₦airaland Forum

Afriifa:
lol. I'm always gallant and battle ready. See the chest beaters clamouring from Biafra. Upon their fictitious military strenght, it took Nigerian Army just one week to drop their number one commander Ikonso. Same people wanna enagage the Niger Delta -home of Warlords.
Lol.

Warlords for battling with crude oil pipeline?
Have you ever fought a modern war?

Buhari should ban British embassy and consulates from operating in Nigeria.

We can't take it!

limeta:
Nigeria has always been a peacful country till the existent of biafra



zoogeria you see what they feed you on

Like Operation Wetie, Wild wild west, Tiv riots, Igbo Massacres in 1945 and 1953 in Jos and Kano, that all happened before the war didn't happen in Nigeria.

wirinet:
OBJ willingly or should I say ran from power simply because he was not part of the coup that brought the government in power. The people that toppled Gowon were Murtala, Danjuma, Yaradua, Dimka, Bisalla. Murtala, Bisalla and Dimka had been eliminated. There was no way OBJ would have remained in office beyond 1978. Remember Gowon was removed because he kept postponing handing over. Dimka and Bisalla were implicated in the attempted coup that killed Murtala.
It was so unusual for military to willingly leave power that OBJ was celebrated for that feat. Till today he remained the only military Head of state to willingly relinquish power.

But the same OBJ reluctantly relinquish power when he had actual power during his civilian administration. If not of serious opposition from both home and abroad, OBJ would probably be doing a 7th term by now.


Most military leaders transmute to civilian leaders for reasons you already stated. Most Arab leaders take that route. The worse is that they impose their sons after they die.

There is little world leaders can do outside sanctions and probably support another coup or insurrection. They would not send their soldiers to remove a military dictator.



Exactly my point. The Aburi accord that imposes military leaders would still result in coups and power play among senior military officers. So Aburi would not have changed anything.

Lol!
Your conclusion has nothing to do with your argument.
Your argument is that military would never hand over to civilian, therefore Aburi would not change anything.
It's a defective argument and I am sure you even know it, it's just that you want to save face, because the same Military still handed over to military in Nigeria, it doesn't matter the circumstances, what matters is that one way or the other they usually hand over.

With or without Aburi, there would be military rulers at that time frame.
But with Aburi, the regional structure would have survived beyond the military rule.
So far you have not been able to tackle this Argument. Instead you are arguing that the military would never have handed over to civilian, even when they eventually did.

To return to regionalism, the civilians needed the regions intact. Oba Akenzua and co sat down and helped the military denature the regional structure because they were obsessed with caging the Igbo.
By creating the 12 dysfunctional states, Oba Akenzua and Gowon and all those involved destroyed any chance of return to regionalism post military rule.
They killed regionalism.

, shield your sword nwanne.
OP is Igbo I have known him for a long time.

Thanks for the posts on Natural gas.

Pressure must be put on MNK to accept the 5 SE proposal by FG and Nigeria.
Let them have their laugh now, they wouldn't be laughing later when we start laughing in developmental strides and rid our homeland of Fulanis Herdsmen.

FreeIgbos:
So you didn't learn anything about Nigeria's loss of Bakasi peninsula? You want to use Palestine that isn't recognized as a state, and contends with a militarily advanced nation like Israel to compare with Biafra and its neighbors? You're not being realistic at all, once the boundaries are drawn, forget it, it remains like that and any attempts to encroach will be seen as an act of war! Any nation will go to war over that. Again, referendum is not what is conducted every time, it is often once in a lifetime. If Igbos go with 5 states, then forget it, it remains like that.

You all should stop fantasizing so ridiculously.

That's the point.
An independent Biafra of just SE would be able to negotiate with Government of stronger nations to buy weapons for such wars.
We can woo allies and all.

We would be called aggressors, Maybe, but our people down there in SS would call Nigerians aggressors too, so the narratives would be balanced.

Point is that head or tail, we would need war to retrieve all Igbo lands in one country and we stand a better chance doing it as an independent SE country than we are currently.

wirinet:
This is just a manta you keep repeating to yourself everyday to make yourself feel good. Aburi would never have worked. The military big boys would have still fought each other to a stand still bringing the while county down with it. Gowon, Ojukwu, Murtala and Danjuma would never have agreed to take orders from any other officer.

Where have you ever seen military rulers relinquish power willingly to civilians? Once military gets to power they never leave except through coup, assassination, Revolution or civil war.

So how did NIGERIA finally return to civilian rule?
Didn't OBJ willingly return power to civilians? What happened to your made up rule of military not handing over power to civilians or you just make these things up as you go?
Even Abacha was planning to transition himself into a civilian ruler before his death.

It's the wish of every miliary ruler to Transit to civilian ruler at a point because they are always scared of the endless circle of military coups that could topple or even take their lives.

Either way, the world powers frown at military dictatorship and would at a point forced them to hand over to civilians.

What do you mean by saying that Aburi would not work because the military big boys would fight each other? Didn't they fight each other even in the dysfunctional 12 state structure? How many coups did NIGERIA have before 1999? How did Murtala Mohammed die?

wirinet:
Sorry to say your argument is now getting ridiculous. Aburi did not impose military leaders abi? it imposed civilian leaders?
Who appoints the military governors? Who will be the head of state of Nigeria under Aburi? or are you saying Nigeria would have had 4 different heads of states?

