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safarigirl:
England did not qualify for the U-17 World Cup in 2013, so, it is not likely we will find players from that crop doing much today. You can barely even find the team list online.


However, they were present at the tournament two years later, Trent-Alexander Arnold, Chris Willock and Tom Davies, seen to be the only players from the England 2015 U-17 team that have actual football careers, the others are playing for mediocre teams; I checked, to be sure.

Of those three, we all know, only TAA is EXCEPTIONAL. The likes of Tomori and these new age English players we have been bamboozled with so far, were never considered good enough for these U-17 team's.

Komekn this is for your information.

TheGoodJoe:
I think komekn is yet to address the bolded.

Instead he came here and started rolling out his usual names.

komekn:
I am a bit puzzled by your proposition.

Because all the U20 boys, l have mentioned are also the same England U17 of the same era

It's quite remarkable that a huge portion of them are Nigeria origin players. The 4/5 years time span you are talking about is with us NOW.

Tega Abrahams
Ovie Ejaria
Tega Onomah
Ademola Lookman
Fikayo Tomori
Seyi Ojo

I have not added all the other English players like Mason mount, Reece James, Calvert-Lewin, Lewis Cooke, Ainsley Maitland, Dominic Solanke, James Gomez, Kyle Walker-Peters, James Maddison, we could also add Adarabioyo and Iorfa who all fall into the same age grade.

All these players have come from the same age U17 / 20 grade teams and era you attempt to make comparison with.

So what is exactly is your point ❓ Because your comparison fails as these boys have Alll gone very far ahead in thier careers playing in the best clubs in the world.

Look at Yahaya, Eze and Nwakali and you are trying to make comparison, with these players mentioned above.

Oga none of those players you listed up there was part of the England U17 of 2017.

You are just calling the same names of players you have been calling here for the past 5 years

The narrative here is the National U17 team.

You are trying to shift goal post

Modified:
Ok let me make it easier for you.

Let's look at the U17 World cup squad that was 5years ago.

Name some of the graduates of the England 2015 U17 FIFA world cup squad and their Present club/status.

komekn:
They are all from the England U20 teams in that year 2017.

In general there is progression from U17 to U20 all those players progressed from U17 to U20. So what exactly is your point ❓

The context was progression of our U17 Eaglets of 2015 and how many of them have progressed in the broader sense. But in comparison to the England U17/20.

With regards to the bold what you have described is the structure and management of youth football in Europe. Again l am a bit perplexed at what you are trying to convey.

However, in comparison in Nigeria the football clubs are not the core sources of youth players. But a plethora of predominantly private youth academies across the nation. All with different agendas around player development.

But for the sake of it I'll go through just the forwards of the England 2017 U17 and where they are barely three years later. For you to make a comparison.

Rhian Brewster (Liverpool),
Philip Foden (Manchester City),
Callum Hudson Odoi (Chelsea),
Danny Loader (Reading),
Jadon Sancho (Borussia Dortmund),
Emile Smith Rowe (Arsenal)

All of them are progressing within football at an exceptional rate particularly Jadon Sancho. Most of these names are very well known to most of us, l am sure.

England U17 3 years ago right? Good.

In 2016 when you roll out the names of Manu's 2013 U17 you would see names like:

Kelechi Iheanacho (Manchester City)
Taiwo Awoniyi (Liverpool)
Musa Yahaya (Tottenham Hotspurs)
Chidi Nwakali (Manchester City)
Chidera Ezeh (FC Porto)
Isaac Success (FC Grenada)

Such was how they started, just like those your English boys, until a gradual regression started setting in.
Watch those your England U17 players and come back to this Argument in 4/5yrs time.

daveP:
Do you agree?


One must drop for Finidi abeg.


That bench though....

The person that arranged this setup, does he understand the positions these players played?

What is Taribo doing as best left back?
What is Yobo doing as best Right back?
What is Okocha doing as best Right winger?

Subzero047:
Imagine comparing U17 to U20 in career progression

Exactly, at U20 it becomes quite easier to identify players who may better progress to senior level compared to U17.

komekn:
I cannot agree or disagree with you because l really don't not know what your unit of measurement for success is.

