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Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by Image123(m): 11:29pm On Jul 02, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
So you accept evolution?
If it says that man was not created by God but was once an ape or something along that line, i do not accept such rubbish. i think that is pretty short and straight forward enough.
i do not recall not accepting evolution, although there are many silly ideas like the one stated above.
Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by Image123(m): 11:27pm On Jul 02, 2016
ValentineMary:
Simply put, it came from the Bible. Of course,
the Bible doesn’t say explicitly anywhere, “The
earth is 6,000 years old.” Good thing it doesn’t;
otherwise it would be out of date the following
year. But we wouldn’t expect an all-knowing
God to make that kind of a mistake.
The Bible no where gives or implies the age of the earth. This is where you should have stopped your post.

God gave us something better. In essence, He
gave us a “birth certificate.” For example, using
a personal birth certificate, a person can
calculate how old he is at any point. It is similar
with the earth. Genesis 1 says that the earth
was created on the first day of creation (Genesis
1:1–5 ). From there, we can begin to calculate
the age of the earth.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


Which of the verses above talks about the age of the earth or its birth certificate?

Let’s do a rough calculation to show how this
works. The age of the earth can be estimated by
taking the first five days of creation (from
earth’s creation to Adam), then following the
genealogies from Adam to Abraham in Genesis 5
and 11, then adding in the time from Abraham
to today.
Adam was created on day 6, so there were five
days before him. If we add up the dates from
Adam to Abraham, we get about 2,000 years,
using the Masoretic Hebrew text of Genesis 5
and 11. Whether Christian or secular, most
scholars would agree that Abraham lived about
2,000 B.C. (4,000 years ago).
So a simple calculation is:

5 days
+ ~2,000 years
+ ~4,000 years
~6,000 years

Unless u say the bible is wrong, then I agree.
You are the wrong one. The Bible says nothing about the age of the earth. Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
That beginning is not the beginning of Adam(the human race) described in the rest of the chapter. Any real scholar knows this, smh for your copy and paste.
Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by Image123(m): 10:41pm On Jul 02, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
Please define speciation.
Why? i agree with your definition.
Christianity Etc › Re: Anxiety Disorder Or Juju?? by Image123(m): 10:39pm On Jul 02, 2016
Lilbrown007:
This A Real LIfe Story Lemme Just Summirze It:
My uncle Was dating one Girl[Edo Girl] We All Have Heard About Edo And Their Witchcraft Myth..... He used her n Then broke up with her Then she sent a text To Him That If anything Should happens to him Thats Its his fault , then shortly after That , his right leg started paining him, three hospitals diagnosed meds n they dint work He Had To Call The Girl And Beg Her But She didnt Listen until they Took Him To a traditional healer In The Village After Narating The Ordeal To The Herbalist The herbalist Conculed that It Was The girl dah Was Responsible And Was Later Treated By The Herbalist....

Since I Dont Believe In This Spiritual Stuff I Wanna See If They Is Other Explaination To What Happened This Event Just Snaped..I Need The Professionals..

