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Henceforth, no more name calling or insulting names to fellow forum members in this section. If a member offends you, address him or her in a civil manner while making your case. Or you report the member in appropriate thread (complaint thread). If you retaliate by insulting the member back, both of you will get ban.

This is a forum rule that has been neglected for so long. But it has come to an end.

By the way, any post or thread from any forum member in this section to promote hatred against any tribe, the poster or member that created or posted such tribal provocative post or thread will be dealt with.

That you are fighting for secession doesn't mean you must insult a tribe to be heard. Fight for your cause, but be civil about it.

Since some us can no longer address their fellow forum members as human beings, you either learn it or face 7-day compulsory leave, suspension or whatever you want to call it, depending on how nuisance the member has become.

No one has been banned yet for this. But don't call me bluff, because you wont like your profile status when you do so.

Ikenna.

Obiagu1: Over to you.

Put him in a cage for a while.

https://www.nairaland.com/1280153/what-nigeria-ss-se-unite/5#15583409

Thread treated.

Ikenna

bioye: Guys, I really feel at home here. Yep, I'm definitely eager to learn and I promise to keep the house posted with 'my progress'. Ikenna, apologies. I had to run some errands and I'm just getting to relax now. I'll buzz you and send the info you requested. Hopefully, we can hook up sooner rather than later. Many thanks!

Ok. But i may need to scan your Lion with PP2000 as well, incase there are more faulty injection sensors/components other than the CTS am suspecting.

Ikenna

FRENCH CAR FESTIVAL 2012 PERTH AUSTRALIA


http://smg.photobucket.com/user/zykyra/library/French%20Car%20Festival%202012%20Perth%20Australia?sort=4&page=1#/user/zykyra/library/French%20Car%20Festival%202012%20Perth%20Australia?sort=4&page=1&_suid=1367769520702041574029489513575

Both Classic and modern. Lovely!

Ikenna.

princemedico: Ikenna what happened with the Nairaland car day, no one is talking about it again. I was imagining how it is going to look like, it will be wonderful and much fun to bring Nairalander together with such occasion. It is still possible.
Check these out though not properly organised as I expected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ubdEw0rDA34


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGC79K5HjWk[url][/url]

Burnout! This is one thing i love about powerful RWD. So much potentials and fun to pull.


But, its not how i was planning it to be. We need a quiet place for quiet gathering to enjoy ourselves, not pulling stunts. Something like the Ausrtalian French Car Festival 2012. Find the link below:

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/zykyra/library/French%20Car%20Festival%202012%20Perth%20Australia#/user/zykyra/library/French%20Car%20Festival%202012%20Perth%20Australia?sort=4&page=1&_suid=136776845293002642757608450293


All we need is get an open/big field, line up our cars according to brands, open our bonnets and let the world feed their eyes! An item 7 would be organised as well (or everyone comes with his/her item 7/edibles), while discussion is going on, as we go round our cars. It will be fun, if we can pull this, just like one in the above link.

But then, its obvious that no field in Abuja can take Jap cars, no matter how big the field would be. It may have to be limited to brand(s).

Ikenna.

wisesystem: Been following ur posts and must say its really sad what our brodas on the road sides and garages have done to ur car. Well,the bright side is in the obvious fact that u are intent on not repeating those mistakes and are eager to learn... hence ur participation on this thread. Wish u the best in search for a new life for ur lion & good thing u ve hooked up with Ikenna da Lion King. Kindly update the house on ur the progress with ur lion so we all can learn or add to our existing knowledge. Av observed that most house members dont update the house on how well they were served by useful tips got from the thread which would otherwise have served others.

@ Ikenna, kindly indulge us with the technicalities involved with Bioye's Lion so we can learn. Hard to imagine a CTS fault can degenerate this bad!

To the best of my knowledge, CTS is the only injection sensor that reports to ECU the Coolant temperature. So, for him to be getting "Coolant Temperature too high", thats the only sensor i could think of for now.