With youth players in England playing at U17 and or U20. You can guarantee all of them will be signed with professional clubs and predominantly in the EPL.

Somebody said here that only 3 players from the U17 team of 2015. Are playing top level and or have been successful. Those players were, KC, Victor and Isaac Success.

If we look at the England U20 team of 2017.

Dominic Solanke
Dominic Calvert-Lewin
Tega Abrahams
Tega Onomah
Oviemuno Ejaria
Ademola Lookman
Fikayo Tomori
Seyi Ojo
Kyle Walker-peters
Ainsley Maitland
Jake Liam Clarke-Salter


This is to name a few who are progressing. In sense thier has been obvious progression for all these players.

To name a few.

However, they all have existing lucrative long term professional football contracts. Some of them like Eberechi, Oviemuno, Tega, Fikayo have been outstanding. Them some are just making money well a lot of it like Solanke.

Solanke should have been dropped ny now, but smaller clubs struggle to drop a player they have spent big money on. Even when he essentially flopped. So he may be given more time and opportunity to develop.

Oga, this thing is general and England is no exception. All those players you mentioned there are more of products from the English Club academies and from different years.

Pick up the names of the English U17 national team of 2013 and tell me where each player is today. That is what we are saying.

chrisooblog:
some people make it look as if failure to progress from youth football to having a successful senior career is a phenomenon unique to Nigeria. it's rare to find many players from a country that won a tournament progress to have outstanding careers eg French and Mexican team that won the 2001 and 2005 u17 respectively.
why Europeans tend to progress is because they have had an excellent football plus world class club facilities help them improve and reach. most African youngsters have no such luxury so no matter talented they might be it would take serious re-education and hard work to Polish that diamond in the Rough

Yes you are very right.

The first case with which you can identify the problem of progression is from the U17 to U20.
No country has ever won an U17 tournament and 2 yrs later they progressed to win the U20. No matter how much talented the teams were at U17. The lack of progression starts almost immediately after the U17 tournament.

It is a global thing my brother.

Danielnino00:
Where did things go wrong??


Iheanacho, Awoniyi and to Success seem to be the only member of that 2013 squad that have managed to stay at the top level for a while now..

Musa Yahaya is rotting away in Porto B.. Musa Muhammad Now Nwakali to Faroe Island!

Na wa....

Are those two even at Top level?

Kog45:
Hmm

I always remember your thought about youth players especially U17 that you will never based your assessment on youth glory of any player.

Kokmne also have the same thought on youth players that many of them fades before their prime.

Nwakilis brothers are still enjoying the glory of youth football

Egbon, you too have seen a lot in terms of youth football to easily want to come to this conclusion.

You have seen the various era of our quality Nigerian Youth players(U20s & U17s):
1983-1989
1993-1999
2000s
2013-2019.
You know how most of the graduates of the various teams have ended.

I have seen very obvious talents turn out average our go into oblivion. This particular statement I made a couple of years back, earlier when we first created this thread, turned me against many peeps here.

As highly talented as Manu's 2013 U17 were how many are in the Super Eagles today. Same for Amuneke's 2015 crop.

Youth football is what it is "Youth Football". A graduate of a Youth Team needs to work extremely hard, even with the immense talent, and also pray for Favor to be able to break into limelight as a senior team player.

Chidi Nwakali's case is just one of many. Some U17 graduates don't even end up playing Professional football.

Danielnino00:
How do u know that ?

Faroe Island has a population of just 52k ...

How can 52k people generate money for their league ??

Capacity of one standard stadium

Phemostiga4u:
[b][/b]
We Like Him' - Rohr Hints At Call-Up For Liverpool's Ex-England U20 World Cup-Winning Midfielder

Published: June 01, 2020



Liverpool-owned midfielder Ovie Ejaria is in line to receive his first-ever call-up to the Super Eagles, provided a one-time change of association from England to Nigeria is approved by FIFA before the next international window, Nigeria manager Gernot Rohr has hinted.


The London-born Ejaria trained with the Golden Eaglets class of 2013 that contained the likes of Taiwo Awoniyi, Kelechi Iheanacho and goalkeeper Francis Uzoho, but was omitted from the World Cup roster because coach Manu Garba had doubts about his physicality.


