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LordReed:
LoL! You'll watch the adult child you invested years of your life bringing up consume poison because you have already warned them and because you have other children. Amazing the extent you people go to defend this god idea. Bwahahahahaha!

BTW I asked you how someone like Harry Houdini was evil.

i think you find it fictional? i sincerely will not babysit an adult fool in his right mind. There are consequences for folly. Especially if i have uncountable billions of better adult children. Not forgetting the backdrop of knowledge that i would still get uncountable billions more sensible sons from his descendants.
Every sensible refining process on earth goes through this, you should barely have a problem with it especially as you claim it's fiction.

On the wizard, i already said many perceived wizardry and witchcraft as abominable. While you condone it and allow your daughter to go through it, billions of people cannot. Does that change your mindset, no. Turn it the other way, you and some others think God was so wicked to allow Adam disobey Him with freewill. He doesn't send your opinions. It's His zillionth son.

LordReed:
Absolve him of blame how? He is a fictional character so what blame do I need to assign to a fictional character?

The sort you have been attempting to heap on God or His followers.

LordReed:
Meaning not all humans are wanted, why if they are not spoilt?

All have sinned, all are spoilt and need Jesus.

LordReed:
How is does that mean I have cognitive dissonance?

You constantly absolve Adam and man of blame na.

alphaNomega:
Believe in Batman, he stops crime.

Jesus already does that, i don't need another saviour.

LordReed:
Why if it is not spoilt does there need to be a harvest?

i don't think i completely get the question with a "why". There's going to be an harvest though, Jesus said so.

alphaNomega:
I simply believe you are arguing.

Don't waste your faith, believe on the Lord Jesus.

LordReed:
I never mentioned son, I mentioned child.

How is a person who performs magic tricks doing evil? You mean someone like Harry Houdini was evil? In what way?

Okay, adult child not children. There are certainly things you can do for an adult child and things you cannot. i cannot babysit an adult child that is in perfect health and condition. Not especially when i have billions of other better children and i know that i will still get uncountable better children from him if he chooses to be foolish for himself.

LordReed:
LMAO! Why would I have cognitive dissonance over a fairy tale?

You accused someone else of it, remember?

Workch:
seems you are person who doesn't have a god and brain here.

Gen. 3:4–5 and 3:22) The serpent has the ability to speak and to reason: "Now the serpent was more subtle (also translated as "cunning" than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made".

And where did you see snakes there? i can't be thinking for you after all the money spent on educating you.

alphaNomega:
Then why waste your time arguing Bible stories? They aren't even real!

i should be asking you, you are the one arguing. i simply believe.

LordReed:
LoLz. Always looking to absolve your god concept of blame. It's called cognitive dissonance, look it up.

The cognitive dissonance here is your conscious refusal to see Adam's fault.

LordReed:
Them meaning either female or male.

I don't believe magic exists except as used to describe the shows people put up using sleight of hand and other trickery. Will I allow my daughter marry that type of magician, yes, no objection.

You were referring to my son, then now to Male and Female thems. It's getting a bit foggy.

In the case where you'd allow your daughter marry a wizard, you are not too far from the "wickedness" you seek to prove. You'd allow your daughter into evil because you don't believe it matters much in your worldview. The same way you are looking incredulously at a father allowing his son to be poisoned is the way many of the forum will look at you incredulously as a father allowing his daughter to go with a wizard.

alphaNomega:
Focus on the story, the angels part is a topic for another day. Up until the time the forbidden fruit was taken, no angel was mentioned in the story

Focus on the reality, i don't do stories.

LordReed:
Then why do you claim we need salvation?

So you can be part of us, the huge multitude harvest of humans.

LordReed:
How does it absolve the god of responsibility? The god watches his project get spoilt and does nothing, is that the characteristic of a good project manager?

It's not spoilt if you bother to read Revelations. He gets a huge multitude harvest of humans as it were to be with Him forever.

alphaNomega:
Billions? At that point there were only two people, Adam and Eve. Where were the billions?

Since you choose to call Adam a son, all the angels better qualify as sons and are so called. They are said to be in their uncountable billions. Gerrit?

Workch:
Stop asking stupid questions.
Your Bible said snakes talk and you believe it. That's makes you an idiot.

