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MaxInDHouse:
So RAPTURE topic is unscriptural!

Just like Bible, pornography, homosexuality, or alcohol topic.

MaxInDHouse:
Stupidity is not an insult my guy, just prove that you've not been stupid by pasting on this thread any publication of JWs where a specific date has been mentioned in line with the common accusation that this group prophesied the end of the world with dates.
Thank you!

It's a compliment na, not an insult. Irredeemable Hypocrite.

MaxInDHouse:
I only come around when i'm less busy to expose your folly so don't think i need to go and ask anyone before using the scriptures to answer you guys.
Now learn: Paul and Barnabas disagreed on taking Mark along their ministry, Peter was corrected by Paul but no Christian disagree on whatever the Apostles and elders in Jerusalem the first century Governing Body concluded upon. Act 2:42; 15:2; 16:4

So where are those governing the affairs of all these rival groups claiming Christians with the contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all in the name of ONE BODY today?

Well our own are the Governing Body of JWs in America, whatever they concluded upon must not be objected because Jesus did say whatever they bind or loosen on earth has been granted in heaven! Matt 16:19

Abeg respond with the use of scriptures we're not playing ludo here Sir!

You are suffering from inferiority complex, you hypocrite. Are you not aware that other denominations have their prophets, Bishops or Overseers that all members and teachers in that denomination agree to what he says on doctrine? i guess your ignorance stems from being a former muslin and never going to any of these other denominations but swallowing what your lying elders tell you about them hook, line and sinker.
There's nothing to learn about disagreements, you are the one just learning it after i pointed them out to you. You initially said there was never any disagreement and can never be a disagreement in church. i showed you how there were several disagreements settled in the Bible.

Like i advised, come out of the hole you're in and see that every established denomination have leaders/elders or whatever name they call themselves.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ the word RAPTURE no dey inside Bible!

We never said that the word "Rapture", "Bible" or "pornography" are in the Bible. In the fact, no English word is in the Bible. Stop acting foolish 247.

Dtruthspeaker:
Phensic is that old pain reliever that reigned before paracetamol started advertising in the 80's. It used to be phensic and Daga.

i actually know it bro, wasn't sure of the spelling or why it is appearing in 2022. There are all sorts of medicine, drugs and co now, hence the phrase.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted never happened in true Christianity and it will never happen!

Once there is disagreement on how to carry out sacred service that means Satan is the God they're worshiping.
Paul had a disagreement with Barnabas when he wanted to travel with a Christian brother (Mark) not on scriptural opinion! Act 15:37-39
Peter as usual and few brothers were misled due the Jewish tradition and Paul corrected them! Gala 2:11-14
But just as Jesus prayed fervently to his father {John 17:22} they all had the same line of thought on sacred matters! 1Corin 1:10

So whatever makes you and your fellow Churchgoers disagree on scriptural topics then it simply means those teaching you has failed woefully {Matt 28:20} therefore you people can't be ONE BODY as you're thinking!

I know you people will shamelessly deny your contradicting opinion now but surely you and NNRT are not on the same page Sir!

Your handlers have sent you answers at last. Shame on them, they should open your eyes and tell you that the disagreements you refer to are between different denominations and cults. Most other denominations, banks, mosques and even football clubs have the same teachings and doctrines internally, not different from what you claim a laughable monopoly over.
Is Peter part of the body or not, you just mentioned that he was misled. You hypocritically say disagreements never happened and will never happen. Then went ahead to talk of disagreements from Paul to Barnabas to Peter. Do you read before posting at all or just copy and paste? What is scriptural opinion or sacred matters? Is circumcision, preaching to gentiles, eating with Gentiles, marriage, divorce sacred matters. Or some talk about lake of fire or hell fire is more sacred? Take that brain of yours from where they kept it tomorrow in the sad hall. It's time to begin using it.

azammi:
But God creating marijuana and how is that using what God created is a sin . Didnt he Create this things for our use ?

God created everything, the old testament clearly showed us that not everything is for consumption especially in wrong proportion. There were animals and birds that were unclean to the Jews for eating, yet God created them. Can you explain that?

aswani:
Thank you for confirming that I didn't mention smoking marijuana.

i am not here to confirm your puny ego. i simply talked in line with the thread and the OP discussing smoking marijuana. Stay in line.