Four years later in South Korea, the Reading star was a member of the Young Lions squad that won the FIFA U20 World Cup and debuted for England U21s the following year in a friendly against Romania.


Asked to provide an update on Ovie Ejaria, Rohr told Channels Television : "This player is one of the players we are looking for, we are in touch with him.

"These players who have played already for the youth teams of other countries, there is a process to do. They have to write a letter to FIFA, they have to follow some rules to change.

"Ejaria is one of the players, we like him, and we could invite him. We have other ones, you know the names, I won't give you all the names.

"Players like him could have the chance and I hope we have some friendlies, you see the calendar now, it is very difficult to have friendlies because we have to do the qualifiers for the AFCON and World Cup, it will be difficult now to start the qualifiers in November.

"We need friendlies to test these players, and it will be good to do it in September."


This season, former Arsenal youth-teamer Ejaria has played 35 games for Reading, scoring three goals and has four assists to his name.


Ifeanyi Emmanuel


[b]
We Like Him' - Rohr Hints At Call-Up For Liverpool's Ex-England U20 World Cup-Winning Midfielder

Published: June 01, 2020



Liverpool-owned midfielder Ovie Ejaria is in line to receive his first-ever call-up to the Super Eagles, provided a one-time change of association from England to Nigeria is approved by FIFA before the next international window, Nigeria manager Gernot Rohr has hinted.


The London-born Ejaria trained with the Golden Eaglets class of 2013 that contained the likes of Taiwo Awoniyi, Kelechi Iheanacho and goalkeeper Francis Uzoho, but was omitted from the World Cup roster because coach Manu Garba had doubts about his physicality.


Four years later in South Korea, the Reading star was a member of the Young Lions squad that won the FIFA U20 World Cup and debuted for England U21s the following year in a friendly against Romania.


Asked to provide an update on Ovie Ejaria, Rohr told Channels Television : "This player is one of the players we are looking for, we are in touch with him.

"These players who have played already for the youth teams of other countries, there is a process to do. They have to write a letter to FIFA, they have to follow some rules to change.

"Ejaria is one of the players, we like him, and we could invite him. We have other ones, you know the names, I won't give you all the names.

"Players like him could have the chance and I hope we have some friendlies, you see the calendar now, it is very difficult to have friendlies because we have to do the qualifiers for the AFCON and World Cup, it will be difficult now to start the qualifiers in November.

"We need friendlies to test these players, and it will be good to do it in September."


This season, former Arsenal youth-teamer Ejaria has played 35 games for Reading, scoring three goals and has four assists to his name.


Ifeanyi Emmanuel


[/b]
We Like Him' - Rohr Hints At Call-Up For Liverpool's Ex-England U20 World Cup-Winning Midfielder

Published: June 01, 2020



Liverpool-owned midfielder Ovie Ejaria is in line to receive his first-ever call-up to the Super Eagles, provided a one-time change of association from England to Nigeria is approved by FIFA before the next international window, Nigeria manager Gernot Rohr has hinted.


The London-born Ejaria trained with the Golden Eaglets class of 2013 that contained the likes of Taiwo Awoniyi, Kelechi Iheanacho and goalkeeper Francis Uzoho, but was omitted from the World Cup roster because coach Manu Garba had doubts about his physicality.


Four years later in South Korea, the Reading star was a member of the Young Lions squad that won the FIFA U20 World Cup and debuted for England U21s the following year in a friendly against Romania.


Asked to provide an update on Ovie Ejaria, Rohr told Channels Television : "This player is one of the players we are looking for, we are in touch with him.

"These players who have played already for the youth teams of other countries, there is a process to do. They have to write a letter to FIFA, they have to follow some rules to change.

"Ejaria is one of the players, we like him, and we could invite him. We have other ones, you know the names, I won't give you all the names.

"Players like him could have the chance and I hope we have some friendlies, you see the calendar now, it is very difficult to have friendlies because we have to do the qualifiers for the AFCON and World Cup, it will be difficult now to start the qualifiers in November.

