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yazach:"Surprise Surprise" . Another muslim quotes the bible out of context. Well NO its not a surprise. The level of ignorance u Muslims exhibit is shocking. Classic strawman. U make a false assumption and attack it thinking u are making a point while u only exhibit ur ignorance for basic theology and clear passages. You said,"LoL. Well you try for your ill-self explanation and as a result, I will comment on just two of your statement" Well my friend my explanation was honest, accurate and with enough details and authentic verses to back it up. I know why u decided to "address" the 2 statements, which coincidentally are associated with christainity, its because u can't even address the terrible amount of vices in your quran and hadiths with my emphasis on the inhumane treatment of slaves by Mohammed as commanded by his allah. This is the typical muslim. You also said,"Firstly, @bold, are you opposing Jesus by the statement in bold red color? :-" I affirm and support everything Jesus teaches. I really won't bother explaining that verse Matthew 5:17-18 in depth to u because my effort will be wasted on you but nevertheless I will give u a brief insight. Jesus said, "“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law UNTIL EVERYTHING IS ACCOMPLISHED". He was crucified, died and was resurrected and hence paid the price for the sins of those who accept him hence ACCOMPLISHING EVERYTHING as prophesied. There is more theological meaning to this like; Jesus illustrates the Law by doing as the real Law requires, in contrast to how many Pharisees were living but I won't go into it. In addition St Paul a literate Jewish scholar, guided by the holy spirit and who understood the scripture wrote in Galatians 3:23-25; Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian." So u see my friend, u will never understand this if u remain under the bondage of Islam and closeminded thinking. Then you said,"Secondly, Thank God you accept that bible also support slavery, but I notice a kind of hidden in you statements that it is mentioned in Old testament This makes me laugh." Wow.. Now u are making a fool of yourself and on top of that you are now lying...and Your English is getting more difficult to understand. Look at what I said in that my previous comment and I quote it back to you, "...Your heart is darken and it is difficult to understand the message of God, the bible does not support slavery but gave commands for their fair treatment" So u see u are really confused. But I won't blame you. Its the lying spirit of Islam in you. Then you said' " Apart from the fact that Jesus did not come to abolish those laws, he put it in to practice by: The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it." Be careful what u say about Jesus, even your sources command you to respect him... and saying false things about the Son of God ..well I hope he forgives you. That passage u quoted Luke 12:47-48 is an explanation of the parable of the watchful servant(Luke 12:35-40). Start from Luke 12:35-40 that's the parable and in Luke 12:41 peter then asks Christ,"Lord does this parable apply to us or do you mean it for everyone" the Christ explains that parable with a metaphorically story about the faithful or unfaithful servant which you quoted ignorantly to try and justify the verses encouraging slavery in your quran. I really do get tried and bored of correcting u Muslims but I must. No matter how u try, u can never bring the teachings in Christianity to the putrid level of Islam's teachings in the quran and hadiths. |
Rilwayne001:Hey friend I notice u either lie with so much confidence or u just don't know what u are talking about. U need to get ur facts straight. |
truthman2012:Yes buhari did say that. Its on record. I know about turkey. Very sad case. You do know abt the Sophia haggi. The Muslims converted that beautiful church to a mosque at one point. That's Islam for you. I had been a nominal christain and I thank God I am far more awake, not perfect but trying. I am of the view that the greatest threat to Christians isn't really Islam but nominal Christians and false "christain" teachers. Christians that are unaware and overtly liberal. Left wing Liberalism that supports gay marriages, abortions and so many ills that the bible condemns. Christians that can't defend their scripture and take a decent pounding on their faith and yet remain faithful. We Christians are lucky that Islam is a house divided against itself, if it wasn't for their divisions and killing of one another we could have been living under sharia and paying the jizyah. |
truthman2012:Anybody who thinks that the "isalmization" of Nigeria is not possible obviously has no idea of the domination/"all submission" ideology of Islam and the extent the conservative northern elites will go to spite the progressive southerners. Go and look at youtube videos of what Ahmedu bello, religious bigot extraordinare and tribalist,and see what he had to say about southerns, especially the Ibos. This is a man the northerners hold in high esteem. If anyone is still in doubt you should then findout why there are over 48 Islamic countries. It will be hard to ever "isalmization" Nigeria but why do we need to give a self confessed pro sharia northern conservative religious bigot a chance. |
tartar9:The choice is Convert to the evil ideology of Islam pay the jizyah Or be beheaded, just as Mohammed did in his time. [size=18pt] This poster tartar9 is a jihadist. .his pic is posted below...[/size]