MaxInDHouse:
That's how it should be!

So continue ranting but don't quote our book (Bible) because you weren't taught anything that goes in line with the truth found in God's word!

Instead of the proud hypocrite to repent and treat his wounds, he is licking them and calling them vitamins. You were aptly described by Paul as a vain talker whose mouth should be stopped like was done on this Rapture topic. Hoping that you are able to come to the knowledge of this truth and not just ever learning. Be prepared for the kingdom of God, not for silly talk from your magazines.

MaxInDHouse:
I wonder how you and your fellow believer were arguing profusely against each other yet you want to prove that both of you are in the same BODY of your Christ!

At the mention of the group name "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" all of you are alert that a member of a group having the same line of thought is here so you start asking questions based on the unique teachings that binds together ONE UNIQUE BODY OF BELIEVERS {John 17:22} but as for you and your cohorts it's
IṢU ATA YÁN-HAN YÀN-HAN
YAM PEPPER SCATTER SCATTER! Luke 11:23

Stay away from drunkeness, what you have written here cannot be explained otherwise.
Who was i arguing profusely with or you don't know the meaning of profusely? If you refer to disagreements and differing opinions, they did have them in the early church. No one was as foolish as a Jwickedness pawn to say that the church then was not the Body of Christ. They had differing opinions on who should serve them, who should be served, whether to circumcise or not, whether to preach to Gentiles or eat with them, even on marriage and divorce, eating idols food etc. Pretty much everything. Most of the epistles dealt with settling these differences and ignorance in the Body of Christ at that time. Good thing is that many of them were not contentious, many of them were not indoctrinated, and many were meek enough to receive the teaching and also confirm from the Word whether those things were so. They were not busy defending and hyping some sect or cult like zombies. Read the Bible for yourself and use your God given brain this guy.

TheOgaBoss:
so what does mean when he said "I made ..." Emphasis on "I".

He was self explanatory enough. He said when Buhari had lost serially, cried on TV and given up, he took him and encouraged him that he would help him. He did most of the running around to form APC and make Buhari emerge as winner in the primaries in 2014. His media machinery zoomed GEJ's cluelessness and made Buhari look like a saviour to be considered by all fed up with what was happening.

aswani:
Uncle, did I mention smoking marijuana? You are aware that it can and is ingested in other ways.

The OP talks about SMOKING.

emenas:
Nairalanders come oo let’s settle this once and for all.

Is it sinful to smoke weed?
What are the spiritual implications of smoking weed?

Comment with facts and proofs

God says that He will destroy those who defile His temple, which is the believer's body. If you are a believer, do not defile your body with banned substance and hard drugs. Go to the medical doctor for prescription, ask God for wisdom and healing. Marijuana should not be the source of wisdom or inspiration of a child of God.

aswani:
Marijuana has medicinal properties and can deaden pain, much like paracetamol and phensic.

Do those people smoke paracetamol and phensic, whatever that is?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ humble yourself and learn from JWs!

Jesus did said:
And Jesus said unto them, The sons of this world marry, and are given in marriage but they that are accounted worthy to attain to that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage for neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36

Do you think such persons whom Jesus said are "like angels" will ever get married again?
Well they're going straight to heaven and never to return to this planet because they will become like angels with no gender unlike their earthly subjects who will live in the flesh, get married and have children! Isaiah 65:21-23

I'm not disputing the fact that some Christians are going to heaven but know that those going there will never return that's why the Bible said death can't reach them again because they've become immortal! Reve 20:6

So ọmọ stop being stupid humble yourself and learn the truth from JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Learn what? Have you now learned the clear fact on the teaching of believers being caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air?
No need jumping up and down like a toad without learning anything. Sit and learn, one step at a time. We are talking rapture, you'd rather talk about a million things and know nothing at the end of the day. i am not mesmerized by such folly and indiscipline. No one talked about marriage except you. Getting married or not getting married has nothing to do with going to Heaven or Earth. Jesus Christ and many Eunuchs did not marry any woman on Earth, and should He return, i don't think He has to marry to be granted entrance to Earth. Stop making things up or copying and pasting junk as usual. Again what has coming to Earth have to do with the power of death? Stop making up stupidity by the hour, the Bible does not teach that people will not come to Earth again to escape death.

