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Babacele:
where are the Mods? When folks write trash that can cause violent reactions and nobody has called them to order leaves little to the imagination as to the NL official encouragement of some of these e - nonsense.

Are u saying ur hadiths are nonsense. Its all there.

basilico:
The story thus goes


Mariya was a Coptic maid to one of his wives named Hafsa.
One day Muhammad lies to Hafsa that her father wanted to see her. Dutifully she goes but on getting to her father he tells her there was no such thing .
She goes back home to the harem and what does she find? Prophet Muhammad in bed with her maid.
The prophet promises her that he will not touch Mariya again if only she keeps quiet. She does not. She tells the harem what the prophet was on to while she was away.
The harem becomes unhappy and grumbles.

Allah comes to his prophets aid and reveals a verse that the prophet should not suffer for what he desires.
Muhammad then vows to stay away from them for one month.
He also threatens to divorce all of them.
During that month he lives with Mariya Some sources day she got pregnant around that time.


. O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that
which Allâh has made lawful to you, seeking to
please your wives? And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving,
Most Merciful.

This prophet loved having sexxxx.

I know the story well. Notice how the "revelation" came just at the right moment telling him its okay to act on his desires.

vooks:
Mo found pagan Arabs worshipping rock and mindlessly he adopted it.
Abuamam, the English you converse with is borrowed from Englishmen who existed before you. This should be clear even to Labradors

LOL.. vooks.

English was originally the African language but the British and Americans corrupted it.

Then the great English King revealed to the swahilli professor at night in a dark classroom with no witnesses that Africans are the true English speakers even tho the languages in Africa is very different from English.

If u don't believe this u shall be beheaded (jk). Lol.. That's an analogy of abuamam and his fellow Muslims explanation for Islam.

Cc empiree rilwanye001 9jaforlife ezioauditore

EzioAuditore:
As I was reading through your post, the only thing that came to mind is that it takes one plug ugly Trollop to be this bitter. And judging by your post I'd say you're definitely a pillock, by every definition of the word. I was going to add that you're a Christian too but st*pid and christian go together so, it need not be said. Sassenach, nature really played a cruel trick on you.

U didn't address any issue, u rather chose to spew insults and rant. Mohammed will be proud of you. Now run along.

Abuamam:
You do not have to continually hold me on my honour as a Muslim. I state categorically that I NEVER lie to promote my religion. I say it as it is. Contrary to your oft-stated belief, I have no doubts that lying is strongly prohibited in Islam; and I will not risk the anger of my Lord, just to win an argument with ifeann and co. Furthermore, lying about Allah, or about His prophets, is the worst of the worst of all lies.

But we all know about al Taqiyya. The free pass given to Muslims to lie in an effort to propagate Islam. U may not be comfortable using it but several nairaland muslim use it.

Ibn Kathir on 3:28—Allah said next, (unless you indeed fear a danger from them) meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.'' Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, "The Tuqyah (al Taqiyya) is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.''

Of course, and I repeat, many Islamic scholars give their OPINIONS that zhul Qarnayn is Alexander the great.

Thanks for confirming I said the truth. Mind u these are Arab Islamic scholars of the highest Islamic calibre and not abuamam, rilwanyne001, tola9ja or any other African self appointed Islamic defender on nairaland.

Many believe it is Cyrus the great. Some say it is Heraclius. Others favour the prophet Sulaiman (as). I am sure you can google the info and find this out yourself. All are unsubstantiated opinions. I never denied that. I just said that these are not based on any id from the Quran itself or any authentic hadith... as you well know. The scholars or historians merely point out to similarities between the travels of zhul Qarnayn, and whichever historic figure they personally favour. The mere fact that there are so many opinions,pshould prove to you that there are no Islamic sources that clarify the id of zhul Qarnayn. The term zhul Qarnayn itself is not a name. It is a description, implying a 2-horned helmet perhaps or coat-of-arms. Allah knows best.

This is ur attempt to correct Mohammed and his Islamic allah, devout Arab Muslims scholars will not like this. The consensus is that the quran was talking about Alexander the great. Do u want links to articles from Arab Islamic scholars. ??