cc:
johnydon22[scientist]
cloudgoddess[biologist]
Decker[scientist]
hardmirror[Ex-Pastor]
ValentineMary[scientist]
Otemanuduno[Otem]
Winner01[Trouble Maker]
E.T.C
There are many explanations, just like there are many counterfeit currencies. i've skimmed through the rationalisations/explanations of the other fellows. There are evil spirits, there are God's angels, and there are human spirits. Christianity teaches that man is a spirit, that has a soul and lives in a body. Because of sin, how spirits(primarily us) are "dead" and usually inactive. To be alive, there is need to be BORN AGAIN, that's essentially what gets born again. For the human spirit to be active is another matter. You do not have to be born again or a christian for your spirit to be active, HOWEVER IT IS ADVICED that you are. Just like we all have 'natural'abilities and talents in our body and brain, even so, there are people who are naturally active in their spirits. Like in the body, someone may have natural tendency to be fat or fast or huge. One can also TRAIN the body in these. Also, with the brain or what is usually called soul, some people are naturally brilliant, some have to work harder to be. In the spirits too, some people are more sensitive naturally. They see dreams, enter trances, have dejavus, have sharp intuitions etc almost naturally. Some develop them through meditations, prayers, fastings and other such trainings. In the spirit realm, there are many evil spirits there no doubt, and that is where real witches, juju and wizards operate. They are very real and can cause harm. In the spirit realm of course, we also have God who is a Spirit, and we fellowship/commune with Him there.
There are counterfeits to these things like coldreading, psychology and other gimmicks. Your uncle might have jammed a real winch, and could have been easily cured in the name of Jesus. He may also have been affected by his own mind and spirit, everyone's mind and spirits are very powerful and with great potential.
Christianity Etc › Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Image123(m): 10:22pm On Jul 02, 2016
Lilbrown007:
And Yes I Just Did My Research And Found Out That Jesus Did Exist But His Name Was Yeshua And Not Jesus!! If U Noticed I Changed The Title Of The Topic To "Jesus Christ"
Bla bla bla, next time do proper research before coming to confuse the gullible like you. It is common knowledge that Jesus is Jesu in yoruba, and Yeshua/Joshua meaning SAVIOUR in Hebrew. God the Father is also the same One referred to as Jehovah or Yahweh or YHWH.
Christianity Etc › Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Image123(m): 10:19pm On Jul 02, 2016
Lilbrown007:
Yes, there is historical evidence that Paul was a real person. He is the author of 1 and 2 Corinthians, 1 Thessalonians, Galatians, Romans, etc. As far as I know, no reputable scholar denies the reality of the person Paul. He is credited by historians for being the chief architect of the spread of Christianity to the Greeks in the Roman Empire. Even hard line skeptics such as Robert Price and Bart Ehrman agree that Paul was a real person and that he wrote at least some of the books of the New Testament.
So, you believe that Paul existed because some people said so? Okay.
Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by Image123(m): 10:16pm On Jul 02, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
Speciation? Do you now accept the evolution theory. Or is it the normal blind copy and paste from answers in genesis. How do you manage to say ''speciation did it'' and ''God and Noah took care of it'' in the same post?. Why did sin not stop?
What is the evolution theory again? If it says that man was not created by God but was once an ape or something along that line, i do not accept such rubbish. i think that is pretty short and straight forward enough. i do not remember the last time i was at that site, is that they way you usually copy and paste into your thoughts? i do not recall God saying that sin would stop, the flood was to punish sin not stop it.

Ranchhoddas:
He has to be born again and close his eyes and ears to all the glaring irregularities in the bible. He also has to be ready to part with a tenth (or more) of his money. Thanks.
No, he simply has to be born again. EXCEPT a man be born again, he cannot must not and will not see the kingdom of God. QED. Were you ever born again? If you were not, you cannot really say that you have tried out the faith.
Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by Image123(m): 10:28pm On Jul 01, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
I told you to spare me. Because I know you are going to say I did not do not do it the way you did it.
If you didn't do it the way i did it, your guess is very good. YOU DIDN'T DO IT. Verily verily I say unto you, EXCEPT a man be born again, he cannot must not and will not see the kingdom of God. QED
Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by Image123(m): 10:22pm On Jul 01, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
How does claiming these things make them more real than say reincarnation or Mohammed's chariots or any other claim out there?
It makes them DIFFERENT, you are changing the goal post shamelessly.
Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Scholars Lets Discuss Eternal Security by Image123(m): 10:20pm On Jul 01, 2016
petra1:
Thank you for your response. I will appreciate if you can throw light on this issue.

Is salvation a one time experince ? Or does a Christian lose salvation each time he sins, and has to get saved again.
i'm on phone, dey talk say i no serious. You guys will have to wait oh,seems gombs don't appreciate one liners.
Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by Image123(m): 10:17pm On Jul 01, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
He knows. Actually I was born into it... Spare me upcoming sermon.
Please, please, abeg tell me, oh please. hehehehehehehe. Were you ever a born again Christian?
Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by Image123(m): 10:14pm On Jul 01, 2016
ValentineMary:
Really? The guy who compiled the bible (Augustine of Hippo) calculated the age using genealogy. So he came to the conclusion that if Adam and Eve were the first people, then the earth is 6,000 years.
Again, The Bible no where gives or implies the age of the earth. Who is hippo in the scheme of things again? another assumption by you, it's reported one Bishop Ussher that made that claim. Any Bishop can say any rubbish.
Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Scholars Lets Discuss Eternal Security by Image123(m): 9:48pm On Jul 01, 2016
Gombs:
Image123, I disagree with you.

