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MuttleyLaff:
You simply just caught Image123 going through one of his indifference moments, that's all
and so shouldnt have had to form humble on him with this post nor waste away the ''Have a great day sir'' nicety on him

Have a great day sir is not a waste, i need it.lol.

Ranchhoddas:
They are both morally acceptable. I ask again. Is wearing of earrings immoral or not?

It's a non-essential issue really. It has nothing to do with the subject matter of SALVATION. If you think otherwise, lemme see the Bible verse, thanks.

Goshen360:
Yes! He or she remain saved. The GIFTS and CALLING of God are irreversible/irrevocable.

This post is not addressed to me and i believe my good brother has taken care of it in response, but its gotten about two or more of my mentions so lemme comment briefly. Refer to this for this portion.

2. The verse you quoted has nothing to do with being saved now, because the same corinthians ARE ALREADY SAVED but was wallowing in sin because of their background and environment.

Salvation is not for groups, the individual is saved. Paul rebuked the fornicator referred to, he was not saved.

3. The only thing that can make a christian loose his or her salvation is by denouncing the one he or she is in, that is THE LORD.

You say ONLY like you are the one in charge of the gates of Heaven. Or is the book of life inside your phone? On what basis do you speak?

4. Sins doesn't UNBORN AGAIN a Christian. Sin and sacrifice for sins had been dealt with and paid once and for all times. When Christ returns, he's not returning to come deal with sins or sacrifice for sins no more....SAYS THE WORD OF GOD.

Where?

5. Ask yourself, does every sin or sins you committed but didn't even know it was a sin UNBORN AGAIN you?

Ask the Bible instead, you could be wrong, you know?

6. Paul, didn't pamper the sins of the corinthians and we are not supposed to pamper sins in the church of Christ but Paul NEVER implied the Corinthians loose their salvation because of sin and later regained it back, rather he was hard on them and they REPENTED....that's what the verse you quoted is talking about.

What was their sin?

7. The word "save, salvation, saved" are used to mean different meaning within its context. You cannot just lift bible verse from its context just because it mentioned save, saved or salvation, you have to follow the contextual meaning. That's one of the damages or error Image123 committed in his first response.

Okay, for instance?

Ranchhoddas:
The bible is the source of your objective morality. Is wearing of earrings moral or not?

Lol, i will come back to this. Anyways, the Bible is better than your source which you said is YOU. Is it moral to wear a green dress or a red dress?

Ranchhoddas:
Noah, Shem, Ham and Japheth are Hebrew names. Stop being disingenuous. And how many years ago did this flood take place?

Noah and his family were not jews. The flood took place during the time of Noah. Were you ever born again?

HardMirror:
Smh
Indeed you aint that bright. You just lack capacity to reason.

I agree with him because he was able to show that the story does not have to make logical sense. It is all based on miracles. Correct mathematics does not explain miracles. Mathematics can't explain jesus feeding 5000 men with just 5 loaves of bread. so don't think you are making sense here and claiming my maths is wrong yet you want me to call it a miracle. The 2 don't go hand in hand.

So yes I will agree with anyone who gives a sincere miracle explanation and the fact that the story is silly and implausible to the intelligent and can only be believed by the foolishness of blind faith. Then you are on track. Anything else like many have you have tried proving the bible makes sense, only exposes your desperation cos you end up saying things the bible even never said.

HardMirror:
I don't know how acknowledging the sincere man who came up with the miracle explanation translate to me admitting my maths is bad. Image 123 does not worth anyone's time.

Look at this fellow oh, smh for you. What then is the purpose of your thread, about the information guaranteed to make people with common sense throw their bibles away? You are saying the miraculous angle is what you have been waiting for all along? You do not know what you want/need evidently. i'll tell you what you need, JESUS. He is the only one that satisfies the longing soul, and He still says to come unto Him, all that are weary and laden with such madness as yours. He promises rest again. Were you not the same fellow supposedly Debunking the miracle angle less than a week ago? Suddenly, you have received revelation that the miracle angle explains it and is the sincere thing to do. Ranch, shey you dey see your boy? Take care of him well before something else oh.

Here again are some facts you should take cognisance of next time before going on an ignorant rant like these you did on this thread.
1. Remember this post and selah until you see light.