How can you have resource control under a unified civil service being controlled by a military head of state that rules by decrees.

The Aburi accord to me was simply power play and power sharing by competing military officers trying to consolidate their hold on power. And Akenzua saw through it.

Akenzua saw nothing. He was a shortsighted fellow.

Aburi would have preserved the regional structure until a time civilians returned.

Instead out of short-sightedness, Akenzua and co pushed for dissolution of the the regions and creation of dysfunctional states that were still under military rulers.
The creation of those states made it impossible for civilians to return to regionalism once civil rule returned.

The Politicians favoured having their own fiefdoms (states) where they can play god and loot than have bigger regions where there wouldn't be enough sits to go round.

gidgiddy:
Look, nobody is arguing that military rule suspended the 1963 constitution, there is no way military rule can operate on a constitution designed for democratic rule. The arguement is if Ironsi abolished the 4 Regions he met when he came in? He did not. All 4 Regions existed throughout Ironsi's rule and several months after he died. It was Gowon that used Decree 14 to abolish the 4 Regions, and replace them with 12 states.

Aburi came about a year after military rule was in place, it did not impose military leaders. However, Aburi gave the 4 Regions confederation status by allowing them to have their own Regional military. Do you know what sort power that is? To have your own military as a Region? I doubt if you even begin to understand that sort of autonomy.

Oba Akenzua and the other 3 Regions rejected Aburi, and what did they get?

The 4 Regions were abolished by Gowon, 12 states were created, resource control was abolished transferred to the centre and the revenue sharing formular agreed at independence was scrapped

In other words, the centre became too strong, the Regions were cut up into 12 weak unitary states. How could Oba Akenzua have preferred this over Aburi? What sort of person chooses a system that makes him weaker, over one that makes him stronger?

The stupidity of Akenzua and others who allowed Gowon and his fellow Northerners to turn them into slaves deserves a medal of honour

Nope.
They would hide their stupidity behind Ironsi who died long ago before they made the decision to dissolve the regions and promote abominations they called states thinking they were caging the Igbos.
In trying to Cage the Igbos, they all caged themselves.

wirinet:
You are making assumptions or should I say excuses that was not in the Aburi accord. The Aburi accord never said anything about returning to civilian rule.
How would the regions be maintained in a military unitary system without elected executives and legislature?

Every miliary ruler knows civilian rule would return one day. Many even try to Transit from military to civilian rulers.
What we know for certain is that for regionalism to work, you need the regions intact. Everything else would follow.

Aburi Accord would have ensured the regions remained intact until the return of civilian rule, no matter how long it took.

That's the point.

wirinet:
Exactly. That would still have been the fate of Nigeria under the Aburi accord. Confederation could never have worked under a military government. The military operates a unitary command structure. The military heads of the regions would still take their authority and orders from the head of state.

The Aburi accord would have had a chance to work only under a democratic environment, where the people are free to choose their leaders.

Lies.
Aburi would have maintained the regions intact and allowed the smooth transition to regionalism once Civilian rule returned in 1979.

Lajet:
What is wrong with IPOB members? The minority ethnic groups in the Niger delta said they are not interested. IPOB said Nigeria is forcing them to be one nigeria while IPOB is doing the same thing. IPOB is not ready for freedom when they are ready the will limit Biafra map to only South East and proud Igbo people in Benue state and South-South

God bless you.

caleboxylic:
You sound incoherent. You want to get biafra for minorities by wasting Igbo youths. Just listen to yourself.
MNK should talk more of Igbo nation and stop laying much emphasis on old biafra. Those minorities are igbophobic and we have to return that in five folds. We are not our grand fathers that pampered them and swallowed all those rubbish. To hell with the minorities.

The minorities have nothing to offer us . We must teach our children to hate those fools with passion. I repeat,they have nothing to offer the great Igbo nation.

God bless Igbo land.

Thank you.

JohnSin97:
Lmao..... flatin0s and their load of bvllshit.
OP stupidly painting a picture like zik was fighting the british when the exact opposite was the case, Nnamdi Azikiwe and his father Obed-Edom Chukwuemeka Azikiwe were known british lapdogs who was a steward to lord lugard himself and later top person on his cabinet. The plan was for the british to enable the igbos via Azikiwe become the dominant tribe in Nigeria, was the reason Azikiwe was so hell bent on the "one Nigeria" project, and fought Awolowo from inputting the succession clause and instructed ojukwu to ensure that adaka boro's ijaw nation uprising was crushed. Alot of igbos are actually living in this self delusion and thinking that everyone is against them without them knowing that they're the source of their own problems, you want biafra but are the champions of "Lagos no man's land", you want biafra but ojukwu ensured that the Ijaws didn't get their's, you go around with bile, hate and Nazi like talking points thinking you can guilt trip everyone on your bvllshit. Keep bullshittin yourselves.

Below is a picture of lord lugard and his african lackey to the left Obed-Edom Chukwuemeka Azikiwe..... Lmao, the irony.

