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Gombs:
LOL.... Hahahahahahah, if I list my pastors ehn? In Christ Embassy, our pastors plenty, and yes... Joagbaje is one, Pastor Joy Amenkhinan, Pastor Mary Owase, Pastor Vale Odu-Thomas etc

My point lol, he's your church's pastor and you play some level of allegiance.

Christians are not sinners.. Even if they sin... Sinners have the nature of sin.

You're born again, If you lie now, how does that make you a sinner, seeing that you've received remission for your sins? If you want to debate this, open a thread and invite me.

Like he said, If you want any clarification concerning anything, why not simply ask Joagbaje what he thinks about a particular topic and why?

i expect you to have the same position. i am not here to ask questions or debate the position, i only explained to HardMirror that this is your position, or rather Jo's position. This is why he will have problems believing HardMirror's story even if the Spirit tell him to. We all know that HardMirror is a sinner, but you believe that a christian is not a sinner etc, so it is irreconcilable. This is the simple thing i said oh that you guys came here trying to defend yourselves. i do not need any clarification, your position of a christian cannot be sinners even if they sin is a variant of the eternal security doctrine. this is why i said you/Jo believe in eternal security ESSENTIALLY. That is the summary of the position. If you feel led to make further clarifications, no wahala.

Joagbaje:
Go back and read the thread we debated couple of years ago . "Once saved always saved". you've not ceased in your preconception. You've been on this campaign . You've asked me over and over and I've explained my belief but you just want jo to fit the name you created for him.
You're sinning if you don't know . Shey you claim a christian who sin is a sinner. Then you are a sinner. Because you commit a lot of sin on this forum while pointing fingers at others.

What's the link to the thread BTW? Just to satisfy you though. i know you very well and what you basically stand for, all those technical jargon is not my interest. The point has been made, and you have failed to answer the question posed on this thread. Here it is again, simply put.
Can a Christian sin? If he does, is he a sinner? No need beating about the bush. Your answer here essentially makes you a believer in eternal security, proving my point. HardMirror's situation does not agree with or explain your arguement/doctrine. Kindly remind me where i have asked you OVER AND OVER. What is my sin oh? Are you accusing the brethren,lol?

soulpeppersoup:
Bros I think you don't know what restitution is. Foolishness is not honorable even to God.

Restitution is returning what does not belong to you. Non christians are doing it, i see no reason why a professing christian like FFK shouldn't do it.

urahara:
O my gosh , jehovah jireh yahweh , dont u know how to make proper soup . YAHWEH must i teach you everything , you are 16 years and yet u are a good for nothing . i have tried so much for you . i spons d your waec exams and u failed miserably . u are just like my stupid gateman allah.

You sound tired of life, and you're not making much sense too. Jesus loves you though, don't go that way.

urahara:
Funny coincidence. I just told my house boy yahweh that statement this morning.

House helps can be problematic right .... Especially a. Hebrew speaking one

Normally, I'd ignore but you appear very young and misguided. Hope you're through with olevels? Don't spoil your life so young. Grow up.

urahara:
Alaye , park well jare , if not i will call yahweh my houseboy to mess you up

Oh I see you're a misguided youth. May you grow up.

Joagbaje:
Brother it's God that will judge this your bile against jo. I don't believe in eternal security .why not simply search joagbaje +eternal security to end these assumptions. If you can't find it,hold thy peace . Enough of your advocate for me. If you want to know anything ,simply ask .

Tor, i already asked in proxy. You quoted it, read it and deleted it. Be straightforward and not picking and choosing my post, at least it was not directly to you, if that's the line of your reason for dodging. i have no bile against you. Answer the question you dodged.

soulpeppersoup:
Where will you get the money since you built the said house you were given the money to build. It seems you don't reason in real time. You deal in theoretical issues.

By the grace of God, i'm not a poor man and neither is ffk. I'll get the money and restitute it, that's the honorable thing to do.

urahara:
Because christianity art a dumb religion

Respect yourself.

soulpeppersoup:
We are talking money. If they give you money to build a house for them and its discovered the money was stolen from the government after building the house, what will you do?

I'd return the money, others are said to be returning the money.

soulpeppersoup:
This guy has maintained he was given money to do a job. But what I see is frustration of a poor masses. Some are even saying the judiciary is corrupt. Where is the hope of the oppressed now?

So if they give me your land or house without telling me, and you and proper authority later inform me. What should i do?

