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Benalvino....
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Philippians 2:9-11
English Standard Version (ESV)
9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and
bestowed on him the name that is above every
name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every
knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and
under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God
the Father.
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Are you seeing the above scripture??...

Only trinitarians would read revelation 5:12 and try so hard to prove Jesus is being worshipped as GOD....

The elders and angels know who there God is....and that is the Father....

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Please do you see again that the Father remains the one GOD who recieves all the glory??.......

benalvino: good... Now you left the TRUE God FALSE God and in between god... You want to cling on figurative and also use same statement against Jesus... Do people worship Satan? Yes and the Satan they worship is the idols they make them selves...

Jesus being God was worshipped rev 5:12 24 elders in heaven worshipped Jesus and this can only happen if he is not idle... So the bottom line is... Is God allowing idolatry to happen in heaven?

The father says he will destroy those gods who didnt create the heaven and earth... Am still asking if he will destroy us all by your logic.

Bible made it clear that Jesus is God by nature... No where does it say we are God by nature except men making us gods which is bad.

Anything else are idols.

And the angels are Gods by what??........

Not by nature abi??.......do you know that if an angel appeared to you right now you would call him GOD??.....



And please I didn't forget the true GOD......

Jesus himself clearly stated who the one true God is in john 17:3...clearlY Jesus didn't include himself..........and ofcourse Jesus was pointing to who we should worship as our GOD and who is the one GOD over all(with Jesus included)...

And did the 24 elders worship Jesus as there GOD??......is Jesus the God of the 24 elders??......eh??...

Did the isrealites worship david as there GOD when they bowed down before Yahweh and his appointed king(David)??......

When would you ever learn??....

Didn't you read that all persons must bow to Jesus as Gods annointed king??.........

It is obvious at this point that you can't answer who your God is....should I leave you alone or are u ready to answer that question??........

Bidam: I can see your "ME" is in capital letters which is greater than "he" of Jesus. It is not surprising.

Don't mistake my write up o....

Upper case and lower case no be my problem for here.......

I just clearly said Jesus is greater than me.......

I'm under his authority......

No use letter casing come dey worry my life this morning......

deSika: do you mind quoting acts 5:3,4

my God is the one who says "let us make" yet says "i made". does that help you

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Oh your God is the one who said "let us make "........

Ok please who is he??.......

I just clearly said mine is the Father alone...

Please be specific as to who the speaker is......

Who is your God??.....

benalvino: Life is like programming bolean which either takes TRUE or FALSE..
yes or no... Either you are for God or against him... There are nothing In between...

In acts 10:26 Peter did not call him self a god... He says he is a man...

The bible makes it clear that there are socalled gods and they are all idols... Bible never says anything good but destruction to them because they are made by men. Jehovah explicitly says he did not form any god.

Know when the bible is being figurative. Satan is never a god.

the verse I provide is a key proof... Any socalled god that didnot create the heavens and earth will be destroyed. That includes Satan and anything U call gods like as you are calling men water and rats gods

You are the dancer here.....

So satan now called God is a figurative statement,but when Jesus is called it is real....abi.........

So you even know what figurative means...uh??.......

1...You have denied completely that God never called and pronounced men God(s)....

2...You are also denying that or maybe accusing the scriptures for calling or refering to angels as "EL"......


You have a long way to go bro......

And please answer this my question so that at least I fit know if you and the babylonians no be cousins.....


WHO IS YOUR GOD??...

deSika: who was sent to Babylon. Cyrus

also take note, the messiah was sent to set the captives free
i answeredd yours, now answer mine.

show where Cyrus said a single word in those verses.

who has been talking all along.

isaiah 48:16
Come you near to me, hear you this; from the beginning I have not spoken in secret; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord Yahweh has sent me, and his Spirit.

has Cyrus been speaking from which beginning.

"Come you near to me". Who was telling which people to come near to him




by the time you are done answering, then pls check
isaiah 42 and 61 abi, hosea 1:7, zech 2: 10,11, malachi 3:1

especially zechariah 2: 8,10,11

These scriptures are confusing to you because you believe in the trinity and would do anything to convince yourself and force the trinity into these innocent verses...