How did Zik stop Awolowo from inserting secession clause in the constitution?

He pointed gun on his head or he is a super human with extraordinary power to make people do his wish?

So Ojukwu a military man was taking instructions from Zik a civilian?

You had the option to have Lagos to yourself in 1967-70 when the East declared secession form Nigeria, what stopped you from declaring independence for South West?
Let me guess? Zik and Ndiigbo stopped you?
When you joined your Hausa-Fulani masters to pull Igbos back to Nigeria, what were you expecting? You didn't Know you would have to share Lagos with Igbos? Didn't all Igbos leave your Lagos for you in 1967 and headed to East?

Who passed land use decree that made all Nigerian land to belong to FG ? Was it not OBJ a Yoruba man?
Ojukwu arrested Boro but remind me again, didn't OBJ commit massacre in Odi ?
We opened an exposure thread about Boro yesterday and when you lots couldn't stand the truth you deleted it.

BiafIntel

The more you talk, the dafter and dumber you appear. During South Sudan's agitation for freedom, there were South Sudanese saboteurs like you who were beneficiaries of the status quo in Sudan who did everything to preserve it, yet freedom was gotten at last, so it's never a new thing, and also a proof that your "fifth columnists" nonsense is a bullcrap.

This is the part of the delusion and "Eze onye agwanam" problem with you IPOBIANS.
So I am now a Saboteur for disagreeing with your mini god and his mistakes?

South Sudan has so many ethnic groups and all of them were subjected to a referendum to determine if they will belong to the new country called South Sudan or if they will remain as part of their parent country Sudan. Nama brain, that's the same thing we are going to do in Biafra. Mumu, the referendum in South Sudan was not for one single ethnic group.

South Sudan major ethnic group is Dinka and they are just 36% of the population of the region. In contrast, the Igbo are about 66% of Eastern region.
The South Sudanese other tribes don't suffer from Dinkaphobia, their fight for freedom from Khartoum wasn't left to be solely led by the Dinka, every one of them banded together to chip in. You did common sit at home and these people couldn't even support you, but you want to delusionally believe they are with you.

You have no nation called nigeria, but a country. Go and google the difference between a nation and a country. Freedom is never given but taken and by force and that's what we are about doing. We do not need you nor your nigeria terrorist government or any other idiot to grant us the right to call for our own referendum, we know our right through the UN charter that grants all indigenous groups the right to self-determination and that's what we are gunning for.

Nigeria is not a nation but your multiethnic Biafra with unwilling partner minorities will be a nation, okwaya? South Sudanese ethnic groups fought together for 50 years plus to win that self determination right, they are on the majority a people with pastoral lifestyle and of low economic status. You want to take an Igbo of higher economic status who are well developed in fixed locations through a 50yrs plus war and destruction,forcing them to give up their luxuries of life while your director sits in comfort of London, right?
Be ready to be opposed by Ndiigbo.
You are obviously not blessed with thinking things through and putting them in proper context.
Ndiigbo are not same as South Sudanese. And can't just copy South Sudan reality and paste in Igboland. Our realities differ significantly with theirs.

Just watch and see as the world comes into the case of your beloved nigeria and calls for a referendum for its indigenous people to either belong to nigeria or go their own separate ways. It is on record that there was a place called Biafra and on this basis, a referendum will be called for it's component people to decide if they want to still belong to it or not.

So all your strategy is hinged on the world coming to rescue you. You want to burn Igboland to ashes and turns us, a people not used to pastoral lifestyle , into refugees in our land for 50yrs like South Sudanese, only with hope that the world that has not interfered in Kurdistan, Tibet, Chechyna, etc would intervene.
And unlike South Sudanese who had no Dinkaphobia, we are surrounded by Igbophobic groups whose eyes are fully set on our lands to appropriate for themselves. You have Ijaws eyeing Ndoki lands in the South and Igala eyeing Northern Anambra and Enugu up North, and you want to plunge us to a 50 years war with your only strategy being that we would bleed long enough for UN and rest of the world to "hopefully" interfere, because they interfered in case of South Sudan? Are you listening to yourselves?

Who told you that other ethnicities inside Biafra are also not calling for a referendum to allow them to decide if they want to belong to Biafra or not? Who told you so and where did you get this crap information from? From fulani sponsored print media? Ohh I see, you think we are as daft and dumb as you to believe all those crap being printed and posted on your contraption's print and social media? Sorry, we are not. Only a referendum will tell us the truth, and a referendum, we must have and by FORCE. We don't care how you daft arrssholes feel about it.

Stop being ridiculous. You only need to visit these minority regions to know that the people are not pro Biafra, many of them want restructuring or whatever that means and not secession from Nigeria. Stop blaming everything on imaginary enemies rather than accepting the truth starring at you. That's a losers attitude. Winners evaluate their reality and work with , and not lie to themselves to make themselves feel good. Saying minorities want referendum or secession from Nigeria is you lying to yourself and it would not get us anywhere.
Having few of their people in your organization does not mean they represent the wish of their own people back home.
We have conducted countless sit at homes and the commoners (not paid Government agents) in these areas all went about their businesses.
Do you Know that your "Ijaw brothers" like you delusionally call them have a day they celebrate as their anti BIAFRA day in Bayelsa?
This is by commoners and not government elites o!
Do you know what Boro day is all about?
You lots are surely not thinking things through.
You live in your lies and then when the truth f.uvks you from behind you start shouting betrayal and Sabo up and down. Better use your tongue to count your teeth now.