A cold engine needs excess fuel to be able to start and run. The CTS makes that happen. When you switch on the ignition, the CTS will signal to ECU the temperature of the coolant. Then the ECU will use the signal/vlues it receives from the CTS to determine amount of fuel the injectors spray into the combustion chambers via intake valves. If the signal it receives from CTS is 3 volts, the CTS will command the injectors to spray in excess fuel for the engine to be able to start. 3 volts value from CTS means engine is coolant/engine is cold. As the engine is running, the coolant is getting warm and hotter quickly, made possible by Thermostat. As it coolant gets hot, the CTS volts value reduces upto 1 volts or a little less than 1 volt. At such value, the ECU will reduce the amount of fuel the injectors spray in (closed loop). Thats why when you remove and run your engine without thermostat, your CTS will always be reporting or sending high volt values to the engine ECU, making the ECU to be commanding injectors to be spraying in excess fuel. ECU works or manages the engine with signals it receives from various injection (and ignition) sensors/components.

Oxygen sensor comes in to perform its function when CTS must have done its part when engine its started for the first few minutes of engine running. Oxygen sensor has to heat first before it can work. Thats why the universal 02 sensor has heater, while the non-universal o2 sensor is mounted closer or on exhaust manifold for it to heat faster. So, while oxygen sensor is heating, the CTS is taking care of the required fuel the engine needs at every coolant temperature, before the o2 comes in to function. The functions of other fuel consumption controlled sensors (MAF/AFM/MAP, IAT, etc) are left out in the above explanations.

To understand me better, locate your CTS (its a sensor with green plastic connector near Thermostat housing), pull out the connector, start the engine, go the tail of your car and see how black the smoke your exhaust will be emitting.



@ bioye,

Am yet to get your mail (if you have sent it). You call reach me on my mobile phone too: 08052811236. You need to manually test the CTS before rulling it out or calling it the culprit ( even though i suspect it). Unfortunately, the CTS will need to be tested when engine is still cold. If you think you can do the testing yurself, let me know so that i can guide you. But first, you need get a DMM and locate the sensor on the engine. Pics will help a lot here.

Ikenna.

bioye: Thank you Ikenna for the quick response. Guess what, I was already planning on saving 150k for a new engine. Though I was also thinking that as long as I rely on these 'wack' 'mechanics', I would end up in the same situation.

Yep. I stay in Abuja - Apo Legislative Quarters. I believe by DMM, you mean Digital Multimeter. I don't own one and guess I have to learn to use it. Online, I see I can get it for about $20. Can you recommend where to get one in Abuja and how much?

How do I confirm the extent of havoc the mechanic has wrecked on the car? Are there physical inspections I can carry out or do I need to run a diagnostic tool on the engine? Though the dashboard shows enough oil, when I gauged the oil it was too low. Should I top the oil or carry out certain checks first?

Ikenna, would you be willing to look at the car? That's if I can get the car into a drivable state first without causing more harm. Thanks man.

Yes, by DMM, I meant Digital MultiMeter. You can get it as cheap as N250 or N600. But we have the one of 1k, 2k and 5k. But the N250 & N600 can check the CTS resistance and volts values for you, but they cant test the oxygen sensor, since they lack milivolts function. The 2k and 5k DMM have that feature.

Of course, I would like to come and check your car. Your place is not even far from mine. But am at Maitama right now. PM me your address or phone number, so that we can arrange our meet.

If the oil level is very, below the minimum level on the dipstick, top it up to the normal level and see if low oil pressure warning sign will pop up again. Its always better to pay more attention to manual guage than the electric one. Sensors are not reliable.

Ikenna.

bioye: Hi guys. I'm honoured to be a member of this cliche. I own a 406 - 2.0L (136bhp) - EW10J4 - R6F. Sadly after serious abuse by my last mechanic some days ago, the car is now in a virtually undrive-able state. I'm sure if the car was owned by car enthusiasts like you guys, it would the back on the road with minimal effort.