I had earlier told you of how the hebrews wrote down words idiomatically by one refering or doing something with reference to himself...I used that verse in 1 kings 8:1 as a perfect example.....

And may I clarify issues on this isaiah 48:16....

The person who was sent in that verse is ISIAIH himself who was Gods prophets....

And that prophecy was to fulfill on cyrus whom God used deliver the isrealites from the babylonians .........

Ishilove: GOD is...

G- Generator

O- Operator

D- Director

...

This your definition na die.........

Ishilove abeg help me join mouth ask these boys/men who there GOD be??.....

The boys no fit answer simple question...

I don announce who my God be.......them dey run around like neymar and torres......

benalvino: @ ijawkid... Stop running around man... It says Jehovah alone is the God of the earth... There is no supreme... That verse I gave you indicate there is non else. Simple and clear.

the verse clearly states is only one God of this earth N beneath

For argument sake U went as far as saying mountain snake rats are gods lmao...

And you are the one running around from the fact that God himself pronounced men as Gods...........

Didn't God call men GOD(s)??......please answer and stop being evasive......

deSika: runaway Ijawkid, how did ur exams go.

I guess Peter must also be a trinitarian in acts 5:3,4. He called the holyspirit God. He said when we lie to the Holyspirit we are lieing to God. Could Peter be talking about us lieing to "a non one God"

Oboy peter no call holy spirit God for that scripture...you're been deluded by your trinitarian mind and also twisting that verse to suit your delusion.......

And peter never refered to the holy spirit as his GOD........

deSika: one thing is for sure, the bible don try for people like u. E b like say the bible know say people like u go say Jesus na God just like me and u na God, him con quick quick add 'mighty' to Jesus own God so u no go say him na the same level of god him be with satan and angels. But still you still de show your gragra. Na oyo things 4 u.

By the way u have some yet to be attended issues on my thread

shalom aleichem

And I'm getin ready to go to your thread......

And may I ask you the same question I have been asking benalvino.....

WHO IS YOUR GOD??.....

People called GOD is no problem to me,what is in question here is who is our GOD??...who is your God??...who is benalvinos GOD??....

Make ona answer o make we know if ona be monotheist or polytheist.....

benalvino: That shouldn't be your problem... Your problem should be this verses...

Deuteronomy 4:35-39
Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (v.35)
The LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else. (v.39)


Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.

Deuteronomy 32:39
See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me.

1 Kings 18:39
The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.

Isaiah 43:10
I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isaiah 44:8
I am the LORD, and there is none else ... There is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

Isaiah 45:5-21
I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me. (vv.5-6)
There is no God else beside me ... There is none beside me. (v.21)


Isaiah 46:9
I am God, and there is none else: I am God, and there is none like me.

Mark 12:29-32
The Lord our God is one Lord. (v.29)
There is one God; and there is none other but he. (v.32)


John 17:3
That they might know thee the only true God.

1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.

This verses proves anything called god in heaven or earth that is not GOD by nature is idol... They are called gods by men.

I have no problem with these verses.....I think you should be the one having problem with them.......

And if you had heard me on this thread I have said one does not have to be a false God because he or she is not Jehovah......

People can be called God by virtue of the fact that they are Gods image.....

I have given you the example of angels but you are so adamant as not to see the point......the angels are refered to as EL just as the almighty GOD too is called......

But these faitfhul angels are not false Gods because ofcourse they do not seek the worship that belongs to God to themselves.........

Not too long I quoted a scripture were Godhimself proclaimed men as Gods......

Now I have said in all of these I know who my GOD is......

You have been the one running around like a mice.......

Who is your GOD??......

benalvino: Know when the bible is being figurative... Satan is not the god of this world and here is why

Deuteronomy 4:35-39
Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (v.35)
The LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else. (v.39)

Oh so you can still tell who is the supreme God of the world even when satan is called the GOD of this world.......??....

I think say the title GOD for just make satan equal with GOD,...since ona wan chop the word ""GOD"............

benalvino: The God of earth is jahovah that's why we worship him...

