European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 12:00am On Feb 05, 2021 |
patrickmuf: But when you were on about the number of players City have signed you didn't remember that not all are world class abi?
The more you write, the more you shoot yourself except that you have refused to die...If only it wasn't literal, we'd be safe from reading a whole lot of contradictions...#Contrad Moore And how many games has Ake played for City? I think some of you don’t engage your brain gear before typing. When City buy mediocre players, they sit on the bench. When United buy mediocre players, they start all their games. Evidence?
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 11:56pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
nitrogen: Chelsea is an entity. Chelsea indirectly owes the banks that gave Abra the loan. What you don't know is that Chelsea assets were used as collaterals for the loan.
Anyway, now you agree that Chelsea owes its owner 1.1 billion, right? I thought you said they don't have any debt in their books? Chelsea do not owe the banks, Chelsea owe Abramovich. I knew you would brain fart as soon as I prod you further. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 11:54pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
nitrogen: How come Chelsea is owing 1.1 billion, check their books now. It's there oga! FYI, Chelsea spent 935m Euros on transfers since 2013, that's less than what Utd spent in the same period. Who is Chelsea owing? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 11:51pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
nitrogen: Lol, Snachez that Guardiola and City wanted to sign? The wages put City off, but they recognised the fact that he was one of the best in the league at that time.
Guardiola wanted to sign Fred too o, shey you remember? Guardiola and City signed Nathan Ake, he must be world class.  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 11:50pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
nitrogen: Lol, tell me why Chelsea has over 1.1 billion debt in its books. Greek gift from Abra? Also, can you tell me if Utd has not spent up to 1 billion pounds in the club since 2008?
Why do you have problems with how much they take out? What matters is how much they've invested in the team, and the world can actually see that they have spent over 1 billion in the last 10 years, except you, a confused fan. Chelsea owe Abramovic. The business owes its owner. The Glazers owe the banks.  I can totally understand why this is complex to you.  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 11:48pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
nitrogen: If an owner pumps money into a club, then it should be equity not debt, what’s the point of putting in debt and making the club owes a lot of money to the owners and pay high interests (above market rate). Check the article below, Chelsea is owning one of Abramovichs companies over 1 billion pounds. Money borrowed by Abra and on-lent to the club.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chelsea-wages-up-to-244m-as-chelsea-s-debt-to-abramovich-grows-to-1-13bn-v365wf8zb You have zero knowledge of what you are talking about. https://www.ft.com/content/5bf8da7c-f574-11de-90ab-00144feab49aI said Chelsea’s owner cleared their debt and you are saying he puts them in more debt. Are you inebriated or what has gotten into you? You want to debate football finance with your morgue temperature IQ? nitrogen: Infact, the table below highlights debts owed by Epl clubs as of November 2020. If you don’t know something, just ask! Roman owns Chelsea. He made them debt free while your owners at Old Trafford are piling more debt. £800 debt since 2005 still stands at £500m debt while spending more than £1 billion to service the debt. Those are good owners according to you? nitrogen: Again, back to the point, City and Utd have spent almost the same amount in the last 10 years, but then City has been better because they snapped up a very good manager. Your argument that City spent more on quality players is BS, players signed by City were average performers, in fact at some point under Mou, Utd bought players of the year in the Serie A, Bundesliga etc. Your morgue temperature IQ is getting in the way of logical reasoning. I asked you to debate how much the clubs have spent per season under their respective owners. United from 2005, City from 2008. Cutting it down to the last 10 years already tells me you are a fraud trying to paint a narrative that is false to suit your agenda. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 11:38pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
Jodera: For your info, I'm not comparing striker for striker. It's just forward line comparisons.
Sanchez was still a great pl star when man u signed him. It doesn't change the fact he was a bargain buy then.
Like shaw was promising when he was at Southampton. He was more promising than Robertson at same age. And Shaw was class before his injury. If you've forgotten, I've not.
Shaw was bought for the full back position. He got a serious injury that's why man u reverted back to 33yr olds. Dalot was also bought for the full back role.
Also, why will man u buy an out and out winger, wen Rashford and martial was Manning that role those years. Also, someone will think a certain DI MARIA and DEPAY wasn't signed post saf. Lol Don’t rewrite history. Sanchez had seen better days by the time he joined Man Utd. The same Sanchez is at Inter now under Conte. I am sure he’s won 2 golden boots there since he moved to Italy. Luke Shaw is shit. I can never rate a player that has 8 appearances for England at the age of 25. How many England caps did Rooney have at 25? They both joined United in their teens. Rashford/Martial are wingers or pretending to be wingers? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 11:28pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
patrickmuf: In your argument against Ole, you refused to entertain other factors that might have affected his performance and tonight, just before ai brought Ole up, you argued as if it was all down to the Glazers and now, in a bid to find soft landing you want me to accept the both parties are at fault?
