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petra1:
I don't get you here sir



Correct, our ministry did too and host of others. I would advocate a national fast if not for our disunity.

So why insinuate that others did nothing but ran for cover simply because they did not televise what they did?

If you study about him . He's a documentator. He keeps every record of his life.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hz34DULV8M
You may fast forward to 6:09

Oga documentation is different from show off. Many people document their lives and actions in different ways. That for instance is why you see Biographies and Auto-biographies. Evidently those lives were documented. Posting stuff online like a teenager on facebook is not the same as documentation.

There is a difference between a Fast for intercession and a Fast for equipment .

Jesus is wiser than everybody. He did not say WHEN ye fast for equipment, or WHEN ye fast for intercession. He said "when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 
Mat 6:17  But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; 
Mat 6:18  That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly. 
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

The above passage is unfortunately a description of what TB does habitually.

They didn't allow me in. Despite the fact that I told them Ebola had been healed by God through me. So They could have invited him. After all they allowed potiliticians and also allowed musician . They didn't want a cure . They wanted number to increase they eveil generated fake figures for WHO money

They don't know you na. They know your pastor and senior pastor TB. If your pastor or senior pastor TB go to Aso Rock, they will likely have an audience compared to you.

There is difference between praying over the sick and ninistrying to the sick. Praying over the sick is more of intercession with hope . But minisyrying to the sick is cure. If somonwnis cured it is very evident . He knows and everyone knows . The Medical personnel and those who got healed while watching his telecast prayer . Got healed instantly they vomited it out and was free.

Not so, not every healing goes with theatrics or vomitings. Some people do not even testify after being healed. Anybody that recovers is cured, isn't it? There is no clear way to know. TB should work on the over 40million deaths globally, not the 800,000 corona related deaths. Let him prove his mettle with more clear cases, not cases that even believers will not believe.

For me ,even if its only one person that got cured from covid I am still cool with it . Let it be on record that God healed covid 19. Thats politically good for Gods kingdom. Like David said to Goliath . "That the world may know there's a God in Israel "

It is already on record that God heals. God does not need TB to be put on record as Jehovah Rapha. Many people have received healings through different mediums and ministries for Covid 19. It is not TB's show that will set the record. He came late.

I had a personal holy anger against the insults on Gods people. And I prayed that even if its only one or few cases . "Let Covid 19 be disgraced " if not Christianity is Fiasco. I know that many ministers were taken in by the propaganda on TV and social Media which brought lot of fear .Same way Goliath terrified Israel Army . But the word of God gave protection and dominion. We ought to remind ourselves.
Christopher Orji was the first minister to cure covid 19 though prayers online and then Tb and others became embolden . To me . If their testimonies are political. Its good politics . Their saved the face of faith. And efficacy of prayer .

Covid19 is not disgraced unfortunately. Instead, some people like your pastor and now senior man TB have made others laugh at the church with their wild theories, too much talking and off tangent prophecies. Those who are afraid of corona are still afraid all over the world(christian and non-christian). Those who are careful and sensible about corona are still careful and sensible all over the world(christian and non-christian). Those who are foolhardy about coronavirus are still foolhardy all over the world(christian and non-christian). i don't know any Orji but i just searched the name on goole and saw he is from TB too. Birds of the same feather. So you are saying he emboldened TB. i guess Indaboski probably emboldened Orji then. You go look for who emboldened Indaboski, then i'll also look again

Summary, pastors/ministers should not play politics with anything, including coronavirus. It is not their calling.

kingxsamz:

You should consider retrospection, sober reflections and meditations.

Xmuslim:
it's good you agree that your jehovah is a bigger thief. Now prepare for your journey to hell fire because your imaginary Yahweh is so impatient that he would throw you to eternal hellfire for calling him a bigger thief

As is becoming your custom, you miss the point. You are the thief defending himself in court by the excuse that there are bigger thieves than him. You are only making claims to defend your crime. The claims are unreasonable and invalid. Nobody is talking about the correctness of your excuse but the absurdity. You cannot defend yourself or excuse yourself from crime by claiming that there are others or worse out there.

kingxsamz:
Lol, exactly.
Sadly people don't think these days.

Bros be trying to think na, THINK. Spiderman is a product of the 60s, 19th century fictional character. Nobody claims or argues otherwise. There is overwhelming evidence and even name of the creator and history. If you unearth anything spiderman, it will definitely point in the direction that it is a fictional character in comic books, then later cartoons and movies. You can actually think for God's sake. Why be foolish all round?

