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donjazet:
I don't know why we're discussing contracts when jorginho still has 18 months to go. It's not as if our board has been known to be excellent in contract negotiations. We currently have 4 key players whose contract runs in 5 months time.

There was nothing key about Rudiger.and Christensen. Chelsea were ready to lose them until Tuchel turned them from grass to grace.

Wanted players like James, Kante all got their contracts renewed timely. Kante joined Chelsea 2016 and already got new contract by 2018.

Jorginho is 4.5 years in and nobody called him to sit down.

Why will Chelsea be offering Rudiger new contract when they were trying to offload him last summer? Jogginghoe was in the same boat with the rest of unwanted players.

Theuniverse:
my man ibime so na raumdeuter naim give jorginho him nickname jogginghoe ehn? chei raumdeuter there is god o, pls dont be like nigeria pdp apc politicians vacilitating from one party to another without concern. jorginho is useless as you have confirmed. so pls no become cfc saboteur oooh!!!

Na him name am Jogginghoe to mock us for the wack player turning out for us

timbros:
Do you have evidence that there is no offer on the table yet? Has there been any report that Chelsea doesn't want to renew Jorginho's contract?

When does Jogginghoe contract expire and how long has he been at Chelsea? Wanted players don't wait more than two or three years for contract talks, only those who the club feel is earning more than their contribution. His agent confirmed no talks

raumdeuter:
Didnt Chelsea buy Mereiles around that time as well?

Chelsea bought Meireles 2011 summer and sold him 2012 summer after winning UCL, and left only Mikel, Ramires and 35 year old Lampard to man the midfield.

Meanwhile we had Hazard, Mata, Moses and Sturridge who played wings already, we added Oscar, Schurrle, Willian and Debruyne that summer.

You can see the pattern

raumdeuter:
Most coaches were benching Mikel steadily for those years unlike Jorginho that is starting

And yet Chelsea never saw it good to bolster the DM position till Mourinho came to throw his weight around in January 2014. Chelsea managers were forced to be playing Luiz and even Zouma in midfield when water pass garri while Mikel still was on bench. What more convincing do you need to move him on and bolster the position

timbros:
So it's now the board forcing Jorginho on the coaches? Interesting.

Between Rice and Havertz, who do you think Lampard preferred. It's not a mocking thing, it actually happened. Lampard tried to convince them Rice was his priority, not Havertz.

raumdeuter:
60-40 is not enough domination in a final? England played Mount who was also in midfield yet were dominated
Belgium played KdB Yielemans and Witsel in mdfield yet lost possesion to Italy

England played Mount on the wing. His job is on Emerson.

Same with Belgium who played Tielemans and Witsel

A 3-4-3 formation against a 4-3-3 simply says we will not press the DM. We will rather keep the spare man at the back, and only engage the DM when he enters our half. So all that nonsense passing Jogginghoe did in his own half means nothing, that's just the tactical plan.

When he faced Pedri man-o es man-o, nigga was hiding on the pitch like the scared rat he's always been.

timbros:
Just look at excuses upon excuses.

Kepa was a problem, Mendy came in.
Tammy was a problem, Werner came in.
Werner was a problem, Lukaku came in.
Jorginho was a problem, who came in?

So you want to tell me that while Chelsea was signing Mendy, Werner etc, they can sign a Jorginho replacement at the same time?

So we should wait till next season before Jorginho replacement will come.

Make una continue dey make excuses why Jorginho dey start Chelsea games.

Oh.... Saul is Jorginho's replacement

BTW, provide your reliable source for the bolded.

It is well known that Tuchel wanted Tchouameni and Lampard wanted Rice but the board priotised other signings. Let me give you a clue, those managers were not coveting those players to come and sit on bench for Jogginghoe.

If Chelsea could keep Mikel and Ramires as ourmidfield options for 4 years, you should know that signing DM does not excite Chelsea board. The head of recruitment even wrote an article about it which nateevs shared many moons ago on how their strategy is to sign young exciting forwards as they make more money from the sell on. This is a team that kept 10 wingers, chased away Salah, DeBruyne, kept buying Marin, Moses, Cuadrado, Pato, Kenedy, couldn't utilise Piazon to add to Hazard, Mata, Oscar, Willian, Schurrle they bought. . . . and they left Mikel, Ramires and a 35 year old Lampard to man the midfield. Jogginghoe sticking around this long is not due to those managers ideal wish.

raumdeuter:
Dont let this Jorginho obsession turn you to a liar

Below is the possesion stat in the final 61-39% is now barely edged possesion?