"We need friendlies to test these players, and it will be good to do it in September."


This season, former Arsenal youth-teamer Ejaria has played 35 games for Reading, scoring three goals and has four assists to his name.


Ifeanyi Emmanuel

I will take an Ejaria over a Billing.

TheSuperNerd:
Chidebere Nwakali moves to Faroe Islands.

His new club is called Ki Klaksvik in the Faroe Islands first tier.

Such a sad fall for a lad that was once attached to Man City.

Faroe Island

maidaboi:
whats your take on billing propaganda

That matter don dey laid to rest na.

*In TheGoodJoe's voice* it is FINISHED

forgiveness:
Okay na. Thanks.

Forgiveness you know say I miss you sha

There are days I will just sit and remember some of the arguments here and how emotions usually run hot and I will just laugh.

Good to see you man.
Trust you are good.

Kog45:
My Chief Chief

Man dey o.

How una side.

We hold this side tight o.

No just to dey pray make this Coro depart from us o. Make we enjoy life like normal again.

komekn:
Unfortunately, opportunity for black coaches in Europe is very limited .

Seyi Olifinjana has been coaching youth football at Wolves for about 5 years but there has been no progression beyond that.

Well, several factors could be responsible.
That may not necessarily mean Seyi is not doing well as a coach.

Olofinjana, during his playing days might not have been SE fans' favorite because of his relatively lack of technical ability but he was any coache's choice due to his tactical abilities.

Tactically more efficient players more usually end up being better coaches than technically gifted players.

Kog45:
Thanks the Law for your enlightenment on BRILLIANCE.

Don't mind Elyte the comedian.

Egboooooooon.....

I hail o. Longest time.

How every?

TheSuperNerd:
I'm fine Dad. Come on Dad... I'm first a son before a doc. Missed you Dad. Lol

Missed you too son.

Missed this great family here like kilode.

I cannot believe there will ever be a time that I will stay away from watching live football for over 2months!

E no go better for Coro ooo.

By now we for don dey discuss many things about the Super Eagles vs Sierra Leone double header. How those new invitees performed. How our players faired this season. Etc. Chai!

TheSuperNerd:
Good to see you all again. Really missed you guys and ladies of this great thread. Obviously missed some more than others but miss na miss. And it's super okay if you didn't miss me. But I'm back.

Thankfully football is gradually returning in full force so it won't be just the Bundesliga one gets to be filled with. But Dortmund vs Bayern was super fun to watch.

I believe we are getting to the point where this Covid-19 pandemic will be over but one must still be careful as it stands. Nigeria will not be where she is now with respect to the pandemic if we had acted fast and smart when we practically had only two cases two of which eventually recovered. We were slow and we are where we are now. But there is an end in sight. We just gotta keep doing things safely.

The right thing was done all over the world shutting down sports for a long while but it's good to see a gradual return of sports most especially the beautiful game of football. Still really pissed they ended the Ligue 1 just like that. Although Aulas, Lyon presido, for obvious reaosns, is still fighting to have that decision reversed.


Kudos to all who kept the thread going. Whatever discussion and debate or sometimes absolutely ridiculous arguments that was brought up to keep things going, I say kudos to all of una. Una do well.



And yes, lest I forget, I read Billing pursued my big awesome analyst friend and top man in here, TheGoodjoe to Finland. He claims he was "FINNISHed" by Billing. Lol

Well, on my way back to this thread, I stopped by at Finland with Yara Yara and we have successfully brought TheGoodJoe back from the "FINNISHed" State.

Oga Goodjoe, it is well okay. Don't allow small thing like this to FINNISH you again. And uhmmm... Guys, just free Billing.

Rejoice in TheGoodJoe's return from Finland.

How are you Doc

Meliforme:
Komekn,

You are one of the oldest member of this thread and you are still getting to know Safarigirl.

You highlighted her colourful imagination, but that is not all that she has in her locker.
Safarigirl has in her composition, most, if not all the attributions of a lawyer.

Her appreciations of the human psyche, her analysis and presentation of case scenarios and the intervening logical conclusions are top-drawer and very commendable.

She has also in her command, a very good memory.

