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mustymatic:
If u only learn about Islam in the media, u will only learn nothing bt hate... Islam is wat Muslims shud do not wat they do

I am very skeptical about mainstream media.

Fox is heavily critical of Muslims.

CNN is blinded by political correctness and Are heavily dependent on ads by middle east Emirates.

Al jazeera is an Islamic establishment with a very biased pro Islamic agenda and heavily critical of the west.

So u can't trust this sources for information. But wht u can do is read the quran And hadiths and see undiluted evil taught to Muslims. If all Muslims become devout/ truly Islamic, we will have an ISIS in every Islamic community beheading innocent folks.

Abuamam:
La ilaha illa Allah... there is no Diety worthy of worship ; except Allah!

If you only knew what an average Muslim would think of this your comment above...

Reminds me of the saying: "Better to remain silent and be suspected of foolishness than to open your mouth and dispell all possible doubt."

Why did u say

La ilaha illa Allah... there is no Diety worthy of worship ; except Allah!

Did my comment shake your faith that much that u needed to recite that.

Look dude. Can u give us one reason;

1. why u circle the kaaba in a ritual mirroring that of the clearly pagan Hindus.

2. Can u also say why u dress up the kaaba in a black hijab

3.Can u tell us the significance of kissing a black dirty stone.

4. Can u tell us why u bow towards the kaaba

All idolatry that u deny.

Abuamam:
...especially since it negates our cherished xtian belief that the Kaaba is full of idols and fetish objects. We do not want to see any disturbing evidence that will negate that belief.

Everybody who knows Islam, knows inside the kaaba is as empty as Islam.


The kaaba itself is ur idol. However Muslims venerate, revere and apotheosize it, even more than roman Catholics that choose to venerate statues.

U Muslims considered the kabba a woman and dress "her" in black "hijab", .and after doing ur circling and chanting u kiss the black stone. If u do NOT see the idolatry in this then common sense will not make u renounce Islam. My Brother in humanity don't tell us its harmless fun. Its disgusting idolatry period.

Cc shahydbinaliyu, Rilwayne001, empiree

vooks:
Try some thinking.
Is there any mention of Abraham traveling to Mecca ANYWHERE outside and before Quran?

Allah was a not so clever fiction writer


Cc Ifeann

The illegitimate Arabs what to be associated with Abraham the legitimate father of the Jews so much that they make up stories.

Do u know that Muslims believe that Alexander the great, a pagan, is considered a Muslim, from the hadiths, because in 7th century Arabia his legend was greatly admired. But today we know he was a pagan from historical records and he considered himself a demigod.


The quran itself is a fictitious book, filled with many fallacious claims ...just a bunch of words by a bipolar Mohammed ranting about killing people and punishment from his idol if u don't pledge allegiance to him.

A suspected Islamic terrorist's plans to mount attacks on French churches were thwarted when he accidentally shot himself and called an ambulance, leading to the discovery of loaded guns, bulletproof vests and chilling notes about his intended targets, authorities said Wednesday.
French police believe the 24-year-old Algerian native was planning an imminent attack Sunday on one or more French churches in Paris when he shot himself, France’s top security official announced Wednesday. The suspect, who was not named, is a computer science student who was flagged as a risk by security officials last year, said Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve. He is also accused in the death of a young mother.
A French security official, who was not authorized to publicly release details, said the suspect was arrested in Paris after he apparently shot himself by accident and called for an ambulance. He was waiting outside for first aid when police arrived at the scene.
Sources told AFPthat the suspect was found Sunday with a bullet in his leg and said he was wounded in some sort of dispute. The man was treated for a leg wound and remained hospitalized on Wednesday.
Police who arrived at the scene found a blood trail leading to his car, with loaded kalashnikov rifles, bulletproof vests and notes about potential targets inside.


