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Skyview01:
Hello peeps, i have a very important observation i would need your input and thoughts.
The question is , do you really need religion to be moral? Can one be moral without religion.
Now, morality is knowing and having a sense of right versus wrong.
The reason for this question is my observation of Nigeria and Nigerians. We are deeply religious, go to chrch every day in the week, but in my observation, the most immoral people in the world.
I have constantly interacted with friends from Asian countries like Vietnam for instance who are never religious, never been to a church but nevertheless, deeply moral. They are willing to do the right thing and obey the law compared to my deeply religious Nigerians who are always willing break the law for example.

God created every human with a conscience. Just like every other part of human beings, it's not the same size, strength or power e.g your hearing could be better than mine and we don't have the same BPs. All can also depreciate or be improved on. Some people have acute sense of conscience, while some have deadened conscience.
Your conscience naturally has a sense of right and wrong, though influenced by external factors. Religion can give you a false sense of morality like most cases in Nigeria.

LordReed:
You are just repeating what you said before and so the answer remains the same. Favouring others while being a monster to others doesn't make you less a monster.

You're probably a monster to the living things you killed and ate, are you less of a monster or you don't have such perspective?

LordReed:
That is not justice. Torture is not justice. The god concept shows the god is a monster of epic proportions. Torturing people endlessly is only a monster that can conceive of such a vile thing.

Humans have spirits. Spirits don't die as they come from God. Do you want to live with God in Heaven?

LordReed:
They did that because of their Christian beliefs. They wouldn't have the same regard for Israel otherwise.

Kindly show these beliefs from the Bible. i have high regards for Israel too but there's no such directive or information on starting any war from the Bible or Christianity.

Ignorance, do you know how many millions of people are chosen by God?

kingxsamz:
That's because none of that ever happened.
It's easier to sell a lie in those days, than it is now.

This one doesn't know anything. You really mean it's not easy to sell a lie now? You are getting more naive by the hour.

LordReed:
Did you miss:

i replied already. It will be because of Israel not because of Christian beliefs.The Bible doesn't instruct or inspire anyone to go to war anywhere.

donnie:
I don't have time for silly people trying to distract. Your white Jesus is like a cancer, cut it out and the rest of the body is free to make real progress. It begins with the people (not infrastructure), and the knowledge they have inside them will cause them to take the right and necessary actions to yield sustainable results.

Waiting for you to turn Africa into New York with this profound revelation.

Manipulated yes, possessed no.

donnie:
That's the reason for the awakening. Our people cannot do beyond their knowledge of self. When they know who they really are, then they can become what they really are.

And white Jesus is a major weapon used against the minds of our people that must be destroyed anywhere I find it.

Lol, keep dreaming and straining at a gnat to swallow a camel then. It is Jesus colour that is keeping you in shithole conditions, right. Once we all accept your preferred colour, Africa will turn to London.

donnie:
This is the sickness dingbats like image123 do not want us to attempt to cure.
1. Europe was populated and civilized by blacks (negroes/jews and Moors)
2. These blacks (negroes/Israelietes and Moors) ruled Europe for 700 years until they were expelled during the inquisition following a series of papal bulls.
3. Negro children who were snatched from their parents and forcefully baptized were not expelled... these went on to become New Christians. Also, the descendants of those who converted to Christianity in order to avoid being killed or expelled remained in Europe, mixing with the growing white populations, hence those mixed races you often find today.
4. There is nothing like "African descent" in the real sense of the word because Africa is not a race but a continent housing many different nations of people. If we are to go by that Almost all of Europe and Middle East will be of African descent.
5. The mixed races in Europe or the middle East are the result of the conquests of those lands by the very black populations (Berbers, Moors) of North Africa who mixed with white women. Also by Negroes/Bantus/Israelites as is the case with Italy today. It's the reason many white Europeans today can trace their DNA ancestry to Africa even after centuries of mixing with whites.
6. Amilia would be part of the minority that retained their pure Bantu/Negro/Israelite blood and complexion after centuries.

Stop mentioning me in rubbish. Why have you not made Nigeria Heaven? You developed Europe and America but live in shithole conditions.

LordReed:
I talking about American Christians in particular. Mike Pompeo and Mike Pence when they were in government wanted a war with Iran ostensibly because of Israel and their Christian beliefs, its not a fantasy. They were the ones who urged Trump to have Soleimani assassinated. It seems its you who is naive here, you seem to think that every Christian is a pacifist and there are none who want war.

Lol, Americans okay. They want a war because of Israel not because of Christian beliefs. I thought you were saying that there were Christians in the middle east who wanted to go to war, that's what i called negligible and a fantasy. If some American wants war, it's not because of Christian beliefs. The Bible doesn't instruct or inspire anyone to go to war anywhere.

donnie:
Now your frustration has led you into something else. See how your pastors and members are running helter skelter in confusion, not knowing what else to cast and bind again. Foolishness has become synonymous with Christianity. You should only build on a proper foundation which is TRUTH.

Frustration? Try another word.

donnie:
Let it pain you there

How is that even possible?

Eat together to avoid being poisoned
On a more serious note, it's part of fellowship. Eating together is a kind of bond and kindred "spirit".

sisisioge:
How can a single dollar be our own 550 naira? Isnt that witchcraft?

chai, this is very bad. The government has failed, see options to survive government when we no dey biblical famine. It's worse that the government is living in denial.

NewSoul:
Did he ask God to bless him? (He was looking up to a rich man) when God said LovePeddler to him that put his trust in man Jabez asked and got also job and Solomon and also one didn't even ask (obededom) just because God's ark was in his house, he started prospering..

