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yazach:
Here you are again with your dodging tactics why can't you address the issues raised by op

Yazach we have met on several threads, I have addressed accusations like this over and over. But u Muslims remain blind and deaf to the truth. Besides that someone here has already addressed the OP. I am here to challenge the op to BRING more and in turn we shall address issues and vices people have with the quran and hadiths. I don't dodge I engage.

Can we talk about verses about slavery in the Bible and Qu'ran. If u are ready bring up passages. I will show u how ur quran encourages supports and promotes sex slavery(Mohammed loved this one ), trading of slaves, sleeping with married slaves, capturing slaves etc.

If you don't want this topic we can address the sleeping with children/paedophilia which you prophet loved; including the hadith that shows how his wives were commanded to always clean semens stains off his tunic. Why was he always having sex. Your prophet was a sex addict apparently. I can also show u this. You also can search the bible and show me a prophet who lived like this.

gatiano:
what are you talking hiding behind ife ann ifeann? The post or rather some posters claim Quran ordered the killing of people, i said show where it was written, some tried decietfully to do so, i disagreed explaining the balances of the Quran, hadith was brought out, i said that is and was not for the muslims.

i cannot remember when i said plants, animals and the planets are muslims, may i add to it, the universe to is a muslim. A muslim is anything or anybody that submits to the will of GOD/ALLAH, or however way you want to call HIM. plants and animals were created by BLACKMEN AND BLACKWOMEN.

blessedvisky I actually feel sorry for him. this is that confused spirit of Islam.

What u fail to realize gatiano is that in Saudi Arabia and several Islamic states including the ISIS territories, ur statements amount to shirk and spreading corruption in the land. You will be beheaded or crucified.
You

Elkewwty:
save those trash i deleted in ur post and tell it to ignoramus you sell ur xtianity to.

Can you respect and love your neighbours, regardless of their religious beliefs, when you think you know in your heart, what God must want of them, because you have an intimate relationship with God {whatever that means}?

your attention is needed on thread such as the one below, he was formally a xtian. can you relay to him all that bullcrap in your post?

www.nairaland.com/2045070/rants-questions-religion/1

Aha the typical attitude of the man/ woman that knows not God.

One of the 1st things I notice about people is their religious affiliation or lack thereof.

The 2nd thing I notice is their manner of communication and their penchant to be rude or polite.

You are a very rude human. Why I prefer engaging Muslims is because even though they are close minded they are far better off than the Atheists and agnostics. I don't know why atheists and agnostics (which ever category you belong to) spend so much time discussing religion if it isn't your cup of teach.

My view is that the same spirit that is anti God that is found in Islam is also found in atheism.

You said, "Can you respect and love your neighbours, regardless of their religious beliefs, when you think you know in your heart, what God must want of them"
.. Wow, u are ignorant aren't you?I just think your ideology and its followers are most to be pitied. Why wouldn't I respect and love them. I love all humans as Christ commands me too. I am christain, One of my best friends is a Muslim, I have Muslim family members, I have several atheist and agnostics friends and once in a while I throw them the gospel as I am commanded to. My hope is one day the truth of the gospel becomes glaringly apparent to them and they accept Christ.

You said "intimate relationship with God {whatever that means}?"
you are a Godless person, you can never know what that means as long as you agree to remain in your folly.

You said "your attention is needed on thread such as the one below, he was formally a xtian." and "save those trash i deleted in ur post and tell it to ignoramus you sell ur xtianity to."

Lol. I prefer scholarly atheists, I am currently reading the latest edition of The Selfish Gene by the fiercely atheist Richard Dawkins, I also listen to Bill maher, amongst others as well as pro Islamic scholars and of course christain apologetics. You see, unlike you,I am not a close minded bigot.
You said I Wrote thrash, I say prove it, prove it is wrong. Or you are a bigot.

If you want to engage Christians in a discussion about their fate, insulting or belittling them is a wrong way to go. We have come to expect that;

My Bible tells me to expect it in Matt. 10:25-26, " If they have called the Master Beelzebub, how much more shall they call His household? Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known."

