₦airaland Forum

MrPresident1:
The west made a mistake supporting buhari, but Igbos have been supporting the north since 1960. Azikwe chose to become governor genersl rather than prime minister in 1960. Ekwueme was deputy to Shagari in 1979, Sylvester Ugo was vice running mate to Bashir Tofa in 1993, all through this, Yoruba were in opposition. The only time in the history of Nigeria when the Yoruba have aligned with Fulani ( due to the ignorance of the youth, and against the advice of the elders), Igbos turn around to call us betrayers. Pray tell, what have you guys been since 1960?

Lousy misfiring blunderbuss

Normal Yoruba lies.

Awolowo's treachery left Zik with no choice but to align with the North in 1959.

Awolowo also would accept to become Gowon and North's puppet in 1967 and ganged up with the North to commit near extinction of the Igbo race. I bet that's part of your opposition politics, huh!

In 1979 election Zik was the Igbo candidate and not Ekwueme.
The North had used and dumped Awolowo by 1979, they were not going to let him become the president of the one Nigeria he sacrificed millions of Igbo kids to sustain, so Awo shamelessly chose an Igbo VP, hoping to curry the favour those he nearly sent into extinction, but the North were one step ahead of Awo, as they too chose an Igbo VP in Ekwueme,the Igbo votes were shared too thin between Zik, Ekwueme and Awo Vice, allowing Shagari to win.

Deal with it, your Northern masters outwitted your self acclaimed sage in 1979. It's not the Igbo fault that Awo was rejected by Nigerians for the umpteenth time.

Abiola had a Northern vice in 1993 and was a darling of the North. As usual they used and dumped him and your Yoruba leaders collected money and sold him out when push came to shove.
Don't blame Ndiigbo for your misadventures.

Yorubas have been in the habit of aligning with the North. Who was Obasanjo Vice all those 8 years of his rule? Who were those who disgraced Ekwueme to pave way for OBJ during that 1999 PDP primaries on the guise that Ekwueme was a Biafran? Was it not the North?

Just park one side with your history revisionism. This Igbo is not the Igbo of 1960's that understood not the importance of debunking your lies, but instead allowed Awolowo and Akintola to run wild with their Igbophobic speeches and articles without appropriately putting them to sword with proper rebuttals.

Your lies in this 21st century will be properly checkmated and eviscerated with proper rebuttals.

Drchristian:
u r d greatest tribalist have ever come across on Nigeria social media...I'm urging d Nigerian cyber police to apprehend this daft kid...and give him his duly deserve punishment as a scapegoat 4 others to see.

aren't d Yorubas that started with leading in Neco bf d Ipod states.

Arrest me for doing what exactly?

For debunking your lies against Ndiigbo?

You are not serious. If you want that kind of media clamp down on freedom of expression of opinions, you better travel to North Korea where your kind lives.

By the way, there was never a time Yorubas led Igbos in NECO.

And even in this 2016 NECO, Ekiti led, but Abia still came third, and I'm sure that by the time we finish collating the results from the rest of the States, the SE will lead the SW region collectively.

chukzyblingz:
We're on same page on two things. First you subtly admitted There is an Igbo denials in Onitsha and despite the denials, Onitsha people feel more at home with other Igbos than Anioma people for some obvious reasons. This is why it's outrageous to even think of categorizing those towns completely alienated from Anioma land and happenings in Anioma areas as Anioma town.

Onitsha is not alienated to Oshimili/Aniocha, it's just a walking distance. So it's mischievous to say that Onitsha is alienated to Anioma.
The proper thing to say would be that Onitsha is alienated to Ika/Ukwuani.

Onitsha attitude to Igbo unity is exactly as obtained in Oshimili/ Aniocha.

Well, this Onitsha discussion escalated too fast.


If Anioma is just a political grouping, within the Igbo ethnic group, as envisaged by Osadebey, then Onitsha or any Igbo town East of the Niger is not Anioma.

But if we understand Anioma as a cultural group, United by migration story from Bini with Eze chime migration story being the biggest of them all, and by shared trado political leaning towards the Binis and also by ancestral links to Igbo towns west of the Niger, then we can comfortably include Eastern towns like Onitsha( the three Ezechima villages there) , Obosi( some villages in Obosi), Ndoni, Ogbaru, Oguta, Ora ifite into it.

But the second grouping is only possible, if Anioma remains an Igbo group.