Gombs:
let me help you post whats on that link...you're being dishonest now o



have a great day bro!



lol...Image123 is my buddy, maybe he's just not in the 'spirit'

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Jo is a well known person to me on this forum na. i understand he's your pastor and the allegiance etc. I know him by both his actions and not just words, he believes and teaches eternal security, maybe not the variant you're thinking. But if you insist, you can ask Jo a simple question that need simple answer. Ask him can a Christian sin? If he does, is he a sinner?

Gombs:
Well, nairaland archives disagrees with you.
https://www.nairaland.com/2935665/did-joseph-prince-really-say/1#42974993




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You actually referred me to where Jo said the world cannot sin etc? I'll pass, thanks for your help. i know Jo for many years now, i know what he believes in that line, i don't need to dig him up. It's needless.

Joagbaje:
You're not helping jo , rather you're feeding your religious belly .



You are just a religious bigot ,still indulge in this childish "MY CHURCH IS BETTER THAN YOURS" . Try to win approval by prejudice . Beside you're wrong on what I believe . You don't speak for me . If you want to know what I believe ,simply ask. And repent of this carnality of yours . God bless you

You should have said nothing, it's better than ending up saying nothing. Use your discretion.

urahara:
Life has no purpose. U give ur self purpose.

Go and die already na. Is there any purpose for your life? You know the answer. Why complain about genocide or murder sef.

HardMirror:
Take a moment and think deeply.

You believe EVERY human being is going to perish FOREVER, being punished in a Furnace called hell. No escape, no mercy.

YET

Just a small confession to Jesus and just saying you accept this Jesus as your Lord will guarantee eternal bliss.

It doesn't gurantee eternal bliss, if it did you would be guaranteed eternal bliss. i thought that was plain logic?

Now the big question is WHY ARE CRISTIANS BUSY DOING EVERYTHING ELSE BUT NOT PREACHING?

Blimey, i do ask the same question too. But i never got so foolish to disbelieving God.

If I believe in Hell, I will not buy anything I don't need to just stay alive and make heaven.

All I will have are 2 sets of cloths and bathroom slippers. A mud hut will do. I don't need cars at all. I don't need to save money.

But look around you what are christians doing? And yet they believe hell is real.

This is a poor understanding of things. Many churches and christians have done this in the past, we should learn from the mistakes of others instead of copying it. i think even Deeper Life and Scripture Union brethren still did this kind of stuff in the 70s, 80s. Jesus is coming soon, so don't own property or marry or go to school etc. It is a zeal without knowledge, the Bible does not COMMAND this. Jesus knew hell is real, He created it long before coming to earth. Yet He spent about 30years doing virtually nothing but leaarning capentry etc. He even told His disciples not to preach to non-Israelites at a point. Are you more catholic than the pope?

How many of them evangelize everyday. I am not talking of once a week.

How many of them have 5 converts they pray for everyday?

How many of them feed the poor?


How many of them visit the hospitals?

i'm totaly with you on this. This is how and more of what the christian life should be. May God help us.

Of what use is a Range rover to a christian. Wait that is even too much. Of what use is a car to christian. Why not give that money to missionary work?
In the Book of Acts of apostles, people were selling EVERYTHING they had and giving the proceeds up for God's work.

Yes some did out of zeal, but they were never told to. They ended up in famine and poverty, and the churches outside Jerusalem had to send them relief(like IDP camp) and remember the poor saints. Not every pious deed is required or commanded by God. If God specifically tells YOU to do it, fine. But don't tell others to go doing it. This is how people form cults copying their pastors and leaders, up to their style of walking and talking.

What do christians spend their time doing today?

They are gathering worldly things and yet these same people will come online to talk about hell and heaven being real.

They would rather give a car to their pastor who already has 30 cars claiming to be sowing to the ministry. Than selling the car and distributing to those who have not had food to eat.


Now tell me again why these set of people should be taken seriously when they talk about hell or christian love.

What christian love? What sacrifices are they making?

As far as I am concerned. They remain the most heartless religion not Islam, not Hindus, not Shintos, Not scientologists no, Christians take the crown for heartlessness.

i'm absolutely with you on this too. Jesus prophecied the love of many waxing cold, and people having itching ears to be deceived. My prayer is not to fulfill evil prophecy like them and obviously you HardMirror have done.

Because they are heartless but they want to be praised as most compassionate.

The little good the force themselves to do is all in hope for a reward from their god and not out of love.