Inside the car, authorities also discovered flashing blue lights that can fix magnetically to car roofs and orange “Police” armbands used by French plainclothes officers, RTL radio reports, according to France 24.
Documents in Arabic found in the suspect's apartment had links to Al Qaeda and the Islamic State, French Prosecutor Francois Molins said. The suspect was given an order by an accomplice in Syria to target a Christian church, he added, and will be kept in custody for at least six days.
The documents "established beyond doubt that the individual was planning an imminent attack, probably on one or two churches," Cazeneuve said, according to Reuters. In the man's apartment, in southeastern Paris, more weapons were found as well.
Aurelie Chatelain, a 32-year-old Frenchwoman visiting Paris for a training session for her work, was found shot to death on Sunday morning in her car. The security official said Chatelain appeared to have been killed at random and ballistics evidence linked her death to the suspect.
"Our thoughts and sorrow are with her relatives, her family, and her daughter now deprived of her presence,” Cazeneuve said.
Chatelain came to the area from northern France to take a pilates course and had written on Facebook the night before her death how happy she was to be there, AFP reports.
Her body was discovered by passersby as smoke poured out of her car from an overheating laptop.
Cazeneuve said the suspect had previously come to the attention of French authorities as possibly wanting to travel to Syria, Reuters reports.
Police made checks on the suspect in 2014 and this year, but did not find anything to warrant a further investigation.
France has been on edge since the Jan. 7-9 attacks on the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo and a kosher supermarket left 20 people dead, including the three gunmen.
An attack on a church would mark a new type of target in France, where Jewish sites have been under increased protection since both the 2012 attack on a Jewish school and the killings at the kosher supermarket. But extremists have targeted Christians in the Middle East, most recently on Sunday when a video showed Islamic State militants in Libya killing groups of captive Ethiopian Christians and another released in February showing the deaths of captured Egyptian Christians.
"The terrorists target France to divide us," Prime Minister Manuel Valls said Wednesday after leaving a top government meeting.
The thwarted attack was announced hours before Cazeneuve met with executives from top Internet companies, including Google and Twitter, to talk about the government's plan to increase online surveillance and block jihadi propaganda.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/04/22/france-arrests-extremist-for-terror-plot-on-churches/

shahydbinaliyu:
If any Christian could show me where In Bible Jesus attended church....


also where In Bible Jesus collect tithes


also where In Bible where Jesus read Bible


and also if you can show me the original scripture of Old Testament and New Testament... so as to check the translation in which cause Bible to be versioned ... i would love to try and translate to original words and submit to pastor for cross checking and make bible just 1.. so as to be like quran..


and also i will like to know how jesus worship God.. .

If any Christian could show me where In Bible Jesus attended church....

Jesus attended the Jewish synagogue before it was time for his mission on earth. He then preached the Gospel for 3 years before being crucified by people who claimed he blasphemied for sayiing he was the Son of God(as prophesied in isaiah 53) . However, he established the Christian church as contained in this verse (amongst others).

Matthew 16:13-20King James Version (KJV)
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea
Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do
men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the
Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one
of the prophets.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I
am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art
the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him,
Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and
blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my
Father which is in heaven.


18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter,
and upon this rock I will BUILD MY CHURCH; and the
gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the
kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt
bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and
whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be
loosed in heaven.
20 Then charged he his disciples that they should
tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

also where In Bible Jesus collect tithes

Jesus came to give not collect. He gives salvation. Many churches, particularly the orthodox churches don't collect tithes. They depend on freewill donations. Some others collect tithes, especially the contemporary ones. However giving is expected of us Christians, give to charity and to the church.

also where In Bible where Jesus read Bible

This is like asking a Jew, show me in the torah where Abraham or Moses read the torah or read the old testament. Infact as a muslim can u show me where Mohammed was reading the quran in the quran.

and also if you can show me the original scripture of Old Testament and New Testament... so as to check the translation in which cause Bible to be versioned ... i would love to try and translate to original words and submit to pastor for cross checking and make bible just 1.. so as to be like quran..

Google it. Tonnes are available online.

and also i will like to know how jesus worship God.. .

This is how Christ told us to pray and worship God,

Matthew 6:9-13
9 “This, then, is how you should pray:
“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, [ a ]
but deliver us from the evil one.

However Mohammed says allah has ONLY slaves. Here is one of Mohammeds quotes

Say (O Muhammad SAW): “OMy slaveswho believe (in the Oneness of Allah Islamic Monotheism), be afraid ofyour Lord(Allah) and keep your duty to Him. Good is (the reward) for those who do good in this world, and Allah's earth is spacious (so if you cannot worship Allah at a place, then go to another)! Only those who are patient shall receive their rewards in full, without reckoning.” S. 39:10 Al-Hilali&Khan

He never refers to people as God's children only Islamic allah's slaves.

So ponder on these brief answers to ur questions. I don't expect u to become Christian after reading it, pray that God guides you to the truth.

shahydbinaliyu:
you at it again.. you and your false claims.. how many times will we correct you on this apostate beheading issue.. you have learnt alot here about Islam and you know it's the truth. accepting truth is the only way to save yourself. stop thinking about what people will think about you if you revert to Muslim. nobody really cares about anybody. . it's gunna be you alone in the grave.. if you not a Muslim, it's gunna be hard for you down there..

you acting just like the jews who hate jesus for no reasonable reason..

please read Aramaic Bible (original Bible) that's where bible In English was translated from. read it and see truth about everything you don't believe nor understand...



peace

shahydbinaliyu u sincerely think u are correct but u have believed a lie.

I rather be with Christ in heaven witnessing the Glory of God , than with Mohammed drinking wine, eating dates and having sex with virgin houris in his imaginary paradise with his Islamic al.lah.

Please can u repost ur attempted rebuttal to the apostasy law. I sincerely want ur view on it ,tho, its expected to be esoteric. I haven't seen it. I quoted ur authentic sahih hadith, I would like to see who u quote.


