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Shym3xx:
Lol. Still didn't show Yorubas in the North and what you cited doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I'd even wager that the population of Yorubas in the Ilorin axis alone should be almost the same as either Egba or Ijebu, due to the number of troops they had during Kiriji wars. And I didn't add Kabba to it.

Agbor isn't Igbo and it has never been Igbo. Agbor kingdom existed long before Igbos started leaving the forest. And Igbos never had kingdoms, apart from Nri which was founded by an Igala prince, Onoja Oboli. So, how would folks without kingdoms go create a kingdom somewhere else? Or was Opobo also an Igbo kingdom? Even Onitsha is questionable cos the crown came from Bini but I will give you Onitsha.

Irrelevant drivel, trying to plead to the crack developed in the Igbo union Post 1970.

Stay on topic.

The population of Yorubas in the North was accounted for, and that's the fact.

omonnakoda:
Stop telling stupid lies that have already been debunked. There was no census in 1933. I challenge you to prove otherwise. THe British did an estimate and it is clear their premises were not well informed. Again you tell stupid lies when you say groups were captured. I already addressed this before. No Itsekiri ,No Urhobo,No Ogoni and the list is endless.
There was no credible census in Nigeria before 1950s and even those were hotly disputed but that is the first time there were real censuses in Nigeria. The others were all based on guesses and projections taken at different times(several years apart) in very limited parts of the country

Please tell us what are these figures based on
Is it a census. Simple YES OR NO

Then tell us what year the Census was conducted before being reported in 1933.

Please answer these two simple questions and stop all the dodging and ducking

The British kept an impeccable record of the demographics of their colonies. It was very vital for their exploitation agenda.

The colonial document of 1933 I produced, seem to believe there was a census in April 1931.

On the minorities of both south and North not mentioned in the stat. Well the British felt their figures were inconsequential. It gave their total combined population as 4.68 million .

See the screenshot below.

Shym3xx:
I'm using my phone cos I'm doing something else on my PC and I can't really access the link you posted. Can you post screenshots like you did in ya previous posts?

Well, I didn't see all these minority groups on the screenshots you posted, albeit I saw Agbor being added to the Igbo population. Ditto what should be Calabar province. So were they to Imo and Ogoja?

Agbor has never been Igbo. It has always had a separate kingdom, just as Bonny, Opobo etc. Ditto a lot of small groups in Delta. Granted there were a lot of Igbo slaves who lived among these folks, and overtime influenced their languages and cultures - that doesn't make them Igbo. Opobo and Bonny are classic examples. And I believe the only reason why they probably added Bonny to Ijaw is cos it's far in Ijaw territory and an Island on its own. But I'm sure most Bonny folks have big Igbo influence on their way of life, just as Opobo and Agbor.

No. Northern Yorubas weren't accounted for on the screenshots you posted. Oyo means: Oyo, Ibadan, and present day Osun. Ekiti/Ondo means: present day Ekiti and Osun. Egba is Egba: Ogun and parts of today's Lagos. Ijebu is Ijebu: Ogun and parts of today's Lagos. Lagos means: Eko and mainland. So, those from Ilorin and other parts of today's Keats and Kabba weren't account for.

Your argument would be legit if you can provide links where these folks were accounted for -without distinct groups like: Agbor, Opobo et al, being part of the Igbo population.

"Northern Yorubas were added, ie those in present Kwara and Kogi.
The total figures for SW were as follows:

Lagos- 325,020
Ijebu- 374,872
Ondo- 462,650
Oyo- 1,336,928
Abeokuta- 434,526
Total-. 2,933,966.

Yet the total figure given for Yorubas in 1931 was 3,166,154.

Its only common sense to know that the 232,158 deficit there was accounted for by Yorubas in the Northern province.

Same thing happens when you sum up the figures for Owerri and Onitsha provinces, they come short of the Igbo 3,172,789 figure. Commo sense says that the Western Igbos in Warri and Benin provinces,accounted for the deficit observed."

Don't know why you keep talking about Agbor, hoping to whip up Igbophobic elements from that part of Igboland.

For your Information, Agbor is but a town. The part of Western Igboland Agbor is located is called Ika. Ika was never distinct from the rest of Igbo speaking tribes, in colonial and pre 1970 Nigeria. She is only as distinct as Ngwa, Ndoki, Asa were during the era in discuss.