You wrote and implied that a Christian looses his salvation anytime he sins, and if he asks for forgiveness, he receives it back, and if he does sin again, the cycle continues.


My question is, was it forgiveness of sin or remission remission of sin that gave us salvation?


If your answer is the latter, how many times is one entitled to remission of Sin?

Thank you.

Bible references will be greatly appreciated.
The two, Luke 24:47
Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by Image123(m): 9:44pm On Jul 01, 2016
ValentineMary:
Please don't tell me u take the story of Adam and Eve serious? From the bible creation story, the earth is 6,000 years. But we found rocks as old as 3 billion years. Ofcourse the creation story is false.
Here's another one forming intelligent based on assumption. The Bible no where gives or implies the age of the earth.
Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by Image123(m): 9:42pm On Jul 01, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
I tried your own and I found nothing. Over to you.
Which one is his own?
Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by Image123(m): 9:40pm On Jul 01, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
How EXACTLY has it been proved false. Specifics. No vague answers please. Maybe I'll learn something new today.
Slow down, you didn't speak under duress. You said Islam tells you Exactly the same thing as Christianity. This is after i mentioned the resurrection. i later added forgiveness of sins. What is more specific than that? I'll list it for you, only you, lol.
1. THE RESURRECTION.
2. FORGIVENESS OF SINS.
Christianity Etc › Re: Who are the real Fools, Christianity Is Just One Of MANY Beautiful Ladies by Image123(m): 9:32pm On Jul 01, 2016
HardMirror:
Do you know what contradict even means?

He was only asking me to spread my love to islam too.
Don't be quick to talk when you don't understand what you read.
You contradict your OP which says there's nothing special about Christianity while spending a major part of your life and interactions worried to death about the Christian faith. Don't talk at all so as to reduce the concentration of foolery in the air.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by Image123(m): 9:28pm On Jul 01, 2016
HardMirror:
So why can't we find some penguins in the northern hemisphere? At least the distance is shorter than going all the way to the south. Do you know how many years it would take a clumpsy penguin to walk to the southern hemisphere? It would have reproduced so much that many penguins would have gone north instead and some even stay back in Mesopotemia. How come no kangaroos in africa even though they would thrive well here?
You're still on this rant? i thought i told you earlier that penguins are aquatic animals. Anyway, enjoy the sand, you need it.

Politics › Re: Lagos To Jail Street Hawkers From July 1- Ambode by Image123(m): 9:16pm On Jul 01, 2016
This is sick and very anti-people. Those officials are simply empowered to legally carry out more illegality.

And who repairs "49 buses were actually destroyed and it is costing us like almost N139m"? This is day light robbery of public funds. How much do new buses cost? Some damage may just be broken side mirror or doors.
Politics › Re: Buhari Hasn’t Apologised To Senate – Presidency by Image123(m): 8:54pm On Jul 01, 2016
This Ita Enang guy might be a Modu Sheriff in APC. It's the same way he caused needless controversy during the budget presentation saga. And to imagine he used to be chairman of a Senate committee, very bad.
Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by Image123(m): 4:14pm On Jul 01, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
They are all claims. That your claims appear to you to be more preposterous/fantastic than the other does not make it less untrue. Your 'reasons' aren't good enough. Try harder.
i don't need to try harder, it's not by force to go to heaven. You asked me essentially why i'm a Christian and not another religion, and why you should be like me. You implied that every belief is essentially the same, that has been proved false. If you need forgiveness of sins and an afterlife in God's kingdom, the way is Jesus Christ. It doesn't get simpler. Without faith, you're going no where close.
Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by Image123(m): 3:32pm On Jul 01, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
The two of you claim that if I adhere to the words of your respective holy books, I'll be rewarded in the afterlife. Failure to do so will earn me an eternal torture. Tell me why I should accept yours and not his.
i already did, giving you two reasons.
Christianity Etc › Re: Who are the real Fools, Christianity Is Just One Of MANY Beautiful Ladies by Image123(m): 3:28pm On Jul 01, 2016
Lilbrown007:
Hard Mirror Take M Easy Na When U Go Start To Bash Islam??
Lol, even a fellow atheist sees the OP is contradicting himself.
Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by Image123(m): 3:09pm On Jul 01, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
You know what I mean. Stop being disingenuous
i don't know what you mean oh. You are asking me for the difference and insisting there is no difference. i point out two marked differences. Be polite enough to acknowledge it.
Christianity Etc › Re: FROM FAITH TO Facts:collection Of My Thoughts, Experience & Sojourn In Religion by Image123(m): 3:03pm On Jul 01, 2016
dankol:
[b]CHAPTER THIRTEEN CONTINUED