Go and apologize to Alabi and afterwards, Nitroge.n... It’s like you have wax in your ears. With a defence unit of Valencia, Smalling, Jones, Young, Jose won 3 trophies - under the same owners. With a much improved defence unit of Wan Bissaka, Maguire, Lindelof and Shaw, Ole can’t even win a semifinal tie and you are opining Ole isn’t at fault? Get a drug test done immediately, someone close to you is doping your water or food. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 11:26pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
patrickmuf: You have taken two extreme positions such that there's no meeting point... Even if the Glazers sign the right players, there’s no guarantee Ole would win with them. However, the problem is already compounded with the fact that the Glazers don’t sign the right players. You want to win the league with a left back that has 10 assists in 7 seasons when Trent of Liverpool had 13 assists in one season. SMH! |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 11:19pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
patrickmuf: He should be consistent, you can't blame Ole and at the same time blame the Glazers...If the Glazers have not signed players good enough to win the league, why blame Ole when he fails to win the leahue? This is embarrassing. So two things can’t be wrong at the same time. It has to be one or the other? Father Lord, who are these people? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 11:18pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
Jodera: As in... First time I'm hearing that.
A team that signed
Lukaku(had higher prospect than mane) Shaw (had higher prospect than Robertson) Pogba(had higher prospect than wijnaldum) Sanchez (had higher prospect than salah) Mkhi(had higher prospect than fabinho) This whole list is embarrassing. So Mane is a striker now? Shaw has no prospect. He was 18 when United signed him from Southampton. He had injury and he’s been riding on the sympathy wave ever since. Pogba is world class - United provided no support for him. They want him to play AM, CM, DM all on his own without water carriers for him. Sanchez was 30 when United signed him. We might as well say Rio Ferdinand of today has a higher prospect than Van Dijk. Jodera: Only van dijk to Maguire will I even say Liverpool had higher prospect there. Alisson is better than De Gea. You have also conveniently forgotten that for many seasons, ex-wingers aged 33 were United’s fullbacks cos guess what, Woodward wouldn’t sign proper fullbacks to play there. Nani left in 2014 and United haven’t signed an out and out right winger ever since. We are in 2021. Of course, the Glazers have been fantastic.  Jodera: That man u own didn't work out (due to poor or wrong managers) doesn't mean una no sign better players wey fit suppose carry league It never worked because of bargain basement players in key positions. Luke Shaw has 10 PL assists in 7 seasons(under 4 different managers) and it’s because of poor or wrong managers? Are you auditioning for the role of a clown? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 11:08pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
nitrogen: Lol, you want the Glazers to have spent additional 900m on top over 1 billion spent in the last 7-8 years on players? Why are you like this now? do you think that money grows on trees? Also, you said that they did not put money in the club, what about the debt they used to buy the club and the one for operating activities. Wait sef, you think people buy clubs so they can put money in it so fans can be happy, while they the owners will have negative returns? Geez! Discuss Man City. Their owners have put £1 billion into the club since 2008, the Glazers have removed double of that from United. Remember Roman Abramovic too? Remember how he paid all Chelsea’s debt and put his money to good use by winning the league twice in a row? Those are owners - unlike the parasites in your club. nitrogen: Many clubs are in huge debts because of transfers not even up to 30 percent of total revenues. Check Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea and even Juventus. These clubs have more debt than Utd and they don’t even spend. Of course, they don’t spend. Neymar and Countinho were free transfers for Barca. Florentino Perez kidnapped Bale and James Rodriguez without paying a penny. nitrogen: Real Madrid have spent just 19 percent of total revenues in the last 8 years on transfers, this is significantly lower than Utd’s spend (relatively).
There is no relationship here between not winning the league in 8 years and not spending, because we have spent more than enough. Start from 2005(the year the Glazers bought United). Stop posting fraudulent stats to suit your false narrative. nitrogen: Meanwhile, Chelsea, Liverpool and LCFC have won the league in the last 10 years, have they spent more than man utd in the same time?