Jehovah is not only just the God of the world/earth,he is God of Jesus,me,you and everybody.....that is why he is my GOD.....I worship the highest and supreme GOD who is over everybody.........

benalvino: If Satan is the god of earth then it should be ok to worship him... But the bible teaches that there is only one God of this world who is Jehovah... Satan is no different from the woods that people call gods but they are not gods.

But the scriptures clearly calls him GOD.....my point is satan is called GOD but he is definitly not my GOD......

benalvino: The thing is God said he will destroy any socalled gods that didn't create the heaven and earth.

Jeremiah 10:11
The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.

God would destroy those who claim worship for themselves as the one GOD.....

Jesus,the faithful angels and faithful humans never claim that right.......infact they all recognize Yahweh the Father as the Most high and the highest authority and so recognize him as there GOD.......my GOD is the same God of Jesus Christ and the faithful angels.......

So they won't be destroyed..

benalvino: Question is will all of us as gods as you say perish?

My problem is you are still arguing with God himself who called humans GOD(s)....you are just been stubborn.....


And the ultimate question to test if you are a monotheist or polytheist is still waiting for you.....


WHO IS YOUR GOD??

Bidam: "Sitted" with Christ represent positional authority,that is once you accept Jesus is your God not your servant.

Wouldn't those who would be sitted by Jesus' side be ressurected first??.......

And I can't accept Jesus as my GOD,when I know who my GOD is........

The Father alone.........

It seems you guys don't know who your God is.........

And Jesus is not my servant....he is greater than ME...

Uyi Iredia: I don't believe in The Trinity. Like Jay-Z I believe in one God understood differently by various religions.

Uyi bro wad up.....

Did Jayz say those words in one of his songs??....

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2 corinthians 4:4

English Standard Version
(©2001)
In their case the god of this world
has blinded the minds of the
unbelievers, to keep them from
seeing the light of the gospel of
the glory of Christ, who is the
image of God.


@benalvino...

Is the GOD mentioned in bolded your GOD??......

He is called GOD o...infact GOD of this world.......

benalvino: When did Yahweh call us God abeg.

How is the question not helping me?
You believe in Jesus another god that is polytheist whether you worship him or not. Believing in one God is monotheists

Shaking my damn head .............

Psalm 82:6
King James Bible (Cambridge
Ed.)
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of
you are children of the most High.



Jesus is not my God just as satan is not my God...........I don't believe in Jesus as my GOD.......


I remain a monotheist..........

You can go struggle with yourself if you're a polytheist or not......

Don't drag me into the debauched situation of trinitarians who are so confused as to who there God is.....

I ask you again.....

WHO IS YOUR GOD??

benalvino: Hahahaha he that says there is no other god beside him more than 20 times in the bible?

Thanks for the laugh. He said he didn't create any god. Any time U here god is what humans makes... Whether wood or person.

What are you talking about huh? How God knows there are other gods and still say there is no other god?

I bet you can't answer it or you will say it is waste of time again

Your questions are useless........

Because they are not helping you.....

Did Yahweh himself not call us God??...Doesn't Yahweh know that there are others called God(s)??......

Yes or No??.....

And answer my question so that I would no if you and the egyptians who worshipped triad Gods are not the same.....

WHO IS YOUR GOD??.......

benalvino: Believing in other gods whether you worship or not makes you polytheist dont you get it? You believe in another god.

The bible says he will destroy other gods that didn't form the earth how is that childish? Didn't he say there was no other God formed beside him?

How can the mountains be god like you said? Is it because you are trying to take the deity of Christ.

again am asking if God will destroy other gods that didn't make the heavens and earth... Me and you and anything you call god... Me am a human not god.


"Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens."

Oboy!!!!...even God the Father knows there are other Gods.........that does not make him a polytheist....GOD himself calls us GOD......




I just don't know what your problem is....

Are you looking for customers who would go down or toe the polytheist path with you??.......

I have clearly announced that Jesus is not my God....and that my GOD is the Father alone........

You can't call me a polytheist because no other person is my GOD but one,the Father.....

and please answer my question.....

WHO IS YOUR GOD??

benalvino: You do realize that the bible says God will destroy other gods that didn't form the heaven and earth... Right? Are you saying he will destroy Jesus and all humans and angels as you say they are gods.

I know one of those books published by WT teaches that God will destroy other gods.

