₦airaland Forum

Elidrisy20:
May Allah help Nigeria Army & security personnels to eliminate any bastard disturbing the of this Nation & beyond

If Allah is in support of people forcing unity on others, then Allah is not a good God and his will can never be done in Biafra.

Chukwu will overpower Allah.

MejiLoyon:
If you're behind your keyboard and you're shouting weldone while other people are losing their lives then you're the problem we have in this country. Apart from the problem in chief of the mad forces.

Let there be peace.

If you are asking for Peace without first asking for justice, then you must be evil.

Only the wicked ask for Peace without Justice.

alfasexy:
fake news

Yeah.
Once I saw Kwara in SW, I knew it was fake news.
The North would never give up Kwara.

OfoIgbo:
Back to the drawing board.

Omoku people are more related to PH people, so I don't see why you will lump PH people with non-Igboids, all in an attempt to ensure that Igboids in PH are not in control of their destinity.

This is obviously an attempt to make Igboids in the proposed Rivers state, a super minority group there. The Igboids of Rivers must not agree to this.

Once ONELGA, Omuma, Oyigbo are excised from Rivers state, the remaining Igboids automatically turn to minorities in Rivers state.

But I doubt this proposal comes from government anyway.

Please we shouldn't be crying for Ikwerre people.
They deserve to be with Ijaws, we should care less about PH.
If Omoku (Ogba people)wants they should also be re-added to Rivers State to stay with their fellow Igbo hating Ijaws and Ikwerres.
Orashi State can be Ndoni, Egbema, Oguta and parts of Ndokwa East.
If the Ika wants they can be re-added to Edo state. While Enuani can be bolstered by adding Ogbaru LGA to it to make up for Ika loss.

No Time.

We are still in Nigeria and you are lamenting. Imagine what your case will be in Biafra.

Igbo and Islam cannot be in the same sentence bro.

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davidnazee:
40million people choked in a 29ksq and 7 million in 17ksq.. I still say Edo state is almost as big..

There is no choking in SE.
On the contrary we have many free lush greenery spaces, which is why herdsmen want to die on top our forests.

Edo is sparsely populated because your ancestors engaged too much in invasion of neighbors through wars. Wars we know cost lives and worst still, you had a human sacrifice culture too.
Too many internal civil wars caused by Oba succession by his numerous princes also took lots of lives in Edoland.
The End result is a sparse minority population currently on aggressive expansionist drive to claim non related neighbors who don't speak Edoid language as part of Edoland in desperate attempt to swell your population and be regarded as a majority.

Lagos is the smallest state in Nigeria yet accommodates up to 20million people.
Yet even in Lagos you still find free spaces.

SE is 5 times bigger than Lagos and with about 2twice the population.
Common sense should tell you that we have lots of empty forests. Especially when we had since imbibed the habit of building upstairs. And not waste lands building BUNGALOWS.

Below is an aerial view surroundings of Abriba town, an Igbo town in Abia State. Notice the lush green surroundings.

UGBE634:
It's bigger than anambra, imo and ebonyi state combined. when he said almost I understood what he meant technically he is not wrong

29 to 17 is not almost. I don't know who is your maths teacher but your parents deserves some refund.

Hmm.
Jungle don dey mature o!

InyinyaAgbaOku:
What are you doing with fighting for people that don't want to form a country with you ? You are not the one that should be leaving them or not , they should be equally involved in the fight.

Igbanke my foot

Thank you, some of our people are funny.

Onye ndu.

Nice one.

Sufferingboy:
Keep quiet,which enugu north? I here in enugu state,aparthy is too high your people don't vote.But on election days we Ikas dey give pdp block votes.
Before,Okowa was an Ibori boy,but once he became governor he break out and now he have his own loyalist.He only respect ibori.
Check all his appointees and see the percentage of Ika people.
Even Emefiele that I usually criticise here for nothing giving ika people agricultural support i.e grants and loans.
Yet,through emeifiele many Ikas are now working in top CBN position.Emefiele is still better than Ayim Pius,who was senate president and later secretary to the federation,what did the sleeping man do for ebonyi?
Or is ekweremadu who want to die in senate?
In anioman politics currently,Ika people are dominating and controlling everything,forget about the capital in oshimili land(asaba).