Again u said the aramaic bible is the original, but for weeks u said it was the Greek translation. I let u to continue in ur ignorance because I wasn't ready to argue on such an elementary issue. What u don't know or refuse to acknowledge is that the original manuscripts are all available and they number in the tens of thousands and they all say the same thing "Jesus is Lord, Son of God".

You said

you acting just like the jews who hate jesus for no reasonable reason..

I guess u mean my views on Mohammed. Well I don't hate Mohammed but I detest his deeds and lies.

I often say amongst other things that Mohammed was a pagan sex addicted slave trader mass murderer illiterate Arab paedophile.
Was he a pagan. Yes, most likely.
For example;
1. Mohammed's Pagan father was called Abdullah, which means slave of Allah long before Mohammed started Islam.
2. The crescent moon and star is seen high above almost every mosque not to mention the moon god was allegedly one of the 360 gods of the kabba.
3. The muslim obsession with black clothes.
4. The Islamic black flag.
5. The kissing of the black stone done by Muslims which was started by Mohammed for no apparent reason.
6. The circling of the kabba.
7. Compulsory pilgrimage for Muslims which was done by pagans in mecca before Islam.
8. Bowing down and facing mecca when praying. Etc
9. Cultural Superstitions and unfounded hate for wall geckos, dogs(mans best friend), cats etc
All these are some of the red flags that indicate that there maybe more to Islam than meets the eye. These pagan practises are not seen in Judaism and Christianity which Mohammed claims are people of the book and says he is one of their "prophets". Could Islam be the worlds largest monotheistic pagan religion. Let's look at more evidence.
2.sex addict, yes certainly.
The quran and hadiths are filled with his relationships with his 11 - 13 wives, including sex with his sex slaves. It is everywhere in ur quran and hadiths.
3. slave trader.
Do I need to remind u of all the hadiths of him trading slaves including his exchange of 2 black slaves for one Arab slave ..etc
Here are some reminders for you from ur sources;
Bukhari (34:432)- Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked also asked about Reproduction interruptus.
Bukhari (47.765)- A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave).
Bukhari (34:351)- Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader.
4. mass murderer:
ï won't go into details in this because u know the truth from ur hadiths.
Let me remind u of some quran verses.
Quran 8:39. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do."
Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."
5. illiterate:
Muslims are the ones who tell me he was illiterate and he managed to recite the quran, this is in an effort to prove he was a prophet.
6. Arab:
Mohammed was an Arab or was he African.
7. Paedophile: yes he was, he married to Aisha and consummated the the marriage when she was nine years. Several Muslims say it was allowed in the Arab culture back then but I ask is it moral or right. ??
Look I don't even think Mohammed was an illiterate, I also think he was an intelligent man. I get offended when people call him names like silly or silly or any thing disparaging his intellect or not backed up by facts.
I also think Mohammed was brave and fearless. But these attributes do NOT make him a true prophet. Hilter, Stalin etc also had these attributes.

shahydbinaliyu:
If you wanna know anything about Islam or Prophet Muhammad, just do your research.. we are tired of refuting your conspiracy theories.. seems you have run out of conspiracy theories that's why you bring the one we have answered countless times.. better accept Islam instead of beating around the bush in which you know you are lost...

no shame in accepting the truth ...

You Muslims like to invite people to Islam but always avoid to mention that if one chooses to renounce Islam, they will get beheaded.

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." — Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17 ”

Hi mods can this be moved to the Islam for muslim section. OAM4J, emusmith

9jaforlife:


Dear sir,- or is it ma?

If you do really want to make headlines, try and be honest for once- just once!


Ifeann aka parisbookaddict aka male aka female, Minister for TWISTING AND LYING, how market?

I have been as honest as I can as well as Trying my best not to misrepresent Islam and stating what the quran and hadiths say about Mohammed .

Can u be honest and answer these yes or No questions.

Did Mohammed sleep with a child, 9 year old
Aisha?YES/NO
Did he kill people?YES/NO
Did Mohammed command his followers to fight people based on their beliefs?YES/NO
Did he sleep with slaves?YES/NO
Did he command his followers to sleep with captives their right hand possess?YES/NO
Did Mohammed marry more wives than Islamic Allah permits Muslims?YES/NO
Did he perform any miracles?YES/NO
Did he contradict himself?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he permit the murder of his critics?YES/NO
Did herapewomen during after war, which he
called war booty?{I.e Slave-girls as sexual property}YES/NO
Did he permit Muslims to beat their wives? {Even if but lightly}YES/NO
Did he ask people to drink camel piss for good health?YES, HEALTHY/NO, HE DIDN'T
Did Mohammed say apostates should be killed?YES & I CONCUR / YES, BUT I DON'T CONCUR / NO, HE COULDN'T HAVE!

Waiting for ur HONEST answers.