Shym3xx:
Admittedly, based on all the books I have read about precolonial Nigeria - those classified as "Igbo/Eboe" have always had the highest population in Southern Nigeria albeit the 1920 census is flawed. The one conducted in the 1930s is the legit one.

That said, the keyword is "Southern Nigeria" cos there were Yorubas grouped with the North (Kabba and Ilorin), while conversely a lot of Southern minorities in today's Delta and Rivers were grouped with Igbos and these groups are distinct. Perhaps it's cos there were more Igbo slaves amongst them than actual indigenous people. Classic examples were: Agbor, Opobo, and other places in Rivers. Then in most of the colonial census showing population distribution - the Calabar province (which includes Ibibio, Efik, and other minorities in that axis) is always missing. Were they added to the Igbo population?

Furthermore, when you also factor in the fact that about 20-30% of Igbos died during the Biafran war - you can't really make an argument based on 1931. Regardless, what is fascinating about the 1931 census is how that many people could survive in the forest and that small landmass the way Igbos did with all the savagery that comes with living like that. That's a mystery.

No none Igbo speaking group was counted as Igbo by the British. They know all ethnic groups in the Southern region, even small ones as Andoni, and Ogoni were all noted. And Opobo wasn't counted as Igbo.

Agbor was part of Western Igboland, and even up to this day speaks a dialect of Igbo language. The Igbo denials in those part of Igboland as well as southern Igboland are politically motivated after the civil war, and would die a natural death with time.
No none Igbo speaking groups in the Delta was counted as Igbos.

No one in Calabar province was counted as Igbo. If you want colonial documents detailing the ethnic groups in modern Cross river, just ask and I would give you the link.

The Yorubas in the Northern province were well noted and accounted for in the 1933 colonial report.
Check it out here:https://www.google.com/search?&q=Colonial+annual+report+of+Nigeria+1933

Ngozi123:
@Igboid, is it true that during one of the censuses, some Northern leaders did not allow the Igbos living there to go back to their place of birth in order to not be counted amongst their brethren?

I'm unaware of such events. I'm sure if it really did happen, the British would have recorded it somewhere.
Unless this happened in the Post colonial Nigeria.

DAramis:
Please upload the document where this information is gotten from.

I need to read it myself.

Thanks.

Don't know how to upload link to a PDF file here.

But through this link, you can access the PDF files of the colonial reports of the 1930' s of Nigeria, including that of 1933, where I got the screenshots on the this thread from.
https://www.google.com/search?&q=Colonial+annual+report+of+Nigeria+1933

omonnakoda:
A meaningless report .There was no census in 1931. A so called estimate that does not list Edo ,Itsekiri,Urhobo,Ogoni,Efik,Igala,Ebira,Idoma,Igala,Jukun and so on? Maybe they arrived in Nigeria after 1931.
WHAT ABOUT NORTHERN CAMEROON that was part of Nigeria until after 1960 . WHAT ETHNIC GROUPS WERE THERE and what was the population. People need to learn their history better

Let us not waste time arguing over an irrelevance.

It is just guesswork that was done very lazily and lists inaccurately the ethnic groups in the country

Those groups you mentioned were too insignificant for the British annual report to capture.
They simply focused on the bigger groups that constituted the bulk of the population of the province.

If you go through the report, they mentioned about Cameroon part of Nigeria.

There was Bamenda too. But the British perhaps didn't consider those Cameroonian parts as full fledged part of the country.
Moreover, the population of those groups you are bringing up is irrelevant to this thread. Nigeria has over 200 ethnic groups, you don't expect the report to drop off information on all of them.

omonnakoda:
We can see that this are all guess work . What is the population of Owerri TODAY. The fact that something is written in a book by white folk does not mean we do not ask the basis. Simple question. What is the source and basis of those numbers and also the territories described. e,g What did Owerri Mean? Was there no Port Harcourt or Aba.

That was for Owerri province, which included current Imo/Abia and Northern Igbo speaking Rivers state, not the Owerri city.

omonnakoda:
Igbos that have no history and were found nakedd by Europeans?bigger than Yorubas? There are More Yorubas in Benin Republic alone than there are Igbos.

You think Port Harcourt was within Owerri? Yes that would make a lot of sense in an Igbo head and no where else

Yorubas were said to be barbaric by their Hausa-Fulani masters during colonization. There is simply no evidence of a Yoruba civilization greater than that of Ndiigbo.