Ika is just two inconsequential LGAs . Your block votes means nothing.

All you ended exposing here is the nepotism tendency of an Ika man. All Anioma people campaigned for Anioma governor but it's like your Ikas had cornered every benefit of Anioma governorship to yourselves.

Asaba is a beautiful city and cannot be forgotten.

Sufferingboy:
In south-south we Ikas are small but mighty,we are not the 20th ethnic group by population,we should be the 5th,we are over 6million in number,including our brothers carved into edo.So of our people live aside Ika land and aside Nigeria.
Naija need to conduct another census.

Whatever you are is none of IGBO concerns.
Point is that you should be testing your population strength against your fellow minorities in SS in battle of who would clinch teh the zone presidency slot.
Good luck winning the racing. You would need lots of it.

Who are the Ikas in Edo?
The Igbanke?
So you want to use Igbanke people to pad your own numbers, you don't think Igbanke people has wised up too.
They are now saying they are a distinct group from you Ikas.

Sufferingboy:
Wrong,before the civil war we Ikas were never Igbos,we only fought and supported them as brothers and neighbours.Even the benins and esans where majority of our ancestors came from,we don't claim them anymore.
We are Ikas.

Ikas never had problem with Igbo tag before the war.
Ika kings were among those who wrote to Bernard Burdillion in 1939 against adding of Western Igbo which Ika was part of to Western region and not Eastern region.

Sufferingboy:
You are stupid,clark is an old goat.
We Ikas can contest now,because GEJ still have fours for the south-south.So it is better GEJ contest again.
You guys need biafra,Nigeria is a zoo,you don't need the presidency.
Your people don't vote,so na who go vote una?
Rotation from North to south is okay,but micro-zoning to south-east is am opression to south-south people.
Look after Ibori,okowa is the 2nd man in delta state his is one of the most powerful governor in the entire south and PDP.
Kerosine sharing ikpeazu and sister ugwuanyi of both Abia and enugu state can not stand before Okowa in PDP,how much their state dey contribute?

Ika is like the 20th ethnic group in SS by population, so who told you that you are the next in line for SS presidency?

We need Biafra, but while we wait for it, we would also use Nigerian presidency to be passing time.

Only Enugu North LGA has more voting strength than the entire Ikaland combined

Okowa is just another Ibori stooge like Uduaghan. He is not a strong man.

Vinnie2000:
Yeah, There is a Difference..

The South East Igbos are the Traditional Igbos..D ones we know are Business-minded n scatter in Nigerian towns n cities..They come from Imo, Enugu, Ebonyi, Abia and Anambra..

But some are close to Benue(Idoma areas) and Cross River..Diz ones are still Igbos!!

But Ikas in Delta have a language n culture of their own, same as d Ndokwas,, dats y dey don't want to be cald 'Delta Igbo' or Igbo..

However, in d same Delta State, D Aniocha/Oshimili group sometimes identify demselves as Igbos because dier areas are closer to Onitsha, Anambra state n dier language is almost d same as d Main Igbo!!..(Funny enough, some don't e.g JayJay Okocha n Okonjo-Iweala)..

The area Where Nzeogwu who killed Ahmadu Bello, Tafawa Balewa, etc came from is Okpanam n is in Asaba axis..Pple then said an Igboman killed Hausa politicians..

So, you see dat it's Quite Confusing n Complicated!!

Am not from Rivers State, so cannot say much on Ikwerre..

This is so wrong and ignorance induced in many levels.
Ika and Ndokwa has no distinct language of theirs.
Their language is only a dialect of Igbolanguage.
Even in SE we have sub groups bigger than Ika, Ndokwa and each have their own unique dialect of Igbolanguage and certain Unique culture of their own too.

