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donjazet:
Again, please start using punctuations in your write up. Yours always looks untidy.
Secondly look at these below. Just the latest I could find. Go to uniteds thread and see more.

You will only find this in a 36 year old Ronaldo or 34 year old Messi at PSG. 98% of club fans will have nothing bad to say of Ronaldo in 2008, or Messi at Barca, only trolls from other clubs.

pkasso:
LOL. Leon Britton the acclaimed best passer in the England at that time Barry Ferguson of Birmingham City is another one that comes to mind. Na Jorginho pipu be that. 1000 passes, no assist

I done forget Barry Ferguson sef. That one had some hustle sha. Leon Britton is the closest to Jogginghoe of Sarriball era sha.

Them plenty, such as James McArthur in his Wigan years, Danny Murphy in his later years at Fulham etc.

donjazet:
But the same you have been using passing stats to denigrate jorginho for months here.
Ibime stand one place na.

After every match you go and paste passing stat to bash jorginho. Now that I've reminded everyone how jorginho has better adapted to his new coach and become well rounded, you are now trying to mock jorginho's passing records.

What hate would do to a person.

His passing stats was ineffective when he was a controller

Now he is not passing, I remind you he is not passing for those of you spinning narrative that his passing stats led us to success

When he was passing, we were failures, getting bullied all over the place, and he was no more effective than Leon Britton in style, choice of pass and efficacy

"Italian Leon Britton"

Pkasso, you expect these neophytes to know what you are talking about?

You found the most adept comparison sha

AIT1:
Ibime

Are you still tracking SSB presale?

I've been lazy to fill their kyc to be honest. Part of the reason is I don't know why they are releasing two separate tokens, the other part, I've just generally taken eyes off crypto this month as I'm waiting for the impact of interest rate rises to hit the market before I re-engage fully.

Segedinho:
What is Kante function as a box to box CM.??

His strength is to run and makes useful interception....and obvious task wch was perform well.

Jogs on d other hand has is task since he is flawed when it comes to running like Kante.

He executed "his" perfectly,reason he wasn't taking off

Follow the origin of the conversation. This is not about their role but about whether we parked bus or not.

donjazet:
Did he fly into those final stages?? Why did other teams who also started the competition not enter the latter stages??
What about the opposing teams DM? Why didn't rice or kalvin Philips match the number?

Rice or Kalvin Phillips didn't play 3 extra time, and came off before 90 minutes in most matches. They also didn't park Boeing jet against Spain in order to amass half their defensive stats, neither are they weak players who jump into tackles when a simple use of body strength will win the ball back. In essence, we have narrowed the competition for those stats down to Rice and Kalvin Phillips, and the above explains it.

In UCL, his only competition would be Rodri for those stats but Pep chose to rest Rodri some games including the final

BikeMan:
This is far from the truth. The first half was a display of two teams going head to head. In fact we pressed so much that we started squandering chances, we had the best chances in the first half. Only half of the game saw Chelsea laid back because we felt that it made more sense to protect our lead than go look for another goal, especially when we started missing chances again. YOU CAN'T TELL ONLY ONE HALF OF A STORY.

If you check well, almost all of our chances originated from a Kante run from deep to break the lines. We were still camped in our half with our passes amongst our defenders and goalkeepers. The touchmap doesn't lie. If we played high up the pitch it would show on the touchmap. The Kante runs to link with our right-side players in the first half shows on the map

BikeMan:
We didn't park the bus

When an overwhelming number of your passes are in your box, you parked bus. Touch map doesn't lie. If you didn't park bus, you won't be playing the game in your penalty box

popizaino:
How wonder why this impressive stats wasn't winning him man of the match performance from start to finish of both tournaments............i just wonder .

Nothing impressive about that stats. No other midfielder played 7 full games in Euros with three extra-time. In UCL, he is the only one that played all matches.

If you check well, Granit Xhaka probably bested his passing stats on a 90 mins basis at Euros. He only went to Euros to park bus and rely on Donnaruma to save penalties.

Even Lordfalcao will outpass Xavi if he plays 100 games and Xavi plays one game.

Lordfalcao is too dense to handle numbers. I had to teach him how to calculate percentages the other week. I have told him, stats doesn't fit him.

donjazet:
Jesus!!! Did I actually read that right.
Some Chelsea fans think Tuchel parks the bus
I swear I'm going to church next tomorrow. I'm now seeing too many weird things.

Like we parked the bus all the way to winning our UCL??

If your passing fulcrum in the team completed 31 passes, what sort of game do you think you played? Maybe a touch map will convince you. See the heat of Man City touches (top picture) on the halfway line. See the heat of Chelsea touches in their own box (and small heat on the right hand side where Kante was able to break through and connect with James). There's a reason why Kante was the one being lauded because it's unusual for a team camped where Chelsea is camped to break through and harm the opposition if not for the incredible superhuman runs of Kante.

Even if you disagree it's a parked bus, you will agree it's a very low block. Same difference. Pochettino basically said it when he accused Tuchel of playing defensive football at Chelsea, but Kantes superhuman ability to break the lines and make some counterattacks lull you into a false sense that you are not parking bus.