Now, this is interesting. Will Yorubas now accept the authenticity of NECO, cos they have been denying it when they lagged behind the East.

Jokerman:
Why haven't you exposed Tinubu?
Why haven't you exposed Obasanjo??

Ikechukwu48:
Ngozi is right. I've read both you and his argument plus other stuff he said on this page...there's no doubt in my mind that dude is not anioma. He might live among us but he's not one of us. His comments indicated it. Like the first guy you guys were arguing with for sure is ika but that chukyz whatever guy I believe is that Bini dude

My reasons are based on several thing. 1.) The fact that you, that isn't even ika, can defeat him in an argument discussing about Ika and you used ika writers to do so speaks volume. The fact he couldn't defend any of what you posted is exactly as that igbodo and Bini dude argument back in the day.
2.) The fact he didn't even know anioma extend past delta state and someone else had to explain it to him. Even in his attempt to save face he also gave himself away....when he stated and I quote "maybe ndoni". Like which anioma does not know that ndoni is part of aniomaland? The fact he even said only Onitsha is anioma also speaks volume. Like which anioma does not know that aniomaland in Anambra extends past Onitsha? Abeg gi
3.) Where he stated that Noone know who Asagba is. Like once again which anioma does not know who Asagba is. Like I know ika are desperate to be seen as equal with us but one thing I can say about Ika peeps..they might be crazy, liars, attention seekers, etc but one thing they aren't is not delusional. They aren't delusional
There are several other things that makes him a suspect.

That guy is not anioma...I'll bet my left testicle on it.

Ok. I will trust your instincts and judgement on this one.

Ikechukwu48:
Ngozi is right. I've read both you and his argument plus other stuff he said on this page...there's no doubt in my mind that dude is not anioma. He might live among us but he's not one of us. His comments indicated it. Like the first guy you guys were arguing with for sure is ika but that chukyz whatever guy I believe is that Bini dude

My reasons are based on several thing. 1.) The fact that you, that isn't even ika, can defeat him in an argument discussing about Ika and you used ika writers to do so speaks volume. The fact he couldn't defend any of what you posted is exactly as that igbodo and Bini dude argument back in the day.
2.) The fact he didn't even know anioma extend past delta state and someone else had to explain it to him. Even in his attempt to save face he also gave himself away....when he stated and I quote "maybe ndoni". Like which anioma does not know that ndoni is part of aniomaland? The fact he even said only Onitsha is anioma also speaks volume. Like which anioma does not know that aniomaland in Anambra extends past Onitsha? Abeg gi
3.) Where he stated that Noone know who Asagba is. Like once again which anioma does not know who Asagba is. Like I know ika are desperate to be seen as equal with us but one thing I can say about Ika peeps..they might be crazy, liars, attention seekers, etc but one thing they aren't is not delusional. They aren't delusional
There are several other things that makes him a suspect.

That guy is not anioma...I'll bet my left testicle on it.

Ok. I wI'll trust your instincts and judgement on this one.

chukzyblingz:
I'm an Anioma born and brought up. The only recognized Anioma town outside of Delta and Edo States is Onitsha. What do you know about Anioma history and culture? What makes Ogbaru and Ogidi and those other Eastern towns Anioma? Forget what you read in textbooks and face reality. What links do these places have with Anioma that will make Anioma become Igbo because someone in this heart of Igboland is Igbo. You can deceive yourself all you want but as far as Anioma people are concerned, you are not an Anioma person. Nobody includes you in any happening in Aniomaland.

They don't have links with Ika, but do have links with Oshimili/Aniocha which are still Igbo till today.

And the last time I checked, Onitsha as of today is still Igbo, they don't share in your "ah no be ibo" madness, so I don't know why you are "famzing" Onitsha. Better face your Bini overlords.

http://dailypost.ng/2015/05/21/bring-your-investments-home-obi-of-onitsha-charges-ndigbo/

Now, can we rest?

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mnairaland:
People who emphasized tribe are trubalist. Both Ojukwu and Awo emphasied tribe and were passionate about their tribe.

Ojukwu protected the interests of Eastern region. Not just those of Ndiigbo.

He was not against United Nigeria, he was seeking for a Nigeria where Justice and equity reigned. Those who were bent on imposing injustice rejected that version of Nigeria he proposed, and instead went about screaming "one Nigeria", a version of Nigeria that protected the interest of their own groups.

