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raumdeuter:
Rio without Vidic

Vidic was injured from Matchday 5-16
1 vs Liverpool
3 vs Spurs
2 vs Stoke
2 vs Chelsea
1 vs Arsenal
2 vs Villa
1 vs Norwich
1 vs QPR
3 vs Reading
2 vs Citeh
Matchday 19 3 vs Newcastle
Matchday 32 2 goals vs City
Matchday 35 1 vs Arsenal

Note I did not credit Rio for the goals conceded in the 5-5 vs Brom because he came in as a sub
Note: The teams in bold where Rio conceded 4 goals without Vidic ended up relegating

Summary
Rio without Vidic conceded 24 goals in 27 games
Vidic without Rio conceded 5 goals in 19 games

Do you want me to continue twisting the dagger?

So Vidic missed games against.....

Liverpool
Spurs
Chelsea
Arsenal x 2
City x 2

There’s a reason Rio’s fellow professional footballers handed him the PFA slot & no one remembered Vidic.

rationalmind:
This illimitable guy fit dayo well.

But how do you guys remember all the details of these matches. I watched most of the games but I no longer have a vivid recollection of them.

Buy the season review DVD, all the goals would stick to your mind like the national anthem.

Expert17:
You are comparing Vidic and Ferdinard partnership to Ferdinard and Evans

Show us Vidic stat with Rio and without Rio in 2010/2011

No worry.

Let him tie himself with a rope.

raumdeuter:
We are getting there, We need to agree on baselines first

We will look at Goals conceded with Rio-without Vidic vs With Vidic-without Rio

Are you satsfied with these metrics?

100% satisfaction.

raumdeuter:
Vidic without Rio conceded
Matchday 1 vs Everton 1 goal
Matchday 2 vs Fulham 2 goals
Matchday 18 vs Swansea 1 goal
Matchday 36 vs Chelsea 1 goal

Total Vidic without Rio conceded 5 goals the entire season

Kindly verify and confirm before we move ahead sir at this points its too late to run away

Expert17 you sef join body, Make I show you wetin Ronaldo like me take pass Moratas like una two

My source transfermarkt

I don’t know what you would conclude when you realize Vidic was absent in 7 games out of 12 against the top 7.

The fact that Vidic even conceded goals against Everton, Fulham & Swansea tells me he’s nothing without Rio.

So proceed with your stats.

raumdeuter:
We are getting there, We need to agree on baselines first

We will look at Goals conceded with Rio-without Vidic vs With Vidic-without Rio

That’s the one of the stats we need to look at - not your bogus selective stat.

We will also look at the quality of opposition Rio faced alone vs the ones Vidic faced.

A game at Anfield Rio played in without Vidic is different from a game at Old Trafford Vidic played without Rio against QPR.

raumdeuter:
Are you ready for some quick Maths on this 2012/13 season?

Games Vidic played in the league 19, 14 goals conceded
Games Rio played in the league 28, 33 goals conceded

You can very these numbers from transfermarkt Before we go ahead

In the games Vidic played, how many of them featured Rio?

Look at this fraudulent guy.

raumdeuter:
Is this the euphemism for carry along?

With Rio injured a lot, Vidic in 2010/2011, Was partnering any donkey available to win the league be it Smalling Evans or anyone.

if you go watch ball for stadium Ferguson fit call you to partner Vidic and clean sheet sure

One can say the same in 12/13.

Rio made more appearances than Vidic and even made PFA team of the season. United won the title with 6 or so games to spare.

Arsenal formed a guard of honor for United.

raumdeuter:
If Terry wasnt sleeping, he gets there before Nonda

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That was a back pass to the goalkeeper - why didn’t he catch it?

If De Gea or any other goalie fumbled that, the defender wouldn’t be blamed. If the goalie’s hand touched the ball then it ought to have been saved.

Ambrosio’s hand was too weak and I cannot remember anyone blaming Terry for that goal. Ambrosio got all the blame as he wasn’t even Chelsea’s first choice GK.

raumdeuter:
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See epilepsy in defence. Terry should be ashamed of himself

For a ball that didn’t cross the line but the referee gave.