Anyways, before the last trip to the mechanic, the car was fine except that it was emitting thick black smoke and whenever I switch on the AC, I get the message "engine coolant temperature too high" after a few minutes. I had earlier gotten advice from various quarters to:
1. get a new engine
2. buy a half engine
3. change the catolic sensor (which I now believe to be the catalytic converter)

However, this last mechanic assured me that he would ring the engine(20k), change the top gasket(5k) and replace the oil and all the problems would disappear. He said if I brought the car in the morning, it would be ready in the evening. However, the car wasn't ready until 5 days later.

When I tested the car, the exhaust was still emitting thick black smoke. After driving for a few minutes (without the AC), I started getting the message "Oil pressure too low" and then "Engine coolant temperature too high" and to STOP. Then the gears became very hard and I had to use excess force to switch gears. I had to stop the car 3 times before I got home.

I would love to enjoy my Peugeot the way you guys do. I am tired of mechanic headaches. I know nothing about cars and I need help! Thank you in advance.

Na wa o! See how a 4k issue has landed you in nightmares.

The "engine coolant too high" is a symptom of faulty CTS (Coolant Temperaturr sensor), most of the times. The CTS of EW10 cost 4k here in Abuja. Thats probably the cause of the thick black smoke you have been experiencing, which have nothing to do with the engine. Its an engine management issue (injection issue), not the engine. Changing the rings and head gasket was a complete waste of money. How are you sure the rings and head gasket he removed were not better than the fake (obviously) he put in? Becsuse since he made the purchase himself, he would have bought the low quality ones.

About the "Oil pressure too low" thing, are you sure he used the genuine oil filter when he replaced the old one? Hope he didnt tamper with the oil pump while replacing the rings and other stuffs? If he did, was it a genuine one?

Do you stay in Abuja? Can you test the CTS with DMM yourself?

Ikenna.

dayokanu: Ikenna

I hope Ikenna can notice how the names of the Nigerian tribes are written and dish out the stipulated bans

https://www.nairaland.com/1279804/dayokanu-e-x-p-o-s-e-d#15566808

Has been taken care of.

Ikenna.

yanmata: Morning Ikenna,

I have started my 407 and observed the tempertures of both the upper and lower horses and they both seems to worked very well as described by you. Intact it took the engine about 10mins before the fan begins to rotate at speed 1 while my temp gauge remain at 90.

Meanwhile b4 I switch off the car the readings from dash shows 39mpg and 12mpg respectively. No traces of black smoke from the exhust n no missing or hesitating to start or jerking of any type at all.

These are my submissions Ikenna.

Good morning,

Ok. Above test rules out your t-stat and fans connection. The 39mpg and 12mpg were the last readings recorded the last time you drove the car, not this morning consumption. You will need to wipe off the recorded one to get new ones. To do that, press and hold the wiper switch for some seconds. But note that the car has do be in motion, moving more than 20 km/h for the BSI to read your fuel consumption.

You still need to test the CTS to be sure its still sending the correct value to the ECU. You need to test the resistance and volts values of the sensor to rule it out.

You may have to consider replacing the throttle body, since its an injection component. It should have effect on the fuel consumption when faulty. What was the result when it was scanned with PP2000? Permanent or intermittent fault?

Ikenna

emychukwu: Fuel hose replaced...but pls y do my engine go down or vibrate each time I on d ac...wot number is d rpm pin supposed to be wit ac and without ac. Thanks as I await ans

I dont know the engine in your 306 and am not sure i would know how the ignition system works. But i will explain mine to you.

Now, the ignition system/timing of my ZN3J (V6 engine in my 505) is electronically controlled or adjusted. The Ignition system is Bosch LH2-2 system, contolled by a calculator, otherwise known as Ignition ECU that works via signals it receives from various sensors such as 2 detonation/knock sensors, no. 1 cylinder sensor, CKP, IAC, CTS, Throttle switch and Injection ECU.