This is a parked bus - the type where Jorginho doesn't have to run and can make interceptions without moving too much like Mikel in 2012.

donjazet:
See how you are jumping from pillar to post.

We already know jorginho is a lord and master of passes.
A new coach asks him to adapt his game better and he does this, improving tremendously in the defensive aspects of his game.
Meaning he now knows both how to pass accurately which he has also done and improve in his tackling, ball recoveries and interceptions, all key traits of a "defensive" midfielder.

Somehow rather than acknowledge that this midfielder is now well rounded and key to his team, it becomes a problem because you hate this player

None of this acknowledges the element of space.

Mikel was also a good controller. One of the hardest players to dispossess.

He was also a very good bus parker.

But was he a good DM in an attacking team? Never.

The failure is the inability to cover ground. A DM in an attacking team requires a different skillset from a bus parking DM, one of which is the ability to close spaces quickly. Second of which is the ability to ride pressure, and push the opponent back in order to put his team on the front foot. Jogginghoe can do neither.

donjazet:
Wait so Ibime, Chelsea is now a bus parking team??
This Chelsea under tuchel looks like a bus parking team??

Wetin person no go hear for this thread?

So we parked bus against on our way to the champions league??

Let me understand better. You've been criticizing jorginho for passes when we all know he is the lord of passing, now you've acknowledged that jorginho has even better evolved to add defensive aspects to his game that makes him an all rounder but somehow that's a problem??

Ibime, stand one place make the thunder know where him dey strike.

How many successful passes did Jorginho make in the UCL final against Man City. I will answer you - 31.

Just because City did not control the space behind well and we had a few uplifting counterattacks does not mean we did not park bus. Most possession we had in that game was our defenders and goalkeeper passing among each other to kill time. Even if you disagree it's strictly parking bus, it's a very low block that can't win you the league

donjazet:
Ibime you have continuously dodged my question, how did your mcm horjtout allow a mind boggling, flabbergasting, mesmerizing, befuddling SIXTY-SEVEN GOALS last season??

I swear if you talk say you dey praise hojberg infront of your coworker wey be Tottenham fan, him fit sama you better kpole for face.
Abeg explain how your mcm take concede SIXTY-SEVEN goals last season? Na sleep him dey sleep for pitch?

I will answer when you tell me.how.many Jogginghoe conceded under Lampard. Football is not lawn tennis

donjazet:
Ibime only God would judge you for denying his majestic creation his glory.

Look below and see who you said was "carried" to his glories.
Look well let your eyes feast on your enemy's successes.

As I said , God will judge you.

You are coming to your senses and finally bringing the correct arguments I told you to bring last week. People who know what they are watching know where Jorginhos game has changed in his successful year, which is completely the opposite of the Midfield controller narrative you were naively barking about last week. He was a failure as a controller. He has been a successful bus parker for the last 12 months. That's not my vision of Chelsea. He made half his interceptions in the Euros in the Spain game (7 interceptions) where he was thoroughly outplayed and resorted to making interceptions which is easy to do when bodies are packed together.

Go and check Mikel defensive stats in bus parking 2012 UCL run. How did Mikel perform the next season when asked to put Chelsea on the front foot and play on the halfway line? Same as Jogginghoe plays on the halfway line, losing the midfield battle too often. Chelsea did not come here to park bus. That's why I specifically argued you can cocknyash to win a tournament using such methods but a DM who loses too many battles if he is not parking bus cannot win the league.

My campaign to replace Mikel came immediately after his stellar bus parking performance in UCL, and I was proven right in assessing that the skills needed for that UCL run are not the skills needed to win consistently. You are arguing with someone who understands all the layers of what he is talking about.

Now read this my message to you last week, you will see you are just learning. I know exactly the attributes and context of the player I'm arguing about. Even if you disagree with me, you will learn something.

Ibime:
Where Jorginho stats have improved dramatically since Tuchel arrival is his number of interceptions and tackles. This is what the intelligent Jorginho fans like User09 use to argue about his improvement, not his passing. My counterargument has always been that these stats improve naturally under a low block or bus parking set-up as the chances for interceptions and tackles become higher when bodies are packed in tight space, and Jorginhos method for winning a duel is always by jumping into a tackle as he doesn't have the body to shade off opponents like other stronger midfielders do. These are the intelligent arguments for Jorginho, while the lazy ones like you and BlueAngel lazily hark back to passing which has not been a thing since the Sarriball era. There are people who watch football, and understand what they are watching, while there are others whose quality of argument is no more enlightened than those watching with four bottles of beer under packed canopy.

If you don't get your money from a busy man at the time of purchase, you may never see it again.

The N1m this guy is pained over is something Davido probably forgot within ten minutes

raumdeuter:
Why will I accept a player inferior to Kimmich that we have?

Should I accept him to do what?

I won't also accept Ederson Allison Cortouis or Mendy when I already have Neuer

I won't accept any striker when I already have Lewandowski

They said can you picture him playing at Bayern, you begin dey speak grammar

You don't only have Kimmich in that midfield, you have Goretzka. On top you have Tolisso, Cuisance and co.