There exist several IPOB families in all the component regions of Biafra and they have the same right that your so-called politicians in their regions have. Your so-called politicians have just one vote

Nope. Such representatives from minorities are sell outs to their own people as they don't reflect the sentiment of the majority of their own people back home. They are just there to eat your money, they can't go home and preach BIAFRA to their own people without getting lynched.
If you are interested in the truth you would visit these minorities enclaves and you would know the sentiments of the majority of the commoners towards Biafra and Ndiigbo. I don't want to believe you lots are that daft not to know the Minorities sentiments. I think you just love to live in your lies, and build fantasies on your air. A kind of willful ignorance. Enjoy your bliss, but self deception has never helped anyone.

just as Biafra agitators inside those regions have during any kind of voting, so everyone's right to exercise their rights through a referendum [b]MUST be respected.

Nope. You can't call a referendum on a people who never called for it, just because you have few of them in your organization who know deep inside that they don't represent the sentiments of their people back home.
The sit at home not long ago told us about the commoners of the minority regions stand on the struggle.

Can you tell us what makes practicing clan and town democracy, not to be a democracy? Mumu, democracy is democracy everywhere. Why must we conquer anyone before our democracy will be recognized as one? Do you see how daft you appear? The Greek you mentioned learned democracy from us and the evidence you can find in the presentation in the video below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm04tUbuog8

You are not making use of your brain.
How could Ndiigbo have taught the Greek democracy.
Did Ndiigbo at any point in history have contact with Greeks?
How could we have had taught the world democracy when we never had contact with much of the world until the British arrived?
Are you aware that many African groups practiced village/clan democracy as well and not just Ndiigbo.
The way some of you reason is baffling and troubling

Nsogbu dikwa o!

Sufferingboy:
You no longer insult people and force your opinion on them.

I never did that.
Not even for once.
I told you that I'm a very proud Igbo man.

BiafIntel:
Nna, just keep quiet and stop making noise all over the place with your conjectures. Not even all Igbo people support the idea of Biafra, but you know what? There is something called REFERENDUM. No single region, not even we Igbos will be forced into Biafra. Membership as a component region will be subjected to a referendum. In all regions of Biafra, there are those who want to belong and you must give them a chance through a referendum, if the majority of the people of such region reject Biafra's membership through a referendum, so be it, but first of all, let a referendum happen. It is on record that we Igbos gave the whole world democracy, why don't you want to put it into practice through a referendum in determining who becomes a Biafran or not? Stop talking like an uneducated janajaaaweed. Biafra is not and will never be by force for anyone to join.
There is a reason why Mazi Nnamdi Kanu is determined in calling non-Igbo Biafrans to come into this fight. It will be easier to fight collectively and win freedom first, than fighting alone. The Yorubas have finally risen up today to fight from their own angle, and if you want to be sincere to yourself, you will admit that Oduduwa agitation is/will make it easier for us Biafrans to get our freedom quicker. It is called the psychological effect. After freedom is granted, then comes a referendum to determine the actual and final borders.

Don't be silly.
No body is giving you any referendum.
I wonder the kind of bullshit director feed you lots with.
There is never a time everyone in a nation will subscribe to an independence movement. There would always be beneficiaries of the status quo who would seek to preserve it.
There are always fifth columnists.
It's a given. Even south Sudan had them.

Where exactly is the record that you gave the world democracy? Is that the type of crap director feeds you?
Igbos practiced clan and town democracy, just like Ibibios and Annangs,but we never built empires or ruled anyone around us like the Greeks did , so how could we have given the world democracy?

Who gave you the right to call for referendum on behalf of ethnicities that never called for it?
When Scotland called for referendum, were they calling for referendum to be administered to Wales, Northern Ireland too to find out their stance?

Referendum is what you call for your own ethnic group,you don't call it for another.
Especially when they have repeatedly shown the world that they don't share in your ideology or cause as they demonstrated during the May 30th sit at home call and had done same through their elected officials repeatedly in print media and televised programs.

See eh! Unu ga-akwusi udiri iberibe a this year o!

naijapips02:
Don't ever in your life equate Nnamdi Oshi to the great Zik. DONT!!!!

They are both shortsighted individuals.
No much difference between both of them, actually.
Funny enough IPOB and MNK hate Zik with much passion, just as Zikites who are mainly pro Nigeria Igbos hate MNK and IPOB.

Yet both of them are just two sides of same coin as far as protecting Igbo interests are concerned.
Myopic individuals with little foresight.

BiafIntel:
The new Biafra will be a confederate state, so do not compare it to anything nigeria. All Biafra's regions will rule themselves and manage their resources, economy, and politics by themselves, and have their parliaments run in their local languages and only pay agreed taxes to the center.