Empiree:
You see, when it comes to that Bible verse, it wasnt mistake. She simply did not know about it. She later read her Bible and realized it was there. And yes, if she had quoted a verse of Quran like that and I denied, oh my God, hell of "attaqiyah" would loose on NL. She's a pain in the neck.

Did I deny I didn't know about the verse. Nope. I didn't. So what's ur point.

9jaforlife:
All Bull S*hit!!

Doesn't change a thing about my post.



- If it was E.mpiree who wrongly claimed that a word from the Quran wasn't there, you'd have made a storm in a teacup, you'd have said it was an intentional lie!

-You ALWAYS ridicule people for making the slightest mistake in their posts, while you make worse mistakes yourself. Only that when you do, you have a readymade excuse to defend yourself, but never consider that the same could apply to those you're judging


- Empiree dealt with you

Yes I used to point out grammatical errors, However, some people may not write correctly but they STILL DO make some sense, so I prefer to refrain.

However, I don't hesitate to point out the errors on those who don't construct their comments properly or use proper tenses as well as don't make sense. .
My very few spelling mistakes are very often because of the autocorrect errors from when I use my droid phone, I have pointed this out to u before.

You also said

- If it was E.mpiree who wrongly claimed that a word from the Quran wasn't there, you'd have made a storm in a teacup, you'd have said it was an intentional lie!

This is very false. infact I have often told u Muslims to read your quran in 21th century English and not 7th century classical Arabic (which u recite). Many of u read the quran but don't know the verses in ur language. So I expect many Muslims not to know several verses I quote. Its not a big deal.

9jaforlife:
Kai, you dealt with this girl (Ifeann aka parisbookaddict) today o!

In this comment that she posted...


-Ifeann aka parisbookaddict


Can you imagine that she stated categorically above that the verse contained 'foul words' without knowing that it's from the bible



Now she's claiming that she's not perfect. If it happened the other way round, she would have littered NL with the claim that you lied purposely to slight her. Now she says she's not perfect- if only she had the conscience to treat others with the same leniency! This is the same person that commits grammatical blunders but never misses the chance to make jest of others when they err. She is a perfect definition of anti-christ, always doing the exact opposite of what Jesus preached!!!

Uda.tso accused me yesterday of what I didn't do, when he apologised I accepted, didnt make a fuss thereafter.

Empiree pointed out to me a verse I didn't know, I thanked him after checking and seeing the true message. Infact he is the first muslim to do this on nairaland.


here was my reply,

Lol. You are so excited. I have NOT come across the verse before, the Bible is a very large book containing thousands of years of revelations throughout Jewish history unlike the short quran recited by one man, Mohammed.



I am not perfect, I know a lot but not everything.

The verse says

Malachi 2:1-6 King James Version (KJV)
2 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.
2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.
3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.
4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the Lord of hosts.
5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.
6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

It read like one of the many insults of Mohammed in his quran directed to the Christians and Jews. I don't need to quote them, u quote them often.

In fact I had to run to verify. Then I saw the full context from the preceeding verses. And the warning starts by saying

; And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.
2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings.

Do u see how the warning is for priests who don't keep Gods commandments. All the fake pastors and priests should be worried about this verse because all crimes (without repentance) have consequences.


This empiree is how I expect u and other Muslims to explain ur quran, not by insults or buy trying to cite circumstantial context but by giving inner and symbolic context as well as posting the verses before and after a verse that better explains the meaning should it do.

You on the other hand using al Taqiyya gave malachi verse a very different meaning.




Infact this verse reminds me of what happened to Mohammed who lied about being a prophet from God and didn't keep any of the 10 commandments from reading the quran and hadiths..

Look at this warning again

Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.

Corrupt your seed (regarding offspring) and Dung upon your faces(disgrace) are both seemingly metaphors.

Mohammed's seed was corrupt, he couldn't produce a male offspring despite having dozens of sex partners, all his "seeds" died prematurely (including Fatima who died shortly after him ) his male grandkids from his only child(Fatima) who out lived him by a few years were butchered by Muslims.

Also don't forget Mohammed was disgraced by dying with an erection that refused to "de erect" after his death after suffering for 4 years and getting fat and had to be carried around like "poop".

Empiree thanks for bringing this verse to my notice I will be quoting it in context for my critic of Mohammed as further evidence that he is a false prophet.

truthman2012:
[Quran 9:33 Shakir] He it is Who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions, though the polytheists may be averse.

[Quran 61:9 Shakir] He it is Who sent His Messenger with the guidance and the true religion, that He may make it overcome the religions, all of them, though the polytheists may be averse.

Islamic terrorists worldwide go into churches, capture worshipers and execute them in fulfilment of allahh's
injunctions as above.

allahh's efforts will continue to be fruitless as nobody, no spirit can prevail over the church of Christ.


And I say also unto thee,
That thou art Peter, and
upon this rock I will build my
church; and the gates of hell
shall not prevail against it (Mat. 16:.