That’s poor officiating. Nothing to do with Terry.

Just making things up to suit your agenda.

raumdeuter:
Vidic has a significant edge over Rio. The type of edge Ronaldo has over Morata

They complement each other.

Vidic is the attack bulldog, Rio is the luxury Rolls Royce that just cleans up the mess.

This is like saying Terry has a significant edge over Carvalho - it would be an abomination.

There’s always the aggressive type and the composed type in central defending.

This Raumdeuter guy has no shame.

Blaming Terry for Nonda’s goal, the goalkeeper should have saved that. He got a hand to it. A strong arm would have pushed that ball out of play.

raumdeuter:
This is Terry getting sodomized by Shabani Nonda
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This is vs Morientes in the 2004 CL semi running around aimlessly like a familiar spirit
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This is vs Luis Garcia in the 2005 CL semi finals which Chelsea lost. See Terry in Jersey 26 jumping like an epileptic patient
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This is vs Atletico in the 2014 CL semi final which Chelsea lost see Terry just clueless all over the place
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All in crucial CL semi finals which Chelsea lost all

This is a CL crucial match where Terry was marking his own man

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_5mLG5XIAASkAX.jpg

The only CL that Chelsea won, Terry was sent off in the semi finals and missed the final

The 2005 CL semis, the ball didn’t cross the line.

Poor officiating cost Chelsea again.

raumdeuter:
Give me 3 random seasons that Chelsea failed to win the CL when Terry was a starter and I will provide you evidence

10/11.

United mauled Chelsea home and away - I think Giggs provided all the assists in both legs.

Terry was not at fault for any of the 3 goals conceded.

Prove Terry was at fault in Stamford Bridge or at Old Trafford.

Tick tock, Raumdeuter.

raumdeuter:
Very convenient to pick the season they played 10men

Whose fault was that?

raumdeuter:
You already jumped from Morgan to Carvalho to Dellas, when will you include Semi Ajayi?

Dellas did it for his national team.

Any other excuse?

raumdeuter:
08/09 na 3 seasons right?

So it’s gone from any season to 3 seasons?

Moving the goalposts as we go along, yeah?

raumdeuter:
So these ones won the world cup for their Nation?

Or what did these people win that Vidic didnt?

Traianos Dellas did it for Greece in 2004.

Why can’t Vidic?

raumdeuter:
Give me 3 random seasons that Chelsea failed to win the CL when Terry was a starter and I will provide you evidence

Terry was a starter in the semis against Barca in 08/09.

So I ask, was it his fault that Chelsea lost the tie?

Leyqute:
I think I’ll agree with Dayo on Neville. He’s quite an intelligent player and he’s got a good cross but that about ends it.

He’s not strong defensively and he enjoyed playing with talented players. This doesn’t mean he’s horrible, it just says he’s not as huge as he seems to be.

A huge majority of football fans said Trent was the best right back in the world based on the merits of Neville that you just listed.

So what’s the difference?

Can Trent defend? No
Can he cross? Hell Yeah
Is he intelligent? Very very.

raumdeuter:
Very easy to defend against 10 men. Isnt it?

You said it was Terry’s fault.

Name his fault in the build up that led to Iniesta’s stunner.

raumdeuter:
Yeah he was supposed to carry Serbia to the treble like Giggs and Weah did to Wales and Liberia

Wes Morgan did it for Leicester.
Carvalho did it for Porto.

Why couldn’t Vidic do it for Serbia?

raumdeuter:
Without even the penalty miss, his atrocious defending at key moments always cost the team. Mention 3 random seasons Chelsea got eliminated from the CL and I will show you Terrys incompetence

08/09, Terry had nothing to do with the horrific officiating that gave Barcelona the win.

Terry had defended like a Lion throughout that game until Essien failed to clear a lose ball & Messi controller the ball and slipped in Iniesta with a beautiful assist. Iniesta simply destroyed Cech.


