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Eastfield1:
.can u provide any evidence that an igbo man was appointed to govern them?
look, U can stilk to ur Beer parlour gossip for as long as u get satisfaction n consolation in it but it wont change d fact that all u hv said are just beer parlour gossips

Okonkwo, an Anioma son was appointed the military governor of the Midwestern region renamed Republic of Benin.

I guess the Afonja feel that the Midwestern Igbos are not fit to govern the region, when in fact, Osadebay Dennis was the last democratic leader of the Midwest and he was Igbo too.

Diademk07:
You're a real clown I swear! It's no suprise though because I've always known that ibos, lies, stupidity and revisionism are synonymous!

How can you put an ibo to govern the Bini republic? Are you that dumb that your folks carved out Bini republic from the midwest only to put an ibo man to govern them? Does Okonkwo look like Bini to you? Didn't you know that it caused the rife between Bankole and Ojukwu? Bankole had to object to it because that was never the plan and from henceforth, he began to see how stupid he was to join the greedy biafra in their stupid struggle which was actually land grabbing struggle in the first place.

Furthermore, everyone knows how your devilish folks attacked the binis, the facts are all there to see! The fact that you tried to deny it already shows that you know how devilish and animalistic your folks were, to have done such a terrible thing!

Let me also point to you that apart from Omoigui historical excerpt, Igho, another midwest from Delta laid emphasis on how your greedy folks invaded the midwest, killed and raped the Binis and Etsako brethren because some of them were Muslims, separated them and appointed an ibo man to govern them! All your atrocities were all records and even the Deltans and Binis know this!

And no, the Aniocha/Oshimili are no midwsetern than the other folks in the midwest. Their lands are not only poor, infertile but also small! Prior to the Civil war, the midwest actually wanted them to join their folks on the river bank because the midwest fear they will likely betray them which they eventually did BTW!

That said, it's no fault of Yorubas that Lagos was the Capital state. Besides, it was on records that Awolowo told the Northerners to remove their Machineries from Lagos but no, you greedy land grabbing folks couldn't just help yourself like you always do! For this, I'm always thankful and grateful to God for giving us wonderful leaders who worked tirelessly to ensure you greedy clowns were promptly dealt with!

Never have I seen such verbose piece of gabbage before. So incoherent and so lacking in rational thought process

Republic of Benin was a name Given to Midwestern region by Biafrans. It was named so because the capital of Midwest was in Benin city, not because it contained only Binis.

There is nothing to deny. The burden of proof lies on the Bini and non Igbo Midwesterners fable tellers including their collaborators to provide the name of the Biafran unit involved in the phantom massacre in Bini. Ndiigbo in Asaba has the name of the commanding military officers and soldiers involved in Asaba massacre.

It doesn't take much to separate truth from lies.

Either way, this Midwestern talk is only a diversion tactics on your part, as it does not in anyway dispel the fact that Yorubas were part and parcel of the Nigerian nation that invaded Biafra, and your talk of neutrality has no rational ground whatsoever.

Diademk07:
We were actually neutral until your folks showed they couldn't be trusted. If you had passed through the Midwest peacefully without attacking the dwellers nor the dwellers of Ore as well as informed us before your invasion, nobody would have batted an eye nor tried to stop you but no, you acted otherwise!

Did you expect us to be looking like zombies while your folks attacked Ore and the whole Ondo at large especially when we were all aware of your stupid exploit in Midwest? I'm from Ondo state and I guide my origin jealously even till present. So you can't play any bullshit with me!

And no, Okonkwo was no midwestern, he was an ibo man from the Midwest, the Aniocha/Oshimli folks are ibos!

You can't be hosting and romancing with those attacking my land and same time claim neutral.
The war was Nigeria vs Biafra. Yoruba was with Nigeria full throttle, the only way your prove your neutrality was chasing the Nigerian military out of your region, You didn't. This is simple logic.

No Midwesterner was attacked by Biafran troops, if the Edos think otherwise, they should provide proof by telling us the name of Biafran unit involved and their commanders or the name of any prominent person that can be verified that was murdered by Biafrans.