My brother/sister in humanity, the falsehood of your ideology will be revealed no matter the insults you throw and by the Grace of our lord Jesus you will be saved.

Elkewwty:
save those trash i deleted in ur post and tell it to ignoramus you sell ur xtianity to.

Can you respect and love your neighbours, regardless of their religious beliefs, when you think you know in your heart, what God must want of them, because you have an intimate relationship with God {whatever that means}?

your attention is needed on thread such as the one below, he was formally a xtian. can you relay to him all that bullcrap in your post?

www.nairaland.com/2045070/rants-questions-religion/1

Aha the typical attitude of the man/ woman that knows not God.

One of the 1st things I notice about people is their religious affiliation or lack thereof.

The 2nd thing I notice is their manner of communication and their penchant to be rude or polite.

You are a very rude human. Why I prefer engaging Muslims is because even though they are close minded they are far better off than the Atheists and agnostics. I don't know why atheists and agnostics (which ever category you belong to) spend so much time discussing religion if it isn't your cup of teach.

My view is that the same spirit that is anti God that is found in Islam is also found in atheism.

You said, "Can you respect and love your neighbours, regardless of their religious beliefs, when you think you know in your heart, what God must want of them"
.. Wow, u are ignorant aren't you?I just think your ideology and its followers are most to be pitied. Why wouldn't I respect and love them. I love all humans as Christ commands me too. I am christain, One of my best friends is a Muslim, I have Muslim family members, I have several atheist and agnostics friends and once in a while I throw them the gospel as I am commanded to. My hope is one day the truth of the gospel becomes glaringly apparent to them and they accept Christ.

You said "intimate relationship with God {whatever that means}?"
you are a Godless person, you can never know what that means as long as you agree to remain in your folly.

You said "your attention is needed on thread such as the one below, he was formally a xtian." and "save those trash i deleted in ur post and tell it to ignoramus you sell ur xtianity to."

Lol. I prefer scholarly atheists, I am currently reading the latest edition of The Selfish Gene by the fiercely atheist Richard Dawkins, I also listen to Bill maher, amongst others as well as pro Islamic scholars and of course christain apologetics. You see, unlike you,I am not a close minded bigot.
You said I Wrote thrash, I say prove it, prove it is wrong. Or you are a bigot.

If you want to engage Christians in a discussion about their fate, insulting or belittling them is a wrong way to go. We have come to expect that;

My Bible tells me to expect it in Matt. 10:25-26, " If they have called the Master Beelzebub, how much more shall they call His household? Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known."

My brother in humanity, the falsehood of your ideology will be revealed no matter the insults you throw and by the Grace of our lord Jesus you will be saved.

truthman2012:
Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter Paradise, he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion (Quran 3:185 - Pickthall).

Wow, what kind of deceit won't u find in this doctrine. There is no coming back from hell fire for the sinner.

yomi007k:
Christians r divided, too many denominations.
If catholic wants crusade, anglican will pull out other sects.

Lol. I suspect u are a Muslim, who says any one in Christianity wants a crusade. It was done in the past after Islamic aggression and jihad. if not for the crusades there won't be a Spain as we know it and hence no America as we know it today. And if not for America the whole middle east would have been a wasteland.


And Nope, Christianity may have differences in theological understanding but it isn't unexpected. If you are looking for a religion with sects that kill themselves over their differences it Islam with their Wahabi, Salafists, sunnis, NOI, shites/shi'as alwaites, ahmedies etc.

truthman2012:
You are right sister.

The Devil wants to force everybody to hell he offered in islam (Quran 3:185). Allah says they will ALL be inside HELL before some of them will be removed to heaven on the Last Day. Once in hell is forever in hell. That is why they kill to send people to hell. Can you see why they cannot answer my question?

No matter how much he tries, the will of the Devil will not prevail in Jesus name.