Yet they were supposed to be the nationalists, while Ojukwu must be a rebel for rejecting their own version of Nigeria?

And you said you are not "tribalistic" ?

QuotaSystem:
Cry me a river. You try to mask your pain under cosmetic defiance but you fail every time
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A million online posts will not change the reality of your sad existence as a 3rd class citizen of your country.

Swerve kid, you're only more irrelevant than your opinion.

Living in abject poverty, being educationally backward , starving with IDP camps every where Are real definitions of being a third class citizen, they are not the characteristics of POWERFUL people.

But these are what average Northerners have to deal with everyday.

Its a shame really.
My only real pain is being forced to co exist in the same colonial space with you lots by colonial powers.
That's the only pain.

mnairaland:
No you are wrong. I am not tribalistic. Zik was nationalist while both ojukwu and Awo are tribalist. And I disagree with you.Tribalism is bad.

How exactly was Ojukwu a tribalist?

mnairaland:
Just saw this now. If you must know, I am not and will never be tribalistic.

Everyone is "tribalistic", nothing wrong with that. We are all looking out for the best interest of our various groups.

I'm pan African, and believes that Africa will be stronger once real nations emerge from it, and not colonial abominations that liter the continent presently.

I don't hate any African group, but I become aggressive when African groups seek to impose demonic union on me.
Even those promoting Nigerian unity are only doing so because they are convinced their group's interests are better protected and served under the Nigerian entity. Not because they love Nigeria or other groups in Nigeria.

QuotaSystem:
I really have no time for your childish banner

You can keep playing Ostrich while you're being dominated left, right, and center.

It's the same Military you seek to undermine that has kept you in check.

I believe I'm done schooling you on your phantom POWER.
Holla me when you dominate your poverty, your educational backwardness, etc. That's what real power does. We see it in World powers and even African powers like South Africa. They lead in Academics, infrastructure, manufacturing base, living standard indices.

Go back to school.

Ngozi123:
Like Ikechukwu48 said, I don't believe that he is from Anioma. Notice how he switched from accusing me of not being from Anioma to saying that the "Igbos don't know their history". If he is indeed from one of the Anioma groups under dispute, which I highly doubt, then it is him who does not know his history. How can he expect us to take his arguments seriously when he can't even identify the full extent of Anioma land?

I don't usually like to get involved in threads such as I don't really care that much for other people's lies and propaganda. However, I've come to notice that a lot of people are starting to believe the nonsense they write. That's why the likes of @coolitempa, a Yoruba poster (I assume) thought it okay to come on a thread populated with mostly Igbos and say that my people are not Igbo but rather Bini. That is the last straw and I will not stand for it anymore. The next time I see someone try to question my people's Igboness again, they will have hell to pay .

There is possibility of him being Bini, but also know that I had seen Ikas that behave exactly like him, so there is still the possibility of him being Ika.

I understand though how you feel. You should try to not take these online things to the heart that much. Just debunk the lies and go your way, don't let it get to your heart.

mnairaland:
My Ibo brothers, this man has answered your questions.

There is no brotherhood between Ndiigbo and Yorubas.
Other than that we are both Negroids and share the African continent with hundreds of other negroid ethnic groups.

Biafra will even have the option of joining central Africa region, instead of West Africa.

mnairaland:
OK.just give me some time.I will dig it out and mention you.

I'll be waiting.

noblezone:
Bros relax.

I am on your side.
Whenever you read me, try and read between the lines.
Most of the time I am sarcastic in my approach.

In those points, I am talking to the dude who was advising the South to build her own strength rather than disusing the North.
I listed what the North got up her sleeve that gave her the so called strength.
I gave the guy a reply suitable for him.
I wanted him to see clearly the deception of their so called strength.

I am sure you know my position about Nigeria, it has never changed and it wont.

Ok. I understand now.

Just take off any idea of Ndiigbo working with Yorubas off your mind,

Yorubas are tied to the North by Islam. Atleast 50% of them are Muslims, and there are also Yorubas that are Northerners themselves, whose allegiance is first and foremost to the seat of caliphate in Sokoto.

For Yorubas to support Nigeria disintegration will mean Yorubas giving up on those other Yorubas in the North, it will mean balkanization of Yorubaland. As the North won't give up those Northern Yorubalands, and worst still, most of those Northern Yorubas don't want to be separated from the North. They feel at home there.