Now, the ignition system, the Bosch LH2-2, has 128 pre-programmed settings/MAP. My point is, the system is pre-programmed such that no matter the load on the engine, it will always re-adjust and maintain 750 rpm at idle. Whether the A/C is on or not.

Now, Peugeot knock sensor acts like a microphone. Once it detects any knock, detonation or pinging, it will slow the timing, to prevent engine damage. So, if your spark plug is misfiring, the knock sensor will sense it and rretard time. Any formvof unwanted noise coming from the cylinder bank will make the knock sensor do its job.

Again, when ignition ECU doesnt receive adequate/required values or sigbals from the sensors, it will throw off the timing and your rpm will drop, making the engine to be shaking. My ZN3J was having such issue before. I traced the problem to the CTS connector. It was corroded and was sending incomplete value/signal to the Ignition ECU. But as soon as i cleaned the connector and plugged it back, the rpm never dropped again below 750 rpm and the engine stopped shaking while AC is on.

So, i would advice you start by cleaning all the wiring connectors you can lay your eyes on in the engine bay, including the ECU connectors. Pull them out, check for corrosion, clean and plug back. You will be surprised how some issues will get fixed when you finished cleaning them. Its a typical peugeot issue: Electrics. Especially, their wiring connectors.

Also, clean the IAC (Idle Air Control Valve)with carburettor cleaner. Allow it to dry, lubricate the inside and mount it back. When IAC becomes sticky with oil residue from crankcase, it will give you a similar issue. In fact, most times, its the culprit to issue like this.


Goodluck.

Ikenna.

emychukwu: Like dey have some selected people dat dey reply on dis thread..jisi ike

Lol! Sorry o! I was busy when i saw your quey. I intended to reply your post when i would be less busy, but i forgot. Will try my best.

Ikenna.

yanmata: How do I test these values as am not an autotech guy

There is a single fan than turns on only at intervals...

Don't think the thermostat is tempered with coz I cleared the car from port myself n drove it down to Abuja. No mechanic has touch d car apart from my first service.

hope I answered ur queries.

Also, about the CTS, its also better to test it with DMM when the engine is still cold. Otherwise, i would have asked you bring the car to my place for me to do it for you, since you stay in Abuja too. But if you still want to come, send me a mail so that i direct you.

Ikenna

yanmata: How do I test these values as am not an autotech guy

There is a single fan than turns on only at intervals...

Don't think the thermostat is tempered with coz I cleared the car from port myself n drove it down to Abuja. No mechanic has touch d car apart from my first service.

hope I answered ur queries.

Well, your thermostat should still be there. But you need to test to know if the t-stat has not failed stuck open. Will come to that later.

According to the owner's manual, average fuel consumption of 406 with EW12 engine is:

Saloon,Manual transmission:
Town/city: 22 mpg (12.8 L/100km).
Highway: 43.5 mpg (6.5 L/km)


SW Manual transmission:
Town/city: 22 mpg(12.8 L/100km)
Highway: 40.4 mpg (6.7 L/100km)




To test the thermostat, open the bonnet in the morning when the engine is cold. Then start the car, come back to the bonnet. You will see 2 big hoses attached to radiator that go to engine (Thermostat housing). One will be on top, while the other will be under the other. After 2 mins of engine at idle, touch the house on top, it should be warm. Then touch the one under and it should be cold. Keeping touching that hose under every min. After about 7 mins or so (when the tempearture guage in the instrument cluster is rising towards 90 degree celcius), the hose under will gradually start getting warm. Thats when the thermostat is opening. At that time, the upper hose will be very hot. Then the lower hose will later get hot too. So if the upper and lower hoses get warm and hot at the same time at cold start, then the thermostat is either absent or failed (stuck open)

Ikenna.

yanmata: He said its d throtle don't one if its d motorised. But 1 think I know about the throtle of this is that it does not d conventional throthle...iys all electrical.