Ndiigbo murdered and massacred in Asaba can tell the name of Nigerian unit and their commanders involved in the Asaba massacre.

Okonkwo appointment as the leader of the Midwest was in order,as he was a legitimate mid western, more so than Edos and the rest, since the elected person ousted from power, Osadebey in the region by the military was his tribes man.

Okonkwo was a Midwesterner, more midwesterner than any Edo, Urhobo, Itsekiri, Isoko or Ijaw, as the legitimate power that was usurped in mid west by the Nzeogwu gang was also an Igbo one, in the person of Osadebey. The Igbos were first class Midwesterners.
Your attempt at writing them off as strangers in their region is mischievous.

Diademk07:
Because we do not have the Yoruboids in the midwest too? Does that give you devilish people the right to attack them?

Look at this dumb revisionist! What was Okonkwo doing governing Benin region? Is Benin an eastern state? You mean your fraudster of a leader never pillaged the midwest land? What a fucking lying coward! I schooled in Benin city hence I'm aware that the folks there knows about your treacherous and devilish works in their land back in the days.

Let me also point you to the fact that it's no fault of ours that Lagos was the central capital of Nigeria or houses the tools used to deal with your folks, you dummy! But what did your dumb folks do? Went ahead to destroy and rape the midwest region, invaded and attacked Ore while you eediot kept on propagating the lies that you were only passing through the cities en route to Lagos! Is that how you pass through a city? Do you do that by attacking the region and raping their women while appointing your folks as governors of the said region?

I'm always thankful to God that our leaders dealt with you and your cunny ways and preserved our lands from you land grabbing greedy clowns! Can you imagine?

The funny thing is we shouldn't have been neutral from the start considering how your devilish folks killed Akintola and our other leaders. We should have been in the thick of the fight right from the start to avenge our leaders whom your folks killed!

What a clown!

You were never neutral from the start. That's the point. And for all your ranting, you are only confirming that.

Okonkwo was a Midwestern, and before the military take over, Osadebey an Igbo man from
Asaba was an elected premier Of the Midwestern region who governed the region from Benin too.

Your Edo friends are entitled to their beer parlour gossips, as long as its understood that they are nothing but beer parlour gossip bereft of facts, we are all cool.

back2sender:
This is the first time am seeing my in laws coming out to call a spade a spade.
This is a new beginning! We need to call out our past and current givernors for thier performance without tribalising or Using religious coloration.
My in laws well done for once

Nonsense!

T.A Orji had been the most bashed governor in Nigeria by his people since 2007. There are many threads on Nairaland here opened by Ndiigbo to vast T.A Orji.
This is not the beginning, this is the norm in Igboland.

We are not like some people who celebrate mediocres and criminals like Aregbesola and them rest.

Even as bad as T.A was, he never left Abia in massive debt.

Diademk07:
You're speaking trash man!

Were you also chasing the enemy from the midwest while you destroyed and pilage Bini lands, killing and raping the Auchi brethren as well as appointing your kinsman, Okoro to govern them?

Did you expect us to lay low and allow you to have access through our land after all your stupid and greedy exploits in our neighbouring region?

You're an eediot and a clown!

Still Old trash. Midwest is a region with Igbos in it too. The pillaging and killing happened in omogui delusions.

Till now he( Omogui) the originator of that propaganda is yet to produce the name of Biafran commander and Biafran units involved in the so called pillaging and killing Of Midwest minorities.

Either, way whatever happened in Midwest is irrelevant to the issue of this discussion. Which is that Yorubas were never neutral in the conflict from the very beginning, as they housed the Northern military headquarters from where plans to invade the East was hatched, they treacherously claimed to not be able to chase the Northerners away from the region and at the same time, ganged up with the same northerners to refuse Biafra entry into their region to deal with the Northern military occupation there.

Next time, if you have no meaningful contribution to the discussion, stay off my mention and let your superiors do the talking.

Olu317:
Bukola is a Yoruba man. His father was a Yoruba man. And governor of kwara state, Abdulfattah Ahmed is a Yoruba man from Igbomina. His mother died few months back. She was a Christian.