Put yourself in Yoruba shoes and understand why when faced with option of Nigeria disintegration and Nigerian unity, the Yorubas will chose Nigerian unity 100/100.

You don't blame them for it, if in their shoes, I would do same, but you have to factor it in your equation if you intend breaking away from Nigeria, you will be strategically naive to be seeking for Yoruba support to do so, it will mean that you are asking them to divide their own lands.

QuotaSystem:
Lol I repeat you're talking nonsense.

You can say that when your kin stop trooping up North daily in their thousands to find their daily bread.

I'm not one to brag about the North's military and political prowess that has seen you and your ancestors struggle since the 60's...

Or to remind you of the fact that just as we have the poorest, we also boast of the wealthiest. I don't expect a backward red mud dweller to agree with me though.

Lol! We have many of your leprosy inflicted Northerners down East. Every day, truck loads of "gwomngworo" keep bringing more of your poverty stricken mud house dwelling brothers down here. They are all over Kenyatta, Ogbette, Garriki, Artizan markets pushing barrow and the rest are beggars flocking our motor parks.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

The wealthiest? You mean Dangote the monopolist made by the Nigerian government and your endless lines of Nigerian treasury looters like IBB, Abacha, Abdulsalam, etc and the remaining ones rolling on ill gotten Oil wells money like Danjuma.

What good has it it done the North if with all those men, you are all still living in mud houses and starving, with endless line of Almajiri begging for food?

There is no northern Military prowess. None whatsoever.It only exists in your deluded gworo mind.

mnairaland:
I am aware that manyIgbos on nairaland did then.

Any proof of this accusation? I dare you to post the link ASAP.

QuotaSystem:
You're talking bunkum.

Why then are you and the OP crying? Focus on your struggle for freedom and leave Arewa alone.

S1lly 5percenters feeling funky

Lol! Guess I deflated your little ego. ndo.

I wasn't the one who opened the thread. I'm
not that naive to think that a poverty stricken, educationally backward North is powerful, I know better.

noblezone:
What we need to do is very clear.

1. Become brutal and swift with violence. Kill northerners for no reason
2. Promote Southern Unity Nigeria more than Nigeria.
3. Pay serious emphasis on Nigerian politics, constitution and positions
4. The Igbo/Yoruba to embrace
5. Consider ethnicity and religion first in every election.

You have such a great mind, I can see it.

Never knew you were this naive.

How can you speak of Yoruba- Igbo Union?

There can never be such a union, nature made sure of it.

Our interests are in direct conflict with those of Yorubas.
I don't know how hard this is for Ndiigbo to understand.
This is same mistake that Ojukwu made.

Can't you see that your number 5 is in direct conflict with your number 4?

Yorubas are Muslims and are bound to the North by Islam.
Yorubas Still have a significant population of them in Northern Nigeria, under Gambari emirate system and are submissive to the Caliphate in Sokoto.

And no, we will never do number 1. That's not Who we are. Doing that will erode the very fabric of Offor na ogu upon which the Igbo society is built, it will destroy us and will rob us of our identity, leaving us disillusioned and confused. It's just not an option, and I can't believe you even thought of it.

I hope for the future of unborn Igbos that IPOB and the rest are not reasoning along these your points.

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QuotaSystem:
You can keep puking conspiracy theories and drown in em if you so wish, but until you understand that power resides in the hands of who controls the food supply, military and political system you will continue to run around in circles.

What is power?
You think it's a co incidence that the most powerful nations on Earth are also high ranked in academic/ scientific achievements, economic prosperity and a manufacturing based economy?

The North is the most backward region in Nigeria educationally, it's the worst economically and the worst in terms of local manufacturing base.

You speak of Agriculture, well breaking news! Nigeria imports her staple foods, and every other region produce theirs to support the imported ones. The North can't feed herself , as we speak we have IDP camps in North where people are starving and you are here talking trash,

Politics, well like I said earlier, they inherited the title of the Keepers of the colonial entity that is Nigeria.
They are just the chief servants of the Caucasian powers, and anytime they just take orders from above and are given minimal opportunity of carrying out local decisions, any time they attempted to question their orders from above, the consequences have always been acute and fatal, Mutala and Abacha as examples.
They are chief servants, that can hardly translate to real political power in internationally arena, and this is why Nigeria will continue to underachieve.