Bla bla bla!
Ike Ana agwu kwadi unu?
Who are you forming the confederation with? Have you been to Yenegoa, Uyo, Sapele, etc before and shouted Biafra to see the indigenes reactions?
Or you just sit in your shops in Lapido and listen to MNK , and thereafter go about making baseless emotional noises?

You lots are an embarrassment.
Ana agwo unu ibi, unu Ana eto afo.

Didn't your director command sit at home the other day? Did the people you intend forming your Utopia confederation with comply?

Unu kpachala Anya unu o!

Sufferingboy:
Igboid you don change,wetin happen? I have been following your threads of recent.

What do you know about me to know if I changed?
You must know what I am to know if I changed.
I have always remained a proud Igbo man who wants nothing but Igbo only country.
I call it OPERATION NOAH'S ARK.
Meaning it would be built in SE with doors opened for all proudly Igbo groups in SS to join.

OriakuAmara:
my darlings,
If I am from any of the minorities tribes, I also will reject my people being included in this agitation led by kanu.
Why?
Because there is a selfish ulterior motive behind it.
Does it mean that Igbos can't led these people be for crying out loud ?
Are we not yet tired of the insults?
They can survive without Igbos, we too can survive without them .
Igbos should focus on south east and areas outside south east that are proud of their Igbo root

It's becoming irritating and embarrassing.
If MNK is not serious, he would be relagated in Igbo history the same place we dumped Zik.

[/quote]Let's take a look at Zik Igbo state Union address in Aba.
And dissect them.

[quote]The Ibo people have reached a cross-road and it is for us to decide which is the right course to follow. We are confronted with routes leading to diverse goals, but as I see it, there is only one road that I can safely recommend for us to tread, and it is the road to self-determination for the Ibo within the framework of a federated commonwealth of Nigeria and the Cameroons, leading to a United States of Africa. Other roads, in my opinion, are calculated to lead us astray from the path of national self-realization.

Above you see that Zik knew we needed self-determination but he was shortsighted to Know that we needed it outside the framework of NIGERIA.
Zik calculation was wrong. He flopped big time.

It would appear that God has specially created the Ibo people to suffer persecution and be victimized because of their resolute will to live. Since suffering is the label of our tribe, we can afford to be sacrificed for the ultimate redemption of the children of Africa. Is it not fortunate that the Ibo are among the few remnants of indigenous African nations who are still not spoliated by the artificial niceties of Western materialism? Is it not historically significant that throughout the glorious history of Africa, the Ibo is one of the select few to have escaped the humiliation of a conqueror’s sword or to be a victim of a Carthaginian treaty? Search through the records of African history and you will fail to find an occasion when, in any pitched battle, any African nation has either marched across Ibo territory or subjected the Ibo nation to a humiliating conquest. Instead, there is record to show that the martial prowess of the Ibo, at all stages of human history, has rivaled them not only to survive persecution, but also to adapt themselves to the role thus thrust upon them by history, of preserving all that is best and most noble in African culture and tradition. Placed in this high estate, the Ibo cannot shirk the responsibility conferred on it by its manifest destiny. Having undergone a course of suffering the Ibo must therefore enter into its heritage by asserting its birthright, without apologies.

Zik appears to be Masochist.
He knew existing in multi ethnic Nigeria with unwilling partners in North, was going to be suffering for us, he already saw the dress rehearsal in 1945 Massacre, yet he pushed on.
The blood of the Igbos must be spilled so that his one NIGERIA will exist and hopefully one Africa in the future?

Follow me in a kaleidoscopic study of the Ibo. Four million strong in man-power! Our agricultural resources include economic and food crops which are the bases of modern civilization, not to mention fruits and vegetables which flourish in the tropics! Our mineral resources include coal, lignite, lead, antimony, iron, diatomite, clay, oil, tin! Our forest products include timber of economic value, including iroko and mahogany! Our fauna and flora are marvels of the world! Our land is blessed by waterways of world renown, including the River Niger, Imo River, Cross River! Our ports are among the best known in the continent of Africa. Yet in spite of these natural advantages, which illustrate without doubt the potential wealth of the Ibo, we are among the least developed in Nigeria, economically, and we are so ostracized socially, that we have become extraneous in the political institutions of Nigeria.

So Zik knew we had all the above and were good enough to forge ahead a a single Monoethnic prosperous country.
Why then was he eager to burden us with unrelated groups?
This is same questions we are asking MNK and IPOB today. Funny how things remain the same the more they change.

I have not come here today in order to catalogue the disabilities which the Ibo suffer, in spite of our potential wealth, in spite of our teeming man-power, in spite of our vitality as an indigenous African people; suffice it to say that it would enable you to appreciate the manifest destiny of the Ibo if I enumerated some of the acts of discrimination against us as a people. Socially, the British Press has not been sparing in describing us as ‘the most hated in Nigeria’. In this unholy crusade, the Daily Mirror, The Times, The Economist, News Review and the Daily Mail have been in the forefront. In the Nigerian Press, you are living witnesses of what has happened in the last eighteen months, when Lagos, Zaria and Calabar sections of the Nigerian Press were virtually encouraged to provoke us to tendentious propaganda. It is needless for me to tell you that today, both in England and in West Africa, the expression ‘Ibo’ has become a word of opprobrium.