I didn't know abt this. I will check.
The more I learn about Islam, the more I see its disgusting falsehood for what it is.

smada13:
Any good muslim should please read these verses and tell
me how best he/she understands it, i just researched it out myself...... Quran 2:62,88,137,213,254 and 3:36-64.

I'm waiting.....

You are wasting your time. They will just recite it in 7th century Arabic that they don't understand.
Hopefully a smart and open minded Muslim will respond to you. Of these there are few.

truthman2012:
No. My question is: why do muslims take lives they ought to save?

because their god thirsts for the blood of anyone that is not under his bondage.

Ab025:
what u Christians always fail to understand is that every verse of the Holy Quran was revealed based on different contexts and circumstances during the early days of Islam. u guys are always quick to quote any verse that u feel is likely to prove ur points against Islam right but u are also quick to ask or investigate what happened that brought about such verses

even in the old testament, there are also such verses as aminho quoted (scroll up) but has that made me conclude that Christians were ordered to be murderers......?? NO

Lol, another Muslim claims it is the circumstantial context that Christians don't put into consideration. Most Muslims will claim it is misinterpretation. Don't you see the absolutely stupid flaw in that argument. All positions we find our selves is a circumstance or context or situation, it is what we do that shows our character or the spirit that leads us.

Its either you follow the teachings of Jesus, love ur neighbours, love ur wife, pray, don't take what's not yours, don't steal, turn the other cheek, take care of the poor. etc or follow the teachings of your Mohammed in his various "circumstances" and retaliate when hurt, fight the infidels, beat your wife if u fear rebellion, sleep with a child, kill apostates, take slaves, rape captives, have sex slaves, steal from the infidels & share war booty, etc.

YoUr verses are clear in its evils yet u chose to remain blind to them.
Pray to the one true God of Abraham Issac and Jacob so he can set u on the right path and save you from darkness and the falsehood of Islam.

gatiano:
xaxaxax, you had to split my name so that i want suspect, anyways. NOI is the true Islam (part of true GOD's religion), ALLAH, YAHWEH, GOD, JEHOVAH, name it in whatever language you love is a Blackman, Jet blackman. Alien mothership? wrong again, there are alein mothership quite alright waiting to rapture you away (this alien controls most of the christiandom), all those paul's teachings, otherwise why will the bible state that the meek shall inherit the earth, yet you are waiting to be raptured away. The Mothership, is to clean the earth of filth and wickedness, and make all things new as prophesy says. Arab muslims? i have got anything to discuss with them or those that purposely enslave themselve under their doctrine.

keep up staining other people, ok, you keep pointing fingers like the christians before you did and you are doing the same, when there are no muslims, you would start with the traditionalists, when they ignore you , you face hindu, when those cut your head open, your likes will face buddhist, after you have all fought all and pointed fingers, then you face yourselves which will arise to a world war (this time you would clean yourselves finally off the universe), the whole world will have peace. I am not refering to all christians (good ones), i am refering to your type, hypocritic christians, who say they are christians but are not but ugly fowls and vultures.

Lol. sometimes I think you are an atheist who just pretends to be a Muslim so you can further tarnish the already battered image of Muslims.

Elkewwty:
Im not doging anything here, am not a religionist,

The bible glorifies genocide same way the koran did. stop being hypocrite

Hi friend.
Is there violence in the New testament (the new covenant), NO
Is there violence in the old testament. YES.
Is the historic context important to explain why, YES.
Did it happen over a 1000 years before Christ who came 2,014 years ago, YES.
Is God a loving father, just and merciful as well as capable of demanding justice, YES
Is God a loving father capable of
punishing rebellion and immorality, YES.
Is violence in Islam comparable to old testament violence, NO it is far far more worse.
Have "Christians" performed acts of violence, YES.
Is it commanded by Christ, NO.
Is atheism a better option, NO
Did atheism contribute to over 200million deaths (combined tolls from Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, Lenin) in the last century, YES