1-2. Yes, the Kaaba and the black stone had been damaged by infighting among different Muslim sects. The damage was always UNINTENTIONAL.Allah did not punish them because He knew their intentions were never to damage the Kaaba.

Okay it was unintentional damage and allah didn't mind. This is ur answer. Okay.
Empiree and 9jaforlife this is ur scholars reply. Allah didn't mind.

anyway why are Muslims always fighting, ur history is soaked in blood. Since u Muslims murdered your own prophets grand kids and Till this very day. What is the fight about.

nowhere did I or anyone else state that the Kaaba was indestructible, or that the black stone has any special powers. It is just a stone that was brought down by Adam (as) as a reminder of the paradise that he lost due to his disobedience,

I won't argue about ur myth of it being sent to Adam. But I will ask If its not a special stone why then do u apotheosize it. What is the benefit.

3. The pagans took the rites from the prophets Ibrahim and Ismail (pbut), corrupting it to include the worship of their newly imported gods. The prophet (saw) purified it of those introduced idols and restored it to the worship of the Almighty Allah alone.

where is the proof. The torah never says this. Despite being thousands of years older than the quran and compiled by different ancient Jewish prophets and historians .

4. Xtian and jewish beliefs are in themselves, corruptions of the faiths taught by the prophets Jesus and Moses (pbut) respectively. The prophet (saw) was sent to correct the corrupted faith. We cannot say whether or not circumnambulation of any site was a part of those faiths or not.

Emmmm. Please Listen to me carefully, u too empiree and 9jaforlife, The "people of the book" Jews and Christians got the torah and gospel centuries before Islam was invented and in it there is nothing like kaaba or circumnambulation, kissing the black stone or other pagan rituals.

But Mohammed who is known to pick practices from different religions in an effort to win followers comes and says this pagan practises are actually okay as practised by the pre Islamic pagan religions. His tribe inclusive, even tho such does not exist in thousands of years of Jewish history in the OT and NT, torah and gospel. Doesn't this seem suspicious.??

We cannot say if the version of Islam revealed to Moses mandated 5 daily prayers,

On the contra we can see exactly what God revealed to Moses, and it wasn't any version of Islam. The mosaic laws and old law as contained in the pentateuch are very precise. Their are over 600 laws and none says pray 5 times a day. In the Gospel, christ says pray without ceasing and this is how true Christianity is. U live ur life like a prayer. 5 is not a magic number.

though some verses in the OT seem to indicate that the Israelites seemed to perform rites that are very similar to the current Islamic salat.

Yes Jews were doing a ritual cleansing similar to what Islam copied thousands of years later and not the other way round. This ritual cleansing was criticised by Christ as being hypocrisy.

All we say is that each prophet, and there were thousands; was sent to his people with his own version of Islam, based on similar basic principles... ie Monotheism, and obedience to societal and spiritual laws revealed by Allah. So those prophets sent to the precursors of the Hindus,might have taught their people the circumnambulation as an act of monotheistic worship, and they kept the tradition, as Meccans did; after their prophets died and they had turned to idol worship.

So u are claiming allah sent prophets to the ancestors of the pagan Hindus. So Islamic allah also inadvertently started Hinduism. When I ask these questions again u will claim u have already answered them, but ur answers so far has been as faceticous as it has been absurd.
I will ask u again, how does walking around a former pagan stone in war torn middle east constitute worshipping the God of the universe.

5. Asking why 7times instead of 3 or 5 is neither here nor there. Allah knows best why He mandated 7. If He had mandated 12, you would still say why 12? This is a silly waste of time. No doubt it has benefits for us, since ALL laws mandated by Allah are beneficial. We are imperfect and cannot know all that God knows. Sufficient for us is that we submit to Allah's commands... be they 7 or 17.

Is 7 a magic number or ancient pagan superstition or will u just say "allah knows best"

6. Well, I don't know if you are correct in that assertion. I prayed close to the Imams Sudaisy, Shuraim and others when in the mosque on many occasions. I was not barred from standing quite close to their position; maybe 2 or 3 lines behind. If what you say is true, I can suggest that maybe royalty may be seperated for security reasons. This argument too is neither here nor there. The Saudi royals are not gods or prophets. They can make laws that are unIslamic, or based on their ijtihad; which may be wrong. No human is perfect.

