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tola9ja:What are u even saying.. do u thing all the animals u eat in restaurants all died by sliting the throat. I wouldn't cook a dead animal specially for strangers but if someone wants to eat my dead chicken by all means eat..and that is the meaning of that verse |
Maamin:To be fair on the muslims the word'LOVE' appears about 45 times in the whole of theQuran mostly in expressions such as( in love; love of wealth; love of life; love of Allah; love of woman; love of self; love of other believers or love in the abstract; 2:177; 3:31, 103, 119;5:54; 9:23; 19:96; 38:32 etc). [size=18pt] TheQuran, unlike the Bibledoes not encourage love of strangers or any others who are not'believers in Allah and his prophet'.[/size] In theBibleon the other hand, this word is mentioned at least[b]155[/b] times in all its forms and manifestations. In the form ofloving the STRANGER(Lev.19:34; Deut10:19) & NEIGHBOUR (Lev.19:18), the Quran is silent. The ordinances on how well to treat the stranger and neighbourare over[b]150[/b] times in theBiblewhile none are mentioned in theQuran. http://www.inthenameofallah.org/Love%20in%20the%20Quran.html Cc tola9ja "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29 |
tola9ja:There is nothing wrong with this verse.. infact it shows tolerance....this is a clear example of not forcing ur own traditions on others. Imagine if the west says there shouldn't be halal meat because they think it nonsense. . I once saw a muslim hausa man begging a southerner for a dead goat to eat, the goat was attacked by dogs...it's disgusting but the man ate it..it's later that I learnt that Muslims are not allowed to eat dead animals but the dude ate it still. |
tola9ja:U gave the chapter ..I want the verses.. |
tola9ja:Pls tola9ja I want the exact passage numbers.. I would like to investigate the Arabic words and English translations. . Muslim al taqiyyah is very common with u.. |
johnydon22:Nope that's not what we concluded.. it was most likely written by scribes on behalf of the apostles, literacy is something we take for granted now.. ..even ur commentary snapshots noted that.. I brought up the issue of ur recent conversion to atheism so as to emphasize ur naiveté on this issue.. u could not have been agnostic for a whole 5 years and be willing to defend ur Catholic faith just Oct last year.. Spend some time reading to make ur arguement stronger if the folly of atheism appeals to u... |
johnydon22:Dude apparently u haven't been reading my posts.. I have written already that it is unlikely the apostles wrote those..one because they were likely unable to write..Peter for instance was a fisherman. .getting parchment paper was difficult...and they were being hunted and persecuted. . This is not the arguement.. they mostly likely had scribes do the writing when it was convienent to do so.. Paul on the other hand was a learned Jew ..this explains his many letters. I don't care if u doubt the authenticity of these gospels. I will only advice u look at christain theologians view on these issues. U will be surprised at what u will learn. I don't sieve information.. I take in everything but like every other human I am biased.. I have studied these thinks long before u..remember in Oct 2014 u were still professing ur Catholic faith.. |
johnydon22:I didn't intentionally cover ur texts I ruled over ur red with white to differentiate it from my own red maker.. Ur highlights are still in ur earlier post for all to see. Apparently u don't understand what u read about John. ..one theory is that he was a withness who documented the events, wrote it and died very old The 2nd theory is that it was written by another converted scribe who belonged to Apostle John's community.. that said ..this is the opinion of a bible commentary on the gospels... different scholars have different opinions and NT scholars often have little consensus between them. U need to read more John. However if the gospels where fakes I would expect tonnes of differences between them.. however they are so similar in their narrative that the 4 are termed synoptic gospels. This conversation is getting boring. My intention is to point out holes in ur argument so that u don't decieve others just because u read a commentary on the gospels origin and became an atheist. |
Pr0ton:Oh goodness..there is a fake Paul? Pls elaborate? |
Pr0ton:I honestly think Paul was a fierce theologian and right in all of his letters.. U said he preached a different Christ. .this is fallacy.. a statement without evidence... he and the apostles got along very well and he got Peters approval. As a christian I believe God is perfect in his plans.. Paul was called to spread christainity and he did it remarkably well..u need to understand that Christ came to fulfil the law and even Paul said all scripture is profitable. He was not anti OT.. he just understood the theology of it better than most. Is there any issues u think we should discuss on Paul. . |