What makes Ndokwa and Ika non Igbo is not their language or culture, because they are both Igbo.
What makes them non Igbo is their mindset and their decision not to be Igbo post civil war.
Nothing more and nothing less.
Oshimili/Aniocha don't sometimes identity themselves as Igbo, they most times identify themselves with Igbo, and it's not just because they share boundaries with SE, afterall Ndokwa share boundaries with SE as well.
But because of the people mindset. They were not broken by the civil war, so retained their Igbo identity.

There is nothing like main Igbo. Infact the first place called Igbo by the whites was in today Delta State in Aboh Ndokwa.

Enuani is similar to Idemili/Onicha dialect

Ndokwa is similar to Oguta/Ogbaru dialect.

Ika is a like a hybrid of Owerri and Nsukka dialects

Sufferingboy:
Clark is an old goat,let him speak for his people.
Ifeanyi okowa is an Ika man from owa clan and he can contest.
Peter Odili is a Ndokwa man,from Ndoni clan and he can contest.
Rotimi ameachi is an Ikwerre man and he can contest.
We have every right to contest.Perhaps,developers from east can comtest too,but they have high political aparty in east,so na who go vote them in east?
Developers from east want biafuro drug republic,nigeria is a zoo to them.They don't want presidency.
Oshimili and aniocha should not contest,they are the one clark is talking too.

Don't be silly bro.

Ika is not Igbo. Ikwerre is not Igbo too.
Ndoni is currently divided on their Igbo identity.

Okowa will contest when it's time for SS presidency. He would do so after he must have outcompeted Isoko, Urhobo, Ijaw,Ibibiod, Efik,Edo,etc candidates.
Same is applicable to Ikwerre.

We are speaking of SE presidency and since SE is dominantly atleast 99% IGBO is also same as Igbo presidency.
Which means that we Igbos in SE can choose to have a fellow Igbos from SS to represent us if we think there are better sellable candidates there.
Unfortunately, Ika and Ikwerre are not Igbos, so are not included.

Tcwork:
Talk for yourself not for every igbo man. We the igbo have been very individualistic from time. Every man thinks and decides for himself so speak for yourself. Many of us live all over Nigeria. We own businesses and property in Yoruba and hausa land. I am not crazy about the biafra thing. My father fought in the war and I am not prepared for another war.
I see nothing good in nnamdi kalu and his army of thugs.
These guys are making the east more unsafe. Do I believe in one Nigeria? I really don't care but I care about my business and my safety. I don't want a war and I don't want to lose everything I have worked for over the years.
Let's face it, igbo would lose the most if this biafran stupidity plays out.
Do you think the yorubas would be so kind to let you claim your property?
See what they are doing to us in Ghana, it would be 10 times worse.

Igbos are individualistic yet we seem to act in unison even in our individual mindsets, because a typical Igbo puts the interest of Igboland ahead of selfish ones.

You are very selfish person who puts your own interests ahead of those Igboland.
No one forced you to invest in the North and Yorubaland or Igbophobic parts of SS.

Ndiigbo have been preaching the message of Aku luo uno for the past decade but greedy and selfish ones among us who are more interested in ROI than in building Igboland have continued to invest heavily in the North and SW and then you wish the rest of us would stay in Nigeria so that your investments up there would be presevered?

You are a joker. You and your ilks have but one vote and are in minute minority. You can have you say , but the rest of Igbos not driven by selfish agenda want Biafra and we would have our way in the end.

If you know what is good for, better start investing in Igboland today, so that when all those things you have in SW and North and Igbophobic SS goes up in smoke, you can have something to rely on.

I'm currently not in Igboland too, but I'm investing in Igboland for rainy days. No one else would develop Igboland but Ndiigbo.
Rather than hating on your people for seeking for Biafra, better start investing home so that you would not be blackmailed into being na enemy of your people by the people you made investments in their lands.

