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Politics › Re: How EFCC Almost Arrested Aisha Buhari’s Impostor – Ribadu by Image123(m): 10:15pm On Jun 22, 2016
lordkhalifa:
then let her go to US and prove her innocence cheesygrincheesy the guilty are afraid
so Fayose is the one to direct her life or what? The said Aisha is not wanted in the US for any crime BTW. Try and read and stop allowing thugs like Fayose and dropout like Lere think for you. You went to school bro. Obong Victor Attah, former governor of AkwaIbom state is the Aisha's uncle. He's in Nigeria, maybe you can ask him to confirm.
Politics › Re: How EFCC Almost Arrested Aisha Buhari’s Impostor – Ribadu by Image123(m): 9:45pm On Jun 22, 2016
lordkhalifa:
then if she not the one, why is she panicking huh



Bull-hari is dirtier more than entire PDP members come together
Not everyone ignores false accusations. Why does NOI write stories about them wanting to spoil her name anytime she is accused. Do you think she's panickinghuh
Politics › Re: How EFCC Almost Arrested Aisha Buhari’s Impostor – Ribadu by Image123(m): 9:42pm On Jun 22, 2016
idensko:
U re laying an ambush for some1 u re yet 2 c,

While Atiku and co are roaming freely.

Hiah!!!!

9ja we we dey.
Duh, the case was thrown away by the corrupt PDP as it involved big wigs, it is not currently under investigation. One step at a time, let's face the arms probe own that is open and very fresh.
Politics › Re: How EFCC Almost Arrested Aisha Buhari’s Impostor – Ribadu by Image123(m): 9:38pm On Jun 22, 2016
opius:
U ve not done anything

(1) Aisa Buhari said she is 45 and not 47 as ur investigation reveal

(2) The so Call Aisha buhari is wanted in US so she did not testify otherwise she would ve been arrested
Wanted for what if I may ask?
Politics › Re: How EFCC Almost Arrested Aisha Buhari’s Impostor – Ribadu by Image123(m): 9:35pm On Jun 22, 2016
TonyeBarcanista:
ON THE CONTROVERSIAL HALIBURTON AISHA BUHARI:
Having done my independent investigation, I came to conclusion that the said Aisha Buhari is an impostor and not related to the Wife of the President. These are my reasons;

1. The said Miss Aisha Buhari claimed to be the daughter of General Muhammadu Buhari and not the Wife of General Muhammadu Buhari.

However, Buhari in 2006 had denied having any daughter with such name. According to him;

“I don’t have any relationship with that Aisha Buhari,” Mr. Buhari said. “I don’t have any daughter called Aisha Buhari living outside this country. She is not my daughter.”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/business/yourmoney/29lobby.html?pagewanted=all&referer=

2. The said Aisha of Haliburton was said to be in her middle age as at 2006, while Mrs Buhari is 47years of age as at now.

3. The Haliburton Aisha was said to have testified in the Haliburton case in the USA in 2006, there is no record that Mrs Buhari ever appeared in USA court to give any testimony.

4. Former EFCC Chairman and PDP Chieftain Mallam Nuhu Ribadu that handled the case had confirmed that the fraudulent Aisha is not the daughter of Mr President and has no relationship with him.

5. A Google search on the image of haliburton Aisha reveals no semblance with Mrs Aisha Buhari.
Also, Buhari wasn't in good terms or in camp with the likes of OBJ and Atiku until around 2014/2015. Buhari who divorced his wife reported for collecting money from IBB. How then will his wife be involved with Atiku OBJ that he was challenging in court to Supreme court level. Anyway we look at it, Fayose makes no sense. Lamorde and Ribadu aren't helping him either.
Politics › Re: Oil Exports On Course Despite Militants’ Attacks- Vanguard by Image123(m): 3:42pm On Jun 22, 2016
The FG had better deny this if it is untrue. i wonder why they pay their numerous media aides and advisers for doing nothing. i don't want to hear low revenue due to avengers attack during FAAC meeting oh, Adeosun.
Christianity Etc › Re: Paul Kalanithi: Why I Gave Up On Atheism by Image123(m): 3:07pm On Jun 22, 2016
Antiparticle:
Religion was psychologically soothing when humans had little knowledge about the mechanisms behind the workings of nature, and as a result most humans historically were religious. Scientists, mad men, murderers, good people, bad people, etc in Western Europe were almost all associated with the church because they either truly believed in the Christian god or they were culturally Christian.
While people have been christian for many selfish reasons in different ages till date, there is no truth to suggest that they were almost all christian in Western Europe. Christianity was a state religion in many places and that made it popular, but they were not almost all christian at any time, except you do not know what christianity is.

