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Chelsea vs Lille

Yoda strikes again

Lana1 in the mud

Benfica vs Ajax

Sporting vs Man City

Salzburg vs Bayern

Lana1 and CapitlalCee in the mud

zendi:
Thanks v much for this job. It put that Ibime in his place real fast.

Shut up. Dole is known for his humour, he's not a lunatic like you. Now go back to clearing imports held up by your crooked ex-colleagues at the port.

benalvino3:
My Girl lost a friend from the Rona yesterday and she seems a bit devastated about it.

Thought you said you don't know anyone with Covid

Lana1:
Lol. Yoda was the most overrated Jedi Master in history. Dont get it twisted Yoda didn't show you shìt as the draws have been voided.

airmark:
What should happen to Yoda now?

Yoda showed what he saw, he didn't provide context.

donjazet:
Seems fair sha. Such a clusterfuck.

If the only mistake was when Villarreal picked Man-u, there wouldn't be much fuss as that was rectified immediately, but to now exclude them from the next draw just fucked_ things up the more, creating a cascading effect.
Omo, the thing weak person oo. I no go happy say we come draw Bayern.

Why are they doing the draw again?

They should start from where the eediot put Manure in the wrong pot which will only leave them with ATM or PSG. The draw was fair to that point

These swelling lips are not from beating.

Looks to me like the substance given to him to drink should be investigated

Champions league draw to be redone

Utd fans right now

donjazet:
Hahaha. Man-u fans wan get heart attack. You need see where my friend dey hyperventilate.

What shall it profit a man to win his Group and draw PSG when he can come second and face Lille?

Ibime:
We will draw Lille. This I have seen.

Lana1:
You have seen and na Yoda show you. Yoda that could not even see the imminent destruction of the Jedi order.

Never doubt Yoda. He also showed me your draw with PSG. Bye Bye

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zendi:
Conservatives should take comfort in this type of report at their own peril.
Did you read Bob Dole's Farewell Letter, in which he expressed joy that he will still be able to vote from the Great Beyond in left wing places like Chicago?
So these approval rating pollsters, did they question the ghosts, goats and glitching machines who will also exercise their "Voting Rights", come elections for their opinions?
Those who think the Left will fall will receive a sucker punch, come the elections.

Where did Bob Dole say that?

You think a normal human being like Bob Dole is part of your crazy world of alternate reality?

donjazet:
Maybe because you are engaged in many talking points, you are now typing more than thinking.
Take a break man, it's needed.

I responded to somebody who says we have no natural DM in our team, when in fact we do.
Kante has always be known for his defensive duties, never for his underwhelming attacking instincts. We started seeing him play more in an attacking role when sarri came. He still plays his role of DM for France till today.
I normally do not like engaging in needless arguments which usually happens in football talks.

I like to argue to learn, but for something as opinionated as football where everybody has a half-baked opinion on issues,I choose to refer to agreed authorities, in this case, professionals or reputable footballing sites, so as to cut the argument short.

Eg, If you're saying Alonso is primarily a left back and I'm saying Alonso is primarily a left wing back, it's natural to default to an authority both of us agree upon to find a common ground. That's not "someone else doing thinking for you". It's common sense.

Again, I responded to someone saying we have NO DM in the squad. Is kante not a DM?

You told us in Lampard early days that he was copying Sarri by playing a 3 man midfield with Kante as CM so you have gone back four years already to the start of Sarri era without any evidence of Kante being a regular DM.

Those who saw him at Leicester say Drinkwater did most of the sitting, while we know Matic did the sitting under Conte.


The fact is you never saw Kante in France but you are relying on it to class him as a primary DM even citing his no of tackles. Has Vidal making a million tackles ever made him a DM? Some of us may have called for him to play there in the past simply out of exasparation at Jorginho but we have always maintained he is a CM. And by the way, a fantastic one that is not worth converting to DM. Just like no one will convert Gareth Bale to a leftback even though he's capable and even started there

You have never seen Kante play regularly as a DM in the last 6 years, simple, but you are mortgaging your brain to website to make a point.

donjazet:
We have all major footballing sites citing kante as a natural defensive midfielder but Ibime tells me that kante is not a defensive midfielder. Okay.