How you go like Jogginghoe jogging on your half way line.

donjazet:
Again, you do not need to stress yourself arguing about jorginho when it comes to passes.
Jorginho made his name in football as the Lord of passing. Don't waste your breath on this.

Then when he face better team, he will drop 30 passes

raumdeuter:
Kimmich is the best DM in the world and I wont trade him for anyone just like I wont trade Neuer or Lewandowski for anyone

Does this mean that if Jorginho is not better than Kimmich he is useless? So any keeper not Neuer is useless? Or any striker not Lewandowski is useless?

Nobody asked you if you would trade anybody. They asked will you accept Jorginho in your midfield, the same player you labelled Jogginghoe, the guy who is only successful in community defence, the same one Muller and Goretzka bullied at Stamford Bridge. They ask you one question, you start answering another question to evade the truth

In another episode of "Players Pep Coveted", donjazet declares that Manure fans should have no problem with Fred in their midfield.

According to DonJ, "Manure fans cannot know more than Pep, Mourinho, Solskjaer and Ralf Ragnick and Brazil managers who continue to pick him "

lordfalcao:
hojberg is trash.. bissoma under consideration

I'm sure you'll consider him with the way he trashed your MCM last week. Something we have seen long ago

lordfalcao:
show me the possession between the two teams..

Jorginho was actually the highest passer amongst Italy mildfield against Spain..

You must be mad. Jogginghoe 33 attempted passes in 120 mins, Veratti 30 in 73 mins

lordfalcao:
when you talk about best Dm it is hojberg. Hahaha

Hojberg is just one recommendation I made to replace Jogginghoe last summer. Bissouma will be another next summer

See how Raumdeuter stated boldly that he had the best DM in the world in Kimmich

That's a DM with technique, passing, speed, never outfought or completely dominated

When you hear the ninnies talk about best DMs, it's always to mention Rodri, Busquet, Jogginghoe etc, never Kimmich.

donjazet:
What does age have to do with this? They are not much older than each other.

The jet question is, was azpi a key player for Chelsea beginning of last season?

You are just clutching at straws man.

What is clutching at straws. Azpi will be 33 at the end of his contract which is the age fullbacks are put to pasture

lordfalcao:
show me the team that took possession against Spain in the whole 2020 euros

Brozovic vs Spain 61 passes, Jogginghoe 30 passes

Cover your face and stop making excuses

lordfalcao:
this is how you feed here with lies. Easy with your lies of 30 passes in the euro final..

Jorginho was the second highest mildfield with passing volume in the final..

Go bring the semifinal for me. I'm responsible for what I type, not what you interpret. Can you show me final in my post?

donjazet:
Beginning of last season, was ceazer azpi not key for Chelsea?

How old is Azpi?

Azpi joined 2012, got new contract 2014, and another one in 2016 and another one in 2018

Every two two years like Noah's ark, unlike some unwanted people

donjazet:
If course, speculations and speculations. Here we have fab saying marina has sat down with jorginho's camp, his agent also saying contract talks have opened between both.

As I said. Speculations galore.
What does all these have to do with jorginho being an essential player to all his coaches.
Swallow your LLLL's in peace.
Sarri values him. Mourinho values him, Mancini values him, Guardiola values him, Tuchel values him. He is currently the European best player.
All, top coaches forming a consensus about the player.
Why should I care what some random dude has to say about him online?

Give us the date which you so carefully cropped out so we can compare with his agent statement last month

Trevor012:
Should I bring out other key players who signed contract extension very late for their various clubs?

If you tell us when they started contract discussion

There is no key player anywhere who has not started discussion with 2 years left, unless he was wack and suddenly became key like Rudiger and co

Trevor012:
Even salah didn't sign a contract extension after two years and still haven't signed one yet. Maybe Salah is not wanted by Liverpool lol.

Salah joined Liverpool 2017 and already had a new contract by 2018. Don't compare wanted players with unwanted

Even now, they are discussing contract just that Salahs demands are too high, unlike Jogginhoe who has never even been invited to Marina office to state his demand.

donjazet:
Both of us have no right to be arguing about contracts because we know nothing of what exactly is going on there.

We know that both parties can sometimes use the media to exaggerate points.
Fabrizio has said contract negotiations are ongoing. Who knows they may reach an agreement in the summer.
I once read an article that linked Barcelona to jorginho in this coming Summer.

It's all called transfer RUMOR for a reason.

What matters is that jorginho still has 18 months with us and he has been very vital to his coaches There shouldn't be a sense of urgency at this time.

If a player reach 18 months without the club sitting with him, that means they are reluctant.

Contract talks typically start 3 years to go and clubs will start thinking of selling with 2 years left if no progress has been made with talks. That's for wanted players. By 18 months the player is halfway out the door unless he compromise

Chelsea have never sat down with Jorginho with 18 months to go. Fabrizio can say what he wants, he is the one speculating. Jorginho own agent says they haven't even sat down