Xmuslim:
agreed. But I'm more morally upright than your imaginary Yahweh and jehovah

Lol, a thief defending himself in court by the excuse that there are bigger thieves than him.

kingxsamz:
But conclusions that a donkey and snake talked simply because a 2000 year old book said so isn't far fetched?

We were not discussing that. Howbeit, they would be far fetched if they were said to be NORMAL occurrences and not SUPERNATURAL(miraculous) occurrences.

kingxsamz:
Okay.
What's more far fetched? Existence of Dinosaurs, or talking donkeys and snakes?

The descriptions, conclusions and age of animals over millions of years from a speck of material unearthed is more far fetched than the pictures on the OP. Are you drunk again? Stay focused.

kingxsamz:

Watch how people display their stupidity on this thread.
These same folks who have refused anything that has to do with millions of years would jump on this to claim that it validates some books about talking snakes and talking donkeys.
What some mofos don't know is that certain stories in the bible are based on real places that were present at the time it was written.. Same way the spiderman movie is based on a location, New York. But sadly, people don't think.

Bros, i don't have any joy or interest in all these so called discoveries. They do not increase or reduce my faith because my faith has a far better and bigger solid resting place. But these pictures are far more reasonable and believable than 3Ds and one teeth lookalike that tell us the name, size, shape, best food, name of wife and siblings, who they fought with and who they forgave etc of dinosaurs 50million years ago. It's a far reach don't you think?

Dtruthspeaker:
Translation! "wetin you want make I talk afta dis? Ok, I go insult am make e for no know say wetin e talk pain me well well!"

. Just seeing this, but you said the unpleasant truth.

Xmuslim:
scare not . I also don't care if there is after life or not. All I know is I always strive to do good. No fair and just god will punish me for not accepting religion due to lack of evidence.

You cannot do good. It is like a dog always striving to speak English. It's sincere strivings are still a FAILURE. You are 100% corrupt. A liar, an adulterer, a blasphemer and a covetous filthy sinner.

kingxsamz:
You mean the planned death?
Was it not his Father that sent him to die for everyone's sins? So how was he killed for telling the truth if it wasn't planned in the first place that he should be killed?

You forget to note that He would have died from infancy then. Or when they wanted to kill Him so often and He was said to have escaped. Speak sensibly please. Can you say this cuckoo in a logical reasonable courtroom? That someone is not killed because it was planned? For people who accuse God and the Bible to be without logic and reason, one would think and expect they were any saner than their accusations.

[quote author=kingxsamz post=93615175][/quote]Ehyah, sorry. All you need is wait for your time, get married and legally enjoy your wife. You don't need to throw away your life because you want to enjoy sex and the associated sins.

[quote author=kingxsamz post=93613927][/quote]Are those the pleasures that keep you hoping that there is no God?

letu:
Imagine this one thinking that he or she have see it all to call it madness, okay take this one.

Over to you Donnie, i think your disciple has arrived fully.

petra1:
Not exactly



I believed The body of christ has been given authority over sickness and works if the enemy. I personally felt embarrassed at the lukewarm role some ministers played in this covid 19 saga. I had thought this is the opportunity we have been looking for to disgrace the devil and show the world there is a balm. I thought this will cause last hour revival and salvation.

I was vexed in my spirit. That I decided to go to a covid centre in Lagos to minister to the sick .

While some ministers ran for cover. TB joshua went on mountain top to Fast and intercede . When he came back he began to minister online and asked for the broadcast to be aired in isolation centers. Many cases were healed . He was not the only one. Other ministers began to do same . I was proud of them . Because the gospel is not in words but power.

Why covid 19 ? Because it was used with all the conspiracies about it to reoroach God. It was political. And it eventually God digraced . So in my opinion we should commend the courage of such ministers

NOTICE the part that i put in BOLD. IT IS POLITICAL. Very important. Wisdom is to act accordingly with that knowledge that it was political. BTW, TB televising a fast does not mean he is the only person that prayed or fasted during the period of the pandemic or prayed concerning the pandemic. You don't need to advertise your prayers or fastings for it to be valid, or do you? It is not okay that a whole Jo would come to the conclusion that everyone else has not done well by not televising their fasting and prayers.

Now, since you know that the situation at hand is political, you ought to thread with caution and wisdom except you are a politician yourself. There are three things i would mention why TB's request is irrelevant and even laughable to the average unbeliever.
1. TB knows and any intelligent person knows that the government cannot send or release patients of any kind of sickness to any private or non-governmental organisation or religious body for that matter. He is only playing to the gallery. No nation in the world will be so unreasonable. So you mean a government should just make a law or whatever and send people to juju houses or cele church or mosque or synagogue at the request of the owner? Nothing stopped Jo from going to isolation centers, TB should be as decisive as Jo.