2. None of your ridiculous calculation is needed to understand the bible.

3. Paperbag/nylon covers material fine no matter the weight. It's the reason why we say "tear rubber", duh.

4. There are at least four science inclined thoughts that support possibility of such magnitude of flooding. You will do well to update your poor knowledge of things.(a) The Ice Age. (b) Precipitation and formation of most rocks. (c). The presence of fauna and flora fossils buried in rocks. (d). Formation of many Igneous rocks.

5. Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
Gen 6:15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.


Whatever measure they used to calculate cubit, which obviously is different from what we may use today, fifteen cubits was higher than the mountains, and the height of the ark was thirty cubits. So it was a very very very big ark.

6. Penguins are aquatic animals. They can survive well in water, they did not need to be in the ark.

7. Noah was NEVER asked to single handedly build the ark. No Bible portion states or implies or alludes to this preposterous and poor thinking process.

i've said the seven points previously and much more. Ruminate on these and don't misbehave again.

Ranchhoddas:
Where are the objective morality crooners?...CC. Kingebukasblog, Image123, Winner01 etc.

What do you need?

Ranchhoddas:
Which born again stories? 8 to 7 billion in exactly how many years. How many years did it take for the Jewish family to propagate the diverse races that we see today.

What Jewish family?

HardMirror:
Please I want to know why Christians come to church and give testimonies about the misfortunes of other people and use it to thank God for their own lives.

E.g you were in a vehicle and several people died and you were part of the few that survived. Then you go to church and praise God for sparing you while others died.

What is the point?

I told a christian sister that I am bothered that Millions don't have food to eat around the world and she said it is really none of my business that I should just thank God for my own life and having food to eat.

I am trying to make sense of this Christian practice.

Cc Lalasticlala, seun

Well, the Bible does not teach us so, the Bible enjoins christians to pray for others and love others even their enemies. There is nothing wrong in thanking God for your life. Most people i know are very quick and forward to state that they are not using their testimony to mock or gloat over others.

Lam 3:22 It is of the LORD's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.
Lam 3:23 They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness.

Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

If you follow the Bible more than following men, you should have less problems, looking unto Jesus the Author and End of our faith.

Gombs:
Standing ovation.


Wonderful piece!

I'm thinking, what kind of father will disown his child because he stole sweets, and then reclaim him after the child has apologized, and keeps doing so, for how long?

Knowing fully well that the Bible said foolishness abounds in the heart of a child.

The Corinthians and galatians were never said to have lost their salvation despite their shortfalls, for the ONLY WAY one can loose their salvation is the same way he got it - with his confession of mouth, denouncing the lordship of Christ.

Some folks here are sounding like God's waiting to catch us do wrong, then he'd keep record of it, waiting for pay back time.

Brethren, God has settled the issue of sin in Jesus, since... And He has no issue with fixing it. Why He doesn't want us to sin is because we'd expose ourselves to the working of devils. He so loves us and wouldn't want the devil to have party time with us (kill, steal and destroy) , but we regardless sometimes fall off. That never means he revokes our SONSHIP, meaning we'd loose our very righteous nature given us by Jesus, pending when we ask for forgiveness. That doesn't make sense at all.

The issue of sin is between the one who commits the sin, his conscience and the devil. God isn't bothered about sin, His laws and justice will however not be compromised.

Thinking hardly helps progress in spiritual matters. thinking makes many an atheist. When your understanding of God is based MORE on thinking, you will not get it. fact.

Ranchhoddas:
Exactly. Image123 is trying to get the best of both. It's either a miracle or not.

They are not mutually exclusive. God is the Creator of all things. He did it all, from rainfall to sunshine, to sunrise, to childbirth. They are all the works of His hands. Do you want me to quote Bible for you, or you will do the quotings?

Ranchhoddas:
How can you be a christian and accept evolution in any form? I thought God created all things in six days.

You thought? Well, your thought is wrong, no portion of the Bible says that. Also, the Bible does not say that christians should not accept evolution, did it? The miracle of evolution is itself what brought out the over 7billion humans we have today from a family of 8. What are you talking about again? You are ignoring your born again stories, na that one important pass oh. Were you ever born again?

ValentineMary:
Or better still, prove to me that the earth is not 6,000 years using the bible.

There simply is no such place or verse in the Bible, i have already stated that. There is nothing to prove in a false accusation. You made the false accusation, the onus is on you to prove the accusation true. The Bible says no such thing, you and others simply imagined it. Here is the text you gave again, it says nothing about any 6,000years or about the earth's age being related to man's age. Eat the humble pie, and come off your old/archaic assumptions and empty presumptions.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

ValentineMary:
Read what I wrote about genealogy again. I am honestly beginning to doubt u actually have a brain.