The church I attend is a very orderly church in terms of hierarchy and in fact some posts, to me seems unnecessary. For instance, some person’s duty is to go round local churches to drum church dogma/doctrine into people’s ears, another has the duty to go around and do revivals. Whatever! One day, we were told in church to convene at the State headquarters to attend one of these Revival. The revivalist goes from state to state to perform his divine duty as prescribed by the church. So it was our turn to be visited. Well, as usual, the donation/Seed sowing bell will never stop ringing with massive response from brain-washed individuals. I am someone who hates to go to an event late, I would rather not go than be late.

So, at the place of Revival, when this man entered the church, he walked in majestically to the sit, knelt down to pray, stood up, went up to the alter to collect the microphone. He said, with anger in his voice, “Why is the church scanty like this, are they not aware of my coming. Pastor! did you inform your subordinate pastors?”. The pastor replied in affirmative. The revivalist began to preach. He is more like a critic anyway. He criticized everything that was done, and that publicity was not enough for the program. That one no enter me o. Until, he began to verbally attack people. Now he was also one of the pioneering pastors of a local church in that town. And was so lucky to have risen far above others.

So he was not happy with the state of things knowing how he left things and now that he feels things get worse. He was calling names, he would say, “Dagunro (pardon, its an example oo not real names)! Stand up, come here, you did not see me when I entered right, why did you not come to collect my bible? You are a bastard son in Christ! I was the one that made you a minister, look at how ungrateful you are.” And several other persons were being bashed, and he would narrate how he helped them and ask them to sit in front sit where he can see them. But the most painful one that got me angry and so mad inside of me was a woman. This woman is one of the gentlest persons I have ever met on earth. Her children all grown up like me, were my friends. But she was so unlucky that day. What happened?

She came in while the revivalist was pouring his venom on some dude. When he raised his eyes, he just summoned her, “Come here, Dairo! Everyone see another bastard in Christ. So you have the guts to come to a program am involved late ehe. Where is your stupid husband? I was the one who would shelter you, take you to the hospital when he would beat you to pulp. I paid some of your children’s fees. You, Ingrate. I thought you should have been a Senior Pastor by now. But it is obvious since I left, You all have been stagnant in the faith. Dairo! yours is the most painful, come here” Even Pastor C, was not left out in the bashing oooo. He asked her to wait on him by the pulpit. She stood there till he finished his message. She was crying profusely. I have never in my life see a woman broken like that. At a point, he threaten to beat her with his belt as he tried to remove it. (I know many of you will not believe this part of the story but it is the truth. So many others have seen worse). Her case was so painful because, her children were there watching her being treated that way. OVER MY DEAD BODY. I can never let it happen to a relative, how much more my mother. I will beat that pastor to a pulp and take myself to the police station. Even if you are the Vicar of Jesus.[/b]
Obviously, such a revivalist is not a biblical Christian, you don't even need Holy Ghost to know this. None of this makes one to lose faith in God if one knows God.
Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by Image123(m): 2:54pm On Jul 01, 2016
felixomor:
Thank God another person is pointing out your wrong calculations.
Still waiting to hear "sorry for the wrong calculations"