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matrixx9:You just quoted the bible clearly and yet failed to understand it. The bible didn't say Ladies should NOT wear Trousers. It says what pertaineth unto a man. Vice versa for males. Hence men shouldn't wear female trousers and females shouldn't wear male trousers. Can't u see this. The scripture was talking about cross dressers, dragqueens; this is common with homosexuals or the sexually deviant people in society. Having said this I must add that skirts and gowns are by far more appealing on a woman's body than trousers, but a woman has the right to chose to dress how she feels most appropriate for herself. |
Sola scriptura meets African mediocrity. |
PastorKun:I have noticed this is well. When u bring the evidence of the falsehood of Islam upon them they run. Some Muslims even admit they are not knowledgeable enough to answer. Or give silly defense of the vices in the quran. |
PastorKun:Tartar9 is being honest here. Unlike the majority of Muslims he stated facts about the command to spread Islam via force and jihad. Here are some narrations, hadiths and quran verses to understand his mindset. Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men." Tabari VIII:40 "The Messenger of God commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence." Quran 8:39. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do." Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them." Bukhari 2:24: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah." |
Abdulsalam20:What will it take for u Muslims to see u are deceived. Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus was called Lord several times by those who he healed and delivered, and he never rebuked when people worshipped him (Matthew 14:30-33) Moreover in John 5:22-23 22 , says the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father. Whoever does not honour the Son does not honour the Father, who sent him. Jesus judges us all, Jesus is one with God and the son of God. The scripture is very clear on the nature of Jesus. Check also Mathew 11:27, 17:5,John 5:17-18 The scripture is also very clear in; 1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son. 1 John 4:2-3 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." Several times this term is used in the plural, and can be applied to almost anyone who is opposed to Christ. Those who deny that Jesus came in the flesh are anti-Christ or of the spirit of antichrist. 1 John 4:1 beloved,believe not every spirit,but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets has gone into the world. This is one of the ways to discern a false teacher from a true one. In 1 Corinthians 14:33 My bible tells me in clear terms that God is not the author of confusion. There is so much confusion in Islam ask the Wahabi, Salafists, sunnis, shites alwaites, ahmedies. They KILL each other because of their differences. My bible also tell me in Matthew 7:15-20,“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them." Islams fruits are rotten and that's the truth my friend. So in conclusion; God the father acknowledged Jesus as his son (john 17:5) Jesus called himself the Son of God. His disciples called him the son of God. Isaiah from the old testament prophesied about him and called Jesus the son of God. Angel Gabriel in the first chapter of Luke called Jesus the Son of God. John the baptist called Jesus the son of God. The Jews who hated him accused him of claiming he is the Son of God Demons he casted out called him the son of God. Yet u Muslims choose to believe the words of a pagan sex addicted slave trader mass murderer illiterate Arab paedophile who died after he was poisoned. May the one true God, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, father of Jesus set you free when u come to him for truth. |
truthman2012:its shameful that what a muslim man expects of paradise at the end of his life is to have sex with 72virgins to deflower for eternity. Consuming wine and dates with slaves to do his bidding. I wonder what Muslims women wait for. Maybe they will be disvirg.ined everyday for enternity. Sounds more like a punishment. |
tartar9:Another Muslim exhibits the spirit of Mohammed by insulting. My friend all the vices I mentioned are in you quran and hadith and I am well acquainted with the passages. If u are ready we can examine it. |
ypeace:Islam is a political ideology based on totalitarianism. That is why we have oppressive Islamic countries. 2 clear examples Saudi Arabia and Iran. Christians are not even allowed in parts of Saudi. Christians and even sunnis are oppressed in Iran. The same way shia are murdered in sunni strong holds. Religious Governments don't work. This is why there is separation of church and state because Governments and corruption go together like bread and butter. How my country decides to deal with criminals, boko haram, invaders, attackers etc is my Governments business but I will support my government as long as it does not condone or perpetuate evil. The Islamic ottoman empire perpetuated evil and killed millions of Armenians. Did other Muslims go out and help them. NO because the crime was perpetuated by an Islamic empire. Christain charity groups have been catering for Muslims in refugee camps in the north despite fears of boko haram expansion. I wonder if Muslims would help christains if the opposite was the case. I am tired of explaining to u. U can bring up another topic, slavery, whatever etc. |
limamintruth:I have explained this to yazach before. He keeps forgetting. But by Gods grace he will one day be free from the bondage of the antichrist |