LaClickLaBend:
you know how many ibos died during the civil war?....of cos their numbers have greatly reduced now

It was mainly children that died, due to starvation.
They would have immediately been replaced by the parents immediately after the civil war.
Biafrans Army lost 1/3 of the men lost by Nigerian Army.

You submission couldn't have shifted the balance towards Yorubas.

MayorofLagos:
Great!

Im sure you read where the reporter said Yoruba is majority in Southern but also have provinces in Northern. There are two Yoruba provinces in North, Kabba and Ilorin. Add their population to the Colony (Lagos) and total with the number already given for Yorubas counted in Southern.

Where does Ibo stand in comparison to Yoruba?

It said that bulk of the Yoruba people were in the Southern provinces. It never said Yorubas were the majority in the Southern provinces.

See it here, the last sentence there:

Observe the description of Northern Yorubas in Northern province building pattern.

Northern Yorubas were added, ie those in present Kwara and Kogi.
The total figures for SW were as follows:

Lagos- 325,020
Ijebu- 374,872
Ondo- 462,650
Oyo- 1,336,928
Abeokuta- 434,526
Total-. 2,933,966.

Yet the total figure given for Yorubas in 1931 was 3,166,154.

Its only common sense to know that the 232,158 deficit there was accounted for by Yorubas in the Northern province.

Same thing happens when you sum up the figures for Owerri and Onitsha provinces, they come short of the Igbo 3,172,789 figure. Common sense says that the Western Igbos in Warri and Benin provinces,accounted for the deficit observed.

MayorofLagos:
So are you saying in 1933 when this count was taken Yoruba is not exclusively OYO but spreads to other areas?

Are you serious?

Yes.

sarrki:
Known for chest beating

However the first document you are comparing with

How sure are you that the information is genuine?

Like I said we aren't competing with anyone

They are genuine.

This is about setting the records right. Nothing to chest beat about that.

The current ethnic composition of Nigeria is Unknown. So the lies of Yoruba being 21% of Nigerian population,while Ndiigbo are demoted to 18% and Ijaws elevated to 10% must stop from henceforth. As they lack any historical basis.

MrDude:
Una no serious.



Hausa/fulani - terrorism

Yoruba - Internet fraud

Igbo - drug Lords

Terrorism + Internet fraud + drug pushing = battered, shattered, irreparable tainted international image to detriment of this hell hole called Nigeria.

Yall so called big three tribes are largely the sole reason why this country is what it is today. We in the minority tribes deserve a downright apology as una (hausa, Igbo and yoruba) don spoil all our name finish come make us dey carry cross wey no be ours dammit, fuuuk yall!

You are ignorant.

Zik and Ironsi combined period as the president of Nigeria and Head of state respectively, is less than than the amount time GEJ a SS minority from Ogbia tribe in Bayelsa spent as the president of Nigeria. Never mind that Zik never had absolute power as a president.

Ibori is currently in prison for looting Delta state dry.

Next time when you go on your rantings, keep Ndiigbo out of it.

sarrki:
It's not the volume that matters

The quality of the content is fat better

We aren't competing with anyone

Why did you single out a particular tribe ?

When I fire now some self claim righteous will call me all

Sorts of names

You are free to do your worst.

I felt wrong information were being passed about my ethnic group, while yours benefited from such wrong information to the detriment of mine.

There is no way I can correct the wrong information, without singling out groups that benefited from such wrong information.

How exactly did the Ijaws rise from 10th in 1931 to claiming 4th today, ahead of Kanuri, Ibibio, Edo,Nupe,and Tiv.

Are they saying that men from the above mentioned groups stopped reproducing, while the Ijaws reproduction rate quadrupled?

MayorofLagos:
Igboid,
You ibos told us that Yoruba was limited to Oyo only and that Lagos is Awori, Ogun is Ijebu and Egba, Ondo and Ekiti are Ijesha and Ekiti people, Kwara is fulani.

So the population you are looking at coincides with the era Ibos concluded as distinct people of Western region identifying by their dialect and is excluded from Yoruba,which according to you is OYO only.

So, the population count you are looking at and giving comparison is just Oyo against entire Iboland.

How do you feel?

No. All Yorubas were counted.

See the breakdown for the population figures for the provinces.

For example, in CIA world fact book. You find ridiculous claims like this:

Hausa and Fulani
 
29%
Yoruba
 
21%
Igbo
 
18%
Ijaw
 
10%
Kanuri
 
4%
Ibibio
 
3.5%
Tiv
 
2.5%

Who exactly came up with those ridiculous numbers?