2. We all know that even if the government could someone be so crazy as to grant that request, they cannot stop the patients from continued use of whatever medications they were using. So how do we know the exact ones that TB heals and the ones that medicine help or the ones that simply recovered? Which brings us to the obvious third reason.

3. Over 40million people have died in the world this year. Compared to the over 800,000 that have being said to die from Corona virus. Jo, common, TB should exercise his authority and disgrace the devil with these over 40million deaths, not look for cheap popularity with 800,000. Now, we both know that over 19million people have recovered from Corona virus which has no cure or vaccine. We are sure that it was not TB's fastings that got this people recovered. In fact, some of them never prayed or believe in God. Everyday, people recover from Coronavirus in every country. So if we send them all to senior man TB, how do we determine the statistics of natural recoveries and the ones healed by TB? You just want the real laughter and mockery to begin by this proposition. TB came late to the party, the other time i think he gave date of March or so for Corona to be gone. He has no revival to offer please.

chimdi101:
I hope you saw 'either' and 'or' in my statement.
Well, I would choose that he doesn't exist.
What are you choosing?

Of course i know that He exists. So you cannot say He is nonexistent and the same time killing babies. A nonexistent person cannot kill or what do you think?

chimdi101:
It's either he kills babies or he doesn't exist

Pick one. You cannot reasonable pick the two. Can someone be nonexistent and still be killing babies?

petra1:
Because this period . its covid 19 Men and satan seem to use as reproach to the body of Christ.

Jo my man. You're here in defence of senior pastor. You were saying when we are reproached as the body of Christ, we should pick the reproach. i would think every sickness remain a "reproach" and there should be no discrimination. Heal the reproaches of terrorism, corruption, incompetence and unrighteousness bedevilling the land would be more suitable for the Body. Coronavirus is not too traceable as per where the healing or recovery is from. People are recovering as generally as waking up from sleep.

Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

2 Corinthians 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Hebrews 10:33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.

Hebrews 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

1 Peter 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

No Bible verse says that God supported polygamy. He condoned it. From the beginning, it was not so.

Why not all the patients in the hospital sir? Why only coronavirus patients? People recover from coronavirus every day without any medicine or cure. So when they recover now, na Emmanuel TV will claim and do interview tempting the man of the synagogue to lie na. Not wise. If you want to help, get all the patients. Or start with all the blind.

ezugegere:
A sensible man would know the strength and weaknesses of his wife and try to understand with her. Some women enjoy cooking, even if you ask them to cook for hundred men, they'll be happy doing it. If your wife is not that type, understand with her. Don't compare your wife with your friend's wife!

i guess that the comparison is with his mother. You know those mothers dey cook every month for village meeting.

emmyileri:
I have issue with your church not your wife. Why are you guys pretending to be who you are not. It doesn't make any sense to me, does cooking food foster unity among yourselves. Please suggest other things.

Exactly. They can't spend 20k but they want to eat. Is it by force to do love feast. Can't they do vigil?

royalfly:
Abeg shut up... abeg sorry o but u Dey talk rubbish.. what is enslave in just cooking and cleaning, the guy offer to help... I don’t understand o. Watch this woman will do worse things in future.. if she refuse to help the man wash his clothes no problem but to cook my dear even whites host friends all the time and just like the guy wanted to do help each other. You could see the man grilling the meat while the woman cuts the veggies as the case maybe.. onyinbo life nor go kill una.. even the onyinbo is retracing their steps while Nigerians are blindly running forward to nonsense.. now I know why this country is like this.

There are underlying problems in the marriage which the Lady is reacting to. Who knows how many nos the man has said to the woman only to bring this undiscussed unwarranted meeting up. Who knows how many faces she does not want to see talk less of cook for. This is 2020, even pikin now has some say in the family. You can't just go and finish discussion and party with church members then come back home to order your servants to carry it out and entertain your bros in the lord.

Gantofi:
So to cook and perform one of your wifely duties is trauma now, . I feel for your husband or perhaps future husband if you aren't married cos this is the height of rebellion.

If I were the OP I won't say anything again no need forcing her but I will make sure she regrets it one way or another

Wow, take it easy oga head of the family. The head doesn't have to be a burden or cause ache or be too big for the body. There is a foundational problem in why the wife does not want to go all the way as host. Is it by force to host world cup? Which height of rebellion. Did she stop cooking for him or the family?

SirMichael1:
Hello Good afternoon Familanders. This is very long, so please bear with me.