Answer all my questions o! Liverpool and Leicester are anomalies. Liverpool gave Klopp 5 years to build and rebuild without any hint he could be sacked. Klopp finished 8th, 4th, 4th, 2nd, 1st. Even Moyes would achieve this if given that much time to do it his way without the useless Woodward poking his nose. Leicester were 500/1 to win the league in 2015/16. Chelsea win titles because they don’t give excuses. There’s a reason they are the most successful team in England since 2005. They have hired 16 managers in that period. Abramovic would have sacked Ole by now. He spends money and he demands instant success. Roman is a hero! |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 10:58pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
patrickmuf: In other words, with a world class manager, we can win the league...
The question is; if we win the leahue with a world class manager and the same set of players, doesn't it mean the Glazers signed players to win the league? A world class manager can punch above his weight and win the league - of course, there’s a possibility of that. It doesn’t necessarily mean the Glazers have bought players capable of overpowering their rivals. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 10:56pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
Jodera: The point is see is just the difference in managers.
City moved from Hughes to Pep
Man u moved from Saf to Solskjaer.
Simple.
Most of the guardiola buys aren't even regulars in his first 2-3 seasons, it's mostly Hughes and Mancini buys. And why they're not present now is because of old age. Else, they for still dey bench all Pep's buys join They were achieving before Pep. Pellegrini won a league title in his debut season and was a goal away from getting to Champions League final. Pep won nothing on his debut and he’s yet to play in a semifinal tie in Europe. Mancini won the league title Pellegrini won the league title. Pep winning it is tradition. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 10:53pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
patrickmuf: You said your expectation of Ole is a top 4 finish and zero trophies and thus far, he hasn't failed to deliver, so how is he a shit manager? He’s a shit manager because his predecessors achieved more with a shittier squad than Ole’s. Under 2 years, Van Gaal won FA cup Under 9 months, Jose won EFL cup & Europa After 2 years, Ole can’t get past a semifinal with a much better squad. And you have the nerve to ask how he’s a shit manager? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 10:48pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
patrickmuf: I will be here to checkmate you whenever you have a dig at Ole... You checkmate yourself. Jose has proven this squad can at least win a trophy or two even if they aren’t the biggest trophies. Van Gaal won a trophy with a shittier squad under the same owners. If Ole isn’t winning anything under the same owners with a better squad, it simply means Ole is a failure. Logic 101. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 10:46pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
patrickmuf: So, what should we realistically expect of Ole considering the role the owners have played as you claim? Zero trophies Top 4 position or thereabouts Different excuses every season. Ole will get sacked Another manager would come in Repeat the cycle |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 10:45pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
Jodera: How many of them when signed was "signed to win the league"?
Robertson? Wijnaldum? Mane? Chamberlain? Shaqiri? Fabinho? Milner? Salah? Allison?
Which would you call " winning the league players" before their arrival to Liverpool Nearly all of them - they were signed to address the weakness in the team. When Karius pòoped his pants in the Champions League final, Klopp quickly signed Alisson. United have not had a traditional winger since Nani left about 6 years ago. United can’t even sign a football director in the last 8 years and you wonder why the team is underperforming. The owners are shit, the structure is shit and they compounded the aroma of shit by signing one of the worst managers in history. A manager no other team in the top 6 would sign. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 10:40pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
patrickmuf: If you acknowledge the Glazers are the problem, why then do you want Ole sacked?
If you argue that Ole should be sacked, doesn't it imply we have a squad good enough to win the league? I already addressed this but you are too far gone to pay attention. The owners are bad & Ole is terrible. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 10:37pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
Jodera: How many of the current man city players can start for united team of 2007/2008? The Man City of today are 200 times better than their squad in 2007/8. The Man Utd of today are 4000 times worse than their squad in 2007/8. That’s the point. City are getting better and better, United are getting worse. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 10:35pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
patrickmuf: Liverpool have won the UCL and EPL in just a out the same time, pray tell, how much more have they spent?
We keep talking about rebuilding like we are rebuilding the world trade center... Liverpool actually spent money in the key areas where they needed replacements Alisson, Van Dijk, Mane, Salah, etc and majority of Klopp’s purchases are still with him. Unlike United who sell high valued players to quickly buy another one. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 10:26pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
patrickmuf: What exactly is spending on players and spending to win the league?
So, spending on Mkhitaryan, Ibra, Pogba is spending on players...
Spending on Maguire, AWB, Bruno, VDB, Telles etc is spending on players...