Of course the Igbophobia didn't start today.
Zik was hiding behind Ndiigbo to fight British masters. And we took bullets for it with the British going on overdrive to portray Ndiigbo as devils other Nigerian groups must avoid.
Zik wasn't hiding behind his Northern friends he wanted to do one NIGERIA with, he was hiding behind Igbo.
Today MNK and IPOB hide behind Igbo to propagate BIAFRA. They decree no elections in Igboland, seat at home in Igboland. They claim their fight is for their Utopian Multiethnic BIAFRA country, they wouldn't listen to wise counsel to limit it to Igboland, yet they expect Ndiigbo to take the hits for their struggle.
Two Nnamdis, same mistakes! Both want Ndiigbo to suffer not for our own freedom but for those of unwilling partners.

1. Both fought/are fighting for a Multiethnic country.
Zik wanted a bigger country without considering that diversity is never an advantage in national building. It's a disadvantage. There is a reason Biblical God introduced language diversity once he wanted to destroy the people of the Babel unity of purpose. In countries where you think there is diversity, look closer, there is also one dominant culture that the rest of the Minorities rally around. The English Anglo Saxon culture is what all Europeans (French/Italians/Germans/Irish/Spanish/Portuguese/Slavic) rallied around to build USA upon.
The Han Chinese culture does same Function for China.

2. Both are/were not Igbo nationalists . It's no news that Zik wanted to be Nigerian first before becoming Igbo. Just as MNK has repeatedly stated that he is a Biafran and not Igbo. While Awolowo and Saraduna were projecting and protecting Yoruba interests, Zik was running around claiming Zik of Africa and one Nigerian, he never wanted to be Zik of Igboland.

3. Both are/were eager to ignore conspicuous signs s that potend future danger in their pursuit of their Utopian Multiethnic country.
Zik had tell-tale signs of what was to come in Nigeria during the 1945 and 1953 Igbo Massacres in the North, yet he insisted on one Nigeria with the North. He even allowed himself to be manipulated into accepting the ceremonial presidency post so that a primary teacher in Balewa can have the whole power.
I have heard MNK talking about moving Biafra capital to Igbophobic Port Harcourt all in attempt to pander to the interests of minorities.

Nnamdi Kanu like Zik before him is currently ignoring the tell-tale signs that gives a peep into what the future of a country between Ndiigbo and Minorities could look like. The atrocities against Ndiigbo in Biafra war and post Biafra where they declared our property abandoned property highlight this.

4. Zik had to wait hard for the North to loosen her relationship with Britain who Zik considered oppressors but who the North considered good allies. You see, so tight was the bond between the North and the British that the North rejected independence from Britain.
The Minorities have shown allegiance and uncanny affinity to the North, who MNK and Ndiigbo consider oppressors.
They have at every point in time backed the North against Ndiigbo.
Twice Zik contested for presidential election in 1979 and 1983, and on each occasion, the Minorities voted more for Awolowo and Shagari than for Zik.
Ever since the days of Harold Dappa and Boro who declared the Hausa-Fulanis the saviours of Ijaw people, the Minorities led by Ijaw have continued to choose the North over the Igbo irrespective of how much the North led Nigeria have exploited and damaged their environment via crude oil exploration and exploitation.

Nnamdi Kanu like Zik waited for Northern-British romance to end, is currently waiting for the Minorities to end their romance with One NIGERIA and the North before Biafra can take off.

6. Zik was smitten with the arable vast lands of the North. He wanted such rich country in his myopic mind to be in the same country with his Igbo people, so much that he forgot Igboland has her own fair share of natural beauty and resources. MNK is smitten by minorities crude oil and coasts that he has forgotten how rich in Natural gas and in sizeable crude oil when fully explored Igboland is and can be .


7. Zik Never saw the Hausa-Fulanis as a threat.
He felt he could easily control them in his utopic Multiethnic country. MNK and co are likewise underestimating the Minorities and what they can do if empowered by an external body.

8. Zik tried all his life to project himself as a one Nigerian before the North and West who saw him as nothing but a man running an Igbo agenda.
I see Kanu trying too hard to present himself as detribalised before minorities who see him as nothing but a cunning Igbo man running Igbo domination agenda to rule over them.
Like Zik, if Kanu is not stopped by Ndiigbo now, he would end up jeopardizing Igbo future interests.

9. Zik built and cultivated a toxic relationship with unwilling partners and had to take a subservient role to make it work.
The North made it obvious they were not interested in independence from British. They feared the South would dominate them as they were not well educated.
They made it obvious that they would only support independence from Britain if they were offered the leadership of the new country.
Now let this sink in, the North contributed next to Nothing to the fight for independence, the fight was borne by the South. The British were not going to let a divided independent Nigeria, she would only hand NIGERIA over to the local leaders as a whole (East, West and North), atleast without violent resistance.