Buhari is Yoruba, Atiku is Yoruba, Aliyu Babangida is Yoruba, Igala is Yoruba, lol

Delusional beings. Keep deceiving yourselves.

apcisevil:
It is a shame the igbo you hate is the one owning the ND oil...this speak a lot about your weakness ogogoro drinking habit...

While you are at it, I hope your northern lords will be better off than igbo after restructuring...

Also, is it the same igbo you hate that is withholding the restructuring? Of course I know Zombie is an incurable disease

Don't fall into his trap. In as much as Ijaws are mostly Igbophobic, they are not aversed to self determination.

The level of palpitations this particular moniker develop at the mention of self determination is very "Afonjaic", I have no iota of doubt that he is an Afonja or an Afonja overlord.

GMbuharii:
there has only been one so called biggest good4nothing useless region and people that qualifies as parasites in zoogeria,and thats has always been the ppl who said no to true federalism,no to resource control,no to foundamental constitutional change,no to PIB,no to RESTRUCTURING,etc,and here u are opening ur mouth and making mention of parasite!!! I de laff o...
And again,I am a proud Edo boy and my region,the niger delta, has been bearing the burden of this big4nothing zoo and the equally big4nothing useless north,and u,as unenlightened as ever,is tagging me a parasite! Smh indeed. We support ipob cos they stand for freedom and emancipation..i cant say anything more cos am trying hard not to laff.......

please,i am not calling for a breakup here,why are u guys soo scared to the bones of a breakup?

Is it so obvious now? The trepidation the Yorubas get at the mention of disintegration.

Very reminiscent of that of parasite to elimination.

freshdude99:
O boy if you come my village honestly you won't believe ur eyes. If you know anyone from Anambra state, just ask them about the recent market we just built (Enugwu-Agidi) in less than 6months. Am not telling telling u state project o, we built it our self. The duplexes in that market eh pass the entire duplex in ur entire village. Quote me anywhere oga

You have time for those people. We have been there and back before with them on this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/2576371/eastern-neighbourhoods-streets-made

All their propaganda of an undeveloped Eastern region was squashed there, and they went back to their mud house enclaves with the tails between their legs.

Yet after some time, they will come back again with the same propaganda. They just can't help it. It's in their genetic make up.

MayorofLagos:
East has never been developed independently by its people, always waiting for FG to come with hands out. Likewise they have never been able to launch and operate a successful political party.

North is more developed than East and have managed successfully multiple poliical parties.

In comparison East is the least developed of the three. This is attested to by the high population of Internally Displaced Persons of Ibo origin scattered about the landscape of Nigeria because of the unbearable rot back in Iboland.

Irrelevant drivel and rantings of an inconsequential Yoruba Muslim defending his Northern overlords.

The Fulanis often adopt the language and some aspects of the people they conquered. It's a survival strategy of a minority conquerer to take the form of the conquered to retain power.

Fulani rulers of Hausas did this in Hausa lands too. They all speak Hausa.

ikechu1:
I'm just loving this argument.

Igboid I stay learning a lot from you. Salute to your brain my brother.

Brother, I have learnt alot from you too. Thanks.

MayorofLagos:
You should be concerned about the quality of Anber's work for many reasons.

1. He is unfamiliar with the land and people his work is based on.
2. He proposes that you were ahead of every ethnic group in development but yet unable to effectively explain why you were politically weak.
3. Of all the credits he gave to East and its people there are no substantial resource, whether in material or production on ground to back up the claims.

We can show pictures of Cocoa House, Ikeja industrial layout, Ilupeju industrial layout, Western Nigeria Broadcasting Corporation, Liberty Stadium......Ahmadu Bello Stadium, Kaduna municipality, Ahmadu Bello University and so on. Achievements that support Baba Clark's claims for West and North.

Do you have pictures of East before the war and can we see how they supportAnber's claims of your developments?