Apparently you think we have lived in a modern world since the beginning of time. With please, thank you, sorry and excuse me. There has been times of anarchy, chaos and immorality. Christ told us love thy neighbours, turn the other cheek etc. If more people acts as Christ commands the world would be a much happier place.

aminho:
"
8. Matthew 10:34-36 - "Do not think that I came
to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to
bring peace, but a sword. 35 "For I came to set a
man against his father, and a daughter against
her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her
mother-in-law; 36 "...and a man’s enemies will
be the members of his household."
..............................
9. Luke 12:51,52 - "Do you suppose that I came
to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather
division; 52 "for from now on five members in one
household will be divided, three against two, and
two against three..."
..............................
9. Luke 22:36- "And He said to them, "But now,
let him who has a purse take it along, likewise
also a bag, and let him who has no sword sell his
robe
and buy one.

Once again a Muslim quotes a text out of context. I don't know if its ignorance, lack of intellect or Taqiyya.

My dear let me explain, listen carefully, Jesus used PARABLES (as it was prophesied he would use in the old testament ), RHETORIC and he also used HYPERBOLES a lot to emphasis the seriousness of an issue. Get a dictionary and look up the means.

Matthew 10:34-35
King James Version (KJV)

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Thank you for quoting the verse 34 with 35 because it explains the proper context. Most atheists and Muslims avoid 35.
This is one of the verses Christ tells believers what to expect if we decide to follow him. And it is actually happening.
Muslims kill their family members if a member decides to leave Islam and become Christians, its in their sh'aria law. You know of the case in Sudan where a man reported his own sister for being a christain and she was sentenced to death. But as God would have it she is alive and well in the USA today. Even in Nigeria, in the time of the missionaries fathers disowned sons who abandoned serving their traditional deity and went to church. Even communists killed whole families for their believe in Christ.
The use of the word "sword" is clearly a metaphor. And just as the verse proclaimed their is no peace on earth because the kingdom is yet to come.

aminho:
"Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:
You must kill those who worship another god.
Exodus 22:20
..............................
2. Kill any friend or family that worship a god that
is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
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3. Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you
find people that worship differently than you.
Deuteronomy 13:12-16
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4. Kill everyone who has religious views that are
different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
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5. Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest.
Deuteronomy 17:12-13
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6. Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
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7. Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of
Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more
savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark
6:11
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8. Matthew 10:34-36 - "Do not think that I came
to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to
bring peace, but a sword. 35 "For I came to set a
man against his father, and a daughter against
her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her
mother-in-law; 36 "...and a man’s enemies will
be the members of his household."
..............................
9. Luke 12:51,52 - "Do you suppose that I came
to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather
division; 52 "for from now on five members in one
household will be divided, three against two, and
two against three..."
..............................
9. Luke 22:36- "And He said to them, "But now,
let him who has a purse take it along, likewise
also a bag, and let him who has no sword sell his
robe
and buy one.

I have been having some intelligent engagements with smart Muslims, who at least attempt to defend and not throw red herrings and who never bring up the old testament argument because the context explains itself and most smart Muslims know how ancient those verses are, they come to the Jews at a time in a world of immorality, lawlessness, anarchy, chaos and rebellion which was over a thousand years before Jesus who came and created our new and improved relationship with his father; 600 years afterwhich Mohammed suddenly came to preach stonings, beheading, rape of married captives your right hand possessed, child marriage etc ).

The same God you are told to believe handed the qu'ran to your prophet, commanded the Jews in the old testament allegedly. The same prophet that affirms the massages in the torah and injeel as I will prove below with 2 verses;

1. It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) (Surah 3:3).
2. If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers (Surah 10:94-95; 16:43)

Most intelligent qu'ran reading Muslims know that your quran affirms the torah and other chapters of the old testament and even the injeel.
They also know the fact that Christians don't live under the covenant of the old law (OT), infact this is why Islam is so anti Christanity. If you knew anything about theology you won't be here exposing your ignorance.