Mulu ako.

Before this concept of two chiefs was allowed, Chief Essien had been the President of Eastern Chiefs Conference, so they could not dislodge him at that stage – long laughter…. What happened then was that the next year during the 1958 Constitutional Conference they dislodged him. They made up their mind that they got one man from Owerri Province to replace him (Chief Essien).So, he and I went in 1957 because the 1956 conference did not take place – there was a Foster Sutton Tribunal against Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe.

So in a region Igbos were the majority and constituted 2/3 of the population, we had two traditional leaders representing the region and none was Igbo.
No Igbo cried.

But when one minority traditional leader was replaced with an Igbo one, this Igbophobic old Ijaw man saw it as Igbo domination.

Wonders shall never end.

These are the sort of people IPOB want Ndiigbo to share a country with?

Azhi gbakwa!

Eastlink:
The internet is replete with your true identity. It was the Portuguese that gave you your name and identity. Jos was the name the Portuguese called you which you localized to Izons because you have no “J” in your alphabet.

Some Jos aka Izons might be claiming Oru heritage to give your migrant status a bit of indigenous link, but you're not. You lots were invaders who came with the Portuguese. This is why land grabbing is part of your DNA.

This is the Truth.

The Jos people were sea porters to the Portuguese who accompanied to them to Niger Delta where they met proto Ibibiod groups Iike Ogbia, Obolo, Abuloma,Abua , Odual and proto Edoid groups like Epie-Attisa, Engennni, proto Igboid ones in Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ndoni all occupying the riverine areas.
They assimilated many of these groups.

ChinenyeN:
This is foolish. I honestly cannot believe what I just read. You’ve been on NL long enough and interacted with me long enough to know better, but you’re just here carrying along with the stupidity spewing from Eastlink’s mouth about me. I’m going back to the Culture section. I don’t even know why I tried to show you a modicum of modesty and goodwill by responding to your request for my thoughts on the original post. I won’t be responding to anything else on this thread.

Please don't come to political section again , you obviously can't survive here.
I thought that all these years you would have changed from your clannish ways, obviously I was wrong.

Eastlink:
Chinenye I think it's time you go and cook for your husband. I’ve come to understand one thing about you. You always want to discredit Igbo history. All since you joined Nairaland, you’ve always shown your Igbophobic tendencies. No true Igbo will do so. Forget about the fraudulent history you post from time to time, once it involves Igbo, you show your rashness.

I once challenge your Igboness in this group and up till now, you're yet to prove you're truly Ngwa. Except trying to impose one-frankenstein Ikwerre language on Ndi Ngwa, everything about you is fake.

Even before likeminds noticed this thread, you jumped in to dish out your quack point of view. So please carry your foolishness to look for where you’ll be cured and allow those with points lay them.

I think she might be an Igbo woman married to Ijaw people or an Ijaw married to Igbo.
But there is definitely an impurity there.

PHijo:
Taaa ma cho onu!

Do you think I am Yoruba you can lie to?

When did Igbo know there is River, sea and ocean?

Your language doesn't even have male or female gender and you want to have different words for water.

Until you started stealing Ijaw words you only had one word for land in Igbo language.

Igbo language is a richer language than Ijaw. It dominates wherever it goes which is why it remains the language of grand Bonny and Opobo to your anger. Your language couldn't compete.

Now here are Igbo words for water bodies:

Mmili/Mmiri/Miri/mili/Mini/Mmunyi= Water
Iyi= Stream/river
Odoko Mmili/ Eju= lakes/ponds/puddles
Iyi-enu= Fountain
Oshimili/Orimili/Osimili= Big River
Oke Oshimili= Seas/Oceans
Oru/Olu= Those who live by water bodies

AdakaBoro8:
igbo migrate from 3countries. cameroun was among..

Ijaw or Oru is the ancient tribe of africa.. Ijaw is different from others bcux God created us in his liking.. the tribe God love most is Ijaw.