What you or anyone else wrote about geneology has NOTHING to do with the age of the earth. The Bible no where ties the age of the earth to man's geneology. Read the Bible instead of hopelessly believing your copy and paste research. You have a Bible, don't you?

Lilbrown007:
Because Some People Said So?? Was That The First Point I Made?? U Were Quick To Pick The One That Suite U And Ask Me A Question Base On That?? Like I Said If U Don't Know How To Read Go And Learn


They Is No Historical Evidence Of Jesus Existing But Of Paul We Have A Historical Evidence!!

i heard/read your silly self the first time, no need repeating rubbish. You have no historical evidence for Jesus but you have/found one for Yeshua. yawnnnnnnnnns.

Lilbrown007:
Oh U Don't Agree With The Gospel Of Mary Magdalene Because It Wasn't Included In The Gospel Now I Know Y Christians Cherry Pick

stop embarrassing yourself. Nobody mentioned any gospel. Are you hallucinating?

ValentineMary:
After breaking it down to u how the bible indirectly said it, u sound don't get. You have a brain use it.

Oh, so it INDIRECTLY siad it? You are waking up, i pray you will wake up. The Bible said no such thing, neither did it imply so. i stand by that and that was my initial position before you went literally hippo on me due to your misinformed research.

Ranchhoddas:
I see. So you are one of those people that have modified the bible to adapt to modern scientific realities. I'll take it as progress. You'll get there. Slowly but surely.

You've got to be kidding me. The Bible nowhere talks against evolution in the context i described it. i have always believed in evolution in such a context, no adaptations though not wrong if anyone adapts to the truth. It's unfortunate you misunderstood and misunderstand the Bible.

promise10:
I hope that what you meant by the word "..being saved...and will be saved" is not that we are not saved once and for all?

@Image123, we were saved once at the cross for the reason of christ's sacrifice, which took place ONCE and for ALL.

What is the meaning of "once and for all"? Where does this appear in the Bible, is it just a nice sounding phrase or cliche? Were the Israelites saved once and for all from Egypt? Did they perish in the wilderness?

And our STEADFAST FAITH in what gave us our first salvation, is what KEEPS US SAVED! So, when you say "being saved", that should mean BEING KEPT saved which ONLY happens through FAITH ALONE.

Very true, and the Bible warns us to continue in that faith because it is POSSIBLE to discontinue.
Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Now, what "..WILL be saved" should mean is that WE WERE saved, WE ARE BEING KEPT saved, so that shall NOT PARTAKE(shall) OF the judgment of hell fire AT THE JUDGEMENT DAY.

And that "..WILL BE saved" is NOT what happens in our life time but what happens on the JUDGEMENT DAY.

Rom 5:9;"9 Much more then, BEING NOW SAVED(justified) by his blood, we shall be SHALL BE SAVED from WRATH through him."

The wrath of God in that context is NOT what happens today, but the wrath of God is on the judgement day that's why we SHALL BE saved from it BECAUSE WE ARE SAVED NOW BY HIS BLOOD.

Today, the wrath of God is NOT now, but shall come on the judgement day. So, if today is not the day of wrath, what is today? 2cor 6:2 answers that!

2cor 6:2;"2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the DAY OF SALVATION have I succoured thee: behold, NOW is the accepted time; BEHOLD, NOW IS THE DAY OF SALVATION.).

Today is not the day of wrath, but the DAY OF SALVATION. God cannot be saving and destroying at the same time. No way!

i believe we are in perfect agreement concerning this, and that is what i referred Jo to, and said that he probably teaches.

petra1:
Not so. I teach one salvation . But there is process . For spirit soul and body




That is for the total man . The spirit of man get recreated at receiving christ . The soul or mind is continuously saved by renewal of the word of God . This result in the perfection of the outward man also .

Okay, you teach it for the total man, whatever that means. What were we discussing again, the partial man?

SirWere:
Oh really

Very true, or do you have reasons to think contrary?

ValentineMary:
I agree with Hardmirror. U aint too bright. Read what u wrote again and if u think u made a point, then u don't deserve a brain.

The Bible no where gives or implies the age of the earth. This is where you should have stopped your post.



Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Which of the verses above talks about the age of the earth or its birth certificate?