I’ll start from the root. Well, in my church, there’s usually a committee for the married men where most times we can proff er solution to the issues or need of the church members and other times organize get together monthly within us (married men) just to foster unity. Since we're like 20, different men host the get together. Therefore, it's spaced out for 1year and 8months.

It all began last Sunday when I was chosen to oversee the next get together which comes up this Sunday after church. When we (my wife and I) got home after church, I told her about it and she immediately asked, “who would do the cooking”? I was taken aback as the question sounded strange. I replied her saying, since she did the cooking the last time, I figured she’d do it this time.

She got angry and said there’s no way she’ll be going through the stress of cooking for 18 to 25 men and that I better know what to do concerning who’s going to handle the cooking. I tried to calm her down and reminded her of how I assisted her in the kitchen by pounding the yams while she made the soup -two soups actually and that I was going to help her this time. Yam is quite expensive so we’re not pounding this time, just Semo.

She remained adamant and said there was no way she would do anything, that the work stressed her so much and she won’t partake in any cooking and that I better go find anyone to do the cooking. Thing is, I understood the fact that the work was stressful for her because she was 5 months pregnant then and it was her first time.

Yesterday at work, I kept pondering about a solution and a thought struck me. I called her from work and asked her, "how about I get one of the women at church to offer you support?". She blatantly refused and still held on to her words.

My mind hasn’t been settled since morning because I got hold of a caterer and she told me that she’ll charge a thousand naira per head, that is approximately 20k. Truth is, the get together came at a wrong time and considering the prices of drinks, the cost of the food stuff, meat, ingredients, etc. I really can’t afford a caterer right now.

I’m at a cross road now. I don’t know what to do because it’s causing a rift between us. I thought of bringing a church member to assist on that day without informing her so she wouldn’t surprise me and leave the house but I fear that if she comes, my wife might not join her in the kitchen and the woman will begin to feel a certain way (thinking of how ungrateful we are). Then again, who will purchase the food items? I’ve just been confused. I really need insights.

Note: I said I'll help her make the swallow, she just needs to make the soup.

Mr Michael, why must you people cook or meet at all. Why not shift the meeting to another venue if you must meet at all? Is it pride? So you are ready to use your church group to put your wife asunder? You are looking for cheap and free labour from your wife. Can you ever pay your wife like you would pay a caterer to cook for your group? She's only responsible for cooking for you and your family, not for all these unnecessary meetings. Work on your relationship bro, your wife is not a servant in your house.

donnie:
You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.

Wow, Russians spent trillions to hide this? They must have had some money miss road do that. Who uses trillions to hide pictures if not Russia. Now we are free since Donnie released this picture.

donnie:
As the light of truth shines, darkness disapears.

Black Egyptian enslave Black Jew with black mind, picture taken and posted by black Donnie.

kingxsamz:
The hell is this Clown talking about?
Seems like you're having a hard time comprehending.
Awon follow follow, "my god is good".
god wey dey slaughter people pikin. Abeg.

But He does not exist, no? You forgot?

donnie:
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I'm not posting on nairaland for people like you or the other ignorant Christian. Y'all are only interested in wriggling your way through, trying to make yourselves happy in paganism.

YAH's sheep are already hearing his voice and waking up from lies. They will not follow the voice of a stranger.

Black black sheep right? Donnie sounds like a total stranger alright.

CAPSLOCKED:
YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT CHILDREN BORN INTO JUST CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM HOMES, BUT THERE ARE MANY MORE RELIGIONS. AS OF TODAY'S COUNT, THERE ARE AT LEAST 3,000 OF THEM THAT ARE KNOWN AND WIDELY PRACTICED.

DO YOU NOW SEE HOW ALL OF US ARE FUCD?

The gate is narrow, few of us are not in trouble. You hate to hear it when we believers tell you that you are all in trouble. But here you are inspired to see it, good for you.

CAPSLOCKED:
LEST I FORGET THESE PICTURES HAVE BEEN UTTERLY DISTORTED. I WATCHED A DOCUMENTARY ON THE SHROUD ON ETERNAL WORD A FEW WEEKS AGO AND THE REAL SHROUD IS NOT EVEN AS FAKE AS WHAT YOU HAVE HERE.
GUESS YOUR SOURCE HAD TO INTRODUCE PHOTOSHOP IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE FAKENESS OF AN ALREADY VERY FAKE RELIC.

See this lazy fellow dismissing things from his TV, armchair critic. It is similar to those armchair analysts on the two sides of the political divide. It is very easy to play any side. Government is not working, very easy to play. Government is working, very easy to play to. The question is when you will come out of your playground and know the truth for yourself instead of I was told on TV, yet you hypocritically nail those who believe what they were told by others.
Come out on the field if you are really up to it.