This Yoruba man

PHijo:
Even in defunct eastern region. The Igbo tried to change our names, language and identity. Is it in states you Igbo are overwhelming majority you will allow Ijaw, Igala and Ibibio minorities to bare their real names?

Since when did Igbo mean land in the Igbo language? Since when did miri stop being water in the Igbo language that Oru is now the word for water?

Biko, learn your language well before you talk in public.

There are only 3 ethnic groups in Nigeria that are Oru, none of them are closely related to the Igbo.

I have been saying it, if we claim our ancestral land and the Annnang/ Ibibio and Igala do the same, the Igbo would be in IDP camps.

You claim Opobo people are Igbo because of Jaja, Jaja's name is Ijaw, he lived in another Ijaw community before moving to another Ijaw community. Yet you insist Ndoki couldn't have come from elsewhere because the person who heads their clan is called Eze Nwankwo but Opobo's monarch goes by traditional title, amayanabo and yet you Igbos spurious claims.

Olu/Oru means riverine dwellers in Igbo. Deal with it.
We called riverine dwelling brothers Olu/Oru and they called us Igbo, meaning land/forest dwellers.

Opobo was not an Ijaw community. It was an Ibibiod territory which Jaja took from them and resettled his subjects which included Igbos and Ijaws in.
There was no Ijaw man on the Island before Jaja arrival.

King in Ijaw realms are called Pere. King in Opobo town are called Eze! Amanyanabo is but a title which could always be borrowed.

ChinenyeN

I don’t know who the OP (original poster) is, so I won’t offer up any opinions on them per se. But it’s possible you mean OP as in “original post” (the post itself). In that case, I can say a few things about it.

To begin with, I can’t say I disagree with the writer’s premise. Anyone who casually examines the ethno-linguistic history and traditions of origin in the area will find it near impossible to claim beyond a doubt that Ndoki and Bonny don’t have ancestral, non-slave, Igbo-speaking origins. So that part is agreeable. It’s just that a lot of what the writer says to support the premise in this write up is questionable.

Ok. I agree with you on this.

Truthfully, I think the original post is rather “Ijaw-phobic”, if I can use that term. The writing is so heavily anti-Ijaw that it ends up discrediting itself at times. If you dig even a little, the write up shows a lot of inconsistencies and even some outright wrong things.

The writer was debunking Ijaw rabidly Igbophobic narratives on Bonny so naturally should appear Ijawphobic too, since he is writing to discredit Ijaw falsehoods.

If this is limited to the Umueze clan, then I can understand where the writer may be coming from. One of the oral traditions in Umueze claims a long-winding history of migration from Benin or Central Delta, entering “Igboland” from the south and then cutting northeast towards Oguta, etc. However, Umueze has never claimed Oguta as its homeland. Even before this “Ijaw vs Igbo” saga started, the Umueze never mentioned Oguta as ancestral homeland. It’s always been either Benin or Central Delta Ijaw. The writer could possibly be making a supposition here that Ndoki (Umueze) are part of that set of Ndoni-Abo-Oguta communities near the Central Delta. It’s not a bad supposition. However it is not a claim that has ever been made by Ndoki people, not even in early intelligence reports.

Now this is my problem with you. In your bid to appear unbiased to neutrals you often derail into Igbophobic realms. There is never any part of Ndoki history that made mention of the people migrating from Central Delta Ijaw like you claimed. The Central Delta Ijaw Kolukuma claims has it's origin in Alagoa fabricated post civil war stories.
OP rationally deduced like many Ndoki people are currently doing that Ndoki people are probably of Oru Igbo stock as it's mostly Oru Igbos that have Benin origin stories and their migratory trail from a west to East direction makes sense when pinpointed to Oguta and surrounding Oru Igbos.

Now, if the writer is not limiting this to Umueze and is instead referring to all of Ndoki, then this would simply be wrong. Ndoki is not from Oguta. Their traditions do not trace them to Oguta.