Pray tell, what does it mean to spend for the sake of winning? So if the aforementioned players win the league this season, we'll say we spend on players and later to win the league? Doesn't it sound funny? Spending on players = spending for the sake of it - buying bargain basement players that aren’t up to standard. Spending to win the league = buying world class players that would easily fit into the other elite clubs in Europe. If that is too complex for you, let’s try this. How many current United players can start for United in the 07/08 team that won the champions league? patrickmuf: How much did we spend on Lukaku, Pogba, Maguire etc? With same amount, City will buy 6-7 players but no, they buy more players so we should blame the Glazers. Lukaku - 2017 summer Pogba - 2016 summer Maguire - 2019 summer Meanwhile, Lukaku’s money bought Maguire.  The richest club in Britain?  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 10:16pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
patrickmuf: Bailly, Lindelof, Maguire...
Shaw, Telles...
Matic, Fred...
Pogba, Bruno, VDB...
Depay, Martial, Lukaku...
Dalot, Wan-BIssaka...
And the list goes on...You at the names you are dropping for City...lol Between 2016 and 2018; Pep signed 22 players, Jose signed 10 They both arrived at the same time in 2016 summer City won the league title in 2014, United won it in 2013. City reached CL semifinal in 2016, United in 2011. It’s easy to know the club that has ambitions and the one that is snoring. patrickmuf: Nolito, Bravo...I can as well talk about James, Romero etc. The difference Pep sold Nolito back to where he got it from under 9 months. He was not asked to develop him like United fans are asking their manager to develop Daniel James or Lindelof or Shaw. Pep signed Bravo, Bravo didn’t work. Pep got Ederson as a replacement immediately. City had Hart, Pep didn’t even wait to see what Hart had to offer before signing Bravo. This is what ambitious clubs do. Meanwhile, everyone knows James would never amount to anything but he’s still collecting wages at United. It takes United 5 years to move their redundant players on. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 10:04pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
nitrogen: Lol, but you included them in your '38 players', right? Anyway, nobody is saying that big spending should stop, what we are saying is you should stop saying that the Gazers are not spending to win. Money spent is money spent. nitrogen: Let's check something. You started by saying that they don't want to win the EPL because the monetary benefits are not significantly different (vs a top 4 finish), that's a very interesting way of thinking sha, but I will leave it at that. Why bring it up if you have nothing to say about it? Shallow grandstanding! nitrogen: Then someone told you that these same guys already spent over 1 billion since Fergie left, and then you came back to say that, yes they've actually spent, but they must outspend City to win the EPL. Question is, did Chelsea, Liverpool and LCFC outspend City before winning the EPL? They spent 1 billion since Fergie left and then took 2 billion to service a needless debt. Imagine if an extra 2 billion was spent on players since the Glazers arrived, where would United be? United won 6 or 7 league titles in the 10 years preceding the arrival of the Glazers. Now since 2005(16 years ago), United have won just 5 titles in 16 seasons. United went from 70% league title success to 31% under the Glazers and you continue to lie to yourself that they have spent money and it’s all down to the manager. nitrogen: You need to gather your thoughts and present them clearly. You might want to attenuate your thoughtless remarks once in a while. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 9:51pm On Feb 04, 2021*. Modified: 2:26pm On Mar 03, 2021 |
nitrogen: Haaaa, so you want to tell us that Arsenal, Tottenham, and Liverpool's transfer spending as a percentage of revenues exceeded Utd's 26% between 2013 and 2020? Only City and Chelsea had higher spending, and the margins are very low. City - 30%, Chelsea - 29%. Perhaps it’s also the reason those two clubs are the only clubs that have won the league title twice between 2013 and 2020. Thanks for making my point. nitrogen: This assertion does not make sense. It is the function of the manager and the system. Players in Bayern don't cost arms and legs but they play very well under their managers. Same with Real Madrid and Barcelona. In fact Pique, a fringe player left Utd to become a 'world-class' defender