.

When Pep was chasing Ronaldo in the summer, one analyst was asked how Pep will maintain the press with Ronaldo, he said easy, Pep will only ask the striker to move within the vicinity of the centre-backs, that Messi was not pressing furiously at Barca, Messi just make shadow movements and Pedro, Villa and Iniesta take it from there, that Pep does not even want Messi too tired from pressing when ball reaches him in the box, he needs him to have a calm head for the finish.

Another key difference - it's easier for 4 attackers to press than 3. We also had an AM on board today which we don't usually have.

lordfalcao:
this hojberg no better pass Jorginho . Even succumbs under pressure, nobi the same thing you dy use beef Jorginho

The fact Hojberg was the only Spurs player showing for the ball shows how much press was on that ball from Mount and co. When your defenders are making 30 passes, it shows the pressure is much, and Hojberg is the only one showing for the ball under pressure, outpassing his defenders almost two to one. You can see how the pressure affected the defenders with Tanganga messing up for both goals, he couldn't handle it.

Compare with Jogginghoe whose defenders are making 90 passes and he is only making 55, that means play was easy in that area of the pitch for his defenders to be touching ball so much, yet he was still the most unavailable to receive pass out of all of them.

If Jogginghoe can make 60 passes under the same pressure Spurs were under, I would rate his balls, but whenever we come under similar pressure, you won't see him making more than 30.

Donjazet, there are facts and there are theories

Like today which you will hold up as one of Jogginghoes better days, still does not show your "midfield controller" theory. Even Saul who left 20mins to the end made more passes while Hojberg who was supposedly in the poorer team with only 37% of possession did the same. Jogginghoe was infact the lowest volume passer amongst the whole defence and midfield. Only lazy analysis can lead someone to still be talking about Sarriball passing of Jogginghoe in 2021.

Saul must have overcome his demons. Looks stronger and more confident. At least let's get some of our money's worth finally

BikeMan:
Ibime don hear am today o

Let them keep deceiving themselves. By next game, they will start wondering why our midfield is acting schizophrenic.

3-4-3 leaves the opposing DM free so Jogginghoe has the freedom of the park, same mistake Martinez and Southgate made in Euros. Spurs two DMs have our AM and Saul to mark while their wingers face our fullbacks. If Ndombele come on in AM and start pressing Jogginghoe, story will change. That's how Swiz nearly called Ndombele the second coming of Zidane last time. We go see by Man City game next weekend why it's not good to delude yourself when they put a presser on him.

DieRich5:
any bad news boss?

Minutes of Fed meeting came out showing they are leaning toward interest rate rise

Stockmarket just took a big dump and so did BTC