Back in those days, I probably too would have been Christian because we (humanity) didn't at the time have enough information and freedom to debunk the Bible's claims. Now we know that Adam and Eve are invented stories (see evolution). Now we know that the resurrection story, virgin birth, miracle claims, and more are complete bullshiit. We now know that nature fundamentally is well ordered and can be rationally described mathematically. This is why a much smaller fraction of scientists today are Christian than four centuries ago.
There are professors and intelligent people who are still christian today. Being christian is not PRIMARILY a thing to do with intellect or science or intelligence. Evolution does not disprove Adam and Eve in any way. Nothing is yet to show that the resurrection story, virgin birth, miracle claims, and more are complete bullshiit. All that is talk, a lot of noise.

As a matter of fact most of western Europe today is majority unreligious! A majority! Also, a large fraction of Silicon Valley engineers and innovators are straight up atheists. Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook) is atheist. Sergey Brin (Google) is not religious. Bill Gates (Microsoft) is not religious. Our own Seun Osewa (Nairaland) is atheist. As a matter of fact, according to the Pew Research Center, a much smaller fraction of American scientists believe in god/gods compared to the general public! The Pew Research Center is a credible polling organization, as opposed to the random cherry-picked Facebook posts that @winner01 keeps copy and pasting. I am a physicist/engineer and I live in a western country, and it is the rare exception to meet a religious person at the researcher level in the pure sciences (such as physics, evolutionary biology, etc).
It is a rare exception to meet a terrorist who is a true christian too. What exactly are you saying? The fact is that birds of the same feather tend to flock together, however, there is no sphere of life and influence where you do not see acclaimed religious people. They are everywhere, rare or not.

The more scientifically advanced a country becomes, the less theistic it becomes. This is why the west has gotten more irreligious over the past century. This is inarguable fact. @winner01's correlations about the religion of medieval age scientists is just what it is, correlation without causality. I can come up with outrageous correlations associating religious people to mass murder (and there's a whole lot of proof for this), hypocrisy, and obstructionism towards science but there's no point doing this. What matters is that his religion is false and he can't defend it so he has to resort to ad hominem attacks and weak correlational arguments.
It is also in the Bible, duh. People tend not to trust in God but in their power and ability when they have it. There are so many warnings on that in scriptures, BECAUSE that is the tendency. It is not strange.

@winner01 says I should tell everyone why I need people to not believe in God, well he is Exhibit A for the damaging effects of religion. Religion makes it difficult to distinguish fantasy from reality. Religion dulls rational thinking. Certain Christian ideologies promote discrimination and hate (e.g. homophobia towards gay people, racism towards arabs, prejudice against people of other religions, slavery, etc). Christianity causes people to waste their time on ineffective activities (praying & fasting, sowing seed offerings which is a total scam, wasting intellectual capital twisting science to fit the Bible, etc). @winner01 is probably an otherwise talented individual, but with Christianity he has to expend intellectual capital twisting reality to fit the fantasy of the Bible.
Religion did not do all the listed to Sir Isaac Newton, find another excuse. No christian ideology promotes hate BTW. Atheism makes people waste their very soul and eternity. There are many talented people all over the world and successful people who CLAIM that some god/God is the source and reason for what they achieve. Being christian doesn't make you untalented or whatever rubbish you are saying.