johnydon22:Dude u have to understand that depending on one literature source is poor scholarship..ur captured screenshot mean little.. let me start by saying they agree with me as well see shots below.. look at what I said about mark and John. .the dates agree with me... including when I said the theory is that John died a very old man. Like is told proton above john is unconservatively estimated to be 90 years after Jesus. . It means at most 90+33 = 123 AD.. Even tho some people say it's as early as 90AD that is 57 years after Christ. Do u get the picture .. 2. I said mark is estimated to be 30 years after the fact...30+33 is 63 ad. . Peter was was a fisherman and not a scribe,same as some other disciplines hence they may have had others write their stories it's possible or they may have written it themselves I don't know, I wasn't there but the truth remains the assumption that a second generation christain wrote it is pure conjecture and even if true does not make a difference. I think u mistake second generation to mean second century. .I can have someone write my own biography , I don't need to write it myself. a generation is 30-40 years, hence if it is assumed that mark was written in 65 ad that is 32 years after christ then u can see why someone can also assume it was written by a second generation christian. But there is no evidence for that argument. U may ask ..why wasn't the gospels written earlier..well they were being persecuted by the jews and Romans and their was probably no time to sit down with scribes and write but Paul was very literate and wrote letters himself. This explains his many letters . Peter the ex fisherman was more into the ground work winning new converts to christiandom and was murdered. . Most of the apostles went to their bl.oody deaths believing in Christ. .
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Pr0ton:Proton listen I said john is unconservatively estimated to be 90 years after Jesus. . It means at most 90+33 = 123 AD.. I didn't say 90 ad but 123 ad. Even tho some people say it's as early as 90AD that is 57 years after Christ. What's ur confusion. 2. I said mark is estimated to be 30 years after the fact...30+33 is 63 ad. .you say it's between 60 and 75 ad. .are we in conflict?? I like to give the date based on the period between the fact (death and resurrection ) to the estimated gospel date for a clearer picture |
Pr0ton:Okay..at least u are not one of those people who don't believe the existence of historical figures... But I am puzzled .. if u believe Apostle Paul existed why then do u doubt the existence of Christ. He lived for only 33 years and changed the world yet u doubt he existed. . I just don't get it.. I am Goin to make a post about bible prophesies over the weekend, I will mention u. |
Pr0ton:I don't like answering a question with a question but before I continue , u said " let's assume he existed".. I would like to ask do u believe these 2 people existed Apostle Paul The Islamic Mohammed. . |
johnydon22:I see how u cleverly skip my other question on prophesies. ..anyway that's besides the point.. Again Johnny there are things u say that shows ur naiveté. For example The issue of jews being an oppressed nation is not a historical fact, cus their is no record or external historical source that suggests jews were ever in egypt..The jewish communities and lands have been attacked and destroyed hundreds of times throughout history..Google is ur friend....use it... I agree that one may say that there is little evidence to suggest jewish presence in egypt same as their is NO evidence to conclude that jews were never there. But that said this one event doesn't mean that jews were or were not oppressed in egypt or elsewhere..besides you don't expect ancient records of Egyptians to contain significant information on a little slave tribe.. also bear in mind the Great Library of Alexandria which may have contained any such records was destroyed along with so many ancient secrets. Not to mention the destructions the muslims did to civilizations by annihilating records kept by scribes , monasteries etc after they took over...so much information has been lost. U see ...the evidence to make absolute statements from an atheist perspective is lacking. The theists have concrete records informs of manuscripts no matter the perceived conflicts. Whereas the atheist has only conjecture.and assumptions. . Hoold on.. I just saw u said that the gospels are second century write ups... tisk tisk tisk... who told u this Bart ehrman, Richard Dawkins,..for.bel? ?? Lol.. the latest gospel is John which is unconservatively estimated to be 90 years after Jesus.. the consensus and evidence point to the theory that apostle John died a very oldman. . The gospel according to mark is said to be 30 years after the fact.. Johnny boy u have a lot of reading to do. |