Same scenario is repeating today. The Minorities have no interest in Biafra, because they fear Igbo domination, they want their own independent countries, but since that isn't on the table, they would rather cling unto NIGERIA irrespective of the fact they are being exploited by the system.
It becomes obvious that to get them over the Biafran cause, MNK would have to make concessions that would harm Igbo future interests like Zik did with the North. We know today with the kaleidoscope of hindsight, that Zik committed a blunder of epic proportions.

10. The only time Zik unity with his unwilling Northern partners worked was when he was willing to accept the role of subservient partner.
The moment Zik wanted to have the option to lead the union, kasala burst. Starting with the disputed census results.

In same manner, the only time Igbo/Minorities union ever worked was when Igbos took the junior partner role.
Like when Eyo Ita was the governor of the region and a king from AkwaCross was the head of the Eastern House of chiefs. There was peace everywhere. But immediately Zik toppled Eyo Ita cries of Igbo domination filled the air.
Additionally when GEJ was on sit and had Igbo support between 2009 to 2015, the Minorities stylishly muted their Igbophobia. We were inundated with talks of SE/SS unity, GEJ was the new Azikwe. Asari Dokubo was waxing lyrical about Igbo unity with Ijaw. Edwin Clark shelved his usual anti Igbo rhetorics aside. But immediately GEJ was toppled, they all went back to their default settings.

Each time Ndiigbo want to lead the SS/SE coalition, the Minorities left us in the mud.
Look at the 1979 and 1983 presidential elections, Zik was disgraced in all SS minorities areas. Both Shagari and Balewa got more votes in Bendel, old Cross River (South Eastern) and old Rivers States than Zik did and by a long margin.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Nigerian_presidential_election#:~:text=Presidential%20elections%20were%20held%20in,the%20parliamentary%20elections%20in%20July.

You begin to wonder how Zik or Ndiigbo ever wronged these people.
The point being that these lots only accept unity with us on the terms that they lead the union.
Is this the legacy we want for Igbo future generations?

I speak of Nnamdi Kanu and Nnamdi Azikwe.
Two Igbo sons who have shaped Igbo history in modern times.
On the surface, it would appear both Nnamdi are worlds apart. I mean one championed One NIGERIA and the other want to tear One NIGERIA down and build Biafra in it's place. The contrast couldn't have be sharper on far inspection. However things are hardly what they appear to be from far observation on closer look.

This thread seeks to show the similarities between Zik and Kanu and why Kanu might be on path to repeating Zik mistakes without even knowing it.

Yes!
A Multiethnic Biafra with Igbophobic minorities down south should be a big No!

Like someone noted, that would be re enacting Zik's mistakes.

oyatz:
A dialect of Igbo (just as in other languages) is not easy to define because languages are often in spectra.

Some will tell you that their language is similar but not the same as Igbos.
If you go to Delta State, you will see some communities that speak languages that are similar to Igbo language but as you move westwards, the similarities with Igbo reduce gradually

A dialect of Igbo is very easy to define.
Igbo language is not mutually intelligible with any other neighboring language groups. Few words might be interchanged at the borders between Igbo and non Igbo groups, but language structure remain rigid. This is why an Igbo man from Imo will land in Igbanke in Edo State and comfortably communicate with the people, while a Bini man sharing same LGA with Igbanke cannot.

Sipsum:
How many Yoruba ministers were appointed by Good luck before the Yoruba elders decided to visit good luck?.
How many were appointed even after the visit?.
This thread wasn't just an eye opener for me, it was a reality check.

, on Thursday, as the leaders complained about being left out in the top six posts in the country.

There is no reality to check other than you spinning narratives to justify the Schadefreude dance you were demonically having at the start of Buhari government, when you all felt you were poised to benefit and see to Igbo marginalization.
Even at that, Aljharem (A Yoruba Muslim), RPpG9( another Yoruba) were all PDP men and were visibly angry with Yoruba elders for coming to complain to GEJ about not being part of top six positions, when Tinubu and Yoruba ACN obviously worked to stop Mulikat from emerging PDP house speaker and the elders kept quiet.

Look at the quote above. Their grouse was with Yorubas not being part of the top six.
Ministerial positions are usually covered by federal character, so all zones are usually well represented. You can only argue about how lucrative the ministerial positions assigned to Yorubas were, but Igbos had good portfolios in OBJ presidency too, and most of them were well merited and they truly delivered. Think of Okonjo-Iweala, Akunyili, etc.

bjdon:
Please try and restrain this kind of attitude. Biafra will need the good will of other groups in the South to thrive. Best to be strategic. There is nothing to be gained by antagonism your neighbours.

This is not antagonism.
This is me stating the raw Truth.
There is nothing to be gained by sugar coating issues. Every sustainable relationship must be built on the truth.

bjdon:
It's good to see some Igbos are now thinking strategically and not emotionally. Most of the minority groups in the Niger delta are sympathetic to the cause of Biafra, they just dont want to be part of it. Best to focus on what is achievable now, which is a Biafra of the 5 SE states, and make a success of it.

Nope.
They are not sympathetic to Biafran cause
Opportunistic is a better term.
Most of them are Igbophobic, but they secretly wish we fight for Biafra. They irrationally reason that once we get BIAFRA, they will automatically get their own mini republics off our sweat and blood without having to face the Hausa-Fulanis directly and if we lose they can renegotiate with Hausa-Fulani and seize more of our lands for their minority states as happened in Obiigbo.
They are jokers.