MaxInDHouse:
Oh, you're getting annoyed already!

Why not present the name of your church and start speaking of the things Holy Spirit taught, let's see members of your so called denomination prove here that you have the same line of thought just as Jesus prophesied regarding Jehovah's Witnesses! John 17:22

Your foolishness and hypocrisy irks me as it irked the Lord Jesus when He encountered your fathers. You've been glibly quoting the High Priestly prayer of our Lord to achieve your selfish gains. What do you think stops any believer from quoting same? Are you aware, have you read that the prayer was for all who believe in Jesus and not for some cult Jwickedness?

Joh 17:22  And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 
Joh 17:20  Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 


He was praying for the Unity of His Body, the church, believers, not for the cult hall of asleep salesmen. You should not be so myopic as not to know that various bodies and organisations have unity and are one in what they do. Unity is a prayer for the church, not a sign that it is the church, don't be fooled. As beautiful as unity is, the people at the tower of Babel were united. There are brands, banks, political parties, International organisations and religious organisations that are and claim to be united in what they do. It is not a sole claim of your denomination. Muslins also claim it all over the world and most of their teachings are largely same. Hindus, Budhists and many other idolaters claim unity. Many of the orthodox churches also claim unity within each other. Many pentecostal denominations also claim unity so i don't really see why you behave like an ostrich everytime. Open your eyes and look around you.

TheOgaBoss:
but buhari had never come to claim that he wom singlehandedly, even though we all know he was massively popular in the north but tinubu is claiming that he(singular) made buhari president.

He didn't say that he singlehandedly did, did he? People voted.

TheOgaBoss:
oga u have still not answered my question, y was he not able to unleash this "immense" political power that u think wields before the APC coalition, besides tinubu did not create any APC coalition, there was already trouble with the nPdp leaving the main pdp which metamorphosed into the new apc coalition to take on pdp.

Same reason Buhari refused to win in previous elections. It's like having all the flour and oil but never mixed together. No puff puff for you.

Victor468:
The merging of the Parties ACP, CPC, and Co were instrumental to Buhari winning the election. And without Tinubu pulling the South (ACP) into the bold and inputting some electioneering strategy, Buhari wouldn't have won the election. So his influence and input in 2015 election cannot be undermined.

Exactly. Even the crumble of PDP to factions was because the saw alternative in the change movement as it were.

TheOgaBoss:
was tinubu the only one that supported tinubu? Did amaechi not support him? What about the nPDP governors and others who were in cpc. Besides what was the margin of votes tinubu delivered from the SW compared to what buhari garnered from Kano and Katsina?

Tinubu created, sustained and organized the momentum. That's a fact. It's unfortunate the way the race is going but he's APC's biggest chance. Osinbajo is their best candidate but he doesn't have the mind for the troubles about to be. Except Tinubu agrees to support him.
Tinubu can unify even Atiku if he agrees to support Osinbajo. But otherwise, even SW na problem for Osinbajo. The North also will not readily submit. Tinubu will unleash the press, the agberos, the muslims and pretty much all his northern allies against Osinbajo. Right now, the situation is very precarious.

MaxInDHouse:
You wanted to correct something but failed to complete your study on what you're arrogantly arguing about.
Well the highlighted contradicts Paul's word:

"then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord. 1Thess 4:17

Compare to
Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; the voice I heard was like the sound of harpers playing on their harps, and they sing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth. It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; these have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless. Reve 14:1-5

So humble yourself and let JWs TEACH you!