johnydon22:Thrive is very different word from beginning. timeline of Ancient Mesopotamian civilization is 5000-3500 BC: The first city-states gradually develop in southern Mesopotamia. This is the achievement of the Sumerian people. The jewish records go as far back as this..bear in mind the jews were an oppressed people who didn't THRIVE in anyone place for long.. so u are right to say the mesopotamians thrived before the jews but did they exist or begin much before the jews.. so u saying this and I quote , "It is possible they copied from the jewish fable just like it is possible that the bible copied from koran.. " is without credibility. You also said their are no archeological evidence to support a world wide flood, neither is it possible for millions of species to fit into one ark and live for a year (carnivores eating herbs ..lol) . . .The story itself clearly shows it's implausibility.Even tho there is evidence for sea shells on top of mountains whixh scientists have tried to explain..I won't try to convince u a great flooding may have caused this. ...Again ..Christains believe in a God that is all powerful ...if he could send all animals to a great big ark .. it is possible to make all of 2 species fit and not consume each other should he please. .this is far more believe literally than the garden and fruit and creation tale which I often view as allegorical. This is why your former church's Catholic universities teach evolution in their university..evolution is outrightly rejected by Muslims. Now to the last point ... apparently u misunderstood me... I am not talking about end time prophesies. Not revelations but more of Isaiah, genesis etc from the OT. .I am talking about prophesies that have already been fulfilled about the the Messiah. .christains, Arabs, Mohammed, turkey, syria, Babylon.. etc haven't u read anything on these.. |
Abuamam:Abuamam I see u are still as ignorant as the last time we discussed. . This story was published by a fake news site a secular satire news site and we all know satire sites are often run by atheists because they are amoral. Not christians. The OP made a mistake and I a christain pointed it out to him. Muslims are the gullible ones.. u people believe a 7th century mass murdering pedophile sex addict who died by the posion of a jewish woman on top of Aisha's bosoms with an ere.ction is a prophet.. who gets more gullible than that. Again christians are not allowed to lie unlike Muslims who use lies deciet Kitman and al taqiyyah to mislead non muslims. An example is the pic below by a muslim xballm.
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johnydon22:Johnny , 3 questions is it impossible that these other folks copied the jewish tales on this matter.. knowing fully well that several times in history jews tribes are often driven out from their hosts communities and their historical records, torah, tamuld and other manuscripts etc stolen, confiscated or destroyed..? Is it also impossible that such an event or something similar occurred and tales of it got passed from generation to generation and hence variations occur in different records by different civilizations. ..be it jewish or otherwise? I would like to know how a young atheist such as urself reconcile the possibility of these 2 scenarios. I have thought about some of these things.. The biggest argument for the christain scripture is the accuracy of its prophesies. .. This bring me to my 3rd question... have u read anything on biblical prophesies ? Peace. |
Alisha4U:Hi Alisha4U it's important we always show our sources for news such as this.. I want to use this opportunity to let u know that this event is a fabrication by a satirical news website run by atheists. . it's only proper u delete it.. |
Alisha4U this is a very insightful post. . it makes more sense when the commands in the quran is read “And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God.”-Revelation 20:4 https://www.nairaland.com/2142658/graphic-pictures-christians- slaughtered-islamic the usual standard muslim response that those muslims who kill non muslims are: 1) Tiny minority 2) Misunderstaders of Islam 3) Not true muslims 4) Are zionist agents sponsored by the CIA to tarnish the image of Islam 5) They do not understand quran in 'original' arabic 6) The dont go to mosque regularly. 7) They have been radicalized They dont represent the 1.5billion muslims. 9) They are marginalized by the govt. 10) It is the fault of the victims who offend the fragile sensibilty of muslims 11) alllah know the best. And other standardized excuses that islamic apologist give anytime their foot-soldiers go on a killing spree. People often wonder why a lot of Muslim riots and protests occur after Friday prayers and why people like jihad john, Osama and other terrorists are devout mosque attending Muslims. Most moderate Muslims will use AL TAQIYYA or ignorance and quote this non-compulsion of religion verse: Qu'ran2: 256 Sahih International "There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing." But they refuse to mention the other verses which compels their terrible religion on others. Remember the quran is a book that is filled with contractions and abrogations and even commands for Muslims to lie and deceive infidels eg Kitman and al Taqiyya.. Here is a little sample of the over 100 quran verses Islamic terrorists use to justify their acts of terror as commanded by Mohammed with total disregard for the non-complusion of religion earlier stated ; Qur’an 9:29—Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. Qur’an 9:28—O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. Qur’an 9:30—The Jews call Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! Qur’an 9:31—They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ, the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him). Qur’an 9:32—Fain