How was that Terry’s fault?

raumdeuter:
Baba leave that thing Rio na soap wey partner another soap called Terry
Vidic na him dey carry am

Just like Sallah and Mane were carrying Liverpool attack, In some years people will wan join Firmino to it as if he was any good

So how did Vidic fare without Rio in his national team?

raumdeuter:
Facts only. Terry was a very useless defender and Almos every Chelseas CL exit between 2003 and 2015 falls on the incompetence of Terry. I will say as much as 70% of Chelsea exits falls on Terry

The only CL semi and Finals he missed was when they won, when he did Chelsea a favour by getting red carded

Terry’s slip didn’t give United the victory in 2008, Anelka’s miss did if we are being pedantic.

Terry’s miss tied the shootout cos Ronaldo already missed in the first 5 for United.

raumdeuter:
Terry won the CL in the stands, Any fan in the stadium contributed the same to winning as Terry.

You said the only tournament they both played together.. That is the point you cant crash out when you dont qualify.

Can Ole lose the CL quarter finals this season?

Terry is one of the best defenders of his generation. As a human, he’s a cūnt with the whole Wayne Bridge shit.

However, as a footballer, he’s the best defender of his generation. His personal achievements speak for itself.

The reason England failed time and time again was because of the manager and his lack of balls to play what fits the team instead of bowing down to the media pressure.

Sven Goran-Eriksson played Scholes on the wing to accommodate Gerrard & Lampard(media darlings). Such idiotic decisions was why England couldn’t compete with their peers in Europe.

Expert17:
Scholes rejoined January 2013 and was among our players of the season.

45 years old Scholes wil still shit on our current midfielders.

That’s an indictment on the Glazers and SAF that enabled them.

The same Scholes wouldn’t get into the starting XI of Barcelona, Madrid or Bayern in 2012.

This is why we are here today. When other clubs did away with nostalgia and signed competent midfielders, Fergie saved money for the Glazers by bringing Scholes back.

United could have signed Ozil, Modric, etc back then to fill the gap. It’s no wonder everything went to shit immediately SAF left.

raumdeuter:
Forget na Vidic be Rios helper of destiny. When he partnered a fellow useless defender like Terry, we saw their effect for England. To qualify for Euro 2008 even turn WAEC

Terry is a useless defender? SMH!

Who’s this raumdeuter dude? He has the worst take on football in this thread.

CapitalCee:
Its very clear you are not serious.

I sent you a screenshot of what Avram Grant’s assistant said about the incident & you are telling me I am not serious.

What is with you people and the reluctance to admit you are wrong?

Expert17:
So Fergie signed a shitty GK to help fix our goalkeeping problem?

Back to 07/08 matter, Degea of 17/18 can't start ahead of VDS.

Because Fergie was deluded & wanted a more experienced GK instead of a youth. Fergie was offered Petr Cech but he refused citing he was too young to deal with the pressure.

Then Cech shocked him at Chelsea - this was why Fergie didn’t hesitate when De Gea(19 years) was offered to him. Fergie said he learnt a painful lesson after missing out on Cech.

CapitalCee:
Who told you that Drogba would have replaced Terry in the shootout line up?

Drogba missed his penalty in 2006 AFCON final against Egypt and Missed another one versus Zambia in 2012 Final, so what made you think he will score VDS if he had taken the penalty?

Terry replaced Drogba in the shootout.

It was well documented that Drogba had been pencilled down as the last taker in the first 5 takers.

Terry took his place cos he wanted all the glory and slipped.

Drogba took it in 11/12 in a similar circumstance and he ruined Neuer. VDS would have been sent back to Amsterdam from Moscow.

Expert17:
A Gk that commands his area.

Good at Set pieces (PK included).

Who covered his ass at Fulham and Ajax?

He was shit at Fulham & he was great at Ajax.

Before you chart the discourse into a different territory. The question(to begin with) was if any player in the current squad would get a start in 07/08 United team.

I don’t know why you are mentioning Fulham and Ajax.