Military power? Lol, do the North manufacture any weapon? They only get "hand me down" weapons from the Caucasian powers sold to them at exorbitant prices, enough just to keep the colonial entity and slave camp intact as long as they keep taking the orders passed to them, they will continue getting them, if they attempt to stop taking orders, it ( weapon supplies) will be stopped and it's unity will be threatened by centrifugal forces within, causing the North to panic and go back to taking orders again.
Look at how the order to hand over Bakassi to Cameroon by Hague was carried out without objections. *grins*

It doesn't take much to see that the North so called power is artificial and not real, it's a reflection.

chukzyblingz:
Igboid, I told you you're irredeemable so I decided to give up on exchange words with you on a faceless forum. You've succeeded in posting junks and junks upon junks. I read your lifted articles and I laugh. For your information, Ika is very wide with different dialects. It's a well-known fact that Ekpon rearrange Ika words in there sentences but your examples doesn't make any sense. Ekpon uses the "ya" "me" so often in their dialect but that's not exclusive to them. The Owa people and Abavo people are fond of doing that as well. Igbos don't know their history. Igbo history doesn't make any sense at all yet they come and tell you how insensible your own history is.

You don't understand ika language, culture and traditions so it's normal for you to believe whatever you read online that soothes your opinion. But I as an ika speaker, I can point out all the flaws in your copy and paste but I'm not going to do that because it's pointless. My responding to your mentions is also pointless.

Lol! If this is a face saving way of admitting your ignorance, I'd have mercy on you and stop pounding you with facts.

Now scram and never come back here.

Powerful?

Well, the North inherited the title of "keepers of the British colonial estate" that is Nigeria.


They are the representatives of the colonial power in Nigeria.
They are like the Chief servants in the colonial entity, they work in tandem with other willing servants from all parts of Nigeria.

In the final analysis of things, they are no better than the rest of the colonial entity dwellers, if anything they are worst off, for how can we measure power without economic and technological advancements?

"He stated that the West without Lagos was the most populous in Nigeria at that time but they ignored that. The north was seriously encouraged to go into the military. According to him, they believe that the south may attend western education, but future leaders will always come from military background. Their traditional rulers were to be made influential and super human".

If Harold did say this. Then he needs a quick mental evaluation.

There was never a time Western region without Lagos was more populated than Eastern region.

Remii:
Nigeria history has it that Ironsi introduced and ran unitary government. Let us not get into sentiment but history. Aguiyi Ironsi promulgated the infamous "Decree No. 34"—which abrogated the country's federal structure in exchange for a unitary one.

Military dictators run central government. Ironsi United the civil service amongst other things.

But left the regions intact.

If Gowon out of greed didn't dissolve the regions to enable him create more dysfunctional entities up North called States. The country would have easily gone back to its regional default settings after Mutala was ousted in 1976.

The initial poster rightly put the blame of killing the regions on Gowon, you Remi as a real Yoruba man, had to come in to exonerate your Northern master, free of charge without compulsion, I guess it's a reflex reaction to you lots. The reward of putting the blame on an Igbo man, Ironsi that was murdered within 6 months was irresistible to you.

I'm here to ensure you don't get that reward.

Remii:
anyway, south truncated the regional government and started the unitary (present federal) structure we have now. Coup plotters of 1966 sacked the Regional leaders, Aguiyi ironsi took over and established Unitary govt before the counter coup that brought Gowon, the rest is history.

Ironsi never dissolved the regions. It was Gowon who did. And in it's place created dysfunctional non viable entities called states, with so aim of increasing North share of the Eastern region crude oil.

I don't care how many times you Yorubas will be here to propagate the lies of Ironsi killing regionalism just to defend your Northern masters, but I will always be here to debunk your lies and to put you to your place, I'd do it to infinity.

Ikechukwu48:
Leave him. I'm actually suspicious of him. The fact that Ngozi123 had to let him know there are anioma outside of delta state is extremely suspicious. Which anioma does not know that? The fact he tried to sell that denial is high in aniocha makes him suspicious. I'm truly starting to believe he's that Bini dude that the igbodo guy on NL back in the day kept arguing with regarding ika history. I'm very suspicious about it.

Sony4all or something like that. I remember him.

chukzyblingz

Have you seen how human beings with brains behave? Have you learnt Anything from Ehinze, an Ika man with brain today?

You have a brain like Ehinze. The only difference is that while Ehinze had decided to put his to use, you my friend had decided to stuff yours with purulent stuffs, arguing like market women, bereft of any intellectual input whatsoever.

Better turn a corner now.