Mohammed's Islamic allah has failed for 1400 years and will keep failing. A prophet without any correct prophecies.

Empiree:
Well, the percentage was made up by me. I dont think i need to rely on external body to decide that. Looking at majority christians, including yourself and right here on NL, their major focus on their religion is "miracles", "prophecies" which you people usually accuse our prophet of (i:e didnt do miracles). Now you accused pastors of fake prophecies and miracles. Dont majority christians reply on these nonsense prophecies?


I was going to say this earlier but skipped my mind. Remember I said at some point that christianity is divided into two(2)?. But you didnt get it. Yes, it's true that Eastern orthodox christians do not indulge in this madness. Now, this reminds me of a former pastor on ACARDIP who traveled to Jerusalem. He was surprised that they do not do such a thing like screaming and yelling. Rather, they bowed down. Bowing down is WORSHIP. As a result, he returned to Nigeria and reverted to Islam.


Just proves that there are different doctrines in christiandom in terms of salvation. Both former and later have no formal and direct intrusctions from Jesus (Allah's blessing and peace be upon hiim) on obligatory prayer. They follow different Pauline orders.

Na them sabi. If they want they could pray with their legs up in the air...who care! Fact is, how to pray, which Jesus(AS) also demostrated has been deserted by christians altogether. Middle eastern and Eastern orthodox only seem close. Bowing down is worship.
http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/islam/pillars/al-salat/how_many_prayers_(P1204).html
http://peacethought.com/prayer.htm

Also in the book of Nehemiah proves that the way to pray as instructed by God Himself is the way Muslims pray. So who are the true christians now?. Protestants accused Catholics, Catholic accused JW, Baptists accuse the formers, Formers accuse laters. Orthodox are different. Indeed, Quran is very correct. It says that because of your disbelieve, God made your heart grow hard (sealed) and made you enemies of one another. And that none of you will worship the same way until the Day of Accountability.

But you just did "taqqiya" earlier until after i exposed you before you admited churches in Africa do voodoo. You actually think i care about African churches?. Nope

Sorry, we dont curse anyone during obligatory salat or non-obligatory salat. Salat prayers are devoted to God 100%. Now if imam is giving khutba during Friday sermon which may seldom invloves political talks is to bring about awareness. Unless you give me an example of such curses i wont take you serious.

Dude u have made several false statements

You said,

But you just did "taqqiya" earlier until after i exposed you before you admited churches in Africa do voodoo.

I never said churches in Africa do voodoo. Christian churches don't do that.

This is what I said.

Its in Africa particularly Ghana and Nigeria that u see people praying like that, I have worshipped in different churches in different countries but I see that kind of prayer particularly in "churches" in Africa I guess its cause of all the voodoo. Its quite appalling.

I meant all the voodoo in African society, this is why perhaps some ill informed "Christians" pray in a very confrontational and even hateful manner.. Eg curse my enemies in the village doing voodoo. Now that is very different from what u accused me of saying.

Stop using Taqiyya or perhaps u just misunderstood me. But i'll let this one slide.


Its also nice that u admitted it was ur Islamic mind that made up the false 90 percent information on how Christians act.

You also falsely said this,

including yourself and right here on NL, their major focus on their religion is "miracles", "prophecies" which you people usually accuse our prophet of (i:e didnt do miracles)

When have i ever said that my focus is on miracles or prophecies.never. I don't even comment on such threads. Talkless of endorsing such. I see some Christians taking the words of the "doomsday prophesy" pastors serious about Nigerian elections, sports etc and I smh in pity for them. A lot have been exposed as giving false prophecies and that's on record, its a good way of spotting false teachers.
My major focus on Christianity is Jesus Christ and adhering to the gospel as much as my flawed and humble self can.

Now I will ignore some of ur other rants but I can't help laugh at this.

Sorry, we dont curse anyone during obligatory salat or non-obligatory salat. Salat prayers are devoted to God 100%. Now if imam is giving khutba during Friday sermon which may seldom invloves political talks is to bring about awareness. Unless you give me an example of such curses i wont take you serious

dude but why lie. U do know that ur imams make hateful teaching in ur mosques. This is why statistically, Muslims are prone to murder non-muslims on Friday after Islamic prayers. I have seen some videos of ur scholar, imams preaching/teahing and I see how hatefilled it is.

There was this incident I think last year when the Catholics invited the Hindus, buddhists , Muslims etcetera for an inter faith prayer session for peace (interfaith prayers are a joke) or something of that nature and it was broadcast live. The imam cleverly added a prayed to Islamic allah to give Muslims victory over the "infidels", he said this in Arabic and it was picked up by exmuslims who exposed the Catholics/ vaticans ignorance about Islam.

dude u know Islam is violent and teaches several morally disturbing things, but I understand why you feel you need to defend ur "prophet". You are dedicated about it but one day I sincerely hope u see him for what he truly was and turn to Christ like millions of exmulslims before you.