Oboy...

Have I not answered your question that I am not a polytheist??.........

Have I not??....

These your extra questions are just childish and time wasting.......

God won't destroy Jesus and the other good angels because they know they are not the one GOD and that they are loyal and subservient to the one GOD the Father......

Like I have said before.......

Jesus is not my GOD.....no other person called God is my God.......only the Father is my God...


Now may I ask you a question to find out if you're are not a polytheist......


Who is your GOD??.........

No run around the corner o....just give a straight scriptural answer......

Bidam: You also misquoted me, i never said resurrection is past.I said since Christ is resurrected we are seated with him in heavenly places,which of cos is in your bible except you have torn that part.

And when and how does the sitting occur....

Before one is ressurected or ??......

benalvino: If you believe in Jesus who is another god then it polytheist you can confirm it in your dictionary

Jesus is not my God.....

I repeat Jesus is not my GOD......

My God is but one the Father.....so I remain a strict monotheist....

Do you understand me??........

benalvino: verse where God call us God... I know he says there is no God beside him and he didn't form any God...

how are we god despite bible says any other gods are idol.

Please until I worship you,angels, and Jesus as my God is when they become false Gods...

Don't you get it??....

Angels are called elohim....but they are not my God.......

They are elohim by nature not by virtue of the fact that I worship them as my God....

benalvino: You have to wrestle the scriptures that calls Jesus God... And you don't know who Jesus even is so I dont think you can address it... As for what you believe Jesus never exist till he was born... Something you could defend

Is Jesus called the one GOD over us??.......

Please answer.......

Is Jesus the Father??.......

You would say No he isn't ......

Then I wonder why the fruitless arguments.......

I want you to open a scripture as clear as 1 corinthians 8:6 and show us that Jesus is the one GOD......

Please........

Enough is enough with this blind argument....

And the annoying part of it is you want to call others polytheist when you are a stunch one......

benalvino: ^^ my problem is their incisive view of Christ... One of then said before that since we all come from God we are gods... Like how snake give birth to snake... The problem is water, trees and the earth comes from God will you call them gods too?

Do we have to pray to someone that is not God?

The bible calls Jesus God of the world twice

Didn't God himself call us God??.......



And the bible calls satan too the God of the world......

Are you satisfied??...

benalvino: see how John 1:1 can adress that question for you

God calls you God too....

I don tire for ona o........

Did John 1:1 tell me Jesus is my GOD??........

May I ask you...

Who is your GOD??.......

benalvino: I have discussed with JWs like ijawkid, truthislight... And some that are not JWs like frosbel and come to realize that they dont know who Jesus is.

Ijaw kid will tell you he is not God that God cannot die...

When you show him John 1:1 ok he is a god like us that we are all gods. He will also claim that Jesus is an angel.

When you take him to asaiah Jesus is now God not like us but a lesser God to the father as he is the mighty God and the father is the almighty God. The problem here is that the father is also called the mighty God.

So since the trinitarians believe there is one God that operates in 3 distinct ways go along with the bible teaching that there is only one God compared to the polytheist of have Jesus as a god yet he is not a FALSE god... Jehovah says in asaiah 43:10 he says before him no god was formed... In that verse the bible made it clear to believe in a god other than God is a taboo... Frosbel ijawkid will claim they are not polytheist because they dont worship Jesus... But believe in more than one God is polytheism.

1 chronicles 16:26 says all the gods of the nations are idols... Anytime the bible talks about other gods it is putting them in bad light calling idols. In fact the only thing the bible called god is Satan and that is figurative... Satan is not a god but the bible call him god of the world. Every one knows that Jehovah is the God of the world not satan.

the question is are we going to be guilty of worshipping a god as it says Jesus will be worshipped along side the father?

And he is still deluded as usual......

Wasn't david worshipped,adored and revered alongside Yahweh??....

Why can't you guys grow some simple sense and abandon the trinity.....

I believe in the only one God the Father who is my God...

The aLl other Gods are not my God...

Now this is where you don't get to understand me and the Jw's.....

Many can be called God(s).......angels,man,Jesus,mountains, etc....

But to us there is but one GOD.....the Father...

The Father is my God.....Jesus is not my God....so I remain a monotheist...