How exactly was Abner unfamiliar with the Nigerian groups. Lol! The history and achievements of Nigerian groups are well documented. You have no proof of Abner not knowing about Nigerian groups other than your bias.


Politically weak as how? What's the link between political power and economic prosperity in this case? The North is supposed to be the most politically strong group in Nigeria today, yet the most backward in all ramifications.
In terms of the era in discuss, Ndiigbo were politically stronger than Yorubas. Of the three regions,we had two Igbo premiers in Osadebey and Okpara.

What substantial resource do you speak of? The East always had coal, palm oil and even Cocoa. You have no point here once again.


Your assessment is rather subjective without facts and figures.
This is onitsha during the era in discuss: https://www.nairaland.com/2497740/vintage-pictures-onitsha-anambra-before

Imagine asking me to start posting pics? To what's end?

rlauncher:
There are lots of work out there where people site references, that have been found to be misrepresenting fact.

In fact, it is well known in the 50s and 60 s that the British people are always doing everything possible to limit the political power and influence of the late Chief Obafemi Awolowo by dismembering Yorubaland such that some parts were not situated within the Western region.

The also put toward fallacious , unbelievable statistics that does not rhyme with the situation on ground

Anything that floats your boat, bro.

MayorofLagos:
You are still quoting Paul Anber,a foreigner who never set foot in Nigeria but took accounts of his book from Achebe. Did Paul study the Yoruba to get a fair sense of their comparative position with Ibo? NO. He was fed by Chinua Achebe, a disgruntled man who if it was not for the benevolence of Yoruba would not have amounted to anything. Anber was the outlet Achebe used to achieve his revision and twisting of social indices from their true records.

Anber said he got his information from office of statistics. That office is still in existence, bring us records from Nigerian archives showing where each region was and had accomplished in the 50s. I bet you Ibo is behind Hausa.

Anber work was published. And he cited his references.

He is a third party with no parochial interests.

I'd take his work over lies propagated by Yoruba media propaganda.
Repeated by senile dumb Clark with no statistical back up.
He dropped his references. It's left for you to look for them. If you doubt the authenticity of his work.

Your personal opinion about him is inconsequential in the matter

rlauncher:
The document you submitted can be easily used to mislead. The Igbos having more teachers in school does not mean the same as having more pupils in school.The west employed the numbers of teachers they can cater for . Pupils ratio to teachers at that time in the west used to be 40 to 1 and we used to have shifts. Some people will go to school in the morning while the rest will go in the afternoon.

The document also confirmed what I said about Zik using his position and influence to make sure that Igbo people practically occupy all the positions in Federal ministries and parastatals.

Did you notice that the writer did not mention the Igbos dominating the multinationals and Industries. Why? Because it requires real competition to get employment with those companies while government work was based on man knows man

It doesn't get more hilarious than this. Like seriously?

Ojiofor:
Rulers of Nigeria | Rulers of Region of Nigeria (1954-67) | States Rulers | Traditional polities

The regions gained self-rule on 1 Oct 1954. Military governors were installed after the coup of 15 Jan 1966. During the abolition of federalism 24 May - 31 Aug 1966, the regions were redesignated "groups of provinces," and the governors continued in office under the new designations. On 27 May 1967 the regions were dissolved and 12 states created instead.
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Eastern
Governors
1 Oct 1954 - 1956 Sir Clement Pleass (b. 1901 - d. 1988)
1956 - Oct 1960 Sir Robert Stapledon (b. 1909 - d. 1975)
21 Oct 1960 - 16 Jan 1966 Akanu Ibiam (b. 1906 - d. 1995)
19 Jan 1966 - 1967 Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu (b. 1933)
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Premiers
1 Oct 1954 - Dec 1959 Nnamdi Azikiwe (b. 1904 - d. 1996)
Jan 1960 - 16 Jan 1966 Michael Okpara (b. 1920 - d. 1984)

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Read more: http://www.onlinenigeria.com/rulers/region.asp#ixzz4LyCiQRUJ

Eastern region was created by Bernard Bourdillon in 1939. She gained her autonomy in 1954.

omonnakoda:
That is Igbos for you always looking down on minorities. They coined the phrase Ogoni piopio and Mmongo for Ibibio people

Yea right? Yorubas and Abokis are the ones that love them.