An2elect2:
well there you have it. Noise pollution is noise pollution. I agree!

Just noticed how frank317 was quick to call out a "church" just the same way all atheists will do.

Restless beings (atheists)

An2elect2 I understand ur position and ur view but Frank is first a human before an atheist, as a human he has freewill to say what he wants. Its his right to say what ever he wants against theists. Like the OP, He made a point here, noise pollution by churches are also culprits. U also said so earlier meaning that u are NOT a bigot.

Muslims are forbidden to kill Muslims unless in 3 conditions, here is the hadith below


Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." — Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17 ”

The brave man must have renounced Islam and decided to join his Christian brother in heaven. Wow..may he be remembered for this.

OLAADEGBU:
THE MUSLIM MAN WHO CHOSE TO DIE ALONGSIDE THE MARTYRED ETHIOPIAN CHRISTIANS
Travis Weber : Apr 24, 2015 : Family Research Council blog
Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends" -John 15:13 (NASB)
[FRCBlog.com] The... recent headline: "Muslim chooses to die alongside Christians," comes to us from the Vatican Insider, which brings us the startling and encouraging report of a Muslim who "offered himself as a hostage because he would not leave his Christian friend to die alone." Who is the man? Jamal Rahman. (Photo via Vatican Insider/FRCBlog.com)
According to the story, Jamal "was among the 28 Ethiopians killed (by decapitation) by ISIS in Libya and shown in the latest terror video by Al Furqan, the caliphate's propaganda machine."
Jamal "was not spared, despite belonging to a Muslim family."
Why was he not spared?
Because "[h]e offered himself as a hostage because he would not leave his Christian friend to die alone."
It is a "great love" which causes us to give our lives for another.
Ultimately, Jamal was killed with all the Christians in the group.
While there is some haziness over why this was the case, it appears to be a sacrificial act of love.
According to reports given to the Pontifical Institute for Foreign Missions (PIME)—by a member of Al-Shabab, of all people—a certain "online newspaper of Somaliland" reports that Jamal "converted to Christianity on the road" and was killed for this reason.
Yet PIME regards as "much more plausible" the alternate explanation, which is "that amidst the jihadists, the Muslim Jamal 'foolishly' and willingly offered himself as a hostage to the jihadists, out of solidarity for a Christian friend he was travelling with." For "[p]erhaps he believed the presence of a Muslim in the group might even have saved the lives of the others."
Ultimately, "[t]his was not the case: Jamal was murdered alongside the Christians 'as an apostate'."
Jamal's loyalty to his friend, loyalty to the point of death, is humbling, rare and beautiful. His act will undoubtedly serve as an example to others.
Most importantly, it is a model of our Lord Jesus Himself, who laid down His life for us—His friends. If we are to be imitators of Christ, we must do likewise. Let us take this moment to reflect on this act of grace on the part of a Muslim to remember that Jesus Himself told us:
"If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it" Matthew 16:24-25 (NASB).
Only by His grace can we do that. But let us ask God for that grace. It will be needed, for God "desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Timothy 2:4), even members of ISIS.
Until His truth comes to them, and He comes again, let us be thankful for reminders of His grace in men like Jamal.
http://www.breakingchristiannews.com/articles/display_art.html?ID=15840

Hey frank317 and An2elect2. Noise pollution is noise pollution. Whether is from a church or a mosque or from a night club. The only responsible thing to do is to respect ur community and keep the loud speakers at a respectable level.

Empiree:
Evangelism tactics.


You have been saying this endlessly to find unfounded excuses. These allegations up there are embedded in 90% christians. So who are the real christians if 90% are bogus?

Muslims dont go about prophesizing this and that. You christians do. Media glorify them and credit them including many christians.

Muslims dont go about cursing thier enemies. It's christians that do that. Dont tell me you dont know that. You hear them on radio, Tv screaming in churches "God punish the devil", burn my enemies, "Oh devill! I will kick you, I will punch, I will spit on you" "May God curse those that wage war on me"...the list goes on. Yet christians call this prayer. These are in direct violations of your very own Commandment which says "Thou shall love your enemies"

And you want to talk about voodoo, your pastors are good at the. They visit herbalists who give them charm to manipulate church goers. Whatever pastors say, so shall it be.

You have a point here empiree. But u exaggerate, terribly. Your statement below is a lie.

These allegations up there are embedded in 90% christians. So who are the real christians if 90% are bogus?

<<<<al Taqiyya alert.
I wonder how u got ur 90percent figures. Show me the data.


Eastern and oriental orthodox Christians do NoT pray like that.
several bible believing pentecostal churches do NOT pray like that. Eg baptists, saddleback, etc
Catholics do NOT pray like that
Coptic Christians do NOT pray like that

My church does not pray like that.