I will not be surprised if it doesnt come
Afterall, atheism and pride are children of same mother.
Don't expect much from a sinner. Hes looking for a convert. Once he realizes Tashen is a waste of his efforts, he'll avoid him like a plague.i should be into forecasting oh.
Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by Image123(m): 2:45pm On Jul 01, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
My Moslem friend Toyeeb tells me exactly the same thing. Just that he replaces Jesus with Allah and Muhammed.
And he told you that Mo resurrected or forgave his sins?
This tactic of atheists pitching one religion against others to divert from issues is boring, nonetheless i will give only you the grace.
Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by Image123(m): 2:12pm On Jul 01, 2016
HardMirror:
This is interesting so at what point did the digestive system of carnivores change and why? Why do carnivores have large canines that are suited only for killing prey?
Very convenient for you to make unfounded claims just to defend your belief. The chinese believe Panku made the earth from an egg. How will you feel seeing them making excuses to prove that that myth is true?
How will you feel when Yorubas start making excuses to prove that Obatala dropped from heaven with a snail shell filled with sand and a chicken. He poured the sand on the earth covered with water and dropped the chicken to spread the sand around the world. How does that myth sound to you?
But a strong yoruba traditionalist will tell you that all nations came from Oduduwa.
Are the stupid to believe the things they believe?
Think!
Ranchhoddas:
You and your people that come knocking at my door on sundays.
i did not tell you not to, but i get your point and the central pain in the heart of atheists. That is the question of WHY GOD and not so and so.
i will simply tell you that God is the One, and the way to Him is Jesus. You are free to try others, but i will not fail to inform you of the consequences. It is like asking me the road to the National Stadium, i will simply describe it and tell you how not to get lost. i will not force you to obey my directions. That's it. Jeus Christ resurrected BTW, others should go and try it(for those desparately looking for difference).
Christianity Etc › Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by Image123(m): 2:07pm On Jul 01, 2016
joyandfaith:
you are wrong. jw is a faith based organization. jw believe in miracles recorded in Bible but do not believe the so-called miracles of many churches today. there is biblical basis for that. Faith does not mean believing in anything without reasoning. in fact bible encourages reasoning. jw are dogmatic about their beliefs.
We are saying the same thing except for the portion striked out.


Are Faith and Reason Incompatible?
“FAITH is a negation of reason,” writes British philosopher A. C. Grayling. His words sum up the feelings of countless writers and philosophers who over the centuries have claimed that faith and reason are incompatible.
Some religious beliefs do fly in the face of all reason. But consider this: Many strongly held scientific beliefs have proved to be wrong. Does that mean that all scientific beliefs are wrong or are not based on reason? Why view religious beliefs any differently? In fact, the faith described in the Bible does not exist without knowledge but is, instead, solidly based on knowledge and sound reason. As you review the evidence, see how true faith and reason are compatible.
Faith Firmly Based on Reason
The Bible says, for example, that if your worship is to be “acceptable to God,” it must be “a sacred service with your power of reason.” In other words, you must worship God “in a way that is worthy of thinking beings.” ( ; The Jerusalem Bible) So the faith described in the Bible is not something blind and irrational, or a leap of faith, as some have called it. And it is not credulity. Rather, it is something you have thought through carefully—resulting in trust in God and his Word, which is firmly based on reason.
Of course, if you are to reason properly, you need accurate information. Even the most powerful computer programs designed on solid principles of logic will come up with some very strange conclusions if they are fed inaccurate data. Likewise, the quality of your faith will depend greatly on what you hear or on how dependable the information you feed your mind proves to be. Appropriately, the Bible says that “faith follows the thing heard.”—
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A fundamental requirement for faith is “an accurate knowledge of truth.” ( ) Only “the truth,” says the Bible, “will set you free,” free from misleading beliefs, whether they are scientific or religious. ( ) The Bible warns you not to put faith “in every word.” ( ) Rather, it says that you should “make sure of all things”—or test out the things you hear before believing them. ( ) Why should you do research and test out your beliefs? Because faith based on falsehood is only a delusion. Some noble-minded people from the ancient city of Beroea set a fine example in acquiring proper faith. Even though these individuals really wanted to believe what Christian missionaries taught them, they made a point of “carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.”— .
Building Faith in the Bible
What, though, if you are unsure of the reliability of the Bible? How can you build your confidence in it as a source of accurate knowledge? Well, how do you build your confidence in people? Surely, it is by getting to know them—by watching how they behave over a period of time and seeing how their conduct turns out. Why not do the same with the Bible?
The Bible describes true faith as “the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.” ( ) Clearly, far from being naive, a person with real faith has based his beliefs on a careful scrutiny of all available data. Reasoning on such information produces the conviction that even things that cannot be seen with the literal eye are, nonetheless, realities.
What, though, if what you learn seems to contradict some of your deeply held beliefs? Should you just ignore it? Of course not. There may well be times when it is eminently reasonable to consider powerful evidence that appears to contradict what you believe. In the Bible, God promises to reward sincere individuals who search for truth by granting them knowledge, discernment, and thinking ability.— .
The kind of faith built on what the Bible teaches is compatible with reason. What kind of faith do you have? Many people have “inherited” their religious beliefs and have never seriously examined them in the light of reason. Yet, it is not a sign of disrespect to examine what you believe so as to ‘prove to yourself’ that your thinking is in harmony with God’s Word. ( ) The Bible admonishes us to “test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God.” ( ) If you do that, you will be in a position, even when your beliefs are challenged, to “make a defense before everyone that demands of you a reason for your hope. 1 pet 3:15