Mmongo is not a derogatory word, it's used by the Ngwas alone to refer to their Ibibio neighbors.

The same Ngwas use the term "Ohuhu" to refer to their Igbo speaking non Ngwa neighbors. It's by no way derogatory.

Even these minorities have their own unique names for their Igbo speaking neighbors.

If you are on a mission to create enmity between Ndiigbo and her neighbors, you are sure doing a poor job of it, and you are way too conspicuous in your approach. You need to restrategize.

Ojiofor:
Eastern region came into existence in 1954 and people like Elechi Amadi was born in 1934 that is 20 years before Eastern region was extablished and he was named Elechi which is obviously Igbo name by his father whose fathers name was Amadi.
Again,who forced Elechi Amadi ancestors to name their children Igbo names way before Europeans set foot in Eastern region!

Eastern region came into being in 1939. But your points stands still, as Relechi Ramadi was born before 1939.

omonnakoda:
Others may argue that Igbos bear Ikwerre names . Your logic is incomplete. Why can't Igbos be descendants of Ikwerres?

It couldn't be that Igbos copied Igbo language from Ikwerres, since Ikwerres propound that they are Bini descendants and that the current Igboid language they speak is a result of Igbo imposition.

You can't eat your cake and have it.

Omu- Rumu-Umu-Umun. All the same Damn thing in the Igbo dialectical continuum.

rlauncher:
Where did you get your lies from?

They are the bitter truth you hate to hear, because you are covered with falsehoods.

The thread was opened by a mischievous Yoruba man
With intent of widening the rifts in the Eastern region. And not really because he is interested in learning.

MayorofLagos:
I dont know who told you Paul Anber is fictional. The burden is on you to prove Baba Clark wrong on his historical recounts.

Lol! Nothing about Clark rant is historical. He just gave his opinions, with no stats or figures to back them up.

MayorofLagos:
It is not the ranking..the fact is it exists in all the forest belts. Cocoa on the other hand was only in West, nowhere else.

Thats what Elder Clark is telling you...that Zik had his priorities wrong just as your leaders today who are pumping money into Kano, Abuja and Lagos and leaving East to rot.

Cocoa was grown in the East too, but at a lesser quantity.

Clark made no point but just to repeat Yoruba propaganda.

MayorofLagos:
Paul Anber was an associate of Chinua Achebe. So it is well understood why Paul, who is a foreigner and un-intimate with any other region but the Ibo society, would comment in favor of East....afterall his feeder, Achebe was a member of the Biafran propaganda think tank. Achebe was also notorious for manipulating and changing records from their truths. There is correlation between his writings and the timing of the war and thus can be categotized as a war sympathizer and discredited as a biased informant.

Do me a favor, since he sourced his facts from the Nigerian archive, do you not think you will be better served presenting the material directly from archives than through a middleman whose credibility is in question?

Make me a believer and give me your facts from the Federal Office of Statics.

Do you have any stat contrary to those stated by Anber?
Any stat whatsoever from a third party to corroborate Yoruba falsehood of Western region ever being ahead of Eastern region?
Initially, Yorubas said that there was no character known as Paul Anber, that he is a fictional character, now the argument is that he is a friend of Achebe and doctored his report.

It's very important for Clark to paint a false picture of a broke Eastern region incapable of funding education and industrialization pre civil war.

As it fits his fantasy Of the East amounting to nothing without non minorities crude oil discovery.

This agenda of a broke East is necessary also for the Yoruba, north and other Igbophobic agents out there, as it fuels their propaganda of the East decision to secede being crude oil driven in 1966 and the East not being to make it today, without minorities crude oil.

But this is where they all failed. Cos we all know that the East was head and shoulders above the rest of the country between 1953-66, without the crude oil.