would they extinguish Allah’s Light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow but that His Light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it). Qur’an 9:33—It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to prevail it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it). Qur’an 5:51—O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other. Qur’an 9:73—O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them. Qur’an 9:111—Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain. Qur’an 9:123—O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness. Qur’an 47:35—Be not weary and fainthearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost. Qur’an 48:29—Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves. "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." (Bukhari, Book 83 Number 17) Sahih Muslim 30—Muhammad said: “I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.” Sahih Muslim 4366—Muhammad said: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims.” Sunan An-Nasa’i 3099—The Prophet said: “Whoever dies without having fought or having thought of fighting, he dies on one of the branches of hypocrisy.” Sunan Ibn Majah 2763—The Messenger of Allah said: “Whoever meets Allah with no mark on him (as a result of fighting) in His cause, he will meet Him with a deficiency.” Sahih al-Bukhari 6922—Allah’s Messenger said, “If anyone changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.” Qur'an (4:74)-"Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso FIGHTETH IN THE WAY OF Allah, BE HE SLAIN or be he victorious, on him WE SHALL BESTOW A VAST REWARD" Qur'an (9:111)-"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, AND SLAY AND ARE SLAIN: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." Qur'an (2:207)-"And there is the type of man who GIVES HIS LIFE to earn the pleasure of Allah..." Qur'an (61:10-12)"O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement." This verse was given at the battle Uhud and uses the Arabic word, Jihad. The dark-eyed virgins are mentioned in several places as well, including verses 44:54 and 52:20. For those who swing the other way, there are"perpetual youth"verse6:17, otherwise known as"boys"verses52:24and76:19. Qur'an (17:33)"And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, EXCEPT BY RIGHT" Qur'an 3:151 Soon shall we cast TERROR into the hearts of the unbelievers, for that they joined companion with Allah... Bukhari (52:54)- The words of Muhammad:"I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred." This is why modern-day Jihadists often say that they love death. Qur'an (5:51)-"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." Qur'an (5:80)-"You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell. Qur'an (3:28)-"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them..." This last part means that the Muslim is allowed to feign friendship if it is of benefit. Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir states that"believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly, but never inwardly." Qur'an (3:118)-"O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their bosoms conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand." This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends. Qur'an (9:23)-"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers" Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam. (This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th Sura, which also advocates"slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them" . Qur'an (53:29)-"Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world." Qur'an (3:85)-"And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers." Qur'an (3:10)-"(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire." Those who do not believe in Muhammad are but fuel for the fire of Hell (also 66:6, 2:24. 21:98). Qur'an (7:44)-"The Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire:"We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true: Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?"They shall say,"Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them:"The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers" Muslims in heaven will amuse themselves by looking down on non-Muslims in Hell and mocking them while they are being tortured (see22:19-22. Qur'an (1:5-7)-"Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray" This is a prayer that Muslims are supposed to repeat each day. "Those who earn Thine anger"specifically refers to Jews and"those who go astray"refers to Christians (seeBukhari (12:749). Remember the ultimate aim of Mohammed and devout Muslims is for Islam to dominate the world. They aim to murder all the pagans and atheists hence condemning their souls to hell, of courses they spare the Christians because a murdered christain in defense of his/her faith becomes heaven bound hence the devout Muslims are commanded to humiliate Christians and have them pay the jizyah or convert or die. Once a muslim renounces Islam they are commanded to behead the apostate. this is the religion of "peace". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmGRshS0PAw |
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