At least u admit the inequality rift in Saudi even amongst Muslims in a supposedly "holy" place. This is the type of nonsense u see in "mushroom churches" who put high paying members in the front sits. If silly "mushroom church" behaviour is found in the highest place in Islam then u aren't any better.

Please address my questions if u can and if u can't then renounce Islam.

barnacle:
ignorance.m sure dats not d only.verse in d Quran.evry word wrytn hs its own meanin..u lukin at d peripheral
meaning...

Console urself with that reply if it pleases u. U have been warned.

Ovacoma:
do u know dead Muslims are buried facing d black stone?

Black stone or kaaba??

I have not across this info. I try to keep my interest on living Muslims and not dead ones.

Any hadith or quran verse instructing on this.??
Cc abuamam.

Abuamam:
As I said, all this is mere speculation. The Quran merely says that there was a man called or described as zhul Qarnain. The Quran narrated some of the man's travels. Scholars and historians then brought forward their personal opinions on who it could be; and you want to foist their opinions on us as being part of the Quran... knowing clearly that it is not. Bring your evidence that the Quran or any authentic hadith points to Alexander the great as zhul Qarnayn.

Now abuamam, before I reply u, are u going to tell me you have NEVER seen any suggestion or opinion from an Islamic source that Zul Qarnain was Alexander the great. On ur "honor" as a muslim will u answer this honestly.


Modified:

While u think of how to answer that pls think of these as well.

1.The Ka'aba was destroyed at least twice after Muhammad's death.
Why didn't Islamic Allah send birds to protect the Ka'aba then?
2.The Black Stone in the Ka'aba has been struck and smashed by a stone fired from a catapult, it has been smeared with excrement, stolen and ransomed by the Qarmatians, and smashed into several fragments.
Why did Islamic Allah not protect this important 'holy' stone from desecration and damage?
3.Why do Muslims follow the pre-Islamic pagan practice of circling the Ka'aba (Tawaf)?
Is Islamic Allah okay with paganism ?
4.Do you think it's strange that Judaism and Christianity (the religions of those who are considered People of the Book) do not practice ritual circumambulation (e.g. circling the Ka'aba) to please God, but pre-Islamic Arab Paganism and Hinduism and Buddhism (religions older than Islam and accused by Islam of “paganism”) do practice ritual circumambulation?
where the pagan religions and Islam right and the monotheist Jews and Christians wrong?
5.Why do you have to circumambulate the Ka'aba seven times? Why not just once? Why not eight or six times? And why only in a counter-clockwise direction?
Isn't this strange?? Its like licking ur ice cream counter clockwise 7Times, does it improve the flavour ??
6.Whenever royalty or important persons come to the Ka'aba, security give them a special place for prayer in the hateem.
Why is there such inequality at the Ka'aba? Seems Islamic Allah has favourites
7.There are hundreds of cleaners at the Ka'aba who regularly clean away pigeon droppings.
If the Masjid al-Haram is truly holy, why does Allah allow birds to, quite frankly, sh.it on it?

Abuamam:
All answered in a previous comment. Don't repeat yourself.

All u did in that comment was reaffirm ur pagan practise, u didn't answer WHY you do then, u merely STATED that u do them; with the exception of covering the kabba from getting destroyed by the "elements", the only building people bow to that is covered in cloth because you Islamic god can't protect it from the "elements" wow!! Later u will claim u refuted my posts.

By the way why do u kiss the black stone, u skipped it.0

Abuamam:
Historically established! Aha, now I see where you went wrong. Historians said zhul Qarnayn is Alexander the great? Did the Quran or any authentic hadith say zhul Qarnayn was Alexander the great? In that case, what I contradicted was the historians... not the Quran.