" '' A system of Universal primary education was introduced in Eastern Nigeria in 1953, though the mission schools had already prospered in the Region long before then. Despite the fact that there was a requirement for limited contributory fees, education continued to be very much in demand. Even at the time when universal primary education was first introduced, the percentage of the population over seven years of age who were literate was higher in the East than in any other Region: East, 10.6 per cent; West 9.5 percent; North, 0.9 percent. Since 1959, the East has had more teachers and pupils than any other area of the country, with the heaviest emphasis on primary education. Figures for elementary and secondary education indicate that the approximate ratio of teachers to population in 1963 was 1 to every 1,500 in the East, 1 to every 2,500 in th West, and 1 for every 10,000 in the north.

These are the facts facing you , Mr timeman, and it's not different from available stats from JAMB, WAEC, unity schools, etc of today.

The East as of 1953 was educationally ahead of the western region. We found a system of UBE that incorporated the missionaries, parents and govt , and did wonders with it.

We never needed free education, we found a way around that conundrum.

chrisblack:
You want to tell me you know better than Clark bah.why is it difficult to embrace the truth.what he said was an historical fact.Please learn to embrace the truth. Some of you are just not happy cause you have built all your fake stories on stuff you are no witness to.The funny thing is even when you are lying to others you know in your heart you are not truthful.

Clark is a senile ignorant dumb fellow.

He had no documented stats to back his rhetorics. It's obvious he was trying to curry favour from Yorubas by reciting your media falsehoods to you.

There are simply no facts to back his claims.

The East had more children enrolled in schools despite no free education, because we found better means to get them to enroll.

The East had industrial estates all over the. Eastern region and had them all powered by Oji river power plant. Infact, the East produced the highest amount of electricity amongst all the regions.

The East didn't have any need to build an edifice( Cocoa) house for the sake of building it. We had better things to do with our revenue.

Economic activities in the East was booming as we had more registered credit association members than the rest of the country.

Our better standard of living were reflected in the more number of registered vehicles and hospitals in the East than anywhere else in the country.


All these facts are in direct conflict with the picture of a broke East Clark was trying to paint.

Eastern region had no free education scheme, yet we had more of our people enrolled in school than the west, because we had far more superior administrators and master planners who came up with a better scheme known as "Ibu anyi ndada scheme".

We have always been capitalists and not socialists and devised policies that made sure our systems worked better than the rest of the country, because we had always been blessed with superior technocrats.

timeman:
Dude such as @igboid would always derail with unrelated & irrelevant rhetorics alike...geez!!. We're talking about contributions from indigenous political leaders he's talking Mission Schools.Mtcheeew! No time for radarada.
Accept the truth!

Paul Anber's essay "Modernization and Political Disintegration: Nigeria and the Ibos" published in the journal of Modern African Studies vol. 5, No 2 (Sep, 1967) 163-179. See pp 171-172 for excerpt:
" '' A system of Universal primary education was introduced in Eastern Nigeria in 1953, though the mission schools had already prospered in the Region long before then. Despite the fact that there was a requirement for limited contributory fees, education continued to be very much in demand. Even at the time when universal primary education was first introduced, the percentage of the population over seven years of age who were literate was higher in the East than in any other Region: East, 10.6 per cent; West 9.5 percent; North, 0.9 percent. Since 1959, the East has had more teachers and pupils than any other area of the country, with the heaviest emphasis on primary education. Figures for elementary and secondary education indicate that the approximate ratio of teachers to population in 1963 was 1 to every 1,500 in the East, 1 to every 2,500 in th West, and 1 for every 10,000 in the north. Other statistical data reveal how rapidly the standard of living rose among Ibos. The East had the most extensive hospital facilities in the country by 1965, the largest regional production of electricity in the country by 1954, and the greatest number of vehicle registrations by 1963. The economic orientation of the Ibos was also reflected through membership of credit associations:in 1963 the East had 68,220 individual members, the west 5,776, and the north a mere 2,407." ''... His source was the Annual Abstract of Statistics ( Federal Office of Statistics, Lagos, 1965)

That's the truth staring right at you. Receive it, let it purify you and sanctify you, repent of your Igbophobia and falsehood propagation against the East.

Thank you.