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102011016
Brother abi na sister, i do not have the time currently for back and forths with links, a lot on my plate sorry. The person i addressed has read my address, thank you.
Christianity Etc › Re: FROM FAITH TO Facts:collection Of My Thoughts, Experience & Sojourn In Religion by Image123(m): 2:02pm On Jul 01, 2016
dankol:
3. A few more events shooked my faith terribly but I still stood my ground. I will narrate them one after the other but not necessarily sequentially.

There was this pastor, ok,let me call him brother F, cos he is no longer a pastor. because not up to one month of assumption as a pastor of my local assembly, he was removed. Why? Because he is said to be involved with two women. At first, when i got to know, it was likea joke, but it dawn on me. I had to make enquiry on why the church will have to take such unchristian decision. yes it is unchristian because, everyone has a past that we do not like to remember. But the church had to use brother F's past as a yardstick to prevent him from serving as a Pastor.
Every church has their style of administration and structure just like any sane establishment or ORGANIZation.

What was his offence? Brother F was a committed member of a very popular holiness church before he join us but he left because he was decieved and was trapped into a marriage with a mentally unstable lady. I will not like to discuss the modus operandi of the church with respect to marriage but by the time brother F realize his folly about "GOD'S WILL", it was too late. he got to know of his wife's predicament at the delievery of his son when the lady in question began to misbehave and almost killed herself and the child at birth. He was so angry that, he had to leave the church because he was betrayed by the same people he trust with his life called "Pastor or Men of God". he found out that, it was an arranged marriage as the parents of the lady were very influencial in church and the lady was due to be sent off, so they had to collide with the MOG to look for a gulible suitor to wed her off. Infact, according to him, the sham marriage was 80% financed by the bride's family. So after that event, he left the church but along the line, he found another lady all by himself devoid of any external influence, impregnanted her, and brought her into his house. He did not pay her dowry untill after two kids from the new wife. LOL, i no blame the man. Once beaten, twice shy.
You judged based on a one sided story, i am sure the other side would have their own story to tell. i am sure the man must have told his church that the woman was the will of God for his life, he had prayed, seen vision, blabla and was prepared to be with the woman in sickness and pain until death. He made the vow rashly, whose fault?

He was told to restitute, i.e. go back tohis first wife and leave the second one. Hevehemently refused. I was shocked to hear about that kind of restitution. it is one of the dumbest thing i have heard. Restitute oyour marriage. I came to realize, the church so much believe in restitution that they are blind to certain facts about it and it implication on the christian faith. That there are things that CANNOT be practically restituted. How can a rapist restitute?
How can an assasin restitute?
Mind you, we need to know what restitution means- To restore to initial, or original manner or to it proper owner.
So how do you restore a dead man back? i.e for an assasin to effective restitute his ways. Please don't tell me that story of him going to the family of the person he killed and ask for forgiveness. That is actually sucide mission in disguise.