at Barca. There are no two ways about this, the managers of other clubs made their players become very good in our eyes. Today, most of our players will do well in other teams. Bayern literally bully the other teams in their league. While their players may not cost an arm or a leg, Bayern took the best goalie in the league from Schalke(Neuer), best defender in the league from Dortmund(Hummels), best striker in the league from Dortmund(Lewandowski). The equivalent of that in the Premier League would have been stealing Kane, Aguero, Hazard, Van Dijk, De Bruyne, etc in the last 7 years from United’s rivals instead of buying Daniel James, Wan Bissaka, Maguire and the other bums The Glazers are pretending are world class players. Real Madrid and Barcelona break the transfer record every other year, your assertion is laughable. Barca paid £75m(Suarez), £140m(Neymar), £120m(Coutinho), £105m(Dembele). United’s highest transfer is £89m on Pogba despite having similar revenue with Barcelona. nitrogen: Lol, most of the so-called world-class players were average players in the respective former clubs. KDB was a Chelsea reject, Aguero was from a mid-table club, Sterling the headless Chicken? Kompany? Fernandinho from Shaktar? You don't know what you are saying. Pep made these guys world-class players. He will go buy average players and turn them to world class. Stop peddling lies. You do yourself a disservice when you lie unashamedly that Aguero became world class under Pep. Aguero was destroying teams under Mancini. De Bruyne was the best player in Bundesliga when Man City signed him. Maybe you don’t watch a lot of football outside the Premier League to call De Bruyne(Bundesliga player of the year 2014/15) a Chelsea reject. When City signed him for £50m in 2015 to add to their midfield that already had Nasri, Fernando, Fernandinho, David Silva and Yaya Toure, United were signing bargain basement bums like Schneiderlin from Southampton. nitrogen: 36 players from where now? Geez, are you including U15 and U18 signings? then Man Utd has signed close to 40 players. If we mention key players, Utd and City have signed about 31 and 35 players respectively since 2013/14 season till last summer. I only counted the players with transfer fees signed under both managers. nitrogen: In conclusion, City spent 1.1 billion Euros and Man Utd spent 1.04 billion Euros between 2013 and 2020. Tell me how you came to the conclusion that the Glazers have not spent enough to win the league. They have, and they will continue to. One thing that I believe they need is the ability to move quickly (re: sacking and hiring managers). Football management and admin are dynamic, the earlier they realize that the better for the club. All top teams in Europe are successful because they are quick to bring on other managers. Fergie and Wenger's days are gone, it is what it is! Why are you starting the count from 2013? What about players like Tevez, Kompany, David Silva, Yaya Toure, Aguero, Dzeko, Adebayor, Balotelli, Nasri, etc? We should just blow those ones away because adding them doesn’t fit your false narrative? Why not calculate how much the Glazers have spent since 2005 till date and how much City’s owners have a spent since 2008 and divide per year? That would be a clearer analysis of which owners are more ambitious. nitrogen: Meanwhile, when you come up with assertions, make sure you have verifiable facts to back them up. You cannot just come here and be dropping numbers and analysis without thinking through them. This is comical. You came up with fraudulent stats to back up a wrong assertion and you call it facts. The Glazers have taken more than £2 billion from the club without putting their own money back into the club. They have taken out £900m in the last 10 years - imagine if that £900m went into buying players instead of servicing a debt United fans never asked for. How people like you continue to support parasites like the Glazers is one of the reasons the club is stuck in a quicksand. The Glazers know they can count on fans like you while they continue to bleed the club to death with zero glory to add to it. United’s peers in Europe dominate their respective leagues. Madrid/Barca dominate Spain. Bayern Munich dominate Germany Juventus dominate Italy Man Utd(a club with similar revenue) haven’t won the league in 8 years and you continue to lie the Glazers have spent money. Are you high on crack? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 8:11pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
patrickmuf: How is this the fault of the Glazers?