PastorKun:
At this point, I would choose to ignore you given your penchant to ignore facts and gloss over several grievous atrocities committed in the quoran.

Hey don't bother with gati ano.
He is a member of NOI, nation of Islam. He believes allah is a black man and he is awaiting an alien mothership. He isnt even a true Muslim by the low standards of Islam. Most Muslims will even disown him as an Islamic heretic.

dastranger:
Here we go again, putting every thing down as it appease you.. .if you want a comparative session with me, then you're gonna open your mind and we re gonna reason together...my apologies, how do you expect me to engage in chats with you when you wouldn't reason along but to believe everything you assume is right.. .sorry dear it's a waste of my precious time.. #sighs

So because my opinion does not agree with you therefore u won't engage in a discussion.
You say I put my opinion as it pleases me.
Well let me tell you something, your attitude is very common with Muslims (conservative and moderate alike).
No one is allowed to question ur quran and its author your prophet. If you try you get killed. THANK GOD for the internet.... Mohammed and his god didn't see the freedom of speech the internet will one day provide for man.

I didn't quote those verses out of context. The texts speak for themselves and went well with the contexts and Mohammed's circumstances; there was no joke,
no stories,
no allegories,
no metaphors,
no figure of speech,
no hyperboles with the commands in the qu'ran verses I quoted.
Mohammed said it as he claimed allah told him, and he says the words are for all time or do you disapprove

For instance, I have had Muslims who argue that sex with married captives (your right hand possessed) is not Rape. Which married woman who you just conquered her city and killed her people will willingly allow you to have intercourse with her while her husband is alive or
When I once quoted several clear verses from ur Koran and hadiths on taking slaves, not freeing slaves, having sex with already married slaves, rape of slaves, rape of captives, instructions on breeding slaves and Mohammed trading slaves.
The Muslim's defense was slavery then is not like slavery now.
Can you believe that. INSANE.
Even though I quote clear passages.
If you leave Muslims they will change the dictionary all to defend a false prophet.

aminho:
Why Do Christians also Believe that Everybody Should Be A Christian?at least in the Quran it says there is no compulsion in religion suratul baqara

Your book also says ,
Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Bukhari 2:24: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

A christain will bring the gospel to you and not draw a sword threatening to behead you if u don't convert or pay the jizyah.

aurenflani:
I refused to read the books written out of hatred against Allah,Islam, Muslims and Muhammad. I do not derive pleasure on the writtings of deceivers hiding under the guise o knowledge and then spew lies!

Saul (later renamed Paul) is an example of such enemies who hide behind "knowledge" for destruction. You know that he was an enemy of Christians who later made a u-turn (seemingly for more effective bastardisation of the Christian faith). He claimed to have seen"vision" and "Inspirations" began to flow from such visions helping him to re-write the Bible until more than half of the books of the new testament where nothing but Paul, Paul, Paul!!!

By which time he had actually made all the words of Jesus in the Bible worthless except his own words. Effectively, for each word that Jesus spoke in the Bible, Paul has a parallel contradictory word for it. Thus he succeded in establishing his new christianity.

The Holy Qur'an is perfect for knowledge seekers.

Am I surprised with your reply, NOPE. Its the typical ignorant close minded Muslim response I have come to expect. Yours came without the insults. attack Paul all you want, it won't reduce the glaring falsehood of Islam.

aurenflani:
I refused to read the books written out of hatred against Allah,Islam, Muslims and Muhammad. I do not derive pleasure on the writtings of deceivers hiding under the guise o knowledge and then spew lies!

Saul (later renamed Paul) is an example of such enemies who hide behind "knowledge" for destruction. You know that he was an enemy of Christians who later made a u-turn (seemingly for more effective bastardisation of the Christian faith). He claimed to have seen"vision" and "Inspirations" began to flow from such visions helping him to re-write the Bible until more than half of the books of the new testament where nothing but Paul, Paul, Paul!!!