There are things that can be restituted and there are things that cant be restitutedin the actual sense of the word.

So, i began to ask, if i have to restitute for all my wrong doings, then what is the purpose of knowing jesus? Why did he die?
If i still have to restore/compensate for my wrongs? Mind you, he died to cleanse me from my sins including the ones i ought to restitute, so if i restitute, i got no sin for him to cleanse me from

And if this dogma of restitution is true, seriously, noone is going to be as near as a 100km close to heaven (if such a place exist). becasue, frankly, you cant remeber all your wrong doings, neither can you restitute for all of them. it is an unrealistic dogma.

So, on that basis, he was condemned by the church to be unfit to preside over a church.Because it is a church dogma. Mind you, the child from the first marriage is with himand his new family. That incidence almost made him lost his faith but he kept on anyway but never active since then till date. I did felt bad about it. it was an unfair judgement on an elect of God from my point of view.

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Restitution simply means making wrongs right, and having a conscience VOID of offence before God and men. Wisdom is important in carrying out restitution. You lack a proper knowledge of what restitution entails.
Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Scholars Lets Discuss Eternal Security by Image123(m): 1:55pm On Jul 01, 2016
Okay, sorry for the delay, here i am. i don't feel the "teach" mode i wish though. cheesy cheesy cheesy i'll try to keep it brief and simple, i think i will fare better with answering questions perhaps.

petra1:
Is there such thing as eternal security
What is eternal security
From scriptures, there is nothing like eternal security for man. Eternal security refers to the teaching that once a person is saved or born again, he cannot be a sinner again. He is forever saved, and whatever he does does not affect him, as he is seen as Jesus Christ by God and his sins have been completed paid for. Something along that lines, forgive my unteach mode.
Jud 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Can a christian sin
Yes, that is why we have an advocate in the first place. IF we sin.
1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


Can a christian lose salvation
Certainly, what else is implied by been forgiven our sins?
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

i do not think anyone is saved who has not been forgiven his/her sins. IF we confess our sins, He forgives it. In converse, IF we do not confess our sins, He does not forgive it.

Can a christian lose salvation by committing a sin.
Yes, a christian can lose salvation by committing sin. Unfortunately, many of us give ourselves the duty of condemning others, and many times do not know what sin is. For instance, consider this analogy. People say/think that if you disobey God, you have sinned and you are going to hell. This is not entirely true depending on context. While it is good and great to always obey God, not all disobedience of God is sin or leads to hell or condemnation. Our obedience to/of God ensures that we get the best that God wants for us in the big picture. When we disobey God in some matters, it does not necessarily mean we have sinned in the sense of going to hell. There is a sin not unto death as it were.
Luk 7:13 And when the Lord saw her, he had compassion on her, and said unto her, Weep not.
In this verse above, Jesus told a widow not to weep at her son's burial. If she disobeyed for instance, i do not think that will be a sin or will make her lose salvation or go to hell, but she is apparently disobeying God. However, there are some disobedience and evident sins that separate us from God automatically, most of which are severally listed in scriptures. A christian loses his salvation if for instance he rapes somebody or goes into witchcraft.

Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.



How many times can a man be born again.
This question more or less feeds logic. We are expected to consider the irrationality of the posit, while in real fact been born again itself defies logic even if once. We die daily, or at least Paul did, so it goes to show that spiritually such a transaction is feasible many times. It is like bank transactions, they are limitless. It is like metal detection mechanism, it is not about the person or material's innocence but the presence of the metal. Once the metal(sin) is there, the conveyor will stop, or the door will not open. While Jesus abides with us and will never leave us, it is possible for us to leave Him. Rather unfortunately, Jesus is not a possessive spirit like the evil spirits who will possess their victims against their will.


[color=Purple]2 Timothy 2:24-25
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;[/color]

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Questions.
Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by Image123(m): 1:28pm On Jul 01, 2016
realmindz:
Pls jst ignore that miserable atheist, we need to resist this devil and move closer to our loving jehova for protection. See the bible verse below for proof;

Amos 3:6
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? Shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Understandest thou what thou readest?

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