As for d scanner used.the scanner has the pug n citron logo attached to a laptop.

Yes, the throttle body of the of EW12 is electrically contolled via sensors & ECU, just like the ES9J4S.

From your description of the scanner, yes its the PP2000 (Diagbox).

Can you manually test your CTS values with DMM? Its best tested when engine is cold in the morning, before first start.

You still havent said anything about the thermostat i asked earlier. What about your radiator fan? How does it operate? When does it start spinning and when does it go off?

Ikenna.

nony30: pics.Tanks

http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103845&p=1150374#post1150374




Ikenna.

nony30: hey Ikenna,nice one can I have a look at ur 406 V6?

You mean pics or live?

Ikenna.

yanmata: @ikenna, the pug runs on ew12. The checked engine is on. The car is scanned by a chap @asd motors...the culprit they said is the throttle n won't pose any issue. No black smoke. Two abs sensors are said to be bad....the three are well inflated as its factory specified type.

By throttle, you mean Motorised throttle body?

Did the ASD motors guy scan the car with PP2000 or just with unversal scanner?

Ikenna.

https://www.nairaland.com/1113049/ikenna-peugeot-matter

Ikenna.

yanmata: @ikenna n others, I own a pug 407. I have no issues with the car except one major issue. The issue is, the average fuel consuption from the dash 32mpg on highway n 11mpg in town..

What could be d major difference in fuel consuption In practical terms, I observed on stationay position with the ac put on, the fuel comsuption is something else. However, on highway, it consumes normal at an average of 10lts/100km which to me is on the average.

What could be the reason for this anomaly? Thx guys.

Even your 10 L/100km or 32mpg on highway is not normal.

I got 39 mpg (about 7 L/100km) 3 days ago on an expressway in Abuja in my D9 V6, with the AC on. So if my V6 can get more mpg than yours (which i believe is I4), then something must be wrong. Even in the city, last time i checked, i was getting 22mpg with the D9 v6, with the AC on.

If your check engine light is not on when engine is running, something is still wrong. Hope your brake is not binding? Hope you havent removed the cooling system thermostat? Hope your tyre(s) is not underinflated?

What engine is it, anyway?

Ikenna.

Please, post your next query in the link below please:

https://www.nairaland.com/1003701/peugeot-thread-peugeot-community/20#1003701.646


Ikenna.

megastu: Ikenna, what is your take about Peugeot 407 SW v6?

Please, note that Peugeot 407 also got V6 Diesel engine. So, it depends on which you want to know : petrol v6 or diesel v6?

The 407 petrol v6 has the same v6 engine, ES9J4S, in my 406 V6. Trust me, you will love it! Th engine was produced by Peugeot and Renault and was refined by Porsche. Trust me, when you push the car hard on expressway, you will feel in are in a Porsche, because it sounds and pulls like one. In a few words, the engine was co-produced by Renault, Peugeot and Porsche. It develops maximum 210 hp.

But, note that it has 4 oxygen sensors and 4 catalytic converters (2 pre-cats and 2 main cats under the car). Make sure you use good fuel so that none of the above components fail sooner than you expect. Also, the engine comes with Sagem coil packs (6 of them) as factory which dont last. Owners do change them to the durable brand, Delphi. Driving with a failed coil pack for a longtime would kill oxygen sensor(s) of the bank the coil pack failed. And if still continued to be used, will kill the catalytic converter(s) on the bank with failed oxygen sensor(s). So be careful where you buy fuel with such a car and replace any coil pack that fails immediately. Its always better to replace the 6 with the durable brand, Delphi, at the same time. Unfortunate thing is that to get to the coil packs or spark plugs on the bank 2, you will have to remove the intake manifold to get to them, though,not a big deal, as long as the intake manifold gasket/seal is available.