Its in Africa particularly Ghana and Nigeria that u see people praying like that, I have worshipped in different churches in different countries but I see that kind of prayer particularly in "churches" in Africa I guess its cause of all the voodoo. Its quite appalling.

But empiree, u do know that ur imams spend half the time cursing Christians during ur hateful Friday prayers and praying for Islamic a.llah to give u the much awaited and NOT forthcoming victory over the infidels.

malvisguy212:
when they convert to Islam and discovered the satanic manipulation in the quran, they will come back home.

Yeah... Ex-Muslims are very good at preaching the gospel when they come to Christ because they become very convinced that Mohammed was an anti-Christ.

Rilwayne001:
I will like it if you can prove it to me here


Well, I am not obsessed with it. Malvisguy212, truthman2012, ifeann, this una wife said TRINITY IS NOT JUST FALSE, IT IS FALSE! FALSE!! FALSE!!! woWw



Well, Ifean, truthman2012, and malvidguy are all catholic, which automatically means that they are occultic.

But wait oo, are catholic going to hell?



Kindly outline it please.




blah blah blah
Do you want us to delve into it?

Please quote where I have ever said I am roman catholic.

Empiree:
Oh, i thought modern Christianity is the real deal, no? You now backing away from it?. But according to you, they are frontiers of modern technology and advancement, no?





2 Nigerian Gay Pastors Charged Over Illegal Sex
http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2013/01/03/2-nigerian-gay-pastors-charged-over-illegal-sex/

"Nollywood" full of Christians and sexual illicit

List of Nigerian Pastors who Rape Church members Released
http://www.9jabook.com/forum/topics/list-of-nigerian-pastors-who-rape-church-members-released



TB Joshua
"I see Malaysia aircraft air-jacked, It's underneath Indian ocean" BS

Do u know that we Christians are told to expect and prepare for false prophets who will come up after Christ.. These false prophets are everywhere, some are dead (Mohammed, Joseph smith and several evil popes etc), that is why I am glad when u Muslims correctly post topics exposing false prophets in Christianity.

Tho u guys often do this in an effort to disparage Christianity but on one hand u help expose frauds in the church. Like it is written in malachi 2:1-4(which u pointed out earlier) the frauds will be exposed and disgraced.

Islam is a fraud so their isn't any need to point out individual child molesting imams, or jihadist Islamic scholars or adulterous shieks or honor killing imams or voodoo alfas..etc.

Rilwayne001:
Even your christian brethren acknowledge that you are a false teacher



- Sanchez

- ammyluv

When did discussing Islam suddenly become doing the will of God or being a false teacher. They are concerned about my approach. They never said I made a false statement or lied.

Now run along.

Sanchez01:
I don't go beyond the Bible and I'm not interested in what the Hadith says about the Islamic deity. The same should be said about every Christian because we do not strive to prove that Christ is "better". Again, provoking people of their faith is uncalled for. I see no reason why we should taunt another religion simply because they're not within our fold. That Islam or Christianity is the ONE remains with God, not us.


There's thin line between religion and fanatism and religious "arguments" most end up with insults and hates. Reason for this is simple, those involved often tend to exhibit religion superiority over the other.


No, I did not say Christ "won't" confront other religions. I said HE NEVER DID. You need to understand who the Pharisees are. They shared the same line of thought cum belief with Christ. The problem was that they perverted their teachings and ways and preferred hypocrisy to the real deal. THE PHARISEES WERE NOT FROM "OTHER" RELIGION. They knew God but sought to pervert their teachings. This made them earn the name "false teachers". And this best explained why they were easily angered by the teachings of Christ who revealed the truth they had neglected and later sought to destroy him.


The Pharisees were being referred to here, not Muslims.



There's an eternal debate about Allah not being or being God. I don't want to dwell on this but Christ was obviously not referring to Muslims but the Pharisees and the Sadducees.


The other Scriptural references you gave are still in reference to the Pharisees and not Muslims and it would be wrong to transfer these facts on Muslims because they do not teach in our churches, neither do they preach Christ, nor act as keepers of the Law (the Old Testament).

Finally, Islam came to life through the womb of Hagar and Ishmael being the founding father of Islam did not serve in the temple, neither did his followers. The Pharisees were supposed priests of God whose ways became perverted. They would have received instant judgements if they had put up their heresies and deceits in the Old Testament, just like the house of Eli, Gehazi and sons of the prophets who thought they were familiar with God and his dealings. Grace was what preserved the Pharisees and in a way, they made the mission of Christ a reality. Christ never attacked Pagans and non believers of the Word and we're expected to follow in His steps.

U made some good points my friend, but I have some frank words for you. I found this statement by you particularly disturbing

You said and I quote

I don't go beyond the Bible and I'm not interested in what the Hadith says about the Islamic deity. The same should be said about every Christian because we do not strive to prove that Christ is "better".