In short, theism is an anachronism that is past its expiry date. That scientists today are significantly less religious (given that we now know a lot more about the universe) than they were in the archaic Middle Ages shows the fatal flaw in @winner01's logic and arguments.
blablabla. Some fellow said this many centuries ago, he's dead, gone, forgotten, and of course in hell.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does God Not Heal/help Like He Promised? by Image123(op): 2:34pm On Jun 22, 2016
AnalyticEngine:
Paul even explained to apollos the difference between water baptism and holy spirit baptism. More over, scripture says we are saved by grace through faith so we may produce fruits in keeping with repentance. I have prayed for people and obtained results which I now know better to be coincidence. The same faith I have to heal headache should be able to cure HIV and heal an amputee. But no. The only people who give testimonies are people who had stomach ache, head ache or one 1 million dollar contract which was clearly as a result of their hardwork, diligence and sometimes lobbying skills etc. Why not someone without eyes or leg. Why not someone with bow leg?
Jesus moved about preaching and healing all kinds of diseases. Christians today preach because it is easy. They don't heal people as they go on evangelism. The last evangelism I went for was a complete embarrassment. The prayer unit department (holy ghost annointed) gathered round a deaf dude for 12 hours praying for him to receive healing but guess what? He didn't! If only for once we could adopt a tabula rasa mind, think and ask questions, all these myths will not prevail.
But you recall when Jesus'disciples could not heal somebody? Jesus went ahead and healed him. That your prayer team could not heal should not hinder the gospel. Not everyone is a worker of miracles, or commanded to be. It is the CHURCH as a unit, the body of Christ that does greater works, not each individual.
1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does God Not Heal/help Like He Promised? by Image123(op): 2:30pm On Jun 22, 2016
AnalyticEngine:
I had to stop living a lie. Let's call a spade a spade. How many times have u applied all the biblical principles and received results? When we don't receive result, we say it is because of our lack of faith or sin...or God in his infinite knowledge has a reason. If there is indeed a God, then we have a distorted view of who He is.
Bible principles is what i have been using to live my life for decades and it has been working. What are you on about?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does God Not Heal/help Like He Promised? by Image123(op): 2:28pm On Jun 22, 2016
GeneralShepherd:
The reason atheists continually demand regeneration of an amputee's limb as the ultimate proof of divine healing, is simply because it is scientifically impossible.

Among the plethora of amputees across the world, surely God will find one worthy of such a miracle in the future but till it happens, I remain an atheist because most miracles can be explained when placed under proper scrutiny.
So if it becomes scientifically possible tomorrow, you will stop demanding or what? You have no reason at all. How many amputees do you know among the so called plethora?
Politics › Re: Ambode Recontructs Apapa Oshodi Expressway by Image123(m): 1:48pm On Jun 22, 2016
Here's the challenge. We see Ambode this, Ambode that, just like Fashola all on social media and conventional media like metro, sReporters, Premium T, punch, vanguard, dailytrust etc. But after Ambode leaves, we will here that he spent millions of naira on one unknown website that supposedly showed nobody anything. Why?
Celebrities › Re: Olajumoke Orisagunna Puts Her Flawless Face On Display by Image123(m): 1:40pm On Jun 22, 2016
MadCow1:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3869701_jumy1_jpeg49a0fd42aa3684cb06eb0f8af5732651

This is not Jumoke.. angry
i hope not, it will be unfortunate and a wrong move to turn her into an object of sexualization.
Politics › Re: Zenith Bank's Letter Restricting Fayose's Accounts ( SEE LETTER} by Image123(m): 1:06pm On Jun 22, 2016
You mean Fayose fixed over 1.2billion naira of stolen money in zenith bank? O boyyyyy. Even if the rate is 2% per annum, that's over a million naira per month without other legal and illegal income. And he's going on solidarity strike.
Christianity Etc › Re: Paul Kalanithi: Why I Gave Up On Atheism by Image123(m): 10:32pm On Jun 21, 2016
HardMirror:
There are hundreds of well established pastors, evangelists etc who ended up being atheist. All I can say is, I sought the God with all my heart, I tried real hard not to give up on all the years of my assumed relationship with God, but in the end I had to yield to reason (common sense) for to believe in God, you have to allow your emotions make decisions for you and not your common sense.
Liar oshi, mention twenty out of these hundreds of Well established pastors/evangelists. When you sought God with all your heart, you found Him. That was when you were saved, baptised and gifted,remember? When you sought for what wasn't missing with the serpent is when you went down like Eve.
Politics › Re: Precious Chikwendu Storms Out Of Court, Judge Fails To Appear by Image123(m): 9:16pm On Jun 21, 2016
ENDTIMEISNEAR:
Why Buhari and his Efcc Boys not Prosecuting the Sponsors of Apc 2015 Campaign Funds?