Knowing the condition of the timing belt, its tensioner and 3 rollers is a must. If not sure of when last it was changed, replaced immediately. Because you do not want that belt to break on you.

On a good note, the mpg of that engine is outstanding. Three days ago, i was driving my 406 v6 on an Abuja expressway, i checked the mpg and saw i was getting 39.5 mpg on a very high speed. Very impressive!

About 407 SW, i dont know much about the Lion, but i do know it has more toys than 406. As for handling, i have no idea, since i have never driving one.

Ikenna.

automaticcarz: You just banned me again and I find it funny Mr. dictator Saddam Hussein (Afam). I can't believe you ban me. These tribal warlords who have no problem when one of their kinsmen from SE insulted my family in which I responded in kind by showing him he did not have monopoly to verbal gymnastic, so I tongue lashed him and you all banned me for that. This Afam boy find it problematic to ban the person who insulted my family first. You did not have problem with my family being insulted here untill I respond few hours later. The person who insulted my family walks free and I got ban. This says a lot about Seun and the dictators you put here as moderators.

You can continue to ban me and I will open another one to respond to you and your boys. Thank God you have no power to hold my salaries, you would have done worse than what you did. Go ahead and ban me again.

Afam, you are like a parent who just watched his son lost a fight to his classmate and decided that since your son got the beating of his life you should intervene by beating up the other boy.

Keep bringing up your multiple usernames while i deal with them. Let see who gets tired.

Yesterday, i banned only two members in Politics section for insulting each other parents at 10:45 pm & 10:46pm. The thread in question is :

www.nairaland.com/1276171/perpetrators-corruption-organised-labour-members-jonathan#15512433

If i were you, i would serve my ban quietly. That you are a new member is not an excuse, because you couldnt have been registered if you havent agreed to the forum rules, i believe. Besides, any old member would re-register with another username and claim to be new in the forum.

Ikenna.

daomi: the engine smokes and burn eng
ine oil.

And because of this you want to convert your car from V6 to I4? What made you think the I4 engine wont end up like the v6 engine in the car when you havent dealt with what caused the v6 engine to become oil burner and gas guzzler? If I may ask, how is your radiator fan operating? Did you remove your cooling system thermostat at some point? Whats the state of the engine injection system? Has it been emitting black smoke for a long time until the excessive fueling washed down the cylinders ( pistons, rings and crankshaft bearings) and the engine started burning oil and started to emit blue smoke too? Do you use water only instead coolant (premixed or undiluted to be mixed with water) in the cooling system? Do you think if all the above has been going on in that car, that swapping in I4 engine will change anything? Trust me, give it few months, the I4 will start consuming fuel more than the v6 is doing now.

By the way, did you say your mechanic said you only need to swap in an I4 engine, with its gearbox and drive shafts for the conversion to be completed? What a clown that mechanic must be!

To convert v6 to I4, you must also swap in the complete I4 engine ECU and engine wiring harness. Note that there will be some modifications for the ECU to work (like the ECU power source: the relays, ground source, tachometer connection, etc). Also, the v6 radiator may have to be removed and I4 radiator installed. The themostat housing location may differ which will affect the connections of the upper and lower radiator hoses. Also, the engine mounts will have to be changed to I4. The I4 instrument cluster will have to be swapped in, since the v6 tachometer will be giving wrong rpm with I4 engine. The V6 fuel pump may differ from I4 pump, since both may have different factory PSI for the pressure to be enough or adequate for the injectors to do their job. If that is the case, you may need to replace the v6 fuel pump to I4 pump, and may have to change the fuel tank to I4 tank, if the I4 fuel pump doesnt fit into the v6 tank.

If you have made up your mind to do that conversion against all odds, take that car to someone else to do for you, since your present mechanic has no clue what it will take to convert that car to I4 engine.

Ikenna.