Actually, most scholars believe it was Cyrus the great. The Quran is silent on the identity. Everything here is mere mortal speculation. Could be right or could be wrong. Even your assertion that he was a prophet or messenger of Allah has no backing in the Quran or authentic hadith; that I know of.

I didn't know Muslims now want to claim Cyrus the great as a muslim since Alex d great didn't work out.

But I wonder why the quran didn't point to cyrus the great clearly as Zul Qarnain since he was even more appreciated and respected by the Jews before the advent of Islam.



U know a lot of scholars, even Islamic scholars suggest Zul Qarnain is Alexander the great because of the evidence contained in ur quran and hadiths but unfortunately this can be debated because quran has its skewed dissimilar Arabic names for everyone including blasphemously claim Lord Jesus, was isa and Gabriel as jubril.

May God forgive you for hardening you heart to truth.

shahydbinaliyu:
pele... i can feel your pain... seeing the inside of Khabah proved all the trashy believe you have about islam void.. the truth hurt you so much that you can't take it... pele.. sorry ehn...


abeg we need more conspiracy theories to debunk... we getting bored...

thanks

Can't take what??

Lol. This one is slow.

Did u even read what I said.

Everybody who knows Islam, knows inside the kaaba is as empty as Islam.
The kaaba itself is ur idol. However Muslims venerate, revere and apotheosize it

Who does not know the kaaba has nothing inside. Do u think Christians presume u have voodoo objects inside.

The kaaba is ur shrine and idol.

Why do u circumvent it. What's the reason. Can u answer that.
Why do u bow towards it.
Why do u kiss the black stone.
Why is it dressed in black
What does that do to ur soul except bond u to paganism.

chiedu7:
Anglican Church UK acknowledges Mohammed in succession of prophets.
This is all leading to the Anti-Christs one world religion.

Mohammed cannot be of God, because the bible is clear if you deny Jesus you are an ANTI-CHRIST.

Mohammed denies Jesus.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

https://archbishopcranmer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Mohammed-WAbbey3b.jpg

READ
http://archbishopcranmer.com/westminster-abbey-acknowledges-mohammed-in-succession-of-prophets/

Truly an abomination.

barnacle:
Muhmed(saw)never denied Jesus..get ur facts right.am half xtian and half muslm,and there was never a time Jesus ws denied by the prophet...Jesus is recognised as Isa in the Holy Quran

U have been decieved

Qur'an 3:54—And they (the unbelievers) planned to deceive, and Allah planned to deceive (the unbelievers), and Allah is the best of deceivers.

Qur'an 7:99—Are they then safe from Allah's deception? No one feels safe from Allah's deception except those that shall perish.

Qur'an 8:30—And (remember) when the unbelievers plotted deception against you (O Muhammad), to imprison you, or kill you, or expel you. They plotted deception, but Allah also plotted deception; and Allah is the best of deceivers.

Quran calls Allah a makr, in fact the best makrthere is:
But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroowamakara AllahuwaAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30
Other texts that identify Allah as a makrinclude:
Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)save folk that perish. S. 7:99
So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme (Wamakaroo makran wamakarna makran),while they perceived not. S. 27:50

The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define the term as:
Miim-Kaf-Ra= To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem.
makaravb.


And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers." (S. 3:54, Muhammad Ahmed-Samira)

"And when those who disbelieved deceive/scheme at you to affix/affirm you, or kill you, or bring you out, and they scheme/deceive, and God deceives/schemes and God (is) best (of) the deceivers/schemers." (S. 8:30, Muhammad Ahmed-Samira)



The phrase is often translated into English as "best of planners," "best of schemers," or "best of plotters," but the root word (makr) means "deception." Hence, the following Qur'an verses should be rendered as follows:
Qur'an 3:54—And they (the unbelievers) planned to deceive, and Allah planned to deceive (the unbelievers), and Allah is the best of deceivers.

Qur'an 7:99—Are they then safe from Allah's deception? No one feels safe from Allah's deception except those that shall perish.

Qur'an 8:30—And (remember) when the unbelievers plotted deception against you (O Muhammad), to imprison you, or kill you, or expel you. They plotted deception, but Allah also plotted deception; and Allah is the best of deceivers.