Dafur people and other minorities in Sudan who never joined the South Sudanese to sacrifice for independence were hoping for same thing too.
You know how it ended? They are all still in Sudan today.
If you are hoping to get your republics by being passive and letting Biafrans take the bullets now.
You would 100% have to continue one NIGERIA with the Hausa-Fulanis like those minorities in Sudan found out bitterly.

Yakurr people are maternally Igbo related.

An Igbo princess from Abriba Abia State gave birth to Ibe, through a Yakurr man.
Ibe established a dynasty in Yakurr.

It's very easy to appreciate why Yakurr looks phenotypically like Igbos and dress like Igbos too.
We have blood relationship. I would like to see that maintained in form of loose Confederation with Yakurr people in Biafra, of they are open to it.
Additionally, Igbophobia didn't permeate Northern Cross River, the people are reasonable and can be worked with.
If at all we should consider a multi ethnic Biafra, we should consider those minorities in Cross River first and foremost, they are blood.

cc: Daveconsult007

YAKURR BE-IBE HISTORICAL BACKGROUND (By Eteng Obono Okoi)
Yakurr comprises nine clans, these clans are Agoi Ekpo, Agoi Ibami, Assiga, Ekori, Idomi, Inyima, Mkpani, Nko and Ugep.
“Loka is the language spoken by the Yakurr people. The language is of the Bantu linguistic family, which is refers to as ‘’the people’’ is a linguistic classification of a group of closely related people languages spoken in the linguistic boundary known as the Bantu line which runs from the South-Eastern Nigeria through Central and Eastern Africa to Southern Africa.
Yakurr has been described by Iwara (1988) as one of the most widely spoken languages in Cross River State with Efik which enjoys the special status of a lingua franca in the state.’’
Yakurr shared their East and Northern boundaries with Obubra, in the West with Abi, and Southern boundary with Biase,
Yakurr, like the rest of other Nigeria nations experienced dynamism in all aspects of life. This point should be borne in mind so that we do not get a false impression of a changeless society.
TRADITION OF ORIGIN
The tradition of origin of Yakurr have remained a controversial issue among historians writing on the above topic. Captain Chessman in his report on Yakurr, and Ayiga clans stated that ‘’it was fairly certain that the Yakurr people first lived near Okuni’’.
Dr. Otu Abam Ubi in his PhD thesis asserted that ‘’the ancestral home of Yakurr was at Lekanakpakpa. Ubi further asserted that Ikom people called Lekanakpakpa Onugi, that information gotten from Okuni traditions confirmed that the Yako were their neigbour at Onugi, that they too migrated from the area’’.
Enang Bassey (1980) who wrote on the tradition of origin of Yakurr also noted that ‘’Lekanakpakpa had been identify to be the Oban hill which is South Olulumo area. He further asserted that Lekanakpakpa and Onugi are therefore likely to be the same thing, but referred to differently by the Okuni and Yakurr people.’’ Enang Bassey and Ubi shared the same idea on the topic. That, Yakurr people migrated from a place called ‘’Lekanakpakpa’’ as a result of a conflict over a violation of burial tradition by Yakurr people. The migration of Yakurr to their present homeland was accomplished in three phases. The first phase constitutes Ugep, Mkpani and Idomi, the second phase constitutes Ekori while the third phase constitutes Nko.’’ But despite all these assertions some questions of many Yakurr people were not yet answered.
The questions are who founded Yakurr? Who founded the first Yakurr dynasty? Who founded the second Yakurr dynasty? Why is the Yakurr traditional political system headed by Obol Lopon who must come only from the Leboljimo Matrilineal family?
Eteng Obono Okoi (2007) in his researched paper asserted that ,Yakurr was founded by a woman called Obia (which literally means” visitor” in Igbo language) a princess from Abiriba in Igbo land who had a misunderstanding with her father over the palace administrative system. She ran out of the palace, and migrated northward and settled at Akpa where she had an encounter with a hunter, she narrated her ordeal to the hunter. They got married. It was this relationship and a conquest they embarked on that formed what is today known as “Yako”. It was princess Obia that formed the first Yakurr dynasty at Akpa. On a Council of Chiefs Meeting at the Obol Lopon palace, when Obol Obia took her seat, her womanhood was exposed to some chiefs. She saw this incident as an abomination against the kingdom. She handed over the mantle of Obol Loponship to her son Ibe.
Obol Ibe started the second Yakurr dynasty. He prove himself as a great leader and warrior, he has won many wars. Those who were conquered during the wars were made to be part of Ibe’s family. He has the interest of his subjects at heart. He was admired by all his subjects and were called and addressed as Yako Be-ibe. It was when Ibe was full of age and on a sick-bed that a misunderstanding between Yako and her neigbours occurred. Weeks later he died. This was what necessitated an attack on Yako. Before the attack, Ibe’s family was dispersed. They migrated to their present home land and continued with their traditional political system that is today still based on Obol-Lopon.

http://etengo..com.ng/2011/08/yakurr-be-ibe-historical-backgroung.html?m=1