Dear Komekn, Safarigirl is a good lawyer and she is doing what she has been crafted to do.

She hasn't chosen the wrong profession.

Anyone that wants have an argument with her must be ready all rounder.

safarigirl:
Wetin

Stop bastardising pidgin English

You and this your friend Komekn sef, una no go Kee person with laugh

awhybliss:
double-check you perceptions..
What could make an abortion-house, veterinary clinic, and gymnastics centers be declared essential! What happeno to the place of worship? Indirectly we prioritize abortion-houses(legal murder), veterinary clinic (animals) and gymnastics Houses (physical fitness) over a place of worship,
Can't measure be put in worship-places by the health organization as done in other places called essential?! The world need believers to collectively call on to God..
We don't have red-hotted Christian believers again, what we have "dominantly" are Christian with only (enhanced-theoritical) understanding of the WORD, most in degrees,PhD, JPs, bishops, fine!! It's good but never enough or relevant in the real-kingdom "business" ,... They believe in Christ, but doesn't have a grounded faith in Him, many believers including "pastors" of this age believes in their heart that God can do the impossible but they don't have the faith that it could be realistic in a real-world of today.. how would you limit God's power to say He cannot avert a pandemic miraculously?, to the point that will even bring every human jaw open down to obviously see this could only be done by God? Where's your Faith. These is why fake pastor and prophet are using other means to what we failed to do in the power of Jesus!
Believing isn't enough, we must excersie the faith.
These have been bothering me since the beginning of this pandemic, where most people look at frontliners as the game-changer and the only practical help to ending this pandemic (humanly speaking they are trying thier possible best by risking their lives), am not advocating for worship gathering, am just trying to wake concerned believers up that we put our faith to work if you want the world to experience the "inexplicable working God" and that we only have a supreme power that is behind the (science, technologies, government, wisdom of men, physical and spiritual)

Very simple. Places of worship are closed because they involve large gatherings.

Didn't even need to read through this whole epistle

Joebie:
It’s now irrelevant

You can read my past posts when it we entertained the possibility. But e go surprise me if u too cannot comprehend my posts

I no see your previous post.

Please drop it again here and please copy me.

Joebie:
The better prayer is we hope Denmark does not repeat that whitewash they dealt us in 1998. But this time with Billing in the thick of things haha. Can some one say a bigger Amen lol

Come Joebie, wetin be your own sef?

What value do you think Philip Billing can add to that SE midfield?

safarigirl:
I don't even know what they want to use him for.

Rohr just dey do like babe wey go buy okirika, those ones that will just carry an arm full of clothes, and hope there are some good picks out of the bunch.

It is not because Billing has one special talent, he is just the extra okirika in a bunch, and might very well be dropped if he is found to be defective, or doesn't fit what the coach wants.

Joebie wey dey talk say Rohr went after him, Rohr also went after Bryan Idowu and Bazee, are they part of the team today?

Ah....

This is Epic.

TheGoodJoe:
Welcome Boss. Hailing you all the way From Finland, watching the Finnish Eagles do their thing. After Billing Finished us. Now I understand the meaning of...

FINITO.

TheGoodJoe the Fin
Thanks bro.

But just take heart.

Na we wey just dey pursue foreign born kati-kati. If not who be Philip Billing? Person wey no go even fit make our first 11?

BTW where is forgiveness

No controversial team list to criticize abi

But why we allow Phillip Billings take us do shallooo like this?

safarigirl:
oga icon, thank you. You're not too late

Ow thanks Safari. Na as I see vote of thanks na

safarigirl:
Speaking of peng pictures....


I haven't dropped vote of thanks to you guys for the birthday wishes.


I want to thank each and every one of you, that celebrated me on my birthday. Your birthday wishes were very much appreciated, una do well.

Make I drop some of the peng pictures wey I snap for the birthday here. I apologise, in advance, for any MBs that may be lost, by my actions

Hope I am not too late.
Happy Birthday Sis. God bless you plentifully

do4luv14:
Now this one absent too long, my peole who had seen oga Icon4s


trust he is doing great

My brother I dey...
I read posts here even though i don't comment.

Thanks for checking on me.
How you doing?