If it was out of love we would be seeing christians selling things they don't need EVERYDAY just to help those in need.

We're together again, hehehehehehehehe. i did not ask you top be singing the chorus.

HardMirror:
Yeah, I have regrets.

I have lost very good friends. Friends that are closer than brothers.

I have a friend in India who is a missionary (I should have been a missionary too). He sent a message to me sometime ago pained that I had forsaken the church, the brethren and the vision.

I have gifts I can't use anymore. The potential of what I could have achieved with my gifts was unimaginable.

I miss winning souls and nurturing converts. I miss all my converts. So fond of them and how they love me too. I don't want any of them to become atheists as christianity gives hope albeit false but hope is a thing of the mind, it does not have to be real.

I miss being able to pray for people so as to strengthen them

I miss singing heavenly songs that makes you believe and look forward to a better world God had promised mankind.


There is a lot to miss.


But I remain an atheist and would die an atheist. I wish I was never a christian. Cos my whole life had been built to please an heavenly father and fellowship and impact this God to people. But reality is what it is, it's either I pretend all these are true; the bible, god, jesus, holy spirit etc or I be honest with my discoveries.

I will keep promoting common sense above spiritual sensationalism.

Person never enter hell, e don start to dey regret. Na wa oh. Atheism is not common sense anyway, it never was. i feel your pain though, you tasted what was beyond you.

HardMirror:
There is a simple way of verifying what people say. The holy spirit. Or u don't have the holy spirit?
Stop guess, let the holy spirit witness to u.

So unfortunate you can't see how ordinary you are. If not you won't be here trying to guess if a story is false or not. Guess wrong and expose how fake and empty u are

Lemme help mr Jo here, forgive his skepticism. It's something to do with his understanding/doctrine. Jo is a fellow who believes in eternal security essentially. He believes a christian cannot sin, he's being taught and has taught people that whatever they do, they are children of God and the righteousness of God etc. i'm sure you know his church and more. So the reality of things does not agree with his doctrinal understanding. This are some of the advantages of having correct doctrine. While correct doctrine on tithe, heaven, rapture, trinity etc doesn't exactly save, it has it's uses and helps understanding. Jo is used to people fornicating or lying and having guilty conscience, then he tells them no no no. You are born of God, God sees Jesus not you etc, and the person feels okay and good. But in your case, he sees someone blaspheming and sort of digging deeper into sin as it were, and it doesn't conform with his understanding. So even if the Spirit is telling him something else, his long years and doctrinal teachings are telling him differently. Your case though is very pathetic, it is what some refer to as apostasy. In your case, you have no Holy Spirit to convict you of sin. You've somehow grieved Him. It is the Holy Spirit and our spirit(conscience) that convinces us to accept Jesus and repent. You are left with only your conscience, hence very very very slim chance for you i must say.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.


cc: Joagbaje, Olaadegbu, AnalyticalEngine

HardMirror:
THE UGLY REALITY!


Mr. Frank's business keeps suffering massive loses and he may be forced to close the business has bankruptcy seems to be inevitable.
Mr. Frank is a faithful catholic so it's only second nature for him to make his plights known to his Patron saints and supplication to the heavens in hope for divine mercy and a positive turn around from his misfortunes.

Good for Mr Frank, in the multitude of counsellors, there is safety. He however is not stopped by God from getting the appropriate counsel for his business.

After many years and nothing seemed to be changing, Mr. Frank was well on his way into severe clinical depression. Why was God not answering him? "Oh Lord forgive me my sins! Whatever I have done to deserve this, Please forgive Lord. Holy Mother of God, Pray for me, Holy mother of God pray for me, Holy mother of God pray for me! If not for my sake, please for the sake of the my children. I can't feed them well any more! I can't pay their school fees! Father have mercy on me!" These were his daily cries to heaven.

Lol, mr Frank needs to understand that even though God feeds the birds, they do not sit in their nests waiting and praying. They go out to work, they are diligent, and he is commanded by God to do what his hands find to do with his might. Wailing to God without taking the needed practical steps is not commanded or recommended by God. If something is wrong with your business or car, FIX it, not lay hands on it only, or pour oil. That is not what is done in the Bible. These rubbish only happen to people who only follow men, not the Bible or Jesus.
Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.

Mr. Olawale, a close friend to Franklin seemed to be going through the same plight, he was not doing well himself, in fact he had been to Mr. Franklin to borrow money several times, but there was something curious about Olawale that Franklin could not really put his fingers on.
Olawale seemed to be so sure about the cause of his problems and he always claims he is effectively dealing with them.
He seemed to be on top of his game.