Since the Bible declares that Satan is the father of lies (John 8:44), the question must be raised: Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?”


Muslims don't believe that jesus paid the price of christains sins yet their hadith teaches them this;

Sahih Muslim 6666--Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: No Muslim would die but Allah would admit in his stead a Jew or a Christian in Hell-Fire.

Sahih Muslim 6668--Allah's Messenger [said]: There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with as heavy sins as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them and He would place in their stead the Jews and the Christians.

I have to warn u Muslims that christains And jews can't take away your sins. . We don't have that power. U were lied to.
Only Christ can do this, only he can take ur sins away. Please accept him

muslims mohammed lied you . jesus+ died for you ♡.

delishpot:
So, some muslims have been standing up against terrorists but the press shows us what they want us want to see.


http://www.churchpop.com/2014/09/03/iraqi-muslim-tv-host-breaks-tears-plight-christians/

Muslims are not doing nearly anything significant to stand up against extremism. The host cried ... And so. ?

Its human nature to cry when u see headless bodies of Kurdish babies or any other, raped yazidi women or any other, butchered Iraqi Christian men or any other.

Muslims may be Muslims but they are also human and they have a conscience.


What is the league of Arab nations doing about isis, Bh, al queda, al nusra, the Taliban, the wahabis. Etc.

The closest Muslims have come to fighting terror is when the shia Iranians bombed the sunni ISIS and the sunni Saudi bombed the shia houtis in Yemen. That is all.

Abuamam:
Alexander the great was a pagan. I did not say he is a Muslim.

Islam teaches us that its practice has been in existence in one form or the other, since the creation of mankind. I understand your pain; seeing as xtianity cannot make any claims beyond Saul/Paul. The facts however, remain facts; "though the disbelievers hate it". Calling the comment 'illogical', detracts nothing from its truth. Islam was the first religion on earth. Any other religions (including xtianity), can only be Satan-corrupted practices of the true faith.

You just contradicted ur prophet and his quran.

Alexander the great was a pagan. I did not say he is a Muslim.

According to the Quran (Surah 18:89-98) Alexander the Great / Zul Qarnain was a devout Muslim and lived to a ripe old age. Historical records however show that Alexander the Great died young at 33 years of age (356 - 323 B.C.), and believed he himself was divine, forcing others to recognize him as such. In India on the Hyphasis River (now Beas) Alexander erected twelve altars to twelve Olympian gods showing he was not a monotheist.

Zul Qarnain in the Qur'an who was regarded as prophet/ rasool but historically is established as Alexander the great (even Islamic scholars say he is Alexander the great) and muslims believe that all prophets and rasools were muslims or at least monoheists or they had tauheed belief. Alexander the Great was a historic Legend during Mohammeds time and being lair Mohammed , he claimed him as an honorary Muslim.

vooks:
Do you ever think before posting?
When Allah is cornered stealing pagan rituals, it is pagans who perverted the true religion and she/he is just restoring it.
When Allah is cornered DISTORTING, defiling and rewriting history with blatant lies such as Alexander the Great being Muslim, this is 'factual' only that it was totally lost (zero prior historical records ) of the same and he/she is now revealing it.

So whether you cook and distort history or you plagiarize paganism, you are always right

You may as well tell us that Mohammed was the original iPad manufacturer and Steve Jobs merely REDISCOVERED them

Ifeann, abeg come and breath some sense into this primate

Vooks u are a very clever guy. ..I noticed Abuamam 's illogical comment which u highlighted but I decided to ignore him. Common sense won't help him see the flaw in his statement nor the falsehood of Islam.

Muslims love to change history and give everything their esoteric meaning. They also claim that most of the worlds inventions are possible because of the efforts of Muslims during the height of their now dead caliphate. They claim the "kaffir" only improved on the sciences and stopped them from making progress.
At a point Muslims used to claim they invented the numerals because its frequently called Arab numerals but in actual fact numerals were invented by Hindu Arabs and Muslims almost destroyed the early manuscripts just as ISIS is destroying world heritage sites and Iraqi and assyrian cultural history in territories they control .