Those mentioned @ Matt 5:3 are surely going to HEAVEN to be WITH JESUS FOREVER they are the FIRST FRUIT of God's Kingdom!
The twelve apostles are the foundation stones {Reve 21:14} because after God planted the tree of salvation which is Christ {John 15:1} the Apostles became the branches {John 15:6} so nobody can gain entrance into God's Kingdom without passing through the teachings of the Apostles which they received from Christ! Act 2:42
The tree (Christ) produced it's first fruit and that is what amount to 144,000 co-rulers who will go and rule with him in heaven {Reve 20:5-6} all other faithful servants of God including later Christians are like the second fruit or (other sheep) {John 10:16} who will be on planet earth {Reve 14:6} unlike the first fruit Jesus promised to go and prepare accomodations for in heaven {John 14:1-3} those that will inherit the earth are going to build their own houses and live forever on planet earth! Isaiah 65:21-23

So when Jesus mentioned HEAVEN and EARTH @ Matt 5:3&5 God's Holy Spirit has revealed to us all the sacred secrets in each of his statement.
Ọmọ humble yourself and learn from JWs they know far far better than your pastors, and if you're also one of the Pastors in Christendom i pity you because you're heading towards destruction as you're always kicking against Jesus' brothers who are gathering the other sheep {John 10:16} the earthly subjects of God's Kingdom!

You have said nothing except the usual indoctrinated copy and paste jargon.
Clearly, the Rapture, which is the catching up of believers to meet the Lord in the air is taught in the Bible. That's the simple sentence you're trying to write a book for. We don't fall for bamboozling, we stand with facts. Your handlers fail to learn that the Lamb will go to Heaven and Earth. He's not limited or restricted to Heaven or to Earth. By implications, those who follow Him follow Him both to Heaven and Earth. Get your brain working and stop reading these junk from the sad hall.

MaxInDHouse:
Only Jehovah's Witnesses (true disciples of Christ) can agree perfectly on God's word {John 17:22 compare to 1Corin 1:10} but as for all other religionists nothing can make you people agree on God's word except what is plainly written which everyone including unbelievers can just pick up scriptures and read.
So whenever it comes to sacred secrets you will all be SCATTERED spiritually speaking.
Na our King talk am! Luke 11:23

Keep shut with this foolery. No one asked you for silly adverts of your cult. Your cult just like the thousands of denominations claiming christianity have their differences with the other. You're different from me and i am different from you and we have different viewpoints. Idiotically spinning it as some sort of edge for you is at best hilarious.

NNTR:

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Mark 9:43
'And if your hand should cause you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter into life crippled,
than having two hands to go away into Gehenna, into the unquenchable fire.'

You ought to know better than be misppropriating

Do you see hell written in Matthew 25:41 and note that Matthew 25:41 has a witness verse, which is Matthew 5:30 parroting it.
Now what witness verse have you that corroborates Mark 9:43 equating Gehenna to be everlasting fire, when in actual fact, the fire that Mark 9:43 is talking of there, is the smouldering fire at Gehenna, in other words, the incinerating refuse dump at Jerusalem.

No man's has monopoly of knowledge, so be humble enough to take to correction that the devil is not sent to Gehenna or hell as you claimed. Gehenna was not created for him and fallen angels, period. You'll be wise to stop using Gehenna in relation to the devil and its demons

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Indeed, every sinner is going to the refuse dump in Jerusalem. Enjoy your knowledge.

Morningblues:
My opinion Tho-

And why is the same Environmental factors not making the gay turn straight?

Peer pressure doesn't make people gay, if they become gay when they travel abroad they just realized it OR they were closeted and couldn't express their true sexuality in Nigeria.

If a few queer persons can make you turn gay then maybe you’re not telling yourself the truth about your sexuality to begin with.

This one doesn't understand the power of peer pressure. The people you roll with can get you into all kinds of things positive or negative. People join the choir, learn instruments, do sports, night classes, graduate with good grades, find good jobs because of the people they mingled with. In the negative side too, people smoke, drink, join cult, kill, steal, do internet fraud, night club, beastiality, gang rapes, homosexuality because of peer. Be not deceived, evil communications corrupt good manners.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus was talking to his disciples:
Some will go to heaven {Matt 5:3} others will inherit the earth! Matt 5:5

So you're free to go out there to PREACH and TEACH what you know!

Instead of a Jwickedness member to humbly correct his errors and learn, he'd rather remain sickly indoctrinated and give me the freedom i have always had.
The Matthew 5 blessings/beatitudes are not mutually exclusive to persons, they are for every believer that meet the criteria. The poor in spirit can also be meek and merciful together, no demarcation. You can go to Heaven and inherit the earth. But those are not even what we were talking about. We were talking about being caught up in the cloud to meet the Lord in the air(not really Heaven or earth yet). It is what the Bible teaches, do learn not to say otherwise again.