Just yesterday he confided in Frank on how he successfully killed a cat in his compound. He was so happy and excited as if he just won a lottery.

"So what is so good about killing an harmless cat?" Franklin asked, making Olawale look at him as if an alien just appeared from space.

"What is special about killing a cat? Seems you catholics don't know the reality of spiritual warfare." He grins bitterly while shaking his head expressing the pity he had for Frank's ignorance.
"Cats, wall geckos, lizards, snakes, black birds and many of the likes are animals witches use in monitoring lives and placing yokes on christian homes" he hisses "stay there and be forming ajebota. We are Africans, better don't let them waste you like chicken!"

This and many other admonishment from Olawale and other friends made Franklin begin to think and see sense in all he was told of the possibility of his problems being a spiritual one.

He made up his mind to see the prophet in Olawale's church.

This again has no biblical basis whatsoever. The noble christians confirmed the words and actions of apostles from the Scriptures. Today, lazy people(chriSTAINS) do all pastor and mog says without checking the Bible for themselves. Whose fault, theirs. Bible is very cheap and free and in many languages, Gideons used to share it free sef.
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the Scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

There he was told his mother was behind his predicament.



This is the reality otf the society we live in. One in which Demons, Witches are all too real to us.

Where old women in the village are witches. Where sons fight their innocent mothers because they suspect or where or were told she is a witch.

The real damage believe in demons and witchcraft is causing is destruction of relationships.

People being paranoid and suspecting everyone they don't like as enemies.

In the office,
Husbands accusing wives,

Parents calling their innocent children ogbanje, witch, aje, emere.

Innocent people being killed because they look wretched so they must be witches.


Killing animals we think are demonic.

Pastors slapping innocent girls in the name of casting out witchcraft. And many more worse abuse such as setting innocent children on fire to cast out the demons.

Spending hours praying everyday against imaginary enemies.

Suffering self induced nightmares that are product of your paranoia. Where masquerades are pursuing you.



What is your experience?

There are witches, there are wizards and there are demons, though their stories and powers are blown out of proportion because of the love of money. Jesus died to set us free from such fears and superstitions and abuses. People make money and take advantage of issues just like the past fuel crises, or even wars and riots and demonstrations, some take advantage of it politically, some use it to revenge, loot, rape, pillage, etc. Same way people take advantage of the ignorance of the gullible. This is not restricted to religion, people perish for lack of knowledge. It's unfortunate.

HardMirror:
According to instinct of all living things, the struggle and mission of all living things is

1. TO STAY ALIVE FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE

2. TO REPRODUCE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE

Even the Genesis account of creation makes reproduction God's primary assignment to all living things, saying "Be fruitful and multiply"

So the question is why are all living things struggling to stay alive? Why are we all trying to spread our genes and dominate?

What is the purpose to life?

If we could live for one million years, what do we achieve?
Death seems more reasonable than life, yet we all want to stay alive.

Does life have any purpose?

Life has no purpose without God, duh. That is why it is foolish for anyone to think there is no God, that's like basic sense. When you disbelief God, you look for purpose eternally. The purpose of life is to please God. Or as someone said,
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

BTW, not all living things are trying to dominate, that is a most ignorant statement having no backing whatsover. Who and what is a cow trying to dominate, or a sheep or a butterfly?

tiwiex:
I don't think Buhari has any economic plan. The drop in naira was expected with the capital control. it was a futile effort. It didn't require an experiment to do what CBN just did. The demand and available supply already spelt the situation. So why delay the evil day and suffer while at it? Like I said, Buhari will deliver not because he knows what to do but because reality eventually leaves him with no choice. We didn't need to get to this point on FX and definitely not with the Niger Delta. CBN made the announcement 3 weeks ago but just released the modalities today. They were clearly not ready and just started work on it. Please help Nigerians beg him to slow down on his ego for the sake of the country. Let the advisers take charge. That is why they were appointed. Good move at last but Buharinomics just means trial and error without a need for the trial due to available expert advise.

There's nothing so good or great about the move. It's devaluation of the naira in other words. He tried as much as possible to avoid devaluing the naira. There is no gain there. It is like a patient or doctor doing all things possible to avoid an amputation or a tough surgery. It's a last option thing for him.

hehehehehehehe, vooks don use this one nose blow trumpet national anthem. Take it easy man, Jesus is Lord.