I don't argue based on Christ being better (he is and I don't need to prove) check my 70 topics on Islam and u won't see such. I mostly point out the evil taught and practised by Mohammed and how his Islamic deity cannot be the one true God as well as compare and contrast Christian and Islamic teachings.

You also admit that u haven't read the quran and hadiths, u boldly state ur ignorance on what Islam is while they murder our Christian brothers and sisters in the name of their Islamic god.

The bible says my people perish because of lack of knowledge. Have u ever seen a religious debate between professional Christians and Muslims apologist? U should. Christian apologists quote both the bible and quran excellently.

Perhaps u should advise the Christian apologists not to go beyond the Bible and should not be interested in what the Hadith says about the Islamic deity.


You also made another appalling comment. I just smh in amazement.

You said,

That Islam or Christianity is the ONE remains with God, not us.

If u are a bible reading Christian who has some understanding of the quran, you will never have said that.


U kept pointing out that pharisees are not Muslims. U forget Islam didn't exist then. So I ask u, now that Islam exists to murder and persecute non-muslims esp. Christians and Jews as well as teach evil like this

Qur’an 8:12— Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”

Qur’an 9:73—O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.”

Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

do u think Christ will be quiet and do nothing if he were to come again this instant. I don't think so.

Empiree:
This is the definition of our teachers, imams, shieks, scholars

Definition Of ISLAM

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I Shall Love All Mankind

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yet devout Muslims go around beheading innocent people. Terrible way to show love.

Sanchez01:
Dearie, your incessant attacks on Islam is way disturbing. You're not doing the will of Christ in this regard because Christ would never launch attacks on other religions. He never did. If you think you're doing God's will by constantly disrespecting other religions, then you're doing Christ a great disservice. It's high time you stopped.

Hi buddy, I want to point out to you that I don't say false things about Islam. My posts are not attacks but only facts. Have u read the quran or hadiths. . I only discuss it as I see the information in the quran and authentic sahih hadiths. most nairaland Muslims get offended because they have a Disney land version of Mohammed in their minds thanks to years of brainwashing and living in the denial.

As u critic me for my efforts at discussing Islam I want you to know that today as standard Islamic practise, Muslims will most likely murder a Christian, Jew or some other non-Muslim today and will quoting quran verses and screaming allahuhackbar. Hacking innocent people to death.


I am not perfect and sometimes the discussion may get heated by I refrain from insults..u won't see my insult them back..and if I ever in my fallible human nature did, then I am sorry for that.


However, U said Christ won't confront other religions on their falsehood, I beg to differ. Infact I will provide quotes of what Christ had to say about the pharisees (false teachers) who later called for his death.

In fact the criticism is compiled as a list called "the Woes of the Phariseesis" see wikipedia; a list of criticisms by Jesus against scribes and Pharisees in the Gospel of Luke 11:37-54and Gospel of Matthew 23:1-39. [ 1 ] Mark 12:35-40and Luke 20:45-47include warnings about scribes.
Seven are listed in Matthew, and hence Matthew's version is known asthe seven woes, while only six are given in Luke, whose version is thus known asthe six woes.

1.They taught about God but did not love God — they did not enter the kingdom of heaventhemselves, nor did they let others enter. ( Matt 23:13-14)
2.They preached God but converted people to dead religion, thus making those convertstwice as much sons of hell as they themselves were. ( Matt 23:15)
3.They taught that an oath sworn by the temple or altar was not binding, but that if sworn by the gold ornamentation of the temple, or by a sacrificial gift on the altar, itwasbinding. The gold and gifts, however, were not sacred in themselves as the temple and altar were, but derived a measure of lesser sacredness by being connected to the temple or altar. The teachers and Pharisees worshiped at the temple and offered sacrifices at the altar because they knew that the temple and altar were sacred. How then could they deny oath-binding value to what was truly sacred and accord it to objects of trivial and derived sacredness? ( Matt 23:16-22)
4.They taught the law but did not practice some of the most important parts of the law — justice, mercy, faithfulness to God. They obeyed the minutiae of the law such as tithing spices but not the weightier matters of the law. ( Matt 23:23-24)
5.They presented an appearance of being 'clean' (self-restrained, not involved in carnal matters), yet they were dirty inside: they seethed with hidden worldly desires, carnality. They were full ofgreed and self-indulgence. ( Matt 23:25-26)
6.They exhibited themselves as righteous on account of being scrupulous keepers of the law, but were in fact not righteous: their mask of righteousness hid a secret inner world of ungodly thoughts and feelings. They were full of wickedness. They werelike whitewashed tombs, beautiful on the outside, but full of dead men's bones. ( Matt 23:27-28)
7.They professed a high regard for the dead prophets of old, and claimed that they would never have persecuted and murdered prophets, when in fact they were cut from the same cloth as the persecutors and murderers: they too had murderous blood in their veins. ( Matt 23:29-36).

So are the above verses an attack on falsehood or just ignoring it.