Chibuike Amaechi, Rochas , Fashola , Tinubu , Rochas and those Apc Corrupts old men .

Why is EFCC Hurting only PDP's? Buhari Dullard says he's fighting corruption , why hurting your Opponent TYRANT DULLARD
The PDP funds trace their source to funds for national security, meant to fight boko haram but diverted.
Politics › Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala At World Economic Forum In Geneva, Switzerland by Image123(m): 1:28pm On Jun 21, 2016
Pavarottii:
She is d brain behind WEF coming to West Africa, not just to West Africa but to Abuja, Nigeria.
Explain this sir.
Politics › Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala At World Economic Forum In Geneva, Switzerland by Image123(m): 1:24pm On Jun 21, 2016
TrueSenator:
Custody for doing what? That's how you go about celebrating wrong moves....... That's all you have against her... Hatred. undecided undecided undecided undecided undecided
i said IF the FG had her time, context. You claimed that FG was busy hating her, remember. She could be in custody for anything, like the others Metuh, Dasuki etc. i didn't say she'd be convicted BTW, stop hating.
Family › Re: Agonies Of A Child Born Of A Wicked Mother by Image123(m): 1:10pm On Jun 21, 2016
Over to you HardMirror. These are some of the realities of life and the wickedness people face that defy logic and only science. OP, i decree your wife is set free in Jesus' name. Because He only makes you free indeed.
Business › Re: Who Has Been Able To Buy Dollar At The Inter Bank Rates Of 253-260 Today? by Image123(m): 12:55pm On Jun 21, 2016
stagger:
To add to this:

The news commentary had it that at yesterday's trading, banks were just BUYING dollars and were not selling. So there was heavy dollar demand and that is why the interbank rate, which opened at N253 or so, started sliding towards N288 to $1. Bidding was going on and you know how bidding or auction processes go: the price keeps going up so that the highest bidder wins.

Had the CBN not intervened to offer dollars for sale at a rate of N280 to $1, believe you me the US Dollar would have been sold to the entity that was willing to pay N382 to $1 and we would have woken up to see rates at close to N400 to $1.

I tell you, we are yet to see the last of this and I am seriously wondering what the appropriate value of the Naira would be. I don't know if CBN will continue such interventions on a daily basis. Other central banks hardly intervene unless they have to. Bank of Japan has performed 3 interventions in the last 8 years or so.

Something will have to give. It is either the country's economic fundamentals are changed so we can become a net exporter (which means the government has to QUICKLY AND MASSIVELY invest in critical infrastructure like power to boost small scale production and manufacturing for export), or we just watch and allow the Naira to fall to the precipice.

We should look to Venezuela for serious soul-searching. That country produces crude oil like we do, wasted their oil money like we have done and had to devalue their currency. Now inflation is so high, that the people are starving and queuing for food. The situation in Venezuela is now so bad that people are breaking into stores, looting food and provisions and anything they can find to survive. The Venezuelan Army is now guarding retail establishments and escorting food trucks to distribution centres and markets. Critical situation in that country which reminds me of the ESSENCO lines we had in Nigeria in 1984/1985. Guess who was president then?

May we never get to that point ever again.
The problem here is no policy will work normally as seen in textbook or research. This is due to corruption in the mode of hoarding, both speculative hoarding and saboteur hoarding.
Business › Re: Who Has Been Able To Buy Dollar At The Inter Bank Rates Of 253-260 Today? by Image123(m): 12:48pm On Jun 21, 2016
damola311:
Scam policy.... Scam Government
Stagger's explanation is good and clear, but note that the figures are assumed and speculative. The point of the policy is to bring/bridge the gap between the parallel market and the official rate/previously figure head interbank rate. Also to reduce round tripping, and to find the 'true' value of the naira. In months, if policy is stable, these objectives will be achieved. Nobody promised or stated that this policy will make 100naira to a dollar.
Politics › Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala At World Economic Forum In Geneva, Switzerland by Image123(m): 12:28pm On Jun 21, 2016
ifyalways:
Was she the EFCC boss?

Who are the looters? How many have been caught, tried and convicted in a competent court?