In what planet are Yorubas more populous than Ndiigbo?

This information from CIA world fact book seem to have originated from Nigerian sources and was politicized before submission to them.
It simply has no source or ground. Just from thin air and must be debunked until Nigeria adds space for ethnicity in the next census.

This is interesting.

The 1931 colonial population figures ranked the major Nigerian groups as follows:

1 Hausa

2. Igbo

3. Yoruba

4. Fulani

5. Kanuri

6. Ibibio

7.Tiv

8. Edo

9. Nupe

10. Ijaw.


The 1921 estimate also placed Ndiigbo ahead of Yorubas.

Nigeria has not conducted a population census with space for ethnic group composition of the country since 1960.
Yet since the end of the war, there have been this subtle propaganda, that seems to place Yoruba population ahead of those of Ndiigbo, even though there no recent data to prove that, and the colonial documents of 1921 and 1931 that I just posted seem to be saying otherwise.
This to me is a misinformation that must be corrected.

There has never been a time Yorubas were more populous than Ndiigbo.


On a side note. The Ijaws claim to being 4th largest can also be seen to be bogus, going by this 1931 population projection, Ijaws are at most 7th.

NB: The colonial were well aware of Yoruba communities indigenous to the North. Read the last part of the attachment below.

BlackMbakara1:
Has he united his party? So being married to an Igbo lady is a yardstick...

Is he even married to the Igbo lady? I don't think so, more like his girlfriend. Even Gowon had an Igbo girlfriend during the war.

ogwumgbe:
Daughter of Zion don't incure the wrath of your people o, thread with caution. I know you doing your job mana onye ya na ndi mmuo na-eri nri na-ejikwa ogologo ngaji

That woman may be from Anioma, but she is not Igbo. She is more Igbophobic than any Yoruba or Northerner out there. She constantly bashes and Denigrates SE in Anioma forums like Anioma voice international facebook page, Gloria Adagbon is her partner in crime.

Her day of reckoning is coming.

Oahray:
Hunt down your enemies and call it fighting corruption... Turn a blind eye to your corrupt friends... Intimidate the judiciary so that justice can be what you say it is... Strangle the media if they refuse to play ball...

Sell National Assets to your brothers, or buy it behind the scene.

Distract the masses with anti-corruption chants...

If everything fails, just blame GEJ.

#PerfectScript

Very well rehearsed and played out.

Biibe:
Who hav idea if mouau has finish uploading names on nysc portal

Yes, they have finished uploading, I mean Mouau.

Yorubas dont need any alliance.they belonged to no alliance in the days of awo but were able to do better than the two other regions despite being the smallest.they ran the west like a small country and were 1st in many things.according to the nigerian year book

Another day, another Yoruba chest beating backed only by falsehoods and propaganda.

FFK is a regular Yoruba man. Full of treachery. Not long ago, he was writing Igbophobic articles full of venom all over the social media, now he is patronizing Ndiigbo.
He doesn't mean the things he say and he does things he doesn't mean, he is as fluid as a snake, Neither here nor there, can switch sides at a blink of an eye, a quintessential Yoruba man. Reminds me of an Ijaw Barca fan in Nairaland political section. Those kind of people are politically worthless, since you can't count on their trust or support.

Ndiigbo must stay away from such characters.

Nothing wrong with the name SS. It doesn't matter, what matter is that the Southern minorities were given a voice, just as the Northern minorities were given one in North central. It was Ekwueme's brain child and it's good.

martha89:
. Igbo thief always trying to claim what doesn't belong to them. Liar Esanland has no border with igala,they migrate there and they can go back to kogi. Please go fight your Biafra and leave ua alone

They migrated long ago to that part of Edo state. Before the coming of the colonials. That makes them bonafide owners of their land.
We all migrated from somewhere.

Inyelen is another of such Igala towns with Igbo mix in Edo.

It will be interesting to see Soludo reply to this Afonja.

I have no doubt that this is not unrelated to Soludo's recent comments against Buhari government.

shuggah:
i can see only one igbo name mr national secretary...edwin george ba nyamiri.

No Igbo name there. Uduefe sounds Urhoboic, like Uduaghan. It's not an Igbo name.

blessedvisky:
The first time igbos(2) and hausas(7) will collaborate, it was to kidnap someone. .
Post verified by NCAN National Secretary

Your head is touching. Where did you see Igbos there?