Ibime, please can you tell me what position kante plays for France?
Infact I don't even know how I carry myself enter this argument again.

Like I say, your contributions leave a lot to be desired.

When was the last time Kante played DM for Chelsea? Yet you rather believe the website than your own eyes. Try engage your own thinking faculty sometimes than mortgage it to others.

Even under Conte, Matic was the one sitting, while Kante drive forward.

lordfalcao:
who is the dm in France when kante and pogba plays in a 4231

That he played there out of necessity does not matter. Rabiot sat in the last Euros

donjazet:
Shebi you know kante has actually played most of his career as DM before sarri changed him?

No he hasn't. Drinkwater sat more at Leicester. Kante has too much energy to sit.

First time I ever saw Kante play at Leicester was even on the left wing. I commented on this thread that very day how impressed I was.

lordfalcao:
leave talk. Rlc and kovacic/kante partnership will fail.

Rlc, holds the ball too much , dribble unnecessary in the mildfield, putting team structure at risk. Doesn’t even have the energy to win the ball back after spoiling it..

passes the ball when he should dribble out of his marker as Cm and dribbles when he should pass the ball in a one time situation


He can’t do Jorginho work. This a failed experiment

According to the interception stats Jorgisexuals like to share as evidence of Jogginghoe putting in work, it seems easy for RLC to make those interceptions and recoveries in community defence setting

donjazet:
This is jorginho's agent saying him and marina has spoken about renewing the contract.

What is the date on that one. As of last week, he said that there has been no official contact from Chelsea, you are bringing corridor talk with Marina he probably dropped there to entice Juventus to hurry up and make a bid.

Action speaks louder than words. We are 18 months to the end of the contract with no official negotiations. Wanted players start negotiations 2.5 years in advance. That was always the case with Hazard, Lampard, Terry and Mount and co etc. Chelsea were winding down the assets of Rudiger, Christensen and Jorginho who they didn't value until TT made them look kind of attractive again. That's why you see last minute discussions with Chris now. Rudiger already knows they didn't want him before TT and tried to sell him, including loan bids so is not bothering and TT has made him attractive to command a decent wage elsewhere

One of two things will happen.with Jogginghoe. Chelsea will finally make empty gesture about negotiating contract and offer him a low ball. If he accept, fine. If he doesn't, they will use next summer to find a buyer and can easily excuse themselves by saying he had one year left so they had to do what they had to do.

donjazet:
Meanwhile talking about contracts.
We have Ibime here, a confirmed Chelsea insider telling us that the Chelsea want offload jorginho.

But on the other hand we have Fabrizio Romano, a nobody in football and fake news peddler telling us that Chelsea have opened talks with jorginho to renew his contract.
Is our God not a living God??

Why not hear from Jorginho agent rather than rumour mongers. The agent has been begging Marina since July and threatening that other clubs are interested. I'm sure in Marinas mind, she was hoping the other clubs materialise a bid so she can get rid of an unwanted asset. We are in December and Marina refused to pick his call.

I do expect Chelsea to open contract talks later for window dressing purposes but on their terms with not much will to push for it, hoping to force a transfer next summer.

If you have been at a club 4.5 years and they have never felt your performance is worth upping your salary to keep other interested parties at bay, or haven't started talking to you with 18 months to go, you should know you are not really wanted.

Like a boyfriend who refuse to discuss engagement with you after 4.5 years, even your village people will tell you to get sense.

lordfalcao:
pure jokes.. rlc sit?

Some one who doesn’t even understand his position in a 2 man mildfield sit for a drifter like kante, who is best at running around the mildfield making tackles.

This reeks of pure hate for Jorginho.

Any mildfield two of kante and rlc has already failed before the line up is released

It is easier for a lazy man to sit and clean up what he can see in front of him after Kante or Kovacic has chased the opposition into making errors. That position is the most leisurely in the team, cocooned in-between a hardworking Kante and 3 defenders. It has worked for Jorginho so far. RLC is a lazy man just like him. Sometimes positional discipline is not due to anything but what you can manage with your energy levels.

Segedinho:
We recalled ECK from Fulham.