Who asked us to spend foolishly? When Guardiola spent foolishly on Nolito, Claudio Bravo, Danilo, etc, he got rid of them as soon as they realized they didn’t fit in. Chelsea didn’t stop spending big on players because Shevchenko or Bakayoko didn’t work. Real Madrid never stopped spending because Kaka or James Rodriguez didn’t work. Manchester United is the only club in the world where the fans want big spending to stop because certain players didn’t work. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 4:07pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
TrebleChamp: I want to disagree with this notion chief, the glaziers have spent over £1bn on transfers since Sir Alex Ferguson left. Of all the managers we've had post Fergie, only David Moyes wasn't really backed in the transfer window. The Glaziers are parasite no doubt, but they have spend huge money on transfers in the last 7+ years. Its not their fault that Ole and Woodward valued Maguire for £80m or Bissaka for £50m, its not the glaziers fault that United have done some really shitty transfer bizness over the years. The Glaziers have spent and will keep spending, its down to the Manager(s) to deliver the title with players bought at their request.... I hope you know there’s a difference between spending on players & spending on players to win the league.It’s a myth that the Glazers have spent money. What percentage of United’s revenue go into buying players? You would find out it’s the smallest in the top 6 by a considerable distance. United’s peers in Europe are Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich but I doubt any of United’s players get an automatic start in any of those clubs. That should be your first indicator that United don’t spend as much as their status dictates. When Pep & Jose arrived in the summer of 2016, the only world class player in United was David De Gea. City had De Bruyne, Aguero, Fernandinho, Kompany and Sterling. Pep has gone on to add another 36 players to that list with a total outlay of £832m. Manchester United under Jose and Ole combined added only 19 players that cost less than £700m. Yes, the Glazers have spent money but if they cannot outspend Man City who actually have a better structure and manager, there’s no chance we will ever see a Premier League victory under the Glazers. The other option is to do it the Liverpool way - give an elite manager about 5 years to build a squad. The only problem with this option is Manchester United’s status. They are too big to give any manager more than 3 years to build a squad without a trophy. The fans will not sit through it. Liverpool were able to do this because they had waited 30 years without a league title - the fans expectation was very low. And even if United fans become patient, United’s manager is not elite at all to see out the project. In conclusion, United are in big trouble unless they outrightly outspend their rivals or sack Ole. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 11:49pm On Feb 03, 2021 |
TrebleChamp: Na Amaka we go beg make him no disappoint us again. If we win our matches and be consistent, we might have a good chance of nicking it from City. They are the favourite no doubt... United can never win a league title under the Glazers. It’s not like the Glazers don’t know what to do about adding elite players to the squad but it’s not worth their while and it does even make any sense from the business standpoint. The difference in the prize money between the league champions and 4th position is less than £15m. The Glazers will need to spend at least £400m to overpower their rivals to win the league and apart from the bragging rights from fans, the reward is nothing. Woodward is looking at the cost and effect and he’s thinking why should I use £400m to chase £15m prize money when he can just finish 3rd or 4th(qualify for Europe) and keep the £400m in the bank? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 11:03pm On Feb 03, 2021*. Modified: 3:43pm On Feb 04, 2021 |
timay: Lol. No one is treating him like trash. Man just wants to collect his big money and flex. Even Rojo had to compromise , as per his wages before a deal could be reached with the club he left for.
I remember last summer that Everton wanted him on loan before they bought Olsen, but our guy wasn't willing to take a pay cut. He expects Everton to foot his whole bill which they refused because those ones will still pay Man utd loan fee. All in all, he wasn't ready to be a third goal keeper and wants to leave , meanwhile no meaningful bids came for him that is favourable for the club. But the wife expect the club to let him go for free as if na so dem dey run business. i'm sure if they run the club that way, it won't be around anymore as we speak.
All in all, united gave him a career , so all this talk about no way to treat him is trash. It was a mutual relationship. Being a second choice united goal keeper was what gave him clout and national team career in the first place. Romero had his debut for Argentina under Maradona - 6 years before United signed him. How United gave him a national team career is giving him anxiety. Give your head a wobble. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 10:28pm On Feb 03, 2021 |
timay: So after then what happened?
The last time I checked, Ole only stopped playing him in cup semifinals last year 2020, and to the best of my knowledge , he's stopped being Argentina no. 1 way before then. So don't blame his national team misfortune on Ole abeg. Argentina dumped him because they found a better number 1.
His situation is similar to Nigeria national team goalkeeper(Akpeyi). He's not the best of goalkeepers, to have in a decent team, but he's the best they've got at the moment, and they've got no choice. The moment a better option shows up, he got dumped. After your blatant lie that implied he was dumped for the World Cup, you have the nerve to ask me what happened afterwards? The same goalkeeper that won the last trophy for United is being treated like trash and you are in support of it because of a stupid PE teacher that cannot tell his left from the right. Even if Ole has found a better goalkeeper, that’s not the way to treat people. If you don’t need him again, let him go. Don’t stall his career for the fun of it. That’s just classless. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 10:05pm On Feb 03, 2021 |
KingAlabi: But we should believe his wife 
Wooooow!!!!! Why would his wife lie about the situation of things? Everton were ready to take Romero but United blocked the move. Yet, they won’t play him or sell him. They just made him redundant for nothing. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Illimitable: 8:15pm On Feb 03, 2021 |
timay: This is not true. As at 2018 world cup , Romero wasn't even Argentina no. 1 He was their number one, he suffered an injury a day after he was named in the 23 man squad.
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