NNTR:
Revelation 20:10
'And the devil who had deceived them was hurled into the lake of fire and burning brimstone (sulfur),
where the beast (Antichrist) and false prophet are also;
and they will be tormented day and night, forever and ever.'

Revelation 20:10
'And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.'

Hell fire was never created for the devil and fallen angels, its the lake of fire that is
Death and hell also will be thrown into the lake of fire too

The devil and the demons (i.e. fallen celestial beings) have no souls, meaning, due to this, are not able to be saved, made right, improved, or corrected and so because of this, are irredeemable

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Mat 25:41 KJV Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mar 9:43 KJV And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

i don't know what you enjoy or gain arguing about trivialities.

LordReed:
No I don't believe in the existence of spirit or soul, body is the only well established fact.

Okay, no problem. Lol, just scanning through your continued posts and even thread on souls, i say make i wonder. Enjoy.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus told his disciples who strongly desire to rule with him that they have to drink from the( same cup) with him {Matt 20:22} the cup Jesus drank was DEATH! Luke 22:42
There's no way any human can go to heaven with Christ without first dying and burial, that's the only way their corruptible body could be sown before germinating into the incorruptible! 1Corin 15:42
So the word RAPTURE doesn't fit in at all!

Actually to set the record straight, all the disciples wanted to rule with Jesus and were promised so (Matthew 19:28 and Luke 22:30). What those two were asking for was to be second in command, at His right and left hand. This has nothing to do with the believers being caught up to meet the Lord in the air. Rapture is not just for two or twelve people.
Secondly, they were all going to die anyway (Hebrews 9:27). Physical death doesn't qualify anyone for Heaven or for rapture, otherwise everyone is going fa since that's the cup according to you.
This passage is clearly different from a passage which demarcates dead people from those who are alive and remain. It says we shall not all sleep/die.(1Corinth 15:51), you say they must all die and even be buried. Do you sincerely expect me to believe you above Paul?

LordReed:
Where in the Bible does it suggest that animals have souls in the first place?

This una talk hardly interests me 1%, just curious to know if you now believe in the existence of spirit, soul and body.

Atiku ghost worker spotted

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, if this is what you mean then it's not even close to what God's word teaches!

According to God's word all those who are going to heaven must die first before they can be transformed they must taste death (the same cup) before joining Jesus in his kingdom {Matt 20:22} the corruptible body must die and be buried (sown) first! 1Corin 15:42

What Paul is saying there is that unlike the first set of born again Christians who slept in death {Matt 13:25} for centuries before Jesus' return those who are still alive will no longer remain in their graves as dead people rather they will be transformed instantly after their death and burial to join Jesus and their fellow born again Christians in heaven! 1Corin 15:50-54

Now i know why REAL Bible students disagree with the usage of that word "RAPTURE"

Which what God's Word teaches again, is it my word? i quoted Bible for you, you say it is not close to what God's word teaches.

1Th 4:17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 
This is the Rapture we talk about, whatever other words you call it. But don't confuse it with resurrection. The previous verse clearly says the dead will rise first, another passage confirm that we shall not all sleep/die.

MaxInDHouse:
Well it should have rightly be RESURRECTION because what Paul is talking about there is the resurrection of the first fruit of God's Kingdom.
So if some RELIGION call it RAPTURE and others question the WORD used i don't see any reason why you should be offended since what you yourself quoted never mention that word, and mind you the word RAPTURE could mean several other things which has nothing to do with the Bible:

RAPTURE

[1]Extreme pleasure, happiness or excitement.


[2]In some forms of fundamentalist Protestant eschatology, the event when Jesus returns and gathers the souls of living believers. (Usually "the rapture."

[3]The act of kidnapping or abducting, especially the forceful carrying off of a woman.

[4]Rape; ravishment; sexual violation.

[5]The act of carrying, conveying, transporting or sweeping along by force of movement; the force of such movement; the fact of being carried along by such movement.

[6]A spasm; a fit; a syncope; delirium.

Oxford dictionary!

Lol, people who are alive and remain are resurrected? Are you okay bayi? Get a proper dictionary not a roadside/stolen newspaper.