You are the wrong one. The Bible says nothing about the age of the earth. Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
That beginning is not the beginning of Adam(the human race) described in the rest of the chapter. Any real scholar knows this, smh for your copy and paste. SELAH

HardMirror:
This is the best answer I have gotten so far. I kept laughing at the christians trying to twist science anmd bible into agreeing with the flood myth.
Thanks for being your humble self jare.

Thank goodness, in other words, you believe that God did it miraculously? Saves you from all that wrong math.

Ranchhoddas:
Just so we are on the same page please give me your own definition of speciation because mine happens to involve ''once an ape or something along that line''.

Speciation is the evolutionary formation of new biological species. Context, remember someone mis-said "There were more animals and plants 5000years ago than now. Millions of animals and plants are already extinct." He ignored the evolutionary formation of new biological species for those 5000 years. You do accept that you were never born again, right?

Lilbrown007:
Stop Trying To Play On My Inteligence Bro If U Cant Read Then Go And Learn How To Read

Not playing on your intelligence, just testing it so that you are sure of what you are saying. Evidently, you believe that Paul existed because some people said so, yes or no?

Lilbrown007:
YEAH And My Research Also State That The Account Of Him In The Gospel Are Also Wrong Some Other Place I Read He Married Mary Magdalene

Your copy and paste research is terrible, get proper education and stop embarrassing yourself.

KenOne:
Lere Olayinka is the most dumb and illiterate spokesman or aid I have ever seen,before you come out in public to disgrace yourself and Fayose so that wailers and IPOB tout will hail you consult your dictionary if you don't know what middle school means. Ok Lere here is the meaning of Middle school (A middle school is a school for students older than elementary school but not yet in high school or secondary school as the case maybe) This Lere Olayinka of a guy likes goofing same wrong calculation he made about when PMB married Aisha and the wailers without cross checking started praising him and abusing PMB not knowing that Lere's elementary school is questionable for not getting simple arithmetics of subtract,multiply and addition of primary school. May my enemies keep making these kind of Lere's mistake in Jesus name.

Lere is a drop out, Aluko said it to his face on Channelstv the other day.

No iota of safety or quality standards in these state's so called projects. When people die or lose limbs needlessly, they start to blame one tree or water or god that needed to be appeased. mtschewwwwwweeeeeeewwwwww.

Gombs:
You can take as much time as you'd like... Whenever you are ready, kindly explain how BOTH forgiveness of sins and remission of sin ushered us into salvation.


Or better still, What's the difference between forgiveness of sins and remission of sins. Thanks

Thank you. Here was the scripture i mentioned.
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Not hoping to be too technical or long BTW, remission of sins is the payment for sins, done by Jesus Christ. Jesus has remitted or paid for the sins of the whole world on Calvary more than 2000years ago. However, that alone does not bring salvation, else every sinner would be saved already since their sins have been paid for on the Cross. It is repentance that brings in forgiveness of sins. Once you repent, you are forgiven your sins. So, Jesus does/did the remitting, the individual does the repenting and is forgiven. It is these that lead to salvation.

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Savior, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Repentance by man, and remission already done by Jesus both play significant part in salvation.

petra1:
Thank you for your response. I will appreciate if you can throw light on this issue.

Is salvation a one time experince ? Or does a Christian lose salvation each time he sins, and has to get saved again.

We are saved in different times and contexts, i am sure you know that and teach it. We have been saved, we are being saved and we will be saved. If you have any issues with that, inform me. Salvation is simply deliverance, semantics really though people like to get technical with greek and other such definitions explaining atonement, propitiation, remission, justification, salvation, regeneration and other such process that accompany being born again. The jollyride doesn't interest me, i like to keep things simple. If someone falls into a well, another time, he needs to be saved again. He is not saved in the well.

Lilbrown007:
Don't Misquote Me Ok

You are not blind, are you? Check what i quoted, i did not misquote you. Your camaraderie should not make you literally blind, should it?

donnffd:
When you see a certain atheist bash a certain religion constantly, its not because that religion is the so-called right one or special one, its just because that was the religion he was deluded with and obviously knows much if not all about it.

Most atheist here break out from Christianity, its only logical they wud attack christianity(fyi, not christians). If you found an atheist in iraq, i bet you he would attack islam 98% of the time.

Please, stop deluding yourself that your faith is any special

Speak for yourself maybe. Most atheists here were NEVER christians in the first place. The uniqueness of the Christian faith continues to haunt unbelievers till eternity, stay there and be licking boils.