O dikwa egwu.
Is it the efcc boss that adviced and approved the looting of the so called Abacha loot? Is it Buhari or efcc job to convict people, are accused looters not in court?
Politics › Re: Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala At World Economic Forum In Geneva, Switzerland by Image123(m): 12:24pm On Jun 21, 2016
TrueSenator:
Why not look beyond politics for Nigerians sake..... She is busy revamping other economies in this same oil doom but FG is busy hating her...

PMB act wise undecided undecided undecided undecided undecided undecided undecided undecided
What economies are those, mention the countries. She's only good on paper. If FG had her time, she'd be in custody.
Christianity Etc › Re: EXPOSED! How Satan, Demons, Witches And Pastors Are Destroying Lives! by Image123(m): 5:15pm On Jun 20, 2016
HardMirror:
Paul is right on this, and it is a smart move on his part. Knowing fully well that when people like me discover the lies, there is no possibility of brainwashing us again except we want to pretend and play along (just like many pastors are doing presently for monetary gains). Only babies in christianity are "redeemable", because they always think there is an extra mile they can go in discovering god. The bible god does not exist. I have done all that is possible to find him, all I did was find myself and I called myself GOD!
It is all in the mind, the miracles, the holy spirit, sense of salvation, gifts of the spirit, are all in the mind. We find ourselves and our abilities are heightened in the self delusion of the reality of what we read and are told.
This is most myopic, you haven't seen anything. Signs and wonders are more than the little taste you had with Word of Knowledge. Its you indeed, mr god. see who's deluded.
Christianity Etc › Re: EXPOSED! How Satan, Demons, Witches And Pastors Are Destroying Lives! by Image123(m): 5:12pm On Jun 20, 2016
HardMirror:
Will soon open a platform for people to report promises of miracles, violation of medical advice due to instructions from pastors and false publications of miracles which would lead to lawsuits.
Eeyah, anyway that's why you are a sinner. i thought for a few seconds that you had some big lies and facts to present against Jo, and he openly asked you for proof. Only to come with this whining, rubbish. Go and sleep jare, unserious person.
Christianity Etc › Re: EXPOSED! How Satan, Demons, Witches And Pastors Are Destroying Lives! by Image123(m): 5:07pm On Jun 20, 2016
HardMirror:
Don't forget that whatever a man sows he shall reap, God cannot be mocked (galatians 6 I think verse something)
And don't forget the warnings to the 7 churches. You can be saved and an sin deny you of eternal life. Jesus said in Revelations 2 to the Church in Ephesus that who ever is victorious shall be given the right to eat from the tree of life. This shows you have to earn this right. If not Jesus won't have threatened in the verse before that he would remove their lamp if they did not repent and return to their first works. Works is integral in salvation.
Same with soul winning, if you don't win souls and you think you will make heaven, you are the biggest fool of all, for God shall Cut you off the tree (Himself). Holy living cannot be negotiated. It has to become your lifestyle. If you fault in one law, you fault in all.
So I don't know where the doctrine comes that once saved you are always saved.
God still speaks through the dumb donkey occasionally like He did in Numbers, oops. The Same God.

I for one I am proud to be a candidate of hell if my rejecting the bible means going to hell.

I have come to know beyond any doubt that heaven and hell according to the bible are based on myths and traditions of many cultures older than adam himself (many don't know that religion is about 30,000 years old now, adam is just 6,000 years ago, so why should I take the bible serious? Lol)
Don't be ridiculous mr.You have come to know ko. Tell me how you know for instance that hell tradition is about 30,000 years old. Watch the unserious fellow run off.
Christianity Etc › Re: EXPOSED! How Satan, Demons, Witches And Pastors Are Destroying Lives! by Image123(m): 5:01pm On Jun 20, 2016
OLAADEGBU:
Eternal security means once saved forever saved. Now tell me, is HardMirror forever saved? undecided
Lol, i wonder oh. How do i put stuff in one line like this, instead of my long post sef? wink wink wink wink
Christianity Etc › Re: EXPOSED! How Satan, Demons, Witches And Pastors Are Destroying Lives! by Image123(m): 5:00pm On Jun 20, 2016
Joagbaje:
It takes grace to accept wrong .
Earlier thought to ignore this post and allow you have your last word, but later had to find time to reply so that you do not misunderstand my stand cheesy cheesy cheesy After this, i will ignore perhaps, as my point has already been made on the thread, being the reason why you find it hard to believe the OP. If you still insist on talking your variant of eternal security with me, maybe you may open up a thread or continue a similar thread, like the ones you claimed to have discussed over and over with me. Just make sure to mention me thanks.