By which time he had actually made all the words of Jesus in the Bible worthless except his own words. Effectively, for each word that Jesus spoke in the Bible, Paul has a parallel contradictory word for it. Thus he succeded in establishing his new christianity.

The Holy Qur'an is perfect for knowledge seekers.

Am I surprised with your reply, NOPE. Its the typical ignorant close minded Muslim response I have come to expect. Yours came without the insults. attack Paul all you want, it won't reduce the glaring falsehood of Islam.

ypeace:
In all the hadith and Qur'an verses you quoted, there is no mention of forced sex or rape. But since you claim while having intercourse is the same as while r.aping, then I fear your own version of english o. It would av been a valid discussion if what we are discussing is having sex with a slave.

I don't think it was you who gave the definition of Jesus in Islam. And the definition Islam gave to Jesus is one of the reason you don't agree with islam. The definition of prayer, God etc also differs. But here you are bringing your own definition of slaves as what islam define slave as. Probably you think they are people under chains, beaten, forced to do things againt their will etc.
I would be happy to be a slave and die a muslim under Muhammad. (saw) or any of his companions.

U have refused to see the evil in your book. millions of Muslims are leaving Islam every year in the middle east and north Africa even tho they are threatened with your law for apostates in Islam.
"If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." (Bukhari, Book 52, Number 260)
and
"The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." (Bukhari, Book 83 Number 17)

I have spent some time exposing you to your sources and tried to get a logical, sincere and humane response from you, yet you refuse to see the obvious.
You said, you would be happy to be a slave and die a muslim under Muhammad or any of his companions.
This is where I say u are a hypocrite. U are probably in the safety of your home and had dinner. Why aren't u out in the world following out this commands;
Qur'an (4:74)-"Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."
Qur'an (9:111)-"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."
Qur'an (2:207)-"And there is the type of man who gives his life to earn the pleasure of Allah..."
Qur'an (61:10-12)"O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement."

Bukhari (52:54)- The words of Muhammad:"I would love to be martyred in Al1ah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred." This is why modern-day Jihadists often say that they love death.

dastranger:
Koni itumo sii mi.....you see the problem with you is that you believe you know too much... But I'm sorry dear... Like I said I don't like blind arguments

I rest my case.
You have no argument to defend the evils in your book. U have accused me of being a woman hence u can't do comparative sessions on Islam and christainity religions.

Deep down you know these commands in Islam is immoral.
If you don't want to agree because u feel you will offend allah, you should know that the one true God YHWH is greater than allah. The one true God can't condone the lawlessness, hate and double standards in the quran.

ypeace:
when you mentioned: 'and probably tied up'. Then I think you dont know what a slave means in Islam. You were adding your own meaning to it.

You read an hadith about permission to have sex with slaves, you added forced sex to the hadith. Because you added it doesn't make it so. Forced sex is going beyond boundaries which is a purnisheable offence.

Sahih al Bukhari book 2, Hadith 29

Att Ar-Rabadha, I met Abu Dhar who was wearing a cloak, and his slave, too, was wearing a similar one. I asked about the reason for it. He replied, ' I abused a person by calling his mother with bad names.' The prophet (saw) said to me, 'o Abu Dhar! Did you abuse hi, by calling his mother with bad names? You still have some characteristics of ignorance. Your slaves are your brothers and Allah and has put them under your command. So, whoever has a brother under his command should feed him of what he eats and dress him of what he wears. Do not ask them (slaves) to do things beyond their capacity (power) and if you do so, then help thm.' ''

we don't even have the right to abuse them verbally talkless of forcing them to sex. Its a meaning you added to the permission.

So u bring this nice verse to try and counter the tens of verse I show u including the breeding of slave, rape of captives, Mohammed berating someone for freeing a slave..etc

Countinue justifying these evils.