How can you beliebe snakes can talk under any circumstances? You don't have a working brain?

Look right in the mirror, you're the one glaringly asking the stupid questions here. The Bible says no such thing about snakes talking. Use that God given brain of yours, it's starting to atrophy.

LordReed:
So you'll watch them drink the rat poison because you've warned them. LMFAO!

Which of the following definitions do you mean

The first definition.

Who are "them"? i supposed you were referring to one grownup son?

Workch:
I'm sane enough to know that omniscient and freewill are incapatible.
I won't say they are to justify my imaginary friend

Give examples of omniscient creatures and those with freewill.

alphaNomega:
Your child is still your child even if you are 200 years old and it is 170 years old

i can't babysit a full grown man that chooses to be a fool especially if i had billions of "better" sons. Do you have billions of anything to know the feel?

LordReed:
I talking about children not human race. If you will watch your children harm themselves then you're an irresponsible parent.

i will just chip in though that you're discussing something more complex and complicated than just a father and child relationship. It's a intricate project ending in Heaven or hell. God has a Son Jesus that He watched die for you BTW. He's supposedly got myriads of uncountable billions of angels as "better" sons too. You don't put your hands in the furnace to get out gold because you are afraid your precious gold will perish. It must go through the fire to get it refined. Adam's race is that kind of project, looking at it in a shortsighted 1D doesn't suffice or do justice.

Workch:
Doesn't make sense. I really want to have a sane discussion with you now but if you become rude then be my guest.

Freewill and omniscient are mutually exclusive, they can't work together.
God has a divine plan, his divine plans cannot work if we have freewill. It puts his plans in the hands of the freewill of men, which implies that he works with probabilities now. It's a big blow to his omniscient nature. Freewill will always distort the plans of God and put his omniscient nature to a question.

This played out in the Bible stories, he changed his plans several times, during the time of Adam, Noah and Jesus etc. It doesn't seem to me that he knows anything, his plans are based on the freewill he gave to us hence the reason for the several changes.

Lol, you're a joker. Are you not sane enough to know that you are the chief rude one anytime you deride other people's gods or God?
You don't know anything or believe much about freewill and omniscience to make claims about exclusivity.

Workch:
your Bible said one talked

You have a mind of your own, no? Snake or snakes?

LordReed:
The question is will you standby and do nothing but watch?

What is a wizard?

i did something already, i raised him up and warned him. God forbid that I raise a fool. Check a dictionary for "wizard" in context.

LordReed:
So if your adult child was about to drink rat poison you'll standby and watch?

I'd be quite disappointed if not distraught especially seeing that he knows he's drinking rat poison despite my warning. Would you allow your daughter marry a wizard?

LordReed:
So because you warned your child not to drink the rat poison you'll standby and watch as they drink it? What kind of irresponsibility is that?

Adam was a very intelligent man with freewill who knew what he was doing, not a child unfortunately.

Janosky:
Psalms 139 complements Psalms 14:2.

According to Psalms 139 & Psalms 14;2, is God resident on earth?

Was anyone talking about residence except you? Stammer not.

Workch:
But you think snakes talk still

Do they? Make up your mind, you can. Snake or snakes?

MaxInDHouse:
Evil that's spelt out is KILLING people not sex drive my friend, you talk of pedophiles as if it's not happening in all human society.
Even a religion legalized infant marriage so can you go and stop them from marrying underage children?
We are talking about people killing people!
70% of people today were molested one time or another during their adolescence yet they're still alive today and doing fine in the society can you compare them to dead people?
So instead of mixing up too many things all at a time why not concentrate on the real evil, the cause of killing in the human society?

So the day that you broke bottle on your in law's head because they asked you to pray nko? You could have killed someone, no?

Workch:
But you still think a snake talked

Think is an understatement, i know the snake to be your father.

kingxsamz:
Bro, you're typing all this long stuff. I don't read them. I see them as rants. If you're not pained, you won't be typing epistles for me.
I'll be opening my church soon, I hope you come around though.

Samuel, is this the plan? No job search at all, no NYSC? Why not try your hands a bit on Secondary school teacher or you can try to take some IT courses? It's just advice from those who care about you.