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/match/2024491--italy-vs-england/statistics/?iv=true

Italy lost possesion battle vs Spain one of the most possesion obssesed country and team ever known to man

61-39, that's 60-40 against a team that faced Veratti, Barella and Jogginghoe with just Rice and Phillips. England were not interested in the midfield match-up, the only team that were turned him into a Bakayoko

raumdeuter:
Ballack has done great things like taking a hapless Germany and Leverkusen to finals they have no business being.

Jorginho wins CL as a starter with Chelsea excuse
Jorginho wins Euro with Italy excuse
Jorginhos inability makes Chelsea play community defence, what about Italy that dont play community defence with Jorginho? Silence
How come all these coaches have not replaced Jorginho since?
How come these teams won the biggest titles of 2021 with Jorginho as their lychpin
How come coaches Tuchel Mancini Sarri Lampard all start Jorginho

Football no be lawn tennis but na only Donnaruma Djokovic win Euro for Chelsea

Hummels didn't do great things like breaking Bayern. hegemony on Bundesliga back to back and taking them to UCL final.

Italy played community defence, stop misyarning. What do you call playing 3 DMs in midfield and keeping 30% possession against the only decent team that decided to match them in midfield, while Jogginghoe made 30 passes in 120 minutes. Even Veratti that left pitch on 70 mins completed the same number of passes, to show how he was hiding

nihilistjnr:
Sarri bought Jorginho. Of course he will play him. He had problem with Kepa, but board forced him to play him. Kepa turned out to be a liability

Lampard faced transfer ban, so he was forced to manage Jorginho. Kepa was a bigger problem, so he bought Mendy. Tammy too was an issue, so he brought Werner.
As soon as Lampard left, Jorginho came out to abuse Lampard, and Lampard implied the beef was because he didn't play Jorginho often.

Lampard was sacked. Tuchel landed. The biggest liability he met was Werner, followed by Havertz. He immediately entered the market for a Striker and got Lukaku. He then got Saul on loan as a temporary midfield solution, which unfortunately hasn't worked.

Don't for a second try to to sell a dream that Jorginho has been at Chelsea because he's that good. He's just be fortunate enough that there have been other fires for managers to fight.

Let's wait till next season to see how many more tweaks Tuchel will make to the team. Jorginho has only one year left on his contract, and the club aren't in a rush to renew our Balon d'Or holder, whilst 37 year old Thiago Silva's contract has already been renewed.

If Jogginghoe is good, Chelsea would have been begging to offer him new contract since. They wanted to sell him but no takers, Timbros say it's because he was valued. Maybe he's valued like Martial at Man Utd

raumdeuter:
Italy a normal defensive team became a possesion team at the Euros

Of 4 knockout games Italy played Belgium England, Austria won and won possesion in all

Italy barely edged possession against an England and Belgium that set up with a defensive 3-4-3 which does not prioritise possession. The only big game we saw Jogginghoe matched up against 3 midfielders with an AM on him, he turned to Bakayoko

raumdeuter:
Makelele won the CL elsewhere so probably the problem was not Makelele

What of Ballack?

Swapping Ballack for Raul Meireles, Mikel and Ramires was obviously the reason Chelsea won in Europe where Ballack.must have been holding them back before.

In the words of hensben, football no be lawn tennis

raumdeuter:
Hummels won the World cup because of Boateng without Boateng what has he won in his career at the top level

Na keeper make Italy dominate possession and win 7 games. Keep deceiving yourself

But you want us to believe Lampard and Drogba won CL not Cech

Which possession did Jogginghoe dominate? Someone that drop 30 passes in 120 mins, park bus and wait for keeper to save penalties.

Newbies to this thread will not know you get a kick out of supporting wack players Chelsea fans hate. You be saboteur. Na you even give Jorginho him nickname of Jogginghoe

raumdeuter:
God has heard the wailing of ekpa dickzz about Joggingho and will be sending Bakayoko the first of his name back to Chelsea

raumdeuter:
WInning league for Bayern is nothing, CL is the koko for Bayern
Hummels came to Bayern 3yrs he didnt smell a trophy. 12months after leaving Bayern on the CL again
Hummels won 0 CL for Bayern, Jorginho won 1 for Chelsea

Neuer Boatang = CL 2020
Neuer Hummels = Euro 2020 disgrace

Nothing to do with all this nonsense. Hansi Flick is the reason you won UCL, not any player. Hummels won World Cup, what is UCL

Jogginghoe didn't win any Euros, his goalkeeper did. He is no different from the dozens of Portuguese wack players that won Euro2016

raumdeuter:
Why should I trade Jorginho for the best in the world?
I won't trade any keeper for Neuer does not make all keepers in the world bad

Hummels with Bayern did not win anything in Europe
Without Hummels Bayern won 2 CL titles

With Jorginho Italy and Chelsea won

When Brazil and Chelsea were starting Oscar and Willian how many CL did they win

Jogginghoe was not responsible for any Chelsea win in UCL.