Why make peace with God, I thought they said God doesn't have time to judge flimsy stuff like homosexuality? Where's Grace. This one beg to die, E no die. Na wa oh, this life.

NEHLIVE:
Hmm.. Seen on the front page of Newspaper... So they collected DNA samples from the neighbours? Sad if it really happened...

http://www.newseveryhour.com/2016/06/seen-on-front-page-of-newspaperbusiness.html

Jesuuuuu mi ooooooooooo. Even so come quickly.

Kondomatic:
I hate rapists and pedophiles.

Why? Respect them, they have family that love them. If you look at nature, you will see them plenty. Cock and hen,cockroach, lizard, is all over in natural thing. hehehehehehehe, never has an argument been more misplaced.

It seems saharareporters live inside Saraki's room. They seem to know when he goes to poo.

afroditte:
I remember you staunchly defending buharinomics last year.... so this is all you have to say now?

Sure, I stand by whatever i said. All was done in the best interest of the country and to plug and block the leakages of a seriously bleeding country. When there's trouble, you TROUBLEshoot until you arrive at a good place. The new plan is not the destination by the way, it is a when all else fails policy IMHO. It is not a magic wand that sweeps away all our economic woes. Buharinomics is still very much on point compared to what obtained previously. That one where FG borrowed and looted with impunity, where the coordinate minister confessed to high blood pressure and incessant headache. I'll choose Buharinomics a thousand times. The man is not as rigid or bigoted as painted, this picture is clearer by the day.

This one na coup d'etat oh. All Buhari gragra, na travel dem dey take settle am. Baba, old age abi wetin? Anyway, a paralyzed Buhari is better than thieving Jonathan.

successsurvivor:
You are very stupid for saying you hate gays, hate the sin not the sinner. For the Bible says he without sin cast the first stone. Are you sinless you bloody sinner and fornicator. Unknown to you, you have gays amongst your family members and relatives. Remove the plank in your eyes before judging others. Thank you Facebook for blocking this idiots account. Yes!!! Una do well.

You're doing the same and more of what you condemn. Bible did not send you this one oh.

Damsonkc:
You are misunderstanding the use of the word consent here. Does a corrupt politician have the consent of the people to steal and loot public funds and impoverish them in the long run? The deal is between the politician and the people not him and his cohorts. Saying the actions of a gay person will make those close to them distraught is subjective. Did you read the messages exchanged between one of the murdered boys at the Orlando shooting and his mother? Did she sound distraught over his chosen lifestyle? She knew the club was a gay club and she knew her son was gay. I laughed at my gay friend sometime ago and we teased him about being a gay. He nearly took his life. That was my epiphany. That was the day I realized I was a horrible person and didn't deserve to be alive. This guy was more generous than I could ever be. He was one of the very best humans I have ever met. But we pushed him so close to taking his own life! I just hope we all think deep about this and imagine if they are our sons and brothers. Have a great day, my friend.

No, i do not misunderstand the word 'consent', you may argue that i didn't use it in the context that you want. That's understandable. The point i drove was that consent or privacy doesn't necessarily mean everything is okay and right. Being gay is abnormal, sick and foolish. Of course, your family and friends care for your life and safety. Even criminals and murderers have family who cry and do not want them sentenced, this is normal. It is different from the trauma and pain and suffering gay people put their families and especially parents through in their decisions. They put the whole family through shame, ridicule and perceived failure at parenting. There are many good and courteous people who are sick,poor, have cancer, etc. It doesn't make their sickness or gayism to be right. You're joining the two issues to draw emotions. There are many criminals who have great qualities, love children, brilliant, genius, respectful to the aged, do charity etc. Separate these from what is bad that they are/do.

Damsonkc:
A child is not old enough to decide on what matters in his life. Rapists do not ask for your consent. Politicians do not ask for your consent to loot public funds. What is wrong in two consenting adults falling in love?

Thanks for not getting mad. i mentioned the rapist since you implied that stuff is not our business if it's private or in the bedroom, don't bring up such line of reasoning again.
People consenting to do stuff doesn't make it right. A cheating partner, corrupt constituent representatives and members from different fields and parties often consent to all sorts of evil and criminality. Their actions affect others. Gay fellows actions make their families and friends distraught, disappointed, perplexed, emotionally destabilized. It is our business too.

Bubu moving on. if the ear will not cooperate, the hand will.