Your thread question is Can A Real Child Of God Be Broke? Lazarus answers the question perfectly.

LordReed:
It isn't impossible. Some Christians want to go to war in the middle east because they think it will be the precipitation of the end times.

Lol, how many Christians do we have in the Middle East, not to talk of influence? You are saying something very negligible and more of a fantasy. There is no known Christian alive that wants war in any part of the world.

And so what?

Another month, another weekend, same folly. Stop living in the past. What book have you written today and where have you developed despite being Binta? Rubbish. You civilized Europe and make your own home a shithole.

NewSoul:
What has Lazarus got to do with my post

Lazarus was broke to the teeth, was he a real child of God?

A charlatan in definition.

NewSoul:
Please I need answers. Why are most Christians poorer than the average human( atheist and Muslims). Did he not say he'll provide all our needs according to his riches in glory . Did he not say the children of the righteous shall never beg for bread but we see children of the righteous begging for biscuits. They beg for children school fees etc from those that they claim got their wealth from Satan e.g yahoo boys, musicians (yes they worship illuminati as most of them believe) , politicians (that siphon public funds). The Bible said Christians are supposed to be lending to many nations but must can't even give out ordinary 2k to one that's in dire need.

Did God not say he'll reveal deep and secret things to those that are close to him?

In 2011 Bitcoin was $3.50 that was about N500. N20,000 in 2011 would have gotten gotten one 40 Bitcoins. NOW in 2021 bitcoin is worth over N25 million. 40 × 25 million= N1 billion therefore setting you and family out of poverty for life.

Was there no one worthy or deserving of this revelation? No poor Christian as at then was righteous enough for God to reveal this secret and liberate him from poverty? Or he showed some and they didn't take it serious. If you know of any such person that took such step let us know...

Ask Lazarus.

LordReed:
Bwahahahahahahahahaha! There is no atheist who is rich from selling atheism on the contrary there are loads of people rich from selling Christianity and more so than any other religion.

I am referring to people who in their positions of power could precipitate dangerous situations because they feel they are bringing about some prophetic fulfilment. Can you imagine what would happen if Saudi Arabia became a world super power on the scale of the US and some Hitler-esque Muslim leader was in charge deciding a worldwide jihad to bring about Islamic domination was a reachable goal.

Like i said, it's next to impossible to have that danger with Christianity.

aviara:
A lady I am trying to preach the gospel to doesn't want to listen. She is requesting I have sex with her before accepting Jesus as Lord and saviour. Can I grant her request for the sake of the gospel?

Don't be unfortunate. How do you equate your fornication to vaccination?

Ceenachi:
Dear Pastor just go and get vaccinated without long sermons. Medicine is God's creation, God gave man the wisdom to develop medicine and cure diseases. PURE & SIMPLE.

Only God knows the kind of pastors we have in this Nigeria

I still remember vividly that pastor E.A. Adeboye said that for over 30 years he has been living by divine health. He said that he hasn't been taking drugs or injection. I strongly believe he has been effective in propagating gospel for those years, but reading this got me thinking deep.

This is the same way Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo has been conversing people to be vaccinated.

Christ alone is our hope...

Did you read at all? He said he could take it not because of sickness but to avoid restrictions to his preaching.

LordReed:
How can I debunk your statement when there is nothing to debunk? If you had agreed I also would have recorded myself speaking in tongues so that we can compare how different or similar they are.

Someone tells you "I have a golden toilet" you ask him for a photo of the toilet and he tells you "nope I am trained to not take photos of toilets". You then tell him well too bad I don't believe you and he says why don't you debunk his statement first. Did he give you anything to debunk?

How are you showing off? Is there a prize to be won or is this for bragging rights? You are proving what you said as correct where is the commandment that says you shouldn't do so?

1 Corinthians 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

i guess this is what he is trying to say. If he can't interpret, he's to speak to himself and to God. He's not even supposed to speak up in church not to talk of to an unbeliever or public forum. The funny thing though is that most who disobey and still speak in church will suddenly be shy to speak it to you.

LordReed:
I just hope that we are able to stem the tide of religious madness so it doesn't drive us to extinction. The way some of these people are going they could precipitate some dangerous conflicts that end us all.

We've continuously had to stem the tide of atheistic madness as exhibited through people like Stalin and Mao and the crazy godless laws that keep coming up and hurting the world. There's very scarce records of people dangerously misbehaving because of the Bible. Certainly other religions, yes. But you can't obey the Bible or attempt to obey it and be a danger to humanity like we've seen atheism and other religions. People can use the Bible manipulatively to make money or for control(power) but it's easier in other religions and atheism.
A Bible and religion that teaches you to have the Spirit of God and the fruits of loving others, forgiveness, making peace, being faithful in your home and place of work, living with hope and joy. If that's what you refer to as dangerous and ending you, you really don't know what you are talking about. There's no morality better than that found in the Bible, no quality of life better, no eternity better. All you can hope for is play around some couple of verses that only you and a few others decide to misrepresent.

BeLookingIDIOT:
Behold the xtian morality

And where has your own morality led us? Immoral people making clownish claims about morality. It's innate in man to want to be godly and show he's moral so i expect you will attempt to display superior morality, but we need to look at it critically. You are just another sinner in dire need of a Saviour.

LordReed:
As in it's truly bewildering.

All have sinned and come short of the glory of God, this is a perceivable fact.

LordReed:
It's not written in the bible that's why he doesn't want to believe it. LMAO!

The Bible is not a geography textbook, it is your open map to Heaven for anyone that thirsts.