Hummels won multiple league with Bayern which Jogginghoe has not even come close to challenging for, and Hummels reached UCL final with common Dortmund and won league with Dortmund

donjazet:
Tongue in chief my as*.
You have consistently berated popiziano as the most foolish poster on this forum.
You consistently use abhorrent homophobic slurs on swiz123, calling him a trannie.
On multiple occasions you've insulted my intelligence.
You've also consistently insulted lordfalcao.

Are you seeing what I'm seeing?? Tongue in cheek indeed! You are always very rude when disagreeing with someone's opinion. It has always been a pattern for you.

I thought after we spoke about this the last time, we wouldn't go down this road again only for you to resume.

Don't catch high blood pressure please. You know how this section be when you step in it. Dayo and Airmark insult each other daily for years and heavens did not fall.

raumdeuter:
We have Kimmich as a DM who is the best in the world

See as you swerve the question.

Hummels a player playing for Germany and Bayern, you wanted him out. Pogba plays for France and Manure, I don't think you'll accept him. We had Willian and Oscar playing for Chelsea and Brazil and fans didn't want them. Wack analogy.

Amoto94:
Donjazet there is a post of yours were you referenced the ethnicity and location of Ibime to dismiss his opinion I think that's very low of you and reeks of ethnic chauvinism. What has his ethnicity and location got to do with whether Hojbjerg is better than Jorginho or not?

Didn't even notice. Only sensitive niggas get riled up by the language used on this section which is even tongue in cheek

Exonerate1:
Using this spain stats everytime only game italy were dominated the whole tournament (Jorginho scored the winning penalty). Bring his passes against Belgium and in the final against England or are they not top teams?

England and Belgium played 3-4-3, leaving Jogginghoe as spare man. The Spain game, 30 passes, every Man City macth, 30 passes, various games like Brighton last week, Bournemouth, Villa matches last season. There is not a game he gets pressed and doesn't fold.

jedisco:
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Abeg link me the article if you can please

Make this Ambazonia people no sha cause chaos for AFCON

Why will CAF give AFCON to a country with seperatists fighting war


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airmark:
That's how i was surprised when he mentioned Mascherano as a slow player.

Arjen Robben couldn't believe how Mascherano ran from behind to block his goal-bound shot in that World cup final in 2014.

That guy is clueless TBH. He read more than he watches. Quick to quote what someone said, then be mischaracterising players attributes to show he did not watch, and if he watched, he did not observe.

donjazet:
Ibime is suffering from delusions of grandeur.

He had just been deceiving himself. Imagine deluding yourself into thinking that you know better than the best people in a professional field. acute delusions. It's what we call ITK. I too know. Someone who knows nothing will just be making noise and forming knowledge.

If you don't think you know better than a manager, never suggest a substitution or player or formation or signing for Tuchel to make again.

Just sit under your canopy drinking beer and cheer when your team score like olodo.

I don't need to know better than Guardiola, Conte or Emenalo to watch Bakayoko for just three games at Monaco in 2017 and conclude he is useless, while Guardiola was chasing him frantically

donjazet:
If you so much believe in stats, show me kante's stats that mark him as one of the best midfielders in the last 3 years.

Kante never positioned himself as pass master but there are stats beyond your level that we reference sometimes.

For Kante, I will look at no of sprints, recovery runs and sprint speed. That is what he uses to differentiate himself as a midfielder and his selling point, unlike Jorginho who claim his selling point is passing and we don't see him anywhere near the passing charts in his.moment of success.

When he was on the passing chart, Chelsea was failing, which shows his key strength was useless to us. He only padded against weak opposition.

When you use stats, use it with sense. Reason I didn't answer Segedinho when he brought stats about number of tackles etc that are not all that relevant to how I look at midfielders. But if a player is a controller, look at his passing stats. If he's a runner like Kante, check his running stats..if he's a creator like DeBruyne, check his assists, chance created, through balls.