You on the other hand call Jesus your God,call the Father your God and also call the holy spirit your God....


1 Corinthians 8:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father,
from whom all things came and for whom we
live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ,
through whom all things came and through
whom we live.


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I bet you and other trinitarians are not part of the US mentioned in this verse.....

Don't you dare compare me with you false polytheists.......

shdemidemi: when he appeared by the burning bush, we were told. when He sent angels we were told, this time, He was 'visible seen'(according to our definition).

no one can see God and live,neither has any man seen God,,....


God has servants including his son whom he sends to represent him.,,,,


i repeat and the scriptures repeat,no man has seen God at anytime....

shdemidemi: you are right, the bible did not tell us how He looked. But, we were told He appeared. From our definition of appear, it is impossible to appear without been seen visibly. You and I know who the image of the invisible God is, don't we?

are you not also an image of the invisible God

my problem is i still dont know where you are heading to...

it is obvious that no one,i repeatno one has seen the 1 God who is the Father...

are you insisting ,Yahweh himself,Jesus,all the prophets and the apostles lied,....

the person abraham saw was Gods representative(an angel).....


john 6:46


New International Version (©2011)
No one has seen the Father [/b]except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.


GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
[b]I'm saying that no one has seen the Father. Only the one who is from God has seen the Father.



those who said they saw God face to face saw Gods representatives.....

CHIKENAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bidam: I think you need your brain examined. These accusations against me are false and foolish. Give us proof where i said there is no resurrection of the dead and spirits are enjoying heavenly bliss or forever remain silent in this forum.My argument in this forum has always been that Christ is risen from the dead and has become the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.Like i told frosbel and am telling you block head now, The Bible clearly teaches two resurrections, one for the saved and one for the damned (John 5:29; Revelation 20:4-6; Revelation 11-15). It might do you some good to go study, rather than come here spewing thrash.Typical Ad hominem that should not be replied when ijawkid started it in the first place. SMH!!!

If our heads are block heads then yours must be olumo rock.....

Which ever way you try to analyze ressurection it completely destroys your teaching........

Ressurection is ressurection........

One has to be totally dead and not alive somewhere to experience ressurection.......

U have been debunked on this hell fire/immortality of the soul thrash before...and you would be debunked again....until you abandon the teaching...
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benalvino: stay on topic... correct your entourage... if you want to discuss go back there.

Go back to where??....

Your thread which you could not defend to the end.....

You lacked complete explanations to what you presently understand,but pride won't let you learn...or would I say the pagan trinity has blind folded you....

If you could recall from_guerira abandoned you that thread to wallow in your pagan teaching when he got you to answer that Jesus isn't the Father and so destroys the trinity....

The reason why I remained on that thread for that long was to define what Jesus being the beginning of Gods creation means....

But as it did end you stuck to the trinity which has no place in the scriptures......


So you can keep worshipping 3 Gods or rather keep calling 3 persons your God....

I stick to the Father been the ONE GOD to us...I bet you and trinitarians aren't amongst the us that has one GOD that is the God and Father of Jesus and of all of us......

Keep worshipping 3 Gods....

shdemidemi: Don't play the defence, it was just a question that needs a simple answer. I ask again, did they tell you the son is the father in the Godhead?

Please who or what ever taught about persons being in a Godhead??......

Eh??.......

You are still clinging to your false understanding of God head....

and may I answer your question::

You guys by your incoherent comments have been mistaking or rather making Jesus the Father....

If Jesus isn't the Father then why believe in the trinity??.....

Are you not all sick??.....

I ask again.....

shdemidemi: thanks for derailing this thread....

Do Trinitarians say Jesus is the father in the Godhead in the first place?

If Jesus is not the Father and you know it then why argue that 3 persons make up the one GOD instead of Just one the Father??...

Why the madness??!!!!!

Why

Are u people not sick??

shdemidemi: ^^^ the way they flee after opening threads is alarming, imagine, frosbel can't be located on his own thread.

See chief pilot dey open mouth....

I can see you struggling with the truth here..»»»»

New International Version
(©2011)
No one has seen the Father
except the one who is from God;
only he has seen the Father.


Keep fighting hard....