balash:Salam alaykum my friend Truthman2012 has no hatred for you Muslims infact he has love for you hence he has to devote some of his time to exposing the falsehood of Islam to you Muslims before it is too late. Mohammed was not a prophet and the proof is glaring in the quran and hadiths. Please bring up any issue u have with Christianity and we share ponder on it in turn we shall seek to address why Islam and your false prophet endorses, supports and encourages slavery or child marriage or paedophilia or sex with captives (that your right hand possess) or beheadings or stonings or revenge missions or assassination of his critics or the abrogations of revelations or polygamy(legalised adultery) or temporary marriage (legalised prostitution still practised by the shi'a), domestic violence against women, or inferiority of women or Al Taqiyya (use of deceit) or Inc.est (he slept with his adopted son's ex wife after he divorced her since Mohammed lusted after her), or sex with sex slaves (which he did often), or No adpotion in Islam(there by leaving countless orphans destitute) or his irrational hate of wall garkos (little lizards) or dogs (mans best friend) or the 72 virgins which you will dis.virgin over and over again with your perpetual erections or Mohammed's sharing of war booty or any other vice of your choice in the Qu'ran .. |
truthman2012:He was probably too busy with Aisha and his 10 other wives and numerous sex slaves and forgot to eat his dates. |
yazach:Loool. Did u say low intelligence. Am I surprised at this derogatory remark. NOPE. You see, when a muslim is cornered in a discussion about the Vices in the quran and hadiths , that terrible spirit of Islam pushes him to throw insults and red herrings so he can make an escape. BUT I won't let u go off that easy. You said,"I have asked you ones why bible would support slavery but your answer can only be "Christian has nothing to do with Old testament" as if God of Old testament is different from God of New testament." No true christain would say this, when I get asked these questions about the Old testament I look at the context and explain it. A fact you Muslims forget often is that Christians don't live under the old testament, that Law was given to the ancient Jews but Christians are very associated with the old testament because of this important reason- the coming of Christ was foretold therein. You mentioned something about slavery in the bible, Let's analyze some verses and compare it with the quran and Mohammed who came 3000years after some of theses commands were given in the torah. Exodus 21: 7-11, ...And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to MARRY HIS SON, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as HIS DAUGHTER. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a FREE WOMAN without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) Remember, like I told you before, this is ancient law, thousands of years before Jesus and your prophet. However see the effort at fairness. The "worse" treatment of slaves in the old testament is far better than your best verse on slavery in the quran. Now let's analyze the verse Jews were ALLOWED TO MARRY SLAVES AND THEY ARE FREE TO LEAVE HENCE NOT AGAISNT THEiR WILL as the ending of that passage shows. in your haste to embarrass the old testament you once again condemn the Islam as evil . Let's see how slaves are treated in Islam even if they are married. Qur'an (4:24)-"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Even sex with married slaves is permissible. Hence the crime of sex slavery and adultery was approved by your prophet. Qur'an (8:69)-"But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part, ISIS are very much inlove with this verse. Qur'an (33:50)-"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee" Qur'an (23:5-6)-"..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves. More vices. See also Qur'an (70:29-30). The Quran is a small book, so if Allah used valuable space to repeat the same point four times, then sex slavery must be very important to him and Mohammed. Qur'an (24:32)-"And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves..." Breeding slaves based on fitness. This is sickening. Qur'an (2:178)-"O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female." The message of this verse, which prescribes the rules of retaliation for murder, is that all humans arenotcreated equal. The human value of a slave is less than that of a free person (and a woman's worth is also distinguished from that of a man's). Your heart is darken and it is difficult to understand the message of God, the bible does not support slavery but gave commands for their fair treatment. Now let's look at what happened to Jews who kidnapped people with an attempt to sell them. "He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death." ( Exodus 21:16) Another example, "If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished." ( Exodus 21:20) Now let's take a look at the new testament Galatians 3:28p There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond(slave) nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 1 Corinthians 12:13:"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond(slave) or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." Colossians 3:11:"Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond(slave) nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. if you want to understand any other Old testament passage, get a Holy Bible, read the it and ask me for information regarding the larger context if you are too lazy to read the entire chapter. Then compare it with your quran and you will see its falsehood for what it is. |
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What makes you feel you are following the right path apart from the fact that you have been brainwashed from your childhood days?