Barkley was wanted by Burnley.

So why wasn't joginho sent out hoping for transfer to materialise.

Why was Gilmour sent instead...

Saul was a makeshift..were is he

If someone would have paid Jorginho loan fee that covers 1 year amortisation and full salary in 2020 with an agreement to sign, Jorginho would have gone, simple.

Why will Chelsea loan Barkley for part wages and no loan fee. Barkley yearly cost to Chelsea is £3m (yearly apportionment of his transfer fee) plus his full wages. Anything below that is declaring a loss in the books on Barkley. We received £5m loan fee from Villa plus full wages last year. Barkley has not reached the level of uselessness of Drinkwater that we start accepting yearly loss on him. Stick to the one you know.

popizaino:
The argument is redundant man, how will you say they had all the time in the world, while in fact they got pressed but they evade every pressure,because they were intelligent enough to know what to do with the ball and also had the individual skill set to maraud this pressure? How will you say they got exposed from 2013 when it was a period of mishap of management or say xabi Alonso got exposed when he dominated every opponent that came up against him? A DM will never be all round but the first point of any DM should be his ability to use the ball properly, nobody would have rated xabi, xavi, pirlo, busquet,carrick if they were only good in tackling rather than make good use of the ball. You can't go all about pointing every defeat these guys have suffered to them being expressway when we all know that teams can concede goals without having a lose midfield.

It is a fact that we started seeing fantastic scorelines with these guys anchoring DM from 2013 onward. They would still keep 70% possession but lose 3-0, 4-0. That's because unlike before where likes of Chelsea and Manure will sit back and only hope to make 4 or 5 attacks per game, the high pressers of 2013 era onward will be on their neck 24/7. They will still evade the insane pressing 90% of the time, but it will only take the press to be successful 5 or 6 times to see a 3-0 or 4-0 scoreline.

Xavi was kind of lucky to escape this era but be honest with yourself, when Chelsea and Manure was main opposition for these guys, match ends 1-0 or 2-0. When the Germans and Real Madrid start getting involved in high press from 2013, that's when we started seeing 3-0, 4-0, 8-1 etc every. These guys have been getting hammered ever since.

Theuniverse:
my dear ibime has Chelsea put jorginho up for sale before and nobody came, there are many ways to sell players, one way if the wages are the problem is to pay half and the other team pay half. when a club is serious to shift dead weight there's always a way.

Shifting dead weight during FFP times is difficult. Chelsea try not to make loss on a player, highest they will loan him indefinitely until the various loan fees pay off the transfer value like they are doing for Bakayoko and Batsuayi. That's why they signed new contract with Bakayoko and Batsuayi before their last loans because they need to recoup their expenditure for FFP purposes. Jorginho and Kepa are in a different boat. You can't recoup Jorginho expenditure with loans due to his age and amount spent while Kepa amount will never be repaid from loans so you have to either find mugu or get some utility out of him. You may not understand some transfer decisions until you understand some principles of amortisation.

Kante was made available for £90m because that's a maga money that will yield £84m profit. Kantes carrying value was £6m as at 2020. Jorginhos carrying value as at 2020 was £25m and Chelsea would accept that amount without declaring a loss on FFP, but nobody would pay that for Jorginho.

Segedinho:
Why was Emerson sent out

We had Emerson and Alonso..we bought chiwell anyway.

Fred and Mctominay are still there cos they are important to man u as well....

Pogba..VDB are still being benched..


U discard what you don't want even if no one wants to buy...

Gilmour would have been used instead.......

We already had 3 leftbacks before Emerson was sent out. Emerson is sent out with hopes of a transfer materialising.

We could not even get loans for RLC, Barkley and had to accept a last minute lowbid for Ampadu loan, you want to carry another big expenditure and salary on a midfielder when there are other fires to fight in the no9 position. Simple, Saul was the most financially sensible option. We did not estimate how far he has fallen, simple.

Fred and McTominay are not important to anyone. They are a smell that refused to go away. If Manure receive even £25m bid for either, they are gone. That's half of what they paid for Fred. They are just hamstrung by blowing big money on VDB, Pogba and Matic. In the days before FFP regulations, SAF would have sent Fred and McTominay packing for cheap like he did Veron while Roman would have torn up Jorginho contract years ago or sold him for pennies like he did to Mutu, Crespo, Shevchenko, Scott Parker, Veron etc.