Apparently u think I don't know Mohammed said some nice things. When Mohammed was in mecca as a "Warner" with few fellowers and warning the pagans he said a lot of nice things including the famous "there is no complusion in religion" and the infamous satanic verses to win fellowers. when he became a warrior he changed, called for his followers to slay, fight and subdue as well as rape. Its clear in your quran. Most Muslims argue "it is the historical context" that is overlooked. But I ask why is it that the quran has these passages if its words are eternal and for all times . Why doesn't your god know that one day things like slavery, paedophilia summary executions will be illegal in a modern context. Look at ISIS, they are carrying out the commands of allah to the letter. They are backing it up with the quran. Look at staunch Muslims like Anjem Choudary who have come out to say "enough is enough with the pretence and hypocrisy in Islam" the verse are clear. A slave is a slave, rape is rape. Stop looking for euphemisms and stop re-interpreting your quran.

Look at this Sahih Muslim 8:29: “IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE.”

Look at this Bukhari (62:137)- An account of women taken as slaves in battle by Muhammad's men after their husbands and fathers were killed. The woman were raped with Muhammad's approval.

Read the passages yourself they are very clear. Put your self in the shoes of the captives and slaves and tell me you will be happy

slye:
Ma'am I don't think this is what he meant by saying doesn't wanna chat you up

Even the Bible puts some restrictions on women... eg
1 Timothy 2:12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority
over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
.
Corinthians 14:34
The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are
not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the
Law also says.
.
Corinthians 11:1-34
Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. Now I commend you
because you remember me in everything and maintain the
traditions even as I delivered them to you. But I want you to
understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of
a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Every
man who prays or prophesies with his head covered
dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies
with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the
same as if her head were shaven.
.
1 Corinthians 14:35
If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their
husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak
in church.

Nice list of verses. Now my friend the old testament made it clear that men (high priests ) are at the vanguard of leading worship in the temples, its been like that then and it is like that now.

Now compare these verses with the ones I gave about Islam's regard for women. Mind you, I didn't quote quran verses allowing the rape of even married sex slaves incase u didn't notice.

And just as a reminder,women are counted as equal to men in Christianity.
Galatians 3:28p
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond(slave) nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

dastranger:
Like I said I don't like comparative sessions with females..I don't blame you if you cannot comprehend the reasons behind the verses you found Allah instructing muslims to fight.. Even some Muslims don't know the reasons.. go back and read the reasons for those verses about fight in this thread....I told you I ve already explained some part of the verses..it's on the first or second page I think.. If you want me to explain other verses that talks about fight.. Let me know ... And pls if you're not going to read it, don't quote me again... I don't like blind argument, and you can choose to belief whatever appease you... It's not my problem

Why do u say this,"Like I said I don't like comparative sessions with females..I don't blame you if you cannot comprehend the reasons behind the verses..."
I have given u verses from your quran, damning violent verses that encourage enmity, fighting and death while fighting for allah.
You say its historic circumstances. I remind you that your quran claims its words are clear and eternal, commands for all time. Yet u claim since I am a woman you don't like engaging me in comparative sessions. Is it because Mohammed and allah had little regard for women ;

Qur'an (4:11)- (Inheritance)"The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females"(see also verse4:176). In Islam, sexism is mathematically established.

Qur'an (2:282)- (Court testimony)"And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women." Muslim apologists offer creative explanations to explain why Allah felt that a man's testimony in court should be valued twice as highly as a woman's, but studies consistently show that women are actually less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they would make more reliable witnesses.

Qur'an (2:228)-"and the men are a degree above them[women]"

Qur'an (5:6)-"And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt on their hands if there is no water to purify them following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).

Qur'an (24:31)- Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye. (To be fair, men are told to do the same thing in the prior verse).

Qur'an (2:223)-"Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." A man has dominion over his wives'bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse, which it has been used historically to justify. If this is what Muhammad meant, however, then it would appear to contradict what he said inMuslim (8:3365).

Qur'an (4:3)- (Wife-to-husband ratio)"Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four" Inequality by numbers.

Qur'an (53:27)-"Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.

Qur'an (4:24)andQur'an (33:50)-A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom they right hand possesses).