Some players are great by being 7/10 in everything. But you can't be a specialist with one skill like Jorginho or Rodri or Busquet and expect us to overlook your pass volume stats.

lordfalcao:
against Man U he made the highest pass (68)amongst all mildfielders

This is your metric for controlling mildfield,

Yes he controlled that midfield against FredTominay, no disputing that. Manure have the most dysfunctional press and one of the wackest midfield in the Prem.

donjazet:
Guardiola, one of the best managers in the world coverts jorginho.
Jorginho was indispensable to Sarri.

Just like I said, you acted right on cue with no original thought of your own. Guardiola this, Guardiola that. Mortgaging your brain.

Jorginho is the second biggest fraud that Guardiola duped Chelsea board to purchase by mortgaging their brain to Guardiola. The first buggest fraud was Bakayoko that Chelsea rushed to go and purchase because Guardiola was coveting him. Go and hug your Bakayoko that Guardiola coveted. Foolish talk.

Ibime:
I don't think that guy knows anything about midfield. His own is just to hail whoever Pep signs or tried to sign. He won't even stop commenting how Pep tried to sign Jorginho. That's the first reason for his deification of Jorginho without engaging his eyes. Even when Tuchel turned Jorginho to water carrier, he still believed Jorginho was a midfield controller. If Pep had signed Bakayoko as he wanted, don't be surprised, this guy would be hailing Bakayoko as the best midfielder in the world. Some people mortgage their brain to anything Pep, Barca or Man-City because they have no understanding of what they are watching.

lordfalcao:
Ibime is a comedian..

Today he is showing us top passers as attributes of a good dm

Tomorrow he is telling us he should have pace and able to receive ball in tight spaces without been disposed..

Comedy talks.. does hojberg even have pace

Which of the two is contradictory. So a good passer cannot have pace? You should donate your brain.

Is Jordan Henderson a good passer, does he have decent pace? If I tell you Henderson has been the most consistent high volume passer in EPL for the last 5 years, you will argue. A player must look like snail before you agree they can pass. Fernandinho nko?

You cannot know football from watching under canopy. First time I watched Hojberg was 2014 at Etihad stadium live. Apart from Robben, Alaba and Boateng, he should have been the fastest player on that Bayern team. He was fast at Southampton and fast today. Not winger fast, but CM level fast. He even played right-wing at Bayern then

airmark:
Never put Mascherano among slow DMs, make thunder no fire you.

I don't think that guy knows anything about midfield. His own is just to hail whoever Pep signs or tried to sign. He won't even stop commenting how Pep tried to sign Jorginho. That's the first reason for his deification of Jorginho without engaging his eyes. Even when Tuchel turned Jorginho to water carrier, he still believed Jorginho was a midfield controller. If Pep had signed Bakayoko as he wanted, don't be surprised, this guy would be hailing Bakayoko as the best midfielder in the world. Some people mortgage their brain to anything Pep, Barca or Man-City because they have no understanding of what they are watching.

Macherano was very poor is his later Liverpool career, and poor as a midfielder at Barca. He earned his coin at centre back. He was always outplayed for Argentina and was a dysfunctional midfielder for them. Where Mascherano played well was the early part of his Liverpool career but he lost it all of a sudden. Maybe it was Alonso that made him look good sef. Mascherano was a fast and combative midfielder. I'm surprised he put him with Pirlo and co. Sometimes we'll be discussing with people not knowing their level.of understanding is basic. Maybe it's grammar that make them seem knowledgeable at times.

donjazet:
So since Xabi alonso, mascherano, pirlo, busquet,carrick were all slow, they were useless escorts right?? Irrespective of their other contributions to their team?

What era did they play in?

Did they play in gengen era?

A top player in one era can be inadequate in another. Ask Busquet. King of early 2010s, escort of today's era that teams use like ashawo

donjazet:

It's as if you don't know Ibime again.

Tottenham fans were roasting their own player after they surrendered their midfield, he said they are ignorant fools. But when the ibime's of our own fan base are the exposed ones??
Some jokes do indeed write themselves.

I brought Chelsea fans comment on Facebook page without selecting to show the strength of feeling. Trevor went and selected the specific Hojberg hating ones. Even in Lampard prime, 10% of fans hated him so anybody can go and select any comment they want. What I brought was as I was reading down Chelsea page. The same Hojberg that Spurs fans are campaigning to replace Kane as Captain.

Segedinho:
Someone uploaded d myriad of insults on hojberg after his display last night..
.

You were quick to lebel dem idiots.


But we should take same online insults on joginho from same internet just because u uploaded it abi.


You never respond to d wholescore rating bw Rice and hojberg

It had no substance. It did not have a single stat I use to judge midfielders.