I don't know about Oguta history of Ndoki, but I Know damn well that Ndoki has no precolonial history of originating from Central Delta Ijaw like you falsely claimed. That was Alagoa fabricated story that had been allowed to fester over the decades post civil war.

The writer got this wrong and ended up confusion themselves in the process. It is actually the ethnonym “Ogoni” (and not Ibani) that refers to a “guest” or a “stranger”, derived from the Ijaw word “igoni”.

I will look into this later.

ChinenyeN

What do you have to say about this OP?

SlayerForever:
It's not going to be easy getting this ones back. They're not exactly keen.

It wouldn't.
But acknowledging that the Ijaws are no brothers to Ndiigbo but rather aggressively expansionist neighbors would be a great way to start to unwind this conundrum.

PROUDIGBO:
One of my older cousins told me Ndoni means Ndi Onuiyi.

Yes! That's the meaning.

But are you aware of the leadership tusssle going on currently in Ndoni between the Biniphilic and Igbophilic components of the town?

PHijo:
https://www.nairaland.com/5150843/ndoki-clan-reunion-ijaw-root

There is nothing like an " Oru Igbo". You can't be an Oru and an Igbo at the same time. The Igbo claim to be Jews from the Middle east which has no connection to the Oru, one of Africa's oldest groups.

The Orus fall under 3 ethnic groups in Nigeria and Igbo is NOT one of them.

Your ethnic group ( Igbo, Ibo) was named by the Oru people. To attach Igbo and Oru in the same sentence is an insult to the Orus.

Alagoa did not reverse any history. The fact that he connected Ndoki to Benin can tell you he knows the exact families they belong to.

If all the ethnic groups whose lands are occupied by the Igbos through the activities of people like Azikiwe and Aguiyi-Ironsi reclaim their lands, the Igbo would be forced out of Nigeria.

To start with, Ubani is the abbreviation of a compound word. There is no ethnic group called Ubani.

George Washington, America's first president has a city named after him. His family had slaves who answered Washington as their surname. The name Washington did become the name of an ethnic group or tribe. Neither do you define the Washington family by their slaves.

Ijaw people can't be defined by Igbos, your understanding of how governance operates is very limited. That is why you cannot comprehend the Ijaw system with the Amayanabo as monarch.

You Igbos couldn't even organize yourselves at the very basic level. It was the Europeans who had to create the "warrant chief" system for you Igbos. I can understand why you made reference to the Ijaw system as feudal. To start with, the use of the word feudal within this context makes no sense.

You say what?
Oru/Olu is the riverine part of Igboland.
The Ogbaru, Ndoni, Ogba,Oguta Parts of Anambra west LGA, even Ndokwa are all called Oru/Olu in Igbo meaning riverine brothers.

In Igbo we have a saying: "Olu na Igbo", which literally translates to the "water and the land ", which eventually means"the whole world".

Ndoki a clan whose head is called Eze NWANKWO can not have originated from anywhere else.

awgumayor:
Ever since the Igbos started agitating and campagning for homogenous Igbo republic all the comments like; " we south south, attache by force, igbos want our oyel" have just diminished. Butterflies thinking to be birds. Why can't that fake, concocted geographical expression agitate for their own freedom as it is happening in east and west? Niger Delta only comes up when Biafra is mentioned. Useful idiots everywhere !! Igbo only country is good to go. God bless Igboland.

This is what we tell IPOB. Stop making irrelevant groups relevant.
Ignore them like they don't exist. Focus on Igboland.

jerseyboy:
100% Monoethnic Igbo Biafra with non Igbo hating Igboid groups in SS easily will lead all of Africa. Many unfortunately still lack the ability to envision it.

That's what will happen in the end.
An Igbo only Biafra with the door open to Igbophilic Igboid clans scattered in SS and NC and shut tightly on the face of Biniphilic/Igbophobic Igboids in SS.