What crap ? So each time a christian does something wrong he looses his nature and has to get born again again? So do you get born again everyday?
You do teach that one cannot lose the nature of righteousness, that is the established point. That is why you find it hard to believe that HardMirror was a christian. Your teaching falls flat in the face of evidence, simple. If you want to ask me logic or rational reasoning, invite me on a thread dedicated to it. You know that i'm around na.

just leave that alone. your action was an embarrassment to the blood. It is so sad that it's on a thread of an umbeliever this is taking place. A sworn enemy of the church . Who initially I saw as a redeemable soul until he proved otherwise. A man who attacks the very faith you stand for , and the next thing which could come from you it to be castigating your brother before sinner . " don't worry I am holier than they, My church is better than theirs " before a sinner . Hope you have won his approval now.?
An embarrassment to the blood, what does that even mean? Don't just bring up high sounding accusations, come down to our level bro, i no hear big grammar. BTW, HardMirror is redeemable, nobody is irredeemable until he is dead. Only that his chances are so slim. That's the 'beauty' of grace. Also, i did not castigate(criticize or rebuke somebody or somebody's behavior severely) you. Not at all. i only explained your position, since the guy was doubting if you had the Spirit. And there is nothing wrong with correction, in front of anybody, though there is need for discretion. i say that last sentence generally. i never said or implied my church or holiness being better than anyone else's. i mentioned your church because it is common knowledge, we all know you preach and spread your pastor's messages, here on the forum. Finally, i do not need his approval, he himself knows. BTW, HardMirror, why on earth have you been avoiding moi like a plague? angry angry angry Don't offend one of dem little ones oh.


Same thing . Dwelling on semantics . Losing nature,soul are all same thing.
You missed the point again, it is not semantics. You say a christian cannot lose his nature of righteousness, the OP lost his. This is the simple point presented in various forms, formats, sentences, pixels.

Desert the body of christ brother . You don't judge your brother before a sinner .

1 Corinthians 6:1
Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
Which one is "Desert the body of christ"? Anyways, i did not JUDGE you, i only stated the facts which you seem to agree to. The fact is your teaching keeps you from believing the OP. Also, i did not go to law for Jesus' own very sake. Do not misapply that verse sir.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Christians Are The Most Evil Sect On Earth Above All Religions. by Image123(m): 4:28pm On Jun 20, 2016
LawFight:
.please brethren jesus christ didn't create hell o.we dont know who created hell.
You should say "I don't know", don't say that we don't know. Jesus Christ created hell, who else? satan?
Christianity Etc › Re: Shocking! Photos Of Top Pastor And His Gay Partner Hit Internet by Image123(m): 10:30am On Jun 20, 2016
HardMirror:
Na seasonal movie, episode by episode. Next week could be a pastor that impregnated his mother.
Or an atheist that killed himself.
Politics › Re: The Maritime University At The Centre Of Renewed Niger Delta Hostilities-AFP by Image123(m): 2:14pm On Jun 17, 2016
What's in ground oh? Na swimming pool dem dey take start maritime university? After spending 17billion naira?
Politics › Re: Ibe Kachikwu Visits Maritime University Site Today by Image123(m): 12:31pm On Jun 17, 2016
Can we see 17billion naira?
Christianity Etc › Re: EXPOSED! How Satan, Demons, Witches And Pastors Are Destroying Lives! by Image123(m): 11:06pm On Jun 16, 2016
Joagbaje:
Image claim I teach eternal security . These are two different things . Eternal security teaches there are no consequences to sin . You can live as you like .

I teach that righteousness as a nature is a gift . You can't lose that nature because you did wrong . If you Sin . You repent of it and ask for forgiveness and move on.
We are saying the same thing, you are just dwelling on semantics. Your teaching that one cannot lose the nature of righteousness is a variant/branch/offshoot of eternal security. It is this same teaching that i explained to the OP as the reason why you have issues disbelieving him. HardMirror lost his righteous nature tey tey, not only did he lose it, he even lost himself, his soul, ven his friends etc as he himself confessed like a witch recently. Simples, no point missing the point.

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