PDPGuy:
It’s official: The NFF has fired Gernot Rohr, and has appointed Austin Eguavoen as Temporary Technical Adviser.

What do you guys think? Right move or wrong move?

Same Eguavoen that knocked us out of World Cup 2006 against Angola and lost the decisive match against Guinea that knocked us out of AFCON 2012 qualifiers which was blamed on SiaSia who was simply picking up a group that Eguavoen had already put us on the back foot. LEEEMAAAAO

Segedinho:
We had everything in the attacking department...

We we got ziyech and havetz anyway.

We had bakayoko..Barkley ..drinkwater ..joginho even Gilmour..

They were chased to accommodate the worst of them in joginho.

Saul has arrived..we still on the same story

Kovacic and Kante are there but miraculously one have to sit for the snail..

So TT is quite stupid to stick with "joginho forced" formation instead.

Either TT is a fool or joginho is using juju

Fred and McTominay must also be using juju at Man United.

Being unsellable does not make you important.

If a club has overspent and have too much stock in one department, they often have to make the best of what they have

If Jorginho was wanted, he will have been offered new contract since 2017, not being made available for transfer with no buyers. Being unsellable does not make you important. He is simply the best of a bad bunch of midfield stock we have.

Segedinho:
I know James is a very old player that can't learn anything or needed the mins just like Gilmour


I brought in bakayoko cos u chose strength over IQ in that role..he would have been tried maybe just once just like havetz was used in d striking role.

How can you go for a striker when you have 3 strikers but ignore d DM position when u have an incompetent snail.....?

Don't mention me with Bakayoko please.

I will repeat. The DM is being managed by community defence but you can't manage a striker not scoring.

Unlike Jogginhoe who nobody will sign, Chelsea was able to pick up money for Abraham and Giroud. One in, one out, that's how Chelsea do business.

Chelsea already have Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Barkley, RLC, Jorginho they can't sell in that midfield. In your business, will you keep buying the same item of stock without selling some?

Segedinho:
Lols.

He failed in a place where a snail like joginho excelled

Why was Gilmour loaned..if he is the only DM.

Bakayoko is a bit faster and has the stamina u are talking abt...it would have made sense to slot him in to chase players upadan like fred

Gilmour is a young player who needs minutes for his development.

Who do you know hate Bakayoko the most on this thread before we signed him and bet money on him flopping. If you talk, talk with sense, not throwing mud everywhere to whom it may concern.

TT spent his budget on Lukaku knowing he can take more risk not fixing the DM because of the community defence. Despite how useless Saul is, we are yet to lose with him on the pitch thanks to that community defence. That's called risk management. Also unlike Jogginhoe who nobody will sign, Chelsea was able to pick up money for Abraham and Giroud. One in, one out. Chelsea already have Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Barkley, RLC, Jorginho they can't sell in that midfield. In your business, will you keep buying the same item of stock without selling some?

Segedinho:
But if it specialist DM is bad...as a master tactician u manoeuvre abi.


Why was Gilmour sent to exile if he can easily slot in.

Does it mean that TT doesn't know he is the only specialist DM..


Giroud...Abraham wasn't given d vibe...havetz was used instead..


Why is no one used instead of joginho?

Saul was the contingency put in place but he fall hand, simple.

Besides as long as TT has his 3 man defence, even an amateur can be carried in DM while he solve the striker problem. It's harder to solve the striker problem without spending big money so you spend money on striker, bring in Saul on loan, knowing that the community defence will still manage the DM through if all fails.

airmark:
Macherano was faster than Jorginho, no need doing a speed test.

This is 2021, sluggish pivots get punished when faced with intense attacks, except in a team with over 1bn spent on other positions to cover up.

There's a reason Kante cupped multiple MOTM awards on the road to our UCL glory.

The two Epl matches Jorginho sat out this season, we won them. Get me a swift DM that